[sarcasm]Originally Posted by steveg700
Really its a joke?
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I bet by CivVII the AI will be so smart that it can come up with his own comments and plays like a human would, or better than a human would. Even the best player will lose to the weakest AI all the time.
Well, if it plays like a human, then just like Civ multiplayer, the only victory condition would be domination.
Am I the only one who recognises the parody?
Also, it's true there's really no topic. This thread is obviously one great parody.
Nope. I can never remember precisely who the original quote is form. Einstein? Oppenheimer?
It was indeed Einstein, in 1947:
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
Kid, you're waaaay too late.
The first Civ VI thread began like one week after Civ V's release.
Dude, we are talking about CivVII here.
And kudo's to Zeph and BGOM. Well played.
Well let's be real here. It's not THAT hard to exude an aura of intellect on an internet forum. Doesn't make someone necessarily 'smart'.
lol you guys are silly, given their track record, CIVII will come out like around 2020.
Most of us will be dead by then because of a financial collapse, WW3, and full government take over (martial law - United States)
Just don't blame Obama, a mere puppet.
You make me look positively reasonable.lol you guys are silly, given their track record, CIVII will come out like around 2020.
Most of us will be dead by then because of a financial collapse, WW3, and full government take over (martial law - United States)
Just don't blame Obama, a mere puppet.
Last edited by stethnorun; 04-02-2012 at 12:27 PM.
well I lol'd
wait you forgot about the supposed doomsday in 2012.lol you guys are silly, given their track record, CIVII will come out like around 2020.
Most of us will be dead by then because of a financial collapse, WW3, and full government take over (martial law - United States)
Just don't blame Obama, a mere puppet.
I feel in the future we will look something like the Hunger games society, lol
Happy Hunger Games!
And may the odds be ever in our favour...
lol, so true
Shall we get all excited about Twilight on here too?
Team Inquisition ftw. Let us slaughter these werewolve and vampire scum
Am I the only one that picked up on that? The old quote " I do not know what World War 3 will be fought with but World War 4 will be fought with Sticks and stones " which is impossible really because humanity cannot blast itself back into Africa and destroy thousands of years of progress though we do try hard dammit! I mean come on, screw Kony. You think that dude deserves to be THIS famous? He's just some uneducated zelot who used to capture children and make them either slaves for certain things *hint hint* or train them to blow the heads off of civilians and poorly trained and equipped militia. I don't like how people see him as some Hitler equalivalent. My god Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Tojo, Pol Pot, Ho Chi [ching chang chong chinaman] min, all of these dudes poured out their HEARTS [ or other peoples hearts ] to get the hatred of western nations, some don't deserve it yes, but they deserve it more than Kony. I vote we make the L.R.A. a civ in civilization 7, we put Kony on the front getting slapped by Stalin [ another leader in civ 7 ] Hitler should also be a leader, I do not care what you do to his appearence, he could be wearing a toto and could only speak through a barbershop quaralet composed of only gay men. Give him a feminine accent and have him constantly flail his arms around saying sieg me only to giggle at the very thought. Someone once told me the only difference between a gay and a Nasi is something like 45 degrees, as in the arm salute and the wave, this could be taken as an insult to the gay community [ a group I deeply respect ] or a insult to the Party of bald headed punks who call themselves "nazis" Please. Hitler would be ashamed to hear that his party is now composed of a couple troubled teens and former KKK members all of whom are bald and sorely uneducated. He would be angry, I mean half of them could count as mentally handicapped and the rest are gypsies. He would kill them all and start over. Then he would be killed by a gang of Afrocan Amuricans on their way to their favorite hangout, the bowling arena. Where one of them, named David, had a high score last game and they are all hoping to beat him. Their good Costa Rican friend Raul works their and he always gives them nice discounts on their shoes. They have another buddy who works at the local KFC named Chang, who although they never go to the KFC because they belive it is bad for you and KFC tortures the animals, they still drop in to visit Chang. Sometimes they see their buddies Hans, Krill, Danny De Vito, and McCross at the local Pepboys. Who are there to try to get some experience fixing cars so they can go to that collage that I always see a commercial for but I can never remember the name. Ah America, the great Melting Wok. It's funny because the Native Americans are forced to live on reservations while people from