Ten cities but 2 of them was at 11 and 12, I was probably gonna make maybe 2 or 3 more as there was quite a few islands with whales and dye dotted about was building libraries and temples in every city didn't spend anything rushing though just made sure everywhere that was easily accessible by you was defended up first.
I was expecting that.... I had barracks and 4 AA's in Madrid ready for it along with the walls and the galleon moored up next too it I think taking it would of been a bit of a problem for you, I know how aggressive you are and placed defences appropriately, I didn't stop at just one AA.. Oh no that would of been foolish.Originally Posted by Ravenmisca
after finding whale so soon my game plan was always expansion and defence that's why I only made one warrior, as soon as the galleon was built Madrid was solely building archers for a while I had an archer army in there before I got SoG.
4 AA..? pff
Anyway just to make clear, i knew when you were expanding from Madrid and when you were building def, i would have hit you before the sec AA for sure. Remember that warrior next to your cap? It was there the whole game lol....
I know I liked him being there he was keeping me company we had a nice little chat about your strategy I wanted to kill him but he told me leaving him there would make you feel like you still had some control over the game :-P
You don't agree with the "massive inferiorness of russia to Spain",Raven? LoL. Well everyone's entitled to their own opinion. But based on my experiences assuming equal or at least near equal skill level spanish player would win at least 70% of time. Usually without much trouble.
Why would you even bother to play this tourney then? Cause your bound to be outcivved half the time. Besides it wasnt the point i was trying to make, imo i had the better pre start, i had a better settling spot map wise, and i would not be overreacting that without 7cities whats he gonna do? He wouldnt even get his 100g in the first place. No AA's everywhere he pleases. Ofcourse Spain is a better civ then Russia but they are certainly not chanceless.
1st game versus aledeus. My french beat his zulu. I settle on third turn close to 2 barbs after getting friendly on second turn. push out two warriors one gives me 50 gold second gives me spy. i have to rush a warrior inbetween getting huts because i meet the dreaded zulu. my luck its a single warrior. by now i have hbr and i kill the warrior with single horse. couldnt quite get 100 gold but met usa and arab ai. take out arab with horsearmy but zulu is waiting on the other side with horse army of their own. I get fundi though so ill take fundi for 60 hammers anyday. he brings ha my way and i kill it with single warrior on hill. I see soc and camp it till after i get first gp. first gp is industrialist and soc gives me two humanitarians. I beeline to code of laws and start to spread. He doesn't really bother me but just in case have some legion armies rdy. Long story short I get monarchy, invention, currency, banking and industrialization first and he shortly quits soon after his 2 horse armies die attacking usa. was over anyway. gg aledeus.
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I think what raven is saying is that ray didn't win because he had a superior civ... Raven just got unlucky with the barbs... If he gets a nice amount of gold from barbs he has two horse armies on that hill at madrid in no time.
Ye, i expected them to give me some foothold in the area and instead i got 2 maps, 2 techs,1 warrior upgrade, 40g late and a horse late.
I think I would of got 100g cause I would of explored a bit more I had 70g from barb and a name tile I just didn't explore/attack barbs and AI's cause I didn't need to, it was a tactical decision to get defended rather than go on all out war, that's not my thing i'm a defensive player.
Why would i bother with this tourney? Ummm, maybe because it's fun? It's not about winning all the time. In fact, i've started using non semi-power civs in ranked a lot more often cause i enjoy challenge more. My rank has suffered as a result as i expected but i don't care as much about rank nowadays. Another positive side-effect of these tourneys. I really don't expect to win this thing. I just enjoy playing. I know you're bound to get an inferior matchup a lot but sometimes it's fun playing the underdog.
Not Russia vs. Spain, though. That's not just being "outcivved" as u say that's a terrible lopsided matchup usually. Of course, you always have a chance but u either need some serious luck or bad play by spanish player to have a decent shot. Or start very close with lots of gold.
1st game vs ray tupper. My russians beat his aztecs. write up later
My Romans beats Ray's Egypt (stonehenge) in game 2. I took out usa in 3500. Built several warriors to get gold/scout area then starting pumping out those sweet ancient era settlers after got 100 gold and rushed galley. I knew where AoC and AW were and wanted to expand to islands as well. Ray got hbr early so i made sure i had adequate defenses/counters in place. I didn't bother with hbr but got it from a barb. Ray finally got a late cap (Arabs) but no tech. I expanded to about 11 cities then grabbed AoC after getting AW for pyramids. Within a few turns i shot passed Ray in culture. I stay in republic for a while expanding to few more cities and build ancient era barracks then legions. First gp is a GH. Nice since i had close to dozen cities. I am first to literacy and currency. I have market with gold resource and fish. I switch to fundy and go hunting w/ legions, archers for some gold borders. I pop SoC for a GB and GA and tech to Nav. Locate a 4 pop egypt city next to an undefended hill...(continued) ...
