Yeah, I've definitely enjoyed that role City-States fill, getting nations in that don't really make the grade for Civvitude: Sydney, Quebec City (though I may have preferred Toronto), Geneva, Marrakech, Venice... Very cool stuff. Hey, back on topic, any new word on things? I thought Greg was going to hit us with a few more details about the Mayans after he got back from Seattle?
I wonder if they're planning on a big reveal sometime down the line, and/or are still playing around with the mechanics of it. In an interview where the Mayans are brought up, it was mentioned by a member of the design team that if you were playing as the Mayans you'd be on a different calendar system to everyone else, affecting your gameplay in unique ways as the turns progressed. I assume it's linked in some way to dates, and isn't necessarily something that has the same value throughout the game.Originally Posted by wingednosering
What I'm musing on a bit more is a comment made on the demo video about beliefs staying with the player "as long as [you] control the religion". I wonder if that's just accidental/clumsy wording or if there is a way to either gain control over extra religions or lose control over the one you found. Btw I'm already aware that it'll only be possible to found a maximum of one religion per Civ that manages to do so.
Well he told us their UU was the Atlatl at one point. As for the questions, he said he was asking them to record a bunch of podcasts, so I don't think the intention ever was to go back to that thread and post info. Who knows when they'll release the podcasts, though.
"Now we are all sons of ☺☺☺☺☺es"
So, the two unique luxuries owned exclusively by city-states are jewelry and porcelain (apparently, toiletsmithing is a recondite art that has eluded the great empires). Now, we've Morocco pegged as a jewelry CS. Can we sleuth any more for either unique luxury?
I was expecting there to be more than two luxuries -- an obvious third would be Glass. I REALLY don't like the idea of a luxury being jewelry. All the luxuries are raw materials, and jewelry is a product. Jokes aside, porcelain fits as it require certain kinds of clay and artisans not found everywhere. The term "fine China" is evidence of this. I thought glass was going to be one, too, for pretty much the same reasons, also what with Venice being in the game.
Jewelry... every civilization everywhere has been making jewelry since forever. It doesn't make sense to me. They could go with some kind of rare, expensive wood, like Yew, or perhaps Rubber... Jewelry already has representation with Gold, Silver and Gems.
True. Jewelry can be made from any sort of precious or semi-precious gems and/or metals. Of course, keeping porcelain out of China's hands also strains disbelief.
I don't know if it's worth an update to the original post, but the guys on CivFanatics have deciphered pretty much all of what could be seen from the demo video regarding the Pantheon, Founder, and First Follower believes - http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=458687 . I can see just the Pantheon believes here, so could the rest be added?
Okay, so this month's Game Informer magazine has an article on Civ 5: G&K. I'm reading now and will post any interesting bits.
Hubble Space Telescope is confirmed! The art for it is pictured in the article. Sadly I see no mention of the last unknown civ.
Can you upload the art please?
The following are quotes from the Game Informer article:
"Constructing religious wonders, discovering ancient ruins, and building religious structures like cathedrals also earns faith points."
This shows major ways of gaining faith and confirms that certain wonders will be of a religious nature.
"Players can hasten the spread of their value system by purchasing missionaries to spread the gospel and/or by moving prophets into new cities."
This seems to imply that either Great Prophets can be used to spread your religion or increase the amount of faith you have, not sure really, kinda depends on how you read the quote.
I'll see about uploading a picture of the art for Hubble but it won't be a full resolution pic.
Awesome, can't wait. Interesting that ruins now have faith as well... Gobekli tepe?
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Alright, here is the scan from the magazine of the Hubble Space Telescope art, I rather avoid copyright issues so I cropped out the article.
Awesome! That's also the first view of the Gatling gun icon, I'm definately on the lookout for this now! Cheers for posting it!
Hopefully they'll post this on their website soon.
In the meantime, I've cleaned up the Units and Buildings section and I'll add Founder and Follower beliefs later (probably tomorrow.)
Saw this at civfantics:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpo...09&postcount=1
Useful. Doesn't seem too sketchy. Doesn't seem to say too much either. Nice to know what the Huns UA does
Quote from Civfanatics:
"We will release more information before release. The tech tree is as usual the area which needs the most attention in regard to balance etc. Due to this we cannot release more information. By the way there will be no World War 1 era, we just use this terminology to describe a new class of units. We did add a new era to the tech tree which is supposed to help us expand the post-gunpowder world."
This confirms two things,
1) There is NO World War I/Great War Era
2) There IS A NEW ERA, a post-gunpowder era! (likely that means an era in between Renaissance and Industrial Eras)
So it'll probably be some sort of 'Age of Imperialism'. I don't understand why we need it. The rifleman works perfectly as an Imperial unit.
I'd say Enlightenment Era
Yup, Enlightenment Era is a good one.
Well, we knew there was another era.
But knowing it's not a Great War Era means it could be inserted before the Industrial Era rather than after it. Then you could go from the Industrial (which incorporates the GW units) to the Atomic/Global Era to the Modern/Space/Information Era.
I tend to agree with the comment someone made to the effect that the way musketmen so rapidly beoome riflement simply doesn't give the former much time to shine.
I often just skip musketmen entirely. If I can't upgrade my pikemen to it, I don't care about it's existence.
Maybe they'll add our era, the Cyber Age...