all over the world can live in peace and quiet getting slightly less than minimum wage living in some shanty New York apartment complex dreaming of the mother country. GOD BLESS AMERICA MY HOME SWEEEETTTT HHHOOOMMMEEE. I demand they put in the Zulu. Did you know humans hate each other so much for no reason that the Cambodian government or Khmer Rouge had a specific tree that was used to smash infants heads in so they wouldn't take revenge for their parents being killed by the same government? Amazing, just simply amazing how much humans really hate each other for no reason.It was called the Chankiri tree. There's some depth right there, get a message saying you've found a family fighting your rule in Civ 7, well, send their kids to the Chan tree and the parents to a prison cell to be executed the next day. Funny how a device most people in that country don't own and hadn't even existed yet back then is used for this. Whats even more freaking hilarious is the fact that we judge a country based on it's past. Like, since Cambodia had those problems everyone was and is doom and gloom. As though everyone was affected and everyone narrowly escaped death. Every tried to find an educated person in a 3rd world country? You can't find very many. One of the things Fidel Castro did while he was battling Balista was finding educated people to teach the peasants. Ernesto 'Che' Guevara was basicly the only person in Cuba that had given medical attention to the peasants, he was for some the first doctor they had ever seen. Some came to see him just to see a real life doctor. I have no real idea why I posted this, good bye
The typing hands post, and, having posted, moves on.
You read all that? wow... I am impressed. You may become the hero of Skyrim after all. DOVAKHIN DOVAKHIN FUS DO RAH
I read American very fast. It's a.. talent.. of mine
Learn paragraph breaks, dude. This is impossible to read.
He's either drunk, high or sleep deprived. Fun fact, it is more dangerous to drive when tired than at any other time
I'll remember that the next time I'm eat-texting while driving. And no, I'm not joking. I text, talk and eat while driving as a form of protest, dammit!
I used to as well. Craziest thing I've ever seen was my wife doing her make up while she drove. Completely baffled me.
Eh, I prefer Team Van Helsing.
No, you're not the only person to pick up on that quote. It was rather obvious, after all.
And no, it would not be impossible to bomb ourselves back into the stone age. Honestly, we are all so reliant on modern technology in the West, that it's actually rather frightening.
Take this for an example: I live in Connecticut, in a pretty rural area. We don't have any town services for sewage; our water comes from wells, typically modern wells run by electric pumps. There's no natural gas line to tie in to, so all cooking is done on electric ranges (or backyard grills). In our house, we get our telephone service from the cable TV company ... and all our handsets are cordless.
So something as simple as a power outage - like from last summer's hurricanes?
Shuts. Everything. Down.
Seriously, without electric power, we can't even flush our toilets - well, "more than once apiece", anyway; with no power to run the pump we can't draw water from our well, which means we can't refill the tanks, which means the first flush is also the LAST flush until power is restored.
We also have no means of communicating with the outside world - no power means the wireless handsets don't work, and even if we had a wired unit, the device that bridges the gap between interior phone lines and CATV cable needs power to operate.
And meanwhile, drinking water is an issue (though now, with a Poland Springs contract, we at least tend to have 15-30 gallons on hand, and the dispenser needs power only to make it COLD). And when it comes to food ... no power, no refrigerator. None at the grocery stores either. Which means, no meat ... few or no non-canned vegetables ... yeah. Food is a concern.
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All it would take is one high-altitude nuclear detonation, and WHAM, the EMP would shut down the civilian sector for weeks, if not months. Internet, power, all of it. It'd even do nasty things to most cars and trucks - that little computer chip in your car? So much slag, now. Don't bother trying to start the engine.
Sure, our modern civilisation is sitting on a technological pinnacle of epic height. But it wouldn't take much of a push to topples us OFF of it ... and it's a whole LONG way to the bottom ... and the vast majority of us not only don't know how to climb back up, but don't even know how to survive long enough for someone ELSE to build us a nice comfy elevator!
D'you know how to catch small game, like rabbits or even squirrels? How to skin, clean, and cook them? D'you have a weapon capable of taking down something like a deer - rifle, pistol, bow, even a SPEAR ...? And if you did ... would you know how to clean and dress the carcass? Would you know how to butcher it, and then preserve it without refrigeration - salting it, smoking it, whatever?