...take hill w/vet LA and archer w/ another LA right behind. See ray's HA return to defend city. Next turn he kills archer. I attack and kill 1 of his in city. Not sure why his HA wasn't defender but didn't matter. Next turn he attacks my LA and loses 6-6 and i take city getting math. Perfect timing since i was jumping over it to nav. Was getting it next turn as a result but Ray conceded. GG ray. You probably shouldn't have left me alone thereby allowing me to just spam cities at my leisure.
No excuses I just played rubbish from go, I really struggled that game.
got in two games versus civ star. my germans beat his indians. he was boxed in and had no money or room so he quit around 2500 b.c. second game my romans lose to his zulu. Started off very close. He gets knights templar but i block of a 1 square choke point and build a settler to try a little spreading. next thing you know he comes from other side of map and takes my city. ggs civ star.
French (ray) Vs Arabs (aledeus) I settle pretty quick near Spain get 25g from hut and send out 2 warriors to separate barbs 3 turns away from either side of my cap, start learning HBR get 100g from barbs and set up my second city next to whale ready for my free tech, rushed a HA from both cities and head for Spain luckily AI hasn't touched barb near the cap at all so HA becomes vet by the time i'm there, take Spanish cap my second city is now a pretty good one, I know where three more barbs are and 2 of the artifacts, send my first galleon out but see ales galley heading my way so park up next to city there's already an AA in there but he's on fundi and probably got some form if attack in there so better to be safe, ale freezes so I pause till he gets back, when he does AI has got rid of his WA on board the galley so he concedes.
Greek (ray) Vs French (ale) disastrous game, he freezes, restart, I freeze, restart, he takes Zimbabwe I take Moscow, I know where he is and I have a march HA decide to go for him rather than the Egyptians, take his lone warrior on a hill but it doesn't overrun so I lose a turn it's a button race next turn and he has a road leading to his next city, I overrun his militia defence but soon as I do my HA disappears and the city is now his again?? I asked if he flipped it but he says not, after much debate a restart is on the cards.
LoL. That's at least 5 restarts in games involving Aledeus in a 2 day span. My game 1 with him i get a good start with romans against his germans (Euro Cup) but at around 3000 bc i get the "waiting for..." message then the "...has left game" message. He comes back and says his electricity went out. He tells me i can have win if i want it but i decide to give him a restart. Next game i get disconnected, lol.
I had a good one second time I knew where the Spanish was so set up my cap to catch two whales an I was basically in a forest hardly any growth tiles at all, I had just taken Madrid that was game over for him I reckon, seems to be freezing a lot more than usual lately.
Jap, u need to update my record. I'm 2-2. Not 1-2.
got in two matches vs mario09. my aztecs beat his indians. he didnt have 1 barb by 3000 bc and i already had 100 gold,HA and almost second. he concedes. second game my egytians lose to his spanish. I settle inland on second turn with 3 desert and only one tree. first mistake. he walks in on aztecs on third or fourth turn. and then brings HA to harass me. I defeat it with warrior because I have oracle but his HA did its job of harassing me and making burn my gold. He gets 7 soc few turns later and its not looking good. This game has 6 artifacts in it and hell get every one of them. I call it shortly after that. GG's Mario.
My greeks defeat ray tuppers arabs. We settle pretty close to each other. I could see his borders from my cap. about 5 spaces seperate us. I get 100 gold around 3200 bc and he gets it a couple turns later. When he brings his HA over I kill it with my HA. I hit code of laws and begin to spread out. Ive got 13 cities so I switch back to democracy and beeline for industrialization. right before i get it he comes to my cap with 2 cat armies and a warrior army with AA to defend. I rush Gwall and he concedes because he spend so much of his resources on that attack and was very far from getting engineering. GG ray
Germany (ray) Vs Japanese (IN_DIA) wandered around far too long finally settled in a bit of a bum place I could just see some orangey boarders so steered clear of them for a while I didn't want Indy to know where I was (first mistake) turns out the orange boarders we're actually the Indians, my solitary horse encounters indys HA near London, he takes it next turn basically that was game over, I got SoG a while later but completely messed up and and for some unknown reason make a HA and head for London, it has walls and a AA, don't know what I was thinking, I concede shortly after.
greek (ray) Vs french (ale) bumped into ales settler around third turn, its either turn back where there are 0 barbs or carry on i choose to carry on.... i get stuck between some moutains and a barb i cant turn around cause ale has settled, great! settle.. barb gives me a tech, get a pikey sorted and make a horse the egyptians are a bit to my right so head to them with my warrior and horse try to take cap and fail, 3V1.5 1.5V1, fantastic, i make peace and start selling techs to them and the english to make 100g as theres zero barbs about.. for me at least, get my free settler but while in city screen i accidentally rush a galley i put my settler in it and away it goes, 4/5 turns later i come to an island with a hut it tells me there is only one artifact i accidentally settle on said island, one fish zero trees, i switch to gold sell my galley and make a HA by the time i get to egypt ale is already there with his own HA i'm on the hill and i dont think he knows i'm there so before he make a move to the hill for the extra attack points against egyptians i'm going to move so i can kill him.... next turn..... 'which tech would you like to learn' message pops up before i can get rid of it ale has killed off my HA, thats basically game over, i try in vain to at least get to mathmatics first that doesn't work ale has by then taken egypt and a few chinese/english cities and popped out a few settlers of his own, i've got 2 crappy cities... finally get to maths make myself 2vet cat armies and head for paris, on the hill next too it there is an AA and 2 knights, ale freezes or something leaves chat and signs out when he leaves the game it freezes me.. dont know how far i would of got with the cat army he's not miles in front tech wise. i give him the win.
