Who is the Last Civ?

[Black Gate of Mordor]

Ever since Greg's announcement, we've known there would be 9 new civs in the upcoming expansion. So far, through announcements, PAX, and simple inquisition, we as a community have found eight.

So, what is the ninth?

Confirmed, through various avenues:

Netherlands
Carthage
Celts
Maya
Huns
Byzantium
Austria (-Hungary?)
Ethiopia

CONTENDERS:
Zulu
Majapahit
Poland (-Lithuania)
Portugal
Inuit
Sioux
Mexico
Assyria
Israel
Tibet

I've probably missed a few favourites. Vote not who you think is most likely, but who you think deserves it the most.

[Kevik]

My guess would be another civ from the Americas, Africa, or Asia. If you could get a list of all the civs in the game already into this tread that would be cool

[istry555]

Portugal, Tibet, and Israel have already been disconfirmed by city-states. I also think another European civ at this point is unlikely, and if the Zulu were in they would have been announced already.

I see really only three likely options: an ancient Meosoptamian civ, in which case it would be Sumer (though I'd prefer Assyria); a South-East Asian civ, most likely Majapahit (or perhaps a general 'Indonesia'); or another native American civ (in which case I think the Sioux are the most likely, though I'd place another Native American civ as less likely than either Mesopotamia or SE Asia).

I voted for Assyria by the way, who I've been hoping make it in a civ game for quite a while.

[Jazzterisk]

It has to be the Zulu's - it's the one Civ that has been in every previous game in the series that has not yet been included in V.

I really think it must be the Zulu's. I mean how can they include Austria and not the Zulu's. The Zulu's are a classic Civ from the series.

[Joketa]

We also see Lhasa as a city state in one of the screen shots, so Tibet is not a choice.

I still think the Holy Roman Empire is a strong possibility even though I hope it isn't in there. I know people are yelling DLC, but I still think the Zulu are the most likely. Sumer or Assyria are also quite possible. I would be surprised if it were anything else from the list. Personally, I'm hoping for another shocker like the Huns were.

[istry555]

I still think the Holy Roman Empire is a strong possibility even though I hope it isn't in there.

See, for me, Austria under Maria Theresa disconfirmed the HRE. I thought it was possible before, but I don't see them adding both HRE and Austria (at least not in the same expansion).

[Joketa]

See, for me, Austria under Maria Theresa disconfirmed the HRE. I thought it was possible before, but I don't see them adding both HRE and Austria (at least not in the same expansion).

Good point. I'm happy for that, and actually happy to see Austria(-Hungary) in even though I'm against the Eurocentricity of this game. Their UA looks very interesting.

[Kukulcán]

I say Tibet, Sioux/Comanche, or Brazil.

[tempshemps]

I really think it must be the Zulu's. I mean how can they include Austria and not the Zulu's. The Zulu's are a classic Civ from the series.

Easy... Austria was involved in our recent two World Wars. Its significance to recent history is immense. Zulu is just another zerg-rush military Civilization, and is relatively insignificant in a historical/cultural context compared with Austria.

an ancient Meosoptamian civ, in which case it would be Sumer (though I'd prefer Assyria);

Sumerians came up with the first instance of writing, didn't they? Seems like they are the obvious choice for cultural/historical significance. Plus, the Sumerians are in Wonders of the Ancient World... so it makes all the sense in the world that they would be included at some point in the main game itself.

[Jazzterisk]

Easy... Austria was involved in our recent two World Wars. Its significance to recent history is immense. Zulu is just another zerg-rush military Civilization, and is relatively insignificant in a historical/cultural context compared with Austria.

True, but there are already a lot of European Civs and only one from Africa (I suppose 2 now the Ethiopia is confirmed). I think the Devs have been trying to represent different areas of the world so it's a natural step to add another from Africa. Of the possibilities, the Zulus are a natural choice in my opinion.

Also, I would be shocked if the Zulu's were not included since they have been in every Civ game previously.

[istry555]

I feel Zulu's chances for the last spot are tied to what Firaxis plans are in terms of DLC and a 2nd expansion after G&K. Argue their importance all you want, the Zulu will be a big seller. If they have a 2nd expansion, most of the big name civs will already have been included by then. Saving the Zulu for one last sales push makes sense. (The same reason why Portugal is only a city-state in G&K). If there are no plans for DLC/expansions past G&K, well then Zulu are almost definite. They will be added eventually.

[tempshemps]

True, but there are already a lot of European Civs and only one from Africa (I suppose 2 now the Ethiopia is confirmed).

Actually, there's 3 from Africa: Ethiopia, Songhai, and Egypt.

And there are probably a lot of European Civilizations compared to African civilizations because European markets dwarf African markets, and Europeans want their civilizations in the game. And because more Americans are familiar with Austria both culturally and historically than with Zulu.

