GOTW Zulu 22.04.2012

[MagnaCarta]

This was posted earlier today in a separate thread (by nogmskls), I thought it may be helpful...

my first time here, not sure if it's cool to do this.
these are all from the original settler start spot.

artifacts:
ark 12u 1r
7cog 12u 6r
aw 11u 12r
soc 13u 10L
atlantis 8d 8L


huts:
1d 3L
7d 4L
4u 9r
8u 12r
3d 14L


barb huts:
2u 2r
1d 4r
3u 6r
4u 1L
8u 4L
6u 7L
1u 10L
4d 5L
11u 6L
1u 9r
4u 12r


name tiles (money spots):
2L
3u 1r
2u 5L
8L
6u 8L
2u 7r
8d 2r
9u 6L
8u 7r
5d 4L
4u 10r
9u 12r
from madrid:
3u
7u 3L



of course there may be more, and im real good at making mistakes so there may be a few.

nogmskls, Good effort and welcome to the forum

[Kadera]

2 barb huts are missed. This week no problem with gold
On Chieftain that map is crazy, i did 3300 BC (posted as 3000 BC), it's not only new record, it's also very easy (3x walk in), far easier than 3200 BC many months ago. Many months ago 14 players did 3000 BC, this week 100 players should do it.

Other civs are:
-Japanese (close W)
-Spanish (WS)
-Aztecs (NW)
-French (ES)

As for Deity - walk in is so obvious but after that many ways: Madrid+Tenoch or Tenoch+Madrid or Madrid+Paris or Paris+Madrid (for Dom even Paris+Tenoch). BC for non-dom should be easy but stupid Zulu has "bonus": "rapid city growth" (so 2 or 1 turn wasted).

[MagnaCarta]

2 barb huts are missed. This week no problem with gold
On Chieftain that map is crazy, i did 3300 BC (posted as 3000 BC), it's not only new record, it's also very easy (3x walk in), far easier than 3200 BC many months ago. Many months ago 14 players did 3000 BC, this week 100 players should do it.

Other civs are:
-Japanese (close W)
-Spanish (WS)
-Aztecs (NW)
-French (ES)

As for Deity - walk in is so obvious but after that many ways: Madrid+Tenoch or Tenoch+Madrid or Madrid+Paris or Paris+Madrid (for Dom even Paris+Tenoch). BC for non-dom should be easy but stupid Zulu has "bonus": "rapid city growth" (so 2 or 1 turn wasted).

I'm thinking madrid-paris would be ideal for non dom? Im having big problems taking madrid at 3100, im in position with LA m+b and an Impi but i cant make it work (keep losing the second battle 6 vs 6), tried lots of ways maybe i should just settle for less...... too long with not much progress.

Please tell me you are using legions and not impi's lol, i actually tried a couple of tries with them and madrid almost worked (again lost second fight, i think 6 vs 6, elite + GG).

Seeding question:

If I win/lose a certain fight at Xyz year, does that mean that i can expect to have the same results with different fighting odds at that exact time? for instance, a while back i asked you why you attacked a barb at 0.34 vs 0.5... and your response was something like "well i tried .67 vs .5 and won so i expected to win .34 vs" which didnt register at the time. Are fights pre-fixed by dates?

(i hope all that made sense,lol..... and thanks in advance )

[Kadera]

Please tell me you are using legions and not impi's lol

Why not? Impi's are fast. Problem is with Paris - AA at 2900 BC, but i changed seed and i should take Paris at 2900 BC (maybe 2800).

If I win/lose a certain fight at Xyz year, does that mean that i can expect to have the same results with different fighting odds at that exact time?

Usually yes, sometimes not. Sometimes you can win 6 vs 7 and lose 9 vs 7. Usually: if you will almost win 6 vs 7 then you should win 9 vs 7.

[johnfeddersen]

Kadera

Advice with Tenoch. They won't walk out the AAs even for GPs and when the do at 1900 they have 2 AAs one stays in camp...

Magna,

Some of the players are taking madrid at 3300 or 3200 with Imps. I'm using Imps, but can only do 3000 (attk 3100), but I get GG + Nav without buying IW and 100g settlers. Remember to cover (camp) on as many city tiles as possible (mil, cav etc...)


Also are not the Aztecs used as AI way too much?
Is there a most frequent Civ used?

[Kadera]

It's all random.

Some of the players are taking madrid at 3300 or 3200 with Imps.

I can see 3400 BC (Madrid or Tenochtitlan). But it's not good. This week my opening is very bad for Dom so maybe i'll post nothing. Probably 2800 or 2700 BC is possible.

I posted 600 BC (cultural), 1st run, bad game, many stupid mistakes (especial: i sold critical Galleon). Different problem with gold - too much of gold, so expanding is boring.

[MagnaCarta]

Why not? Impi's are fast. Problem is with Paris - AA at 2900 BC, but i changed seed and i should take Paris at 2900 BC (maybe 2800).