Just to clarify ales freeze caused me to freeze, no restart was offered as ale believed because he had knights and the oracle that he was guaranteed the win because of them two factors, while it's true I would of struggled to make a comeback but I think vet cat armies with pikemen to back them up gave me a pretty good chance, anyways good game to ale.
He doesnt have to offer you a restart, if after a freeze both players feel they had a chance you have no choice but to restart, regardless of what ones personal opinion is.
Played my 2 games against aledeus aswell, went 1-1
My indians give up to his spain pretty quick after another 7city find before 3000's
And my egypte (stonehenge) beat his english, he settles where i started, got a HA at 3000 but aztec walk in on him already before i have to do anything.
Yeah I know just been asked a couple of times if he offered it is all, I didn't ask he didn't,offer I knew it was gonna be a chore coming back but it was definitely doable.
Got my new game and it works- Halleluja. Will be on vacation until saturday, but hope to get many games in during the weekend. Can mybe play some games today- next 3h.
Awesome news. Catch you this weekend.
Got my 2 games in against ray_tupper_
My Mongols beat his India - I won a 4,5-4,5 battle and then he had a wide open city. Little luck here.
My French beat his Romans - Monster start for me. Took out Thebes with coloss - only two tech tiles. Got 100g quick. found scog. Took out Aztecs with Ha. Game over after 15 turns and ray called it.
2-0 weismuller
gg's ray
anyone going to be on tonight? Im in the us so about 6 hours or so from now. Would like to play some tourney games or title games if possible.
My Arabs lose to japs Japanese. Get good start. Take SoC on mainland at 3600 bc. Get 2 GE. Settle same turn. Use both GE and have 100 gold next turn. Was doing well except for the fact wasn't close to any AI's or Jap. Finally meet aztecs and sell them religion cause Jap got AW for pyramids so figured doesn't make much difference if i keep religion from AI's. Jap gets a cap (Berlin). I finally get 1 (aztecs) after losing an unlucky battle for it. I also have another unlucky battle later for Paris (lose a march HA). It takes me a while to get another HA down there and finally take it. Japs went into republic after getting Berlin and i hadn't even found him yet. I knew by time i did he'd already have a ton of cities. I decided not to expand anymore (had just 5 cities) and sell out on a rush with 3 elite HA and Legions. I finally locate 1 of his islands with nothing in first city. So I galley drop it. Just about ready to take other city on 5 -6 tile island when he uses a GB on the damn "great wall". cont...
...It probably takes me a dozen turns to get engineering and take his city for invention. I try to get my attack force to mainland since it's very close but Jap uses a GS on Steam power and has a cruiser already near my galley. He sinks it and i rage quit. Not cause of loss but because i was already in bad mood cause that p#### Montezuma was blocking my screen for the last two-thirds of game. I couldn't see my R2 info panel or even see what government Jap was in or how many techs he had. Just ####ing Montezuma with that stupid look on his face.
montezuma is such a mouthbreather when he won't leave the screen. come on dude, work on your cardio. looks like you just ran a 100 meter dash.
LoL. Yeah, exactly what he looks like. He's worse than anybody else i think cause that huge aztec feathery crown blocks everything in top right corner. Couldn't even see how much gold i had. I hate talking bad about Montezuma cause i love the aztecs but he was pissing me off in this game.
Got my two games played against Aledeus as it was few weeks back i don't really remember details.
First
My German vs (Aledeus) Japan
We both walk for quite a while and settle close to each other after some warriors skirmish and with my battle luck i get walk in on his cap.
Second
My French vs (Aledeus ) Greece
again we settle quite close with all Ai caps close to us he sends warrior army which i kill with my wa 50/50 battle i got hgbr already so iv send some horses to get gold and galley for 7cog and pyramids at this point iv got two cites 2 fundy ha and I take his cap . To be honest I had much more luck in both games.. unlucky Aledeus
Gg's
Another two short games against Forum this time .
First my Arabs vs Forum India
Well I did walk for a while got 35 gold and settled near india and greece could have walk in on greeks but chose to go after india with one vet and one non vet warrior army (one was enough) ...game over unlucky forum
Second game
My English vs Forum Zulu
I choose to walk nowhere near centre of the map as usual against zulu , I pick up friendly for 25 gold and got walk in on moscow next turn , by the way settled on dye and fish.. sweet..got hbr but next turn germany take zulu capital Game over
how unlucky was forum in both of those games .....
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