Where's the nearest source of combustible fuel, that (a) could last you at least two years, and (b) you wouldn't be competing for against a thousand other people? Do you know how to dig a latrine suitable for semi-permanent use, without fouling your own water supply? Do you have a means of heating your house, without electrical power, and eventually, without oil or gas fuel?
For the majority, the VAST majority of people in the Western world, the answer to each and every oneof those questions is "no". These people would all be squarely f***ed. There's just no way to candy-coat that fact. If the entire U.S. lost electrical power, and the rest of the world had enough problems they couldn't rush to our rescue ...?
At least half of us would die within the first six to nine months. That's over two hundred million dead. From exposure, from disease and injury, from starvation and dehydration, and ... from violence, as desperate men and women turn on each other, competing for ever-dwindling stocks of food, water, medicine, and shelter.
And the dying wouldn't stop there, either. Because with all that crap going on, there's not going to be a lot of progress made in fixing things. Noone will have the time for it, plainly enough. So we'd keep dying, in teh thousands and the millions. Maybe, maybe things would stabilise two or three years out.
But by then, I'd guess that 80% or more of us wouldn't be around to celebrate that. And furthermore, "stabilise" is by no means the same as "return to the way it was before". No, we'd stabilise somewhere around the 18th or 19th century .... at best. Quite a deal worse than that, if there's a lot of radiation and fallout, or if biological warfare attacks happen, or even if most of the industrial and educational centers get flat-out nuked.
So, yeah. "Bombed into the stone age" ... it's hyperbole, sure ... but not by all that much. Not really.
((I'm going to ignore the rest of the whackjob-esque ramblings. I only wanted to respond to the one point above.))
I wouldn't think we would ever be bombed back into the stone age, at least if we still have all those moral squeamishness about using nukes and bio weapons. Anyways should WW3 occur most of us would die, but those who do survive will live off the ruins and slowly rebuild. The only way we could be thrown back into the stone age is if someone built a weapon that made us forget everything we knew.
Ah, but that's just the thing. How much do you, personally, know?
For example: I know how incandescent lightbulbs work. But I do not know how to manufacture all of the individual PARTS of them ... especially, the filament itself. So if, in my area, noone who DOES know how to make them survives?
Who would know how to make new lightbulbs?
And that dilemma is easily extrapolated to other technologies.
For example, honestly speaking: do you know how to make a nail ...? How abut a hinge? Not salvage them, mind, but make them. Because if you can't make either of them, and can't find any to salvage ... you can't make a door, either.
So how about making a shovel, or an axe, or a knife, or a hammer, or a hoe, or a rake? Very few people know how to work metal without big machines, nowadays. Blacksmithing is nearly a lost art.
I give you that, but in the stone age those people didn't know anything about those tools, we do and from that we might be able to make semi functioning tools, that those cave men could not.
Besides it will be nearly impossible to wipeout everything salvageable, and man has a terrible gift for making things that kill other people
There is a show call 'The Colony' that would be a semi-decent example of a post war setting
To be honest half the things I said where crap I was tired and I have been extremely sick since Saturday. Forgive me if you had an issue with my post, I mean if it really made you upset than you could have not read it but, I will not judge. I mean I was in to much of a do not care mode to break it. And no I cannot get Drunk or High yet, I am not the age to drink and I am not going to use weed or any of those drugs for that matter. Waste of money. I could just lay still for 30 minutes and go off into inception.
Happy? Yes it would be impossible for man to blow themselves back into the stone age and still have a world war. I mean think about it, here we are super advanced, all of a sudden a bunch of nukes rain down on our heads. We wouldn't lose math or reading writing ability to make swords, riding horses. Religion, I mean I could see Medieval era, but not the stone age.It would either be that or we would just blow the Earth in half.
Unless you are using the stone age as some sort of metaphor here, I dunno it is possible. I mean there would be atleast one survivor who was some sort of Electrician. Or someone that remembered something from 6th grade science. So we could have some form of temporary electricity.
As for weapons, we wouldn't lose every confounded weapon in the world. Weapons and limited ammo could still be found in the right places. I'm sure we could fashion some sort of knife, or remember how to sharpen one. Even if there is one guy that knows how to fashion swords out of metal he could teach someone who would carry on. I mean it isn't a lost art yet, it will be in 70 years.