Magna,

Some of the players are taking madrid at 3300 or 3200 with Imps.

Yes!! again me and my 'nothing but legions' brain ,lol..... you both are absolutely right!! sooooo much easier ---Bless those Impi's.

It all led to my FIRST BC win!!

300BC cultural V, very exciting... first run (after paris at 2900), big mistakes, specially i forgot to pop SoC!!!! lol, the whole game and realized it after the game ended, thats crazy, i had a city right next to it and completely forgot about it (i think it cost me 1-2 turns, probably 1) production could have been ready for 500 w/communism. It sounds crazy but it was easy to forget about that since all huts pretty much give techs... i settled ALL gp's (12 or 13), not one used... had 4 GS's stored but no use due to huts, no GB's and a million GA's. My game went like this:

3600 kyoto + bronze
3300 Madrid + Nav
3200 100g settlers
2900 Paris + IW (this was a mistake i thought as i could have maybe got pottery and save a turn to go medieval)
2800 Republic
2700 7Cog
2600 Medieval *
1700 (or 1800) banking-ind-corp from huts
1500 Democracy 41 cities (later 44) (i think i started teching 1 or 2 turns too late but not sure so maybe this was possible 1700?)
1000 Iron mine (74 hammers/turn) 7 turns with no comm (9 pop:3 moutains,oak, 5 hills ---- used atlantis to pop construction)
300 BC Culture victory

* 1 turn glitch into medieval???? I had 5 techs but it skipped a turn to put me in medieval... i thought that was pretty weird...did that ever happen to anyone???

Clearly this score is up gradable and i will give it another shot later but still very exciting to get that first BC win behind me

Remember to cover (camp) on as many city tiles as possible (mil, cav etc...)

Thanks John.... camping+war at 3000BC is what kept paris from having AA 30 def at 2900BC so this was very helpful

[Kadera]

i settled ALL gp's (12 or 13)

Without SoC? You lies I had 12 GP (with SoC).

3200 100g settlers
2900 Paris + IW

For me: 2800 BC BW+IW+Pott. I can't kill 2A+GL in 1 turn. 100g settlers about 2900 BC. So your opening looks better (especial for Dom and 2800 BC) but maybe you have less of money.

1700 (or 1800) banking-ind-corp from huts

1900 BC. I'm not going to get Banking, it's dangerous, many times you will get +1 tech (Curr+Banking + Banking from 250g - 3 techs instead of 2).

* 1 turn glitch into medieval???? I had 5 techs but it skipped a turn to put me in medieval... i thought that was pretty weird...did that ever happen to anyone???

Never. Maybe you got some tech for free (backfilling or Currrency from 250g)?

Today i posted on Deity:
-700 BC cult - good game (22/20 cult. milestones)
-800 BC Cultural V. (X360, o777o) - perfect without GB. I can get 20/20 cultural milestones at 1000 BC but 1 GS is needed for Communism, with GB (+GS) 900 BC is possible but GB is needed very early, no chance to build Oxford, money are needed for production city.

[MagnaCarta]

Without SoC? You lies I had 12 GP (with SoC).

Hahahahaha, thank god for the smiley face

I would probably use the term mistake>lies , but either way you are right.... I think i wrote 12-13 because i only built 7 or 8 wonders at the end so i deducted that from 20, i guess i forgot about the pyramids and stonehenge which i had prior to that so that must be the explanation.... I know for sure i forgot SoC, thats a fact ( and im not proud of it lol)

Never. Maybe you got some tech for free (backfilling or Currrency from 250g)?

No backfilling, wasnt teching yet.... Yes currency from 250g, i used it to get to 5 techs cause i forgot to get pottery via France... but still it should get me to 5 techs and it didnt, maybe thats how it is i didnt know that so i had 5 settlers ready to be settled that waited 2 turns.... complete waste!

1900 BC. I'm not going to get Banking, it's dangerous, many times you will get +1 tech (Curr+Banking + Banking from 250g - 3 techs instead of 2).

Right! happened to me before but currency from 250 so currecy+banking=2 techs

For me: 2800 BC BW+IW+Pott. I can't kill 2A+GL in 1 turn. 100g settlers about 2900 BC. So your opening looks better (especial for Dom and 2800 BC) but maybe you have less of money.

I had 2 armies there to attack at 2900. First army (blitz only) from madrid on galleon with GG attack from forest.... 2nd army (march only) via land, picked up the 4 barbs on the way and got there just in time for attack at 2900 off the hill.... not sure about the money part I think I had ~350-400g + caravan by tenoch after 7cog (rushed settlers too late i suppose due to currency+"glitch" = lack of knowledge).

I will try to improve my score .....

[Liam_Sutty]

Wow these times are insane. I'm going to give it a try now!!

