League chat

[JackHall2003]

Just wanted to give props to Grizz for the presentation, commentary and updates to the League thread without spamming in there (hard enough keeping up with game results). Anyway, great job man.

I suppose if a second thread is unnecessary, it will fall off the bottom and die a natural death.

Well done to Digital, maintains top spot while still scooping up what seems like every other title available - not easy with the group of players we have here.

I really like the 'Grudge Match' - Japan winning is what I would have though and look forward to the Arab/England results, if only to confirm what we already know

Once again, great job guys - exciting to follow. I just wish there was more people recording games.

[MultiPlayaBeast]

Just wanted to give props to Grizz for the presentation, commentary and updates to the League thread without spamming in there (hard enough keeping up with game results). Anyway, great job man.

I suppose if a second thread is unnecessary, it will fall off the bottom and die a natural death.

Well done to Digital, maintains top spot while still scooping up what seems like every other title available - not easy with the group of players we have here.

I really like the 'Grudge Match' - Japan winning is what I would have though and look forward to the Arab/England results, if only to confirm what we already know

Once again, great job guys - exciting to follow. I just wish there was more people recording games.

Arabs definitely isn't winning they'd start on a island that you can't figure it out is until 3400 bc against English.

[GrizzleyTigers4]

Just wanted to give props to Grizz for the presentation, commentary and updates to the League thread without spamming in there (hard enough keeping up with game results). Anyway, great job man.

I suppose if a second thread is unnecessary, it will fall off the bottom and die a natural death.

Well done to Digital, maintains top spot while still scooping up what seems like every other title available - not easy with the group of players we have here.

I really like the 'Grudge Match' - Japan winning is what I would have though and look forward to the Arab/England results, if only to confirm what we already know

Once again, great job guys - exciting to follow. I just wish there was more people recording games.

Thanks Jack, its quite an effort to run something so massive......anyways I would like to hear ideas on the other grudge match candidates.....I think im leaning toward rome india instead of china zulu for week 7.....mainly because in recent weeks we seem to have decided china zulu without a doubt....

[JackHall2003]

I think India would edge out the Romans, but maybe that's just because i'm not great with Rome.

Some Ideas to consider :-

Germany/Rome - Can the slower paced Germans pull it off in time before the Romans get out of reach, Rome can easily counter with Legions if the Germans do speed it up.

India/Aztecs - On paper, the Aztecs should have early control, but can they deliver a finishing blow or gain enough of a foothold to counter before Fundy or the general Indian 'snowball'?

Spain/Zulu is always fun - but, I think proved time and again the Zulu are just too fast.

[Mawpawk]

india ,romans is good, an equally gd player will make a better game with india i think, but if map positioning is right then the romans can be a big problem

aztec zulu, who gets more gold normally has the advantage, but the auto heal against impi squad bullies and barbs might balance the equation out, and i believe the aztecs have the edge here because early movements do last the whole game and win... iv been wrong many times before tho.

china,america .....i understand that america is the more stronger civ but i would not be surprised under current tourney conditions if china didnt edge out the most wins. well im hopefull

russia,mongols........again i understand that at year 4000bc russia are stronger but playing head 2 head , i believe mongols will take more wins.

germans vs arabs...... germans are slower to the finish line whereas arabs are quick, but shockingly i will vouch for the germans in this matchup.

greeks vs england.......quite a similar type of civ(tech and defence heavy) but i would have 2 go with england as playing the greeks annoys me, cheerz

[ITZ DENI3D]

Germans V.S Arabs would be fun IMO. I don't see the Mongols taking more wins than the Russians... China V.S. America I don't see being to even either cheap ass KA's and CA's are unstoppable unless China can get to cruisers somehow

[Liam_Sutty]

MPB - What did you mean when you said that Digital said my mid-late game was different to everybody else? In what way? Cheers.

[GrizzleyTigers4]

MPB - What did you mean when you said that Digital said my mid-late game was different to everybody else? In what way? Cheers.

Packrat hasnt figured that out yet....hence you being the only one to get the better of him of late...

[MultiPlayaBeast]

MPB - What did you mean when you said that Digital said my mid-late game was different to everybody else? In what way? Cheers.

You tech TOO DANG FAST! AND YOU SOME HOW MANAGE TO BUILD A OFFENSE BEFORE ANYONE CAN MATCH YOUR SCIENCE AND HAVE A OFFENSE TOO! I was quite amazed...

[MultiPlayaBeast]

I'm so mad because I wrote up a good long post and my internet messes up when I post it!

[MultiPlayaBeast]

I truly believe, going forward, that Mongols should have 10% handicap in there games for the tourney. People will be more fond of using them and they can definitely stand up to the test. If this isn't talked about happening in this thread... I will make a thread that speaks of a general consensus of who agrees with this implement to the Mongols only.