How can modders make a WW2 scenario if they don't have Austria or Poland? I suppose they could, but it wouldn't be quite as accurate to history or as realistic, and I think a lot of players would want that capability.

[Black Gate of Mordor]

@ Jazzterisk

There are four civs in Africa now (Carthage, Songhai, Egypt, Ethiopia).

[PachaMinnie]

Despite the fact that I voted Poland I know think otherwise. With Austria already in they won't get in in this one. With Ethiopia that rules out the powerful Zulus. The Maya take out any central American civs. I doubt the Sioux will be in, to many horse civilizations added already. Inuit and Mexico I doubt will make it into Civilization 5 period. I see an Asian civilization or someone like Sumer or Assyria will make it.

Tempshemps, when you say Austria was involved in two recent world wars, what do you mean? Because Austria was not in World War 2, unless you are talking about the Nazi Germans raping their country. There may have been Austrians in World War 2 but they where not their own country, annexed 1937. Plus South Africa was in both World Wars and I think that there where Zulus that fought in the S.A. military. Sure they never saw combat, but they still served atleast in World War 2.

[istry555]

To be fair, Carthage only counts as an "African" civ on a technicality.

Besides, when someone talks about African representation, more often than not they are specifically referring to Sub-Saharan African representation of which there are only two civs at the moment. Even than, South Africa is still completely empty.

[Tahitian Moon]

I think there's a purpose they haven't told the final Civ yet, it's a huge fan favorite - the Zulu, or something that has a strong fanbase but hasn't been in the game yet - Poland, or something very very new like the Khazars.

I bet Zulu, but Poland would fit the medieval/renaissance Scenario of the game really well, and something totally new(like Polynesia and Songai were) might be it. Khazars would fit because there's no Civs with jewish faith yet.

[tejon]

I was hoping to see Khazars, but once Huns were confirmed they no longer seemed likely; Uyghur cultures have two famous representatives now, an obscure third would be pushing it. So at this point I'm rooting for Majapahit.

[anandus]

Despite the fact that I voted Poland I know think otherwise. With Austria already in they won't get in in this one. With Ethiopia that rules out the powerful Zulus. The Maya take out any central American civs. I doubt the Sioux will be in, to many horse civilizations added already. Inuit and Mexico I doubt will make it into Civilization 5 period. I see an Asian civilization or someone like Sumer or Assyria will make it.

I completely agree with this line of thought.

But with Carthage in there sort-of is an ancient middle-eastern civ included, so I'd put my money on the Majapahit and Gajah Mada as it's leader.

[istry555]

I think there's a purpose they haven't told the final Civ yet, it's a huge fan favorite - the Zulu, or something that has a strong fanbase but hasn't been in the game yet - Poland, or something very very new like the Khazars

I think that depends on if they are really holding out a last civ or that's just how it seems at the moment. Some people are saying that all three final civs (Austria, Ethiopia, ?) are being revealed at PAX. Shirk kind of revealed Austria in tangent and Ethiopia was seen in a demo. If all three are being revealed at PAX, then it's sort of just how it happened that one is left hanging for the next day or so and we are perceiving it with higher expectations. Of course, if the last one isn't actually being revealed at the event, then I agree with you in that there could be a reason why it hasn't been shown yet.

[IrishSamurai]

This one is pretty tricky. I guessed they would add Austria/Austro-Hungary because they would fit the upcoming Great War Era, but Ethiopia was a surprise. Since we have Ethiopia, the Zulu will probably be released later as a DLC since they have a huge fan base (i'm one of them) and have been in the last few Civ installments. However, they seem to be "saving the best for last" as it were. After they make their great reveal, a not commonly known civ will just leave most people scratching their heads. So my guess is it will be a well known civ from past games, like the Zulu, or at least one that resonates with a larger audience, like Mexico.

Another factor to consider of course is regional representation. G&K currently has no Asian, Oceanic or North/Central American civs. A Native American civ would fit with the new religion mechanic, as would Mexico. Australia and Majapahit are possible for Oceana, but we were lucky to finally get the Polynesians. As for an Asian civ, who knows? Could be Vietnam or even the Han Dynasty. Be cool to go up against Cao Cao...but i digress.

Final verdict: I'm going to hedge my bets and say either Zulu, Mexico or a Native American civ like the Sioux, Five Tribes, Pueblo, etc.

[PachaMinnie]

Cao Cao was Chinese dude, he is in the game as a great general.

[Kukulcán]

New info about Ethiopia:

According to people at Something Awful who attended at PAX:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/sho...pagenumber=507
http://forums.somethingawful.com/sho...readid=3476996


Quote:
Originally Posted by ixnay
Ethiopia is in, with Haile Selasse as leader. Very defensive-oriented; one of their traits is a 20% combat bonus against larger civilizations and their special unit (industrial era?) gets a bonus the closer they are to the capital

[IrishSamurai]

Cao Cao was Chinese dude, he is in the game as a great general.