[Liam_Sutty]

Just had a quick go to get used to map and took madrid and kyoto with relative ease. Took me a while to find france but I thought I'd abuse them for GP but they used a GB on HGB and AGS on construction lol. So much room to expand it's untrue. I just don't know if I've got it in me to build 40 cities and have the patience to manage them all....

[Kadera]

I will try to improve my score .....

Why you are not bragging? PS3 players don't know your new scores, now you are really fast. But still Ollie's 100 BC with Romans is better (island start, no walk in). To beat him you need 1 BC victory when map isn't easy (simply without walk in and as no Americans) or few weeks with BC victories (no American). Now you are as good as ScottieX.

This week no spoiler, almost everything is above but:
2800 BC Republic
1900 BC Ind+Corp from huts, GP from 150c (for 900 BC 1st GP must be GB)
1800 BC Democracy, 44 cities, AoC

About Dom and what is possible:
-3300 BC on Chieftain (i did it, posted as 3000, 3x walk in)
-3000 BC on Warlord (2x walk in, WA without fundametalism)
-3000 BC on King (2x walk in, WA + naval) or easy 2800 BC (2x walk in, WA + fund + naval)
-the same with Emperor
-2800 BC on Deity (walk in, WA only + fund, i can do 2700 BC but it's far from perfect so i'm not going to waste my time 30-60 min for 2700).

[MagnaCarta]

Why you are not bragging? PS3 players don't know your new scores, now you are really fast.

Thanks you and I was definitely going to, i wanted to give it another shot at better (maybe tie with you) but 2 tries later i couldnt.

So that leaves me at 700BC culture V for the week ........ your 800 seems very hard for me. My problem this week was reaching 20/20... i had railroad at 1500BC (monarchy delayed) that game but could only build iron mine at 1400 and again only 9 pop at 74/turn = 7 turns, but still i needed every one of those turns to get 20/20 (maybe i need more cities, i also had democracy at 1800 but less then 40 cities, maybe ~36-37).... so i suppose production could be ready for 800 or even 900 w/communism but its useless..... Like you said with GB early and Eitc is different story.

To beat him you need 1 BC victory when map isn't easy (simply without walk in and as no Americans) or few weeks with BC victories (no American)

I agree. This map was really simple and very easy (maybe easiest ever, for me), thanks to you guys once i was guided in the right direction (Impis>legions) it was fast and easy, there was hardly any seeding involved.... madrid goes smoothly (caravan in first, then attack 4.5 vs 6 and then vs 0) and the only thing i had to change for paris was attack 1 flag of a 2 flag barb first and then win 7 vs 8 off the hill, 7 vs 8 (forrest,GG) and then vs 0 plus one change order of rushed units to get to get the march upgrade for army #2 .... and gold was always available... i struggle with low gold maps so that wasnt an issue, expansion was fast.

Now you are as good as ScottieX.

maybe a bit of a stretch but ill take it!

About Dom and what is possible:
-3300 BC on Chieftain (i did it, posted as 3000, 3x walk in)
-3000 BC on Warlord (2x walk in, WA without fundametalism)
-3000 BC on King (2x walk in, WA + naval) or easy 2800 BC (2x walk in, WA + fund + naval)
-the same with Emperor
-2800 BC on Deity (walk in, WA only + fund, i can do 2700 BC but it's far from perfect so i'm not going to waste my time 30-60 min for 2700).

i tried chieftain for a change and got 3200BC=3000..... i will try to do dom 2800, probably have to re-seed paris and hopefully they will still defend at 8....

[johnfeddersen]

Nobody had trouble with the Aztecs?

We all know you can't injure them down...

Once they have AA you need CAs... unless... I won a double upset with LAs 19 vs 24AA (very unusual) but that was for a 1300BC win...

The best Dom Diety PS3 was 2300BC... so I'll try for 2700-2800BC... If I can take Tenoch when they only have A in camp...

[RickWJ66]

Hey, guys. It's been a long time (probably more than 2 years) since I have competitively tried the GOTW, but I recently started playing CivRev again just for a change, so I took a crack at the GOTW. I just managed to get a 2100 BC dom victory on diety on XBox. Can't recall all the specific details, but used impis to take Japan in 3600 (empty capital), Spain by 3300 or 3200 (can't recall), used amped up horse army to take Aztecs around 2600 (was lucky in some battles). Sent my free 100g settler out towards france, raising money from barbs along the way, to build a city and then build the longest road ever to instantly bring my troops to Paris' doorstep. Only to find that, in 2200, Napoleon sent a settler out with his archer army, leaving NO defenders in his capital. Would have taken it anyway with my two amped horse armies and one impi army, but I guess I did not need all of them in the end.

[ScottieX]

Hey, guys. It's been a long time (probably more than 2 years) since I have competitively tried the GOTW, but I recently started playing CivRev again just for a change, so I took a crack at the GOTW.

wow rick is back I missed this post but such a return would seem to be worth highlighting