Finding a nail or some sort of building material wouldn't be THAT hard. I mean most cities aren't his by a nuclear blast and therefore remain somewhat intact. I'm not talking about Atlanta but a small town and when I say somewhat I mean it's not all gloom and doom. Most buildings are still upright. Plus any upright building could be used as a shelter.
The REAL trouble would be food and water.
The problem with that, is this: Electricians may understand how to install electrical wires, but that doesn't mean they know how to design and build a generator. And what you learn in 6th grade science isn't going to tech you to do that, either.
Putting together a power plant, even a small one, requires a lot mroe than merely wiring up a house for lights and electrical plugs. For one, you need a power source. Water flow, steam, wind ... something. A reliable, constant source. Then, you need to build a generator big enough for the demand you want to put on it. And, again, if you can't salvage the individual parts you have to MAKE them.
But extruding wire, casting large iron parts, and even making the magnets you need, just is not something you can easily do without an existing power grid.
I asked if you had one. Sure, maybe there's a gun shop or a sporting-goods store with archery equipment near you. But, what about other people? How many people are there, compared to the quantity of weapons, ammunition, spare parts, and maintenance supplies available? Keep in mind, there won't be trucks pulling in with more of anything, for quite some time ... if ever.As for weapons, we wouldn't lose every confounded weapon in the world.
Cutting or scraping implement, yes. Knife, not so easily, no.I'm sure we could fashion some sort of knife, or remember how to sharpen one.
The number of people who can actually hand-forge a knife or sword is significantly less than 1 in 100,000. That's globally, mind.Even if there is one guy that knows how to fashion swords out of metal he could teach someone who would carry on. I mean it isn't a lost art yet, it will be in 70 years.
The countries of the world have enough nuclear arms to blanket every square inch of land on the planet in nuclear fire multiple times. Besides, it was a general question: I've known an actual blacksmith before. Nails are the easy stuff, apprentice work. If you can't make a simple nail, you certainly shouldn't be fooling around trying to cast parts for a generator.Finding a nail or some sort of building material wouldn't be THAT hard. I mean most cities aren't his by a nuclear blast and therefore remain somewhat intact.
And medicine, and lights, and heat (in colder climes), and transport of people/goods/etc. And communication across any appreciable distance with turnaround times measured in less than days and weeks (if not longer).The REAL trouble would be food and water.
Oh, and sanitation. Real big one right there. Possibly more important than food, even, because it would include disposing of the dead, not merely the wastes of the living.
Oh, surely once things stabilised, recovery would go faster than original invention did, for most things. It's a real motivator to know that something can absolutely be done at all.
Post-plague maybe. Post-nuclear exchange, not so much.There is a show call 'The Colony' that would be a semi-decent example of a post war setting
yes, and unless we wiped each other out with nukes, society will survive and we will surely rebuild faster than it took the first time. Mostly likely enough guns and weapons will be recovered to make make shift bands of militia and some military forces will survive to at least attempt to hold whats left of the nation together.
yes, lets just hope we settle for war the old fashioned way, no nukes
With the good comes also the bad: a lot of the people who have guns (and other weapons) already, and in quantity, are ... shall we say, disinclined to support law and order? Which is to say, put bluntly: criminals. People who would more likely become bandits and raiders, taking by force, than defenders or protectors.
Dresden, 1945.yes, lets just hope we settle for war the old fashioned way, no nukes
You don't need a nuke to reduce a city to smoking rubble and charred corpses. Conventional weapons can do the job just fine.
In reply to Pax
I was going to mention transportation but you have feet. I mean it's not effective but it's the best anyone could do at that point. Horses are going to be all dead if not then severely hurt. Cars? No. Impossible to find one and pretty damn close. It's not like traders will cross the country. Only from city to city. While carrying goods will be a problem transportation won't be a major problem.
Lighting wouldn't be a huge problem either, sure light bulbs would be nice but fire can light the way. Fire can also solve heating problems, sort of. Heat is a problem but surely there could be some coats and blankets around somewhere. Even so many people can sew. Long distance communication would be useless. Most groups will just hold up in some abandoned ruin. I doubt they will need to communicate with their relatives in New Jersey. I guess I forgot about sanitation.
I suppose my knowledge of Nuclear weapons goes as far was the fifties. Ah well, not like we have a snowballs chance in hell of surviving a blanket of radiation over our entire planet.