I know he was Chinese dude. The point i was making is the Asian slot is up for grabs. Plus, Cao Cao could make a good Chinese ruler in a mod or something. I digressed. Move on.

[Radu]

I would guess the Sioux... or Israel. But Portugal deserved the most, IMO.

[inquisitiveowl]

I'm guessing Majapahit, but I think they'll be included as Indonesia.

The Sioux, Inuit or Assyrians are all strong contenders. I wouldn't mind seeing Sumeria or the Hittites but don't think it's likely at least in the expansion.

[zephyrtr]

The fact that they're holding out on revealing the last Civ kind of makes me wonder if it is indeed Zulu. Everyone says its more likely they will be DLC but I'd like to know if they definitely plan to release more DLC post gods n kings. I don't know if that's definitely happening.

[anandus]

No, we don't, but as quite some big civs are still missing (Zulu, Portugal, Sioux, etc.), one can make a safe assumption DLC or another expansion will be coming in the future.

I absolutely admit that this is also wishful thinking on my part, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

[inquisitiveowl]

I'm actually hoping the Zulu aren't the last Civ. As much as I'd enjoy having them in the game, I can't help but suspect that their appearance in the expansion would detract from Ethiopia. Plus I don't think it's likely they'll add another African Civ straight away...

[Jazzterisk]

@ Jazzterisk

There are four civs in Africa now (Carthage, Songhai, Egypt, Ethiopia).

That's not good enough. Being the greedy soul that I am, I want more.

Actually, I just really wants the Zulus in and will try to justify their inclusion any way I can, even if my reasons are partly due to my own ignorance.

[Kukulcán]

Fair enough, and people like me who don't want them in any future Civ Games or Expansions (other than in DLC) will continue to explain why they don't belong .

[Jazzterisk]

Fair enough, and people like me who don't want them in any future Civ Games or Expansions (other than in DLC) will continue to explain why they don't belong .

We shall agree to disagree.

PS: You're wrong.

[PachaMinnie]

That's not good enough. Being the greedy soul that I am, I want more.

Actually, I just really wants the Zulus in and will try to justify their inclusion any way I can, even if my reasons are partly due to my own ignorance.

The Zulu will get in no matter what. Do not worry

[chrisjwmartin]

I don't care: I said all along that the three I wanted were Carthage, Byzantium and Maya, and I have all three!!! Yes!!!

[JFD]

I guess another European civ - Sweden. Apparantly there was a rumour in March that the last three civs would be Austria, Ethiopia and Sweden. I don't know how credible that is, but I really would like Sweden. However, I would also support the Majapahit because it would offer important diversity (otherwise this expansion will be very eurocentric, and very non-Asian) and the Zulu because there are some people who really want it. But I feel they may save the Zulu for a DLC (what with DLCs being somewhat confirmed for the future), and maybe Portugal as a bundle with Indonesia. In the end though, I'll be happy that Spain's not being counted as amongst the 9.

[Hawk]

Vote not who you think is most likely, but who you think deserves it the most.

Damn it...Voted before I read this.. I think the Majapahit are the most likely, and I really want them in the game, however I believe the absolute most deserving civ not yet in the game is Assyria.

All of the civ on that list as good ideas though!

[PRAILE]

It 100% won't be an African Civ ,,
I Guess It will be an Asian Civ ,, Either from the middle East, or from Eastern Asia

[Radu]

I'm starting to think there's a slight chance it is Brazil. Either that or a Civ they never put before.

[Hawk]

I think a lot of people are voting what they think it'll be instead of what they want, mainly because of the title of this poll "Who is the Last Civ?"...This doesn't really ask what you want, but what you think.

I'm going to list my three thoughts on the Final One:

Most likely: Majapahit
Most deserving: Assyria
Most wanted by me: Sioux


@PRAILE, I agree that there won't be another African civ in this expansion, but the Zulu are pretty much a definite DLC civ - I've said this before, the developers will make more money this way, and they know it!

[Jazzterisk]

@PRAILE, I agree that there won't be another African civ in this expansion, but the Zulu are pretty much a definite DLC civ - I've said this before, the developers will make more money this way, and they know it!

That's an excellent point about the Zulu's. They are very much a desired Civ among a lot of players so it makes real economic sense to have it as a straight DLC because it will be a big, big seller. The expansion will sell well regardless of whether the Zulu's are in it.

I'm starting to wonder about Brasil now. That would be a really cool new Civ.

[Joketa]

Well, saw Warsaw in as a CS in the new demo, so it's not Poland. Colombo is in there too, so it isn't Sri Lanka like so many of you thought.