[GrizzleyTigers4]

I'm so mad because I wrote up a good long post and my internet messes up when I post it!

The page times out on you...it happened to me the first time I typed up a strategy guide...

[Digitalpackrat]

Just wanted to give props to Grizz for the presentation, commentary and updates to the League thread without spamming in there (hard enough keeping up with game results). Anyway, great job man.

I suppose if a second thread is unnecessary, it will fall off the bottom and die a natural death.

Well done to Digital, maintains top spot while still scooping up what seems like every other title available - not easy with the group of players we have here.

I really like the 'Grudge Match' - Japan winning is what I would have though and look forward to the Arab/England results, if only to confirm what we already know

Once again, great job guys - exciting to follow. I just wish there was more people recording games.

Thanks jack. love seeing a summary of all that is happening. keep up the good work and keep those videos coming

[Liam_Sutty]

The page times out on you...it happened to me the first time I typed up a strategy guide...

Yeah I've had this done to me before so if I'm writing a long post i.e. a game write up I'll do it in Word first and then copy and paste it over.

[dukeblue1987]

I truly believe, going forward, that Mongols should have 10% handicap in there games for the tourney. People will be more fond of using them and they can definitely stand up to the test. If this isn't talked about happening in this thread... I will make a thread that speaks of a general consensus of who agrees with this implement to the Mongols only.

We have definately talked about it in the past and I always thought it was a good idea... I actually would say 20% because that lets you get out a warrior in 2 turns. Might be a bit strong, hard to say.

[MultiPlayaBeast]

We have definately talked about it in the past and I always thought it was a good idea... I actually would say 20% because that lets you get out a warrior in 2 turns. Might be a bit strong, hard to say.

It's like our way of making Mongols not so dang sucky in ancient. Where the developers went wrong we made a change for the better. Mongols need this and I guarantee everyone will be ready to try them in out in tourneys... Maybe even up against Zulu.

[dukeblue1987]

It's like our way of making Mongols not so dang sucky in ancient. Where the developers went wrong we made a change for the better. Mongols need this and I guarantee everyone will be ready to try them in out in tourneys... Maybe even up against Zulu.

Maybe you can start up a tourney after the round robins. Give every civ a hdcp. For example mongols 30%, french 20%, japs 10%. The goal would be to try to give every civ a 50 winning percentage over time. It would take some tweaking, but could be fun.

[MultiPlayaBeast]

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Maybe you can start up a tourney after the round robins. Give every civ a hdcp. For example mongols 30%, french 20%, japs 10%. The goal would be to try to give every civ a 50 winning percentage over time. It would take some tweaking, but could be fun.

I guess that could work although I determined it would only be right for Mongols due to barbs simply not giving gold. I mean they wont even tell you where the next barb, city or artifact is at. Everyone else get gold... Gold is everything. But I guess that too having some fun with how all the civs will fare in handicaps but certain ones getting higher compared to others would be interesting. Maybe you and I should speak more on this type of tourney.

[JackHall2003]

The Mongol handicap thing: -

I agree it's worth trying something out to see how it goes, thing is, if they do survive ancient, and then ride it out to 14 tech, they will become awesome with a handicap.

[JackHall2003]

So Grizz, Duke and DP get to pick next weeks tier - Your audience awaits.

[GrizzleyTigers4]

So Grizz, Duke and DP get to pick next weeks tier - Your audience awaits.

That was the original plan, but multi swept as well so we have a 3way tie for first....someone isnt going to get the advantage...so my question is this...do you think I should switch this weeks theme to next week?? Duke, myself, and multi, 2 of us will play eachother this week so there shouldnt still be a 3 way tie next week unless we all split 1-1. What do you think....or just flip a coin to see who gets left out of the picking??

[JackHall2003]

What do you think....

Put the 'Current Streak' column to use?

[GrizzleyTigers4]

aaha.....sounds like a plan.....I win!..

[MultiPlayaBeast]

The Mongol handicap thing: -

I agree it's worth trying something out to see how it goes, thing is, if they do survive ancient, and then ride it out to 14 tech, they will become awesome with a handicap.

Thats what they need... to survive ancient and it is dang near impossible going against other civs getting gold and aiming for your little cities with not much to offer in defense. Mongols need a boost and getting a 10% isn't that bad. Everyone is able to use the Mongols in tourneys so no one is being left out in getting to use that bonus for the Mongols. No one should be hating against this idea unless the racist against the Mongols.

[ITZ DENI3D]

Maybe you can start up a tourney after the round robins. Give every civ a hdcp. For example mongols 30%, french 20%, japs 10%. The goal would be to try to give every civ a 50 winning percentage over time. It would take some tweaking, but could be fun.

I don't think Japan or the French need one...