Even if the number of people that can forge a knife or sword by hand is 1 - 100,000 there is still a chance ONE of them will survive. I never said we would all have an expert sword maker. I said there would be a few remaining after a nuclear extravaganza. Some people will have that feeling of a smooth blade not all.
Electricity, perhaps a 6th Grade American Science class won't teach you how to make a generator [ Chinese maybe ] but they atleast teach you how to make electricity. that could help for temporary light, if you had the parts I suppose. Connect two wires together and get some form of a light sure. There is still a chance of finding those things. The world wouldn't be just ruins with falling stones and bricks. There will be intact [ for the most part ] stores and buildings. You could find things to eat and to use in those places.
Damn Zeph, do you see what you did to my satirical post?!
true, there will be many raiders but not everyone will be like that
yes but its a lot easier to try to salvage things from that city than it would been if it was nuked, at least i don't have to worry about nuclear radiation killing me.Dresden, 1945.
You don't need a nuke to reduce a city to smoking rubble and charred corpses. Conventional weapons can do the job just fine.
and at least the world would be left a lot more habitable if no nukes were used
Okay, foot only, eh?
You're a farmer. The nearest settlement with light industrial capacity is thirty miles away. You have six tons of grain to trade; you need fuel & parts for your generator and water pump, plus medicine (your kid's been sick for a week now). No horse or other large animal, yet - you're hoping to BUY one this year.
So ... how do you get even a quarter of your harvest to market? And how do you get a thousand liters of diesel, plus two tons of parts, BACK to your farm?
That's the kind of transportation I meant.
And even if it's just yourself and at most half a ton of goods. Fine, you need to get to Fort Lauderdale, in Florida. You're in Boston, Massachusetts ... something like twelve hundred miles away. And I'll even be extra-nice: you can have a bicycle with a cargo trailer. So it'll only take you ... oh ... with stops to scavenge food and water, and occasional repair/maintenance supplies for the bike .... call it two months.
Not exactly practical, is it?
If you have a boat, and know how to pilot and maintain it, things improve for SOME routes. But not all of them (i.e., change Boston to Chicago, and even a boat is suddenly not so practical, either).
Not very well, and most people don't know how to make candles, either. Especially not tallow candles, nor do they know how to get beeswax without an almighty number of stings, once the craft-store supplies run out.Lighting wouldn't be a huge problem either, sure light bulbs would be nice but fire can light the way.
I live in New England. Without an active heat source, all the blankets in the world won't save you from a deep winter chill.Fire can also solve heating problems, sort of. Heat is a problem but surely there could be some coats and blankets around somewhere.
And fire isn't an option in most existing structures; fireplaces and hearths are a rarity nowadays, outside of historical sites. so trying to heat yoru home with fire, woudl be dangerous - not just from risk of lighting the whole home on fire, but just from the SMOKE. And, um ... opening a window to let the smoke out, also lets the heat out. Right back to square one, less whatever you just finished burning.
In such a situation, "long distance" would pretty much be "anywhere I can't walk to, and home again, in a single day". So, more than about 6 or 8 miles.Long distance communication would be useless.
I said "significantly less than". And most of them tend to live in rural or semi-rural areas - a forge is not a small thing, and isn't going to be very welcomed by neighbors that live right up against it. So, what are the odds that you can find such a person, in less than a year? Without modern communications to put want-ads out with?Even if the number of people that can forge a knife or sword by hand is 1 - 100,000 there is still a chance ONE of them will survive.
Nowadays, if they're not an expert, they don't know how at all. Seriously.I never said we would all have an expert sword maker. I said there would be a few remaining after a nuclear extravaganza. Some people will have that feeling of a smooth blade not all.
Besides, spears would be more useful than swords. You can hunt with a spear .... with a sword, not so much.
What, a potato battery? ROFLMAO.Electricity, perhaps a 6th Grade American Science class won't teach you how to make a generator [ Chinese maybe ] but they atleast teach you how to make electricity.
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You have a very, very optimistic view of what a "global collapse" woudl be like. Some advice for you: assume the worst, plan for it to be EVEN WORSE, and if it somehow turns out rosy-happy-sunshine-and-puppies like you imagine now, dance a jig for joy.