Wouldn't that go hand in hand with Modern Era though? I mean the Cyber Age is apart of the Modern Era no?
Usually from a historical standpoint the Modern Age began a lot earlier than in the civ world. Many historians date it as far back as 1453 with the fall of Constantinople. But then again, in the civ world we call that the Renaissance. Then there's the French Revolution and beginning of the Victorian Age, but that's simply the Industrial era on civ terms. The era that developed after the beginning of the 20th Century and WWI is sometimes even called the Late Modern period.
So what does that make us? Post-Modern, my friend. It'll either be that or the Cyber Age or the Information Age for the new era as my guess.
Huh, I never knew that. Thank you. That is quite interesting.
Actually, from a social and artistic perspective, modernism and the modern age began in the 1850s. It is that period that we label modern and without that labeling of that period we can't have a post-modern label because postmodernism is a distinct reaction to the "modernity" that came out of the hundred years between 1850 and 1950. The atomic bomb ended modernity.
and that's why I dislike 'po-mo'. What are we now? "something after 'post-modern?'" It sounds dumb to say, so that must be true.
'Modern' does have 'two' meanings - one is 'now' and the other started right after the "dark ages" Period. There is no 'post-modern'.
It's true. We're post-post-modern. Personally, I'm looking forward to post-post-modernism the sixth. I bet we'll have our ☺☺☺☺ together by then.
Anyway, if everything after the middle ages is modern, as broad history describes, then we'd only have Ancient, Classical, Medieval, and Modern in the game. There would be no Renaissance, no Age of Enlightenment, and no Industrial eras. I think they are going with "Modernity" as their definition of the modern era. We didn't have modern architecture until nearly the 20th century.
well, yeah, that's the problem with using the term 'modern' - You're always in it, so the next people down the road have to pick something dumber to call themselves.
I don't know if you remember, but long ago, in the dark ages of electronics/computers (pre-yesterday), we started with 'X', then it became 'Advanced X', then 'something X', then 'Ultimate X' then... marketing people put themselves into the stupidest corner imaginable, because no one would 'ever' make something better.
The same goes for using 'modern' as a time reference. Sure, the people at the time thought they were 'modern' but it's a bad idea for us to consider them 'modern' as a reference point.
I thought it was "Post-post-modern", much like now they say "Homo-sapien-sapiens" - at least that's what I heard.
At any rate, "Modern" is like saying "Contemporary", and so if we were living in ancient Egypt we would call that "modern", so that's not really this era's title, but what we call it until it's over.
Cyber Age makes a lot of sense, and paints an easier picture in your mind than "Information Age".
My question is, what do we call each era separately? As in Modern, Post-Modern, and Post-Post-Modern? Assuming the ones before P.P.M are not also Cyber Age.
Except that I've never seen 'Cyber Age' be used.
Digital Age, sure, Information Age, definitely, Atomic Age, obviously.
Ofc, 'ages' started getting really short lately (20-ish years) if you listen to marketing people (in various formats).
All these tags and labels seem to be an attempt to explain and rationalize how today is different than yesterday but this approach is hindered by a lack of external perspective and currentitus. I wonder what any historian 2000 years from now will make of this current span of time. It won't be 20 year bites. I'd think the historical perspective will go from technical plateau/stagnation state to technical plateau/stagnation state spanning a period of hundreds of years, not tens and that our current epoch will be that of applied science and the shift from man based power/effort to machine/device effort. The Atomic age, computer age etc. are all milestones inthe current era but not the same thing as "agriculture" in human history.
Ditto here. Oddly, when I've posted this criticism, I usually get people lining up to defend musketmen.
In 2000 years, how can this be known as anything other than the Age of Waste? We'll have long since used up all the fossil fuels frivolously, and most likely won't have any alternatives that will let us all drive cars down the road. And no disposable plastics either. We'll look like a bunch of spoiled @SShats. They're just jealous we had it so good, natch.
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I'd like to see Mecca as as religious city state too, but I think it's not gonna happen.
There seems to be some confusion surrounding the concept of Modern and Post-Modern ages. When historians use this term, they aren't using it in the colloquial sense. Rather they are referring to the concepts of Modernity and Modernism (capital "m") - a collection of economic, social, and political upheavals and a specific set of ideals that were contemporaneously defined as "modern". The term Post-Modern refers to ways in which the world have moved beyond the concept of Modernity.
Technically, wouldn't a post-gunpowder era in the game come after the industrial. I mean I'm not 100%, but weren't the WWI-type rifles some of the first not to use the classic gunpowder as propellant? In Napoleonic times they still did. So I'm pretty sure the era is still gonna between Industrial and Modern. Plus, it wouldn't make much sense to add a bunch of new Great War era units and an era in a entirely different place--they just won't be calling it the Great War era is all.
Also, @Joketa, what has come since postmodernism that would make it post-postmodern? The only reaction to postmodern aesthetics that I have heard of is "modernism is better". And in philosophy, isn't postmodernism just starting to gain a wider acceptance?
My apologies if this has been addressed but what changes are going to be filtered down stream to Vanilla Civ5 and what will stay in the G&K expansion?
Nothing has been said, but one can easily assume virtually no gameplay changes or additions. You'll see stuff like MP animations, improved stability, improved AI, fixes to the code etc. etc. All of the new techs, units, espionage, religions, leaders, civs, etc. you'll have to buy the expansion for.
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