[GrizzleyTigers4]

I don't think Japan or the French need one...

Oh you didnt say that with a straight face ITZ.....his point is to apply a handicap to every civ to make every civ even....by the logic of that tournament you cant say french or japan doesnt need one....because if you do you are saying that french and japan are just as good as all other civs which they are not

[Mawpawk]

i think the mongols are fine as they are, 10% would crush all civs up to top mid tier, but carry on new ways 2 play are definitely interesting

[ITZ DENI3D]

Oh you didnt say that with a straight face ITZ.....his point is to apply a handicap to every civ to make every civ even....by the logic of that tournament you cant say french or japan doesnt need one....because if you do you are saying that french and japan are just as good as all other civs which they are not

The only civ that should POSSIBLY get a handicap is Mongols because of there complete inability to get gold from barbs, other than that other civs should be left alone...

[GrizzleyTigers4]

The only civ that should POSSIBLY get a handicap is Mongols because of there complete inability to get gold from barbs, other than that other civs should be left alone...

They are talking about making a tournament where every civ is even ITZ....not changing your tournament or all future tournaments....a specific tournament where all civs are made even due to handicapping....I didnt say I would play it in because that sounds like no fun to me......but in that style of tournament you cant tell me that only the mongols need a handicap to make all civs even.......are you telling me that Greece is just as good as India? Or that France is just as good as Germany....saying only mongols would get a handicap in a tournament laid out that way doesnt make any sense....

[dukeblue1987]

The only civ that should POSSIBLY get a handicap is Mongols because of there complete inability to get gold from barbs, other than that other civs should be left alone...

I actually think the the Mongols can be played better than the French. Just ask MadJinn. They are just way harder to play correctly.

[MultiPlayaBeast]

I think if Mongols don't have a handicap that there is no point playing them then. Mongols against any civ in past tournaments has got the most loss than any civ used by anyone. Mongols clearly need some boost. Greece can be MUCH better than India if played correctly.

[ITZ DENI3D]

I actually think the the Mongols can be played better than the French. Just ask MadJinn. They are just way harder to play correctly.

I'm pretty sure I can win over half my games as French against Mongols...

[ITZ DENI3D]

Greece can be MUCH better than India if played correctly.

Apparently... Grizz ask Liam and maybe he will show you

[dukeblue1987]

I'm pretty sure I can win over half my games as French against Mongols...

I would like to play a best of 10 and see. I'm not an expert Mongol player but I think I could pull off 6 wins. Or I could be wrong and you might stomp me! The Mongols do actually get bonusus. The French get a GP early. That's it.

[ITZ DENI3D]

I would like to play a best of 10 and see. I'm not an expert Mongol player but I think I could pull off 6 wins. Or I could be wrong and you might stomp me! The Mongols do actually get bonusus. The French get a GP early. That's it.

Yes and it is usually a humanitarian, I would say there biggest bonus is being able to get gold from barbs... So every one has the best bonus on them... Of course if my HA loses 12-7.5 at 2800 there is nothing I can do. After your tourney games maybe we should try this out.

[JackHall2003]

Greece can be MUCH better than India if played correctly.

lol. Not if India are played equally correctly!

[GrizzleyTigers4]

Mongols clearly need some boost. Greece can be MUCH better than India if played correctly.

Not if India is played correctly

[GrizzleyTigers4]

Apparently... Grizz ask Liam and maybe he will show you

Im one of the best Greece players on the forum.....and I still disagree....

[ITZ DENI3D]

Im one of the best Greece players on the forum.....and I still disagree....

I don't know since those are 2 of the civs I use the least...

[GrizzleyTigers4]

I don't know since those are 2 of the civs I use the least...

Tru....lets compare the bonii....indias bonii are all good....especially their early ones.....you start with no anrachy...thats OK....you start with extra resources..pretty good in ancient...awesome+ in midevil....then you get fundy......
Greece starts with Demo and a coutrhouse. Both of which are worthless early on unless you take advantage of pikes for defense....then greece gets more great people(that bonus doesnt even work). So at this point its very obvious that india has the advantage...2/3 early bonii are nice....none of Greeces are at all.

So lets move this discussion to the industrial era. greece gets half cost libraries....awesome right?? only if you are china. Lets compare this too indias bonus. They get half cost settlers.....so lets compare. in industrial a library half off is 80 bucks and a settler is 80 bucks. For india a settler is 40 bucks...therefore I can settler 4 cities for the price it costs you to build one with a library.....this is way better when you consider that 2 cities is usually equal to a city with a library....so india wins again right??

So lets take it to modern....both are worthless....india gets half cost courthouse....big whoop.....nobody builds coutrhouses.....greece gets +1 food.....big deal......when are you in the modern era long enough for this to even matter....