If I were inclined to do the whole "doomsday prepper" thing, and had the money, I would not settle for less than one entire years' worth of preserved food and water; an extensive library to learn how to farm, forge, and build structures; at least five firearms and two bows, and a like number of melee weapons (spears, knives, etc); several hundred rounds of ammunition for each and every weapon (maybe thousands); medical supplies for any forseeable injury or illness for two years; an extensive array of tools and supplies, especially including solar panels; and a very secure place to put them ... and to put myself, while using them.
I don't have a million bucks to spare, though. Nor the fifty million my true "dream setup" would probably require.
you rent it or borrow from a nearby neighbor you are most likely working with, someone gotta have something nearby, or better yet don't live so far away from nearest town, since raiders will be common you will need to live really close to the man settlement to be safer.
And even if it's just yourself and at most half a ton of goods. Fine, you need to get to Fort Lauderdale, in Florida. You're in Boston, Massachusetts ... something like twelve hundred miles away. And I'll even be extra-nice: you can have a bicycle with a cargo trailer. So it'll only take you ... oh ... with stops to scavenge food and water, and occasional repair/maintenance supplies for the bike .... call it two months.
Not exactly practical, is it?
If you have a boat, and know how to pilot and maintain it, things improve for SOME routes. But not all of them (i.e., change Boston to Chicago, and even a boat is suddenly not so practical, either).
why would you need to travel that far anyways, for any reason? the modern world just ended i don't think you need a vacation to see ruins of once great cities
true,like the old days we can really only work during the day. though if you salvage enough car batteries and if your really lucky some solar panels you can make a make shift power plant for electricity.Not very well, and most people don't know how to make candles, either. Especially not tallow candles, nor do they know how to get beeswax without an almighty number of stings, once the craft-store supplies run out.
many home do have fireplaces, but since most of everything was destroyed you'll be living in newly built structures that will most likely have some sort of place for a fire.I live in New England. Without an active heat source, all the blankets in the world won't save you from a deep winter chill.
And fire isn't an option in most existing structures; fireplaces and hearths are a rarity nowadays, outside of historical sites. so trying to heat yoru home with fire, woudl be dangerous - not just from risk of lighting the whole home on fire, but just from the SMOKE. And, um ... opening a window to let the smoke out, also lets the heat out. Right back to square one, less whatever you just finished burning.
yup, but you can get an effect Currier service going, with horses.In such a situation, "long distance" would pretty much be "anywhere I can't walk to, and home again, in a single day". So, more than about 6 or 8 miles.
It would be sooo much easier to salvage or steal weapons, because there is most certainly weapons to be found everywhere after a war.I said "significantly less than". And most of them tend to live in rural or semi-rural areas - a forge is not a small thing, and isn't going to be very welcomed by neighbors that live right up against it. So, what are the odds that you can find such a person, in less than a year? Without modern communications to put want-ads out with?
Nowadays, if they're not an expert, they don't know how at all. Seriously.
Besides, spears would be more useful than swords. You can hunt with a spear .... with a sword, not so much.
i agreeYou have a very, very optimistic view of what a "global collapse" woudl be like. Some advice for you: assume the worst, plan for it to be EVEN WORSE, and if it somehow turns out rosy-happy-sunshine-and-puppies like you imagine now, dance a jig for joy.
i also agree, hopefully we could find a group to survive with till society starts to reform. The war would destroy much but at least in the US there are so many towns that destroying them all would be an extremely large waste of bombs and troops, and farm land in the mid west not next to ICBM bases and launch points would also be fairly safe from war.If I were inclined to do the whole "doomsday prepper" thing, and had the money, I would not settle for less than one entire years' worth of preserved food and water; an extensive library to learn how to farm, forge, and build structures; at least five firearms and two bows, and a like number of melee weapons (spears, knives, etc); several hundred rounds of ammunition for each and every weapon (maybe thousands); medical supplies for any forseeable injury or illness for two years; an extensive array of tools and supplies, especially including solar panels; and a very secure place to put them ... and to put myself, while using them.
I don't have a million bucks to spare, though. Nor the fifty million my true "dream setup" would probably require.
In any event lets try to avoid such a war, so that we don't have to worry about the surviving/rebuilding of the world
Rent what?
As for the distance, I didn't say "the nearest town", I said "the nearest settlement with light industrial capacity". Not to mention, what if it's the very farm your great-great grandfather first started? One might be reluctant to leave a place like that.
I live in the very north-eastern-most corner of Connecticut.why would you need to travel that far anyways, for any reason? the modern world just ended i don't think you need a vacation to see ruins of once great cities
Meanwhile, I have family in and around Orlando, Florida. Including my very first neice, who was born only four days ago. Gee, you don't think I might want to go see if they're among the living, still?
Or a college student might want to get back home. Or a family who were on vacation when bad things happened.
Or even, simply, because one has been told by sources they consider reliable, that "things are better there" ...?
For as long as those components last, sure. When they break down, when they wear out? Suddenly, you're without again.[...] if you salvage enough car batteries and if your really lucky some solar panels you can make a make shift power plant for electricity.
No, actually, they generally don't. Especially not apartments. And of those that do, many of those fireplaces are not safely useable ... haven't BEEN useable for years or decades. Cracked liners, plugged flues, or even just plain bricked up.many home do have fireplaces,
Horses require a good deal of upkeep. And most people - almost ALL city dewellers - have neitehr a clue how to ride, nor an idea how to care for a horse. Here's a hint: "just let it eat the lawn" won't cut it for more than a couple days, at best.yup, but you can get an effect Currier service going, with horses.
Salvage? Competition. If you don't get there first, you're stuck with the other option, stealing.It would be sooo much easier to salvage or steal weapons, because there is most certainly weapons to be found everywhere after a war.
And that? Means you're planning to attack an armed person while you yourself are unarmed. Good luck with that.
Kid, do yu seriously think that the farmland ITSELF isn't a target? Armies march on their stomaches; if I were a military planner in Russia during the bad-old-Soviet-days, I would definitely allocate a healthy number of missiles to those farmlands. Possibly in preference to cities: nuke the city, kill everyone inside it. Nuke the farmlands, kill everyone there and make the city starve to death. Two birds with one bomb.[...] least in the US there are so many towns that destroying them all would be an extremely large waste of bombs and troops, and farm land in the mid west not next to ICBM bases and launch points would also be fairly safe from war.
^_^In any event lets try to avoid such a war, so that we don't have to worry about the surviving/rebuilding of the world
Even without planning for an "end of the world" scenario, it's still useful to prepare for a disaster. Look at what happened in New Orleans, following Hurricane Katrinai ... and there, the rest of the world WAS able to send help.
Everyone, yes everyone, should have a supply of food and water (or better, water-purification supplies) laid in somewhere safe. There are freeze-dried food products that have a shelf life of over twenty years, that are good for this. My personal goal, with a family of five (three here, two next door) is to have enough food for all of us for at least 2, or preferably 3-4, months' time. On the one hand, if somethign happened that interrupts the normal functioning of society (i.e., Katrina), we have food for ourselves. On the other hand, we would also have surplus food with which to trade for other needed things with our neighbors ... even if we GIVE it away, and in so doing, "Trade for" nothing mroe than the good-will of no-longer-desperate neighbors.
Other good things to have are a way to light rooms and paths (rechargeable batteries and solar panels work well; so do long-duration chemical lights); high quality first-aid supplies; a way to signal for help (flares, flags, etc); a way to listen for instructions from outside authorities (hand-crank-powered radio).
Rope and paracord in significant quantities, always useful. Some small tools, including shovels, hatchets, a hammer, a prybar, etc - for processing wood into fuel, for aiding in rescue efforts, for assembling temporary shelter, for digging/building a latrine, etc. A tarp or two, preferably waterproof, for shelter and/or as a rain catcher. A large bucket, to store water in. Waterproof, windproof matches are a MUST. Blankets, including those hyper-foldable mylar ones. Bags and backpacks and such to carry all of it in. Honestly, a bicycle or adult-sized tricycle - preferably with a cargo trailer, and definitely with spare tires, inner tubes, etc. Great for getting around if cars and trucks are impractical, or if you think you should save your limited supply of fuel.
Everyone should get as much of that together as they can - space and finances permitting. Even if the worst that happens is, a blizzard snows you in, or a tornado/hurricane/etc blocks the only road in/out of your town ... you won't need to worry, you'll already have everything you need.
Which means YOU won't be among those panicking, rioting, o otherwise getting involved in high-risk, violence-prone situations. Instead, you'll be buttoned up nice, safe, and cozy in your own home, waiting the problem out.
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