News blackout? No DLC? No expansion? Relax...

[AstronomerOfSyrinx]

No, there hasn't been a constant bombardment of DLC. No, we haven't gotten any patch info for a few weeks. No, they haven't announced any expansions yet.

But come on... Civ V is a solid game and it's gone through a lot of improvements in the last year. I think it's too bad those of you moaning about a lack of new stuff can't just work around the bugs and enjoy the game for what it is right now.

Some people here are acting like Civ V is unplayable but if those of you would just unfurrow your brows and take a breath you might just have some fun.
Civ 6, for christs sake? Get real. That's not for like 3 or 4 more years. I'm fairly sure we'll see plenty of new content for V before then.

In my opinion, for every one thing wrong with Civ V, it does twenty things right. I think it's the best installment yet and I'm looking forward to the upcoming holidays when we might see some new stuff.

So relax, don't lose your cool, and have some patience.


Side note: Any of you Civ fans excited for Stronghold 3?

[mj2c]

So you thought you'd have a moan about people moaning? Lol

[AstronomerOfSyrinx]

So you thought you'd have a moan about people moaning? Lol

I'm not really going to dignify that with any more of a response.

[anandus]

Oh, I'm definitely loving Civ 5 as it is.
But, more is always better. 22 Civs? Make it 30. No 40. More wonders. More everything. More more more!
It's the ultimate luxury of choice

[AstronomerOfSyrinx]

Oh, I'm definitely loving Civ 5 as it is.
But, more is always better. 22 Civs? Make it 30. No 40. More wonders. More everything. More more more!
It's the ultimate luxury of choice

Yeah, I'm excited to see what rolls out next! I personally want more technology choices so hopefully they come out with some kind of "mechanics"-focused DLC.

[mj2c]

I'm not really going to dignify that with any more of a response.

Rule of thumb: If you can't take it, don't dish it.

[AstronomerOfSyrinx]

Rule of thumb: If you can't take it, don't dish it.

That's just, like, your opinion, man.
(I think you missed the point of my post)

[inseeisyou]

Are you worried that your dad is going to lose his position with 2K or something?

[mj2c]

That's just, like, your opinion, man.
(I think you missed the point of my post)

Lol! Self-awareness clearly not your strength is it. Well each to their own

[AstronomerOfSyrinx]

Are you worried that your dad is going to lose his position with 2K or something?

No, I just think some of the folks here ought to chill the ☺☺☺☺ out and enjoy a few rounds.

[AstronomerOfSyrinx]

Lol! Self-awareness clearly not your strength is it. Well each to their own

Spare me. How about you take your hostile attitude someplace else.

[inseeisyou]

Spare me. How about you take your hostile attitude someplace else.

My hostile attitude? For someone preaching relaxing, coolness, and patience you are sure quick to anger! You start a thread with no purpose other than to get your fanboy on, what kind of response do you expect? :P

[AstronomerOfSyrinx]

My hostile attitude? For someone preaching relaxing, coolness, and patience you are sure quick to anger! You start a thread with no purpose other than to get your fanboy on, what kind of response do you expect? :P

Uhh... I'm really not angry at you, man.
I'm just looking for some comradery from those who appreciate this game instead of constantly bashing it.

And I'm not "getting my fanboy on". I've made totally innocent threads in this forum seeking interesting commentary that ended up turning into bash-fests. It's like some people only come here to complain about the game and I wish they would chill out.

[dukeisaac]

Yes Civ V is fun since it received it improvements throughout the year. I enjoy playing it. But it still leaves me empty after I play. The state it is in now is how it should have been at release. When I compare the Civ IV experience to the CiV one, the first one was a more fulfilling game. Ill admit that this conclusion comes after more than a year of waiting for BTS, so theres still hope for CiV. Im just eager that they bring it to the next level.

[AstronomerOfSyrinx]

Yes Civ V is fun since it received it improvements throughout the year. I enjoy playing it. But it still leaves me empty after I play. The state it is in now is how it should have been at release. When I compare the Civ IV experience to the CiV one, the first one was a more fulfilling game. Ill admit that this conclusion comes after more than a year of waiting for BTS, so theres still hope for CiV. Im just eager that they bring it to the next level.

What's BTS?

You know, I didn't play a ton of Civ IV and what I did play was like years after it came out. Now I'm not totally sure about its state when it came out originally, but I'm willing to bet it went through a lot of changes after its release. I'm sorry you're disappointed with the game, though. Do you play with friends or are you usually solo?

[mj2c]

Uhh... I'm really not angry at you, man.
I'm just looking for some comradery from those who appreciate this game instead of constantly bashing it.

And I'm not "getting my fanboy on". I've made totally innocent threads in this forum seeking interesting commentary that ended up turning into bash-fests. It's like some people only come here to complain about the game and I wish they would chill out.

Well when you dismiss other peoples views (which are just as legitimate as yours) as moaning then you are hardly in a position to start preaching. Giving people advise is great but then it really is incumbent on you to follow it yourself. As I said self-awareness.

[Jazzterisk]

To take this in a slightly different direction, I think that you, the OP, are mistaking moaning for passion for the game. People love it so much that they can envision how much better it could be; or they are excited by the prospect of an expansion.

I think another thing that everyone, including myself, are dismayed about is the absence of any communication over the past few months which is odd even for 2K. There had been, over the previous 10 months, fairly regular posts from 2K but those have dried up. I am slightly concerned that the game may have run it course in the eyes of 2K and no further updates or additions are planned. However, I feel it is more likely, and thus excited, by the possibility that this 'blackout' may be in preparation for a big announcement with regards to the game, namely an expansion.

Of course, I will give you the point that there have been some, to say it kindly, moaning, about the game.

[mj2c]

What's BTS?

Beyond The Sword.

[AstronomerOfSyrinx]

To take this in a slightly different direction, I think that you, the OP, are mistaking moaning for passion for the game. People love it so much that they can envision how much better it could be; or they are excited by the prospect of an expansion.

I think another thing that everyone, including myself, are dismayed about is the absence of any communication over the past few months which is odd even for 2K. There had been, over the previous 10 months, fairly regular posts from 2K but those have dried up. I am slightly concerned that the game may have run it course in the eyes of 2K and no further updates or additions are planned. However, I feel it is more likely, and thus excited, by the possibility that this 'blackout' may be in preparation for a big announcement with regards to the game, namely an expansion.

Of course, I will give you the point that there have been some, to say it kindly, moaning, about the game.

Yeah, you're right, I guess some are really passionate about it and want more. I can see that, but I guess I just don't understand the large dissatisfaction felt by some of the community here. I mean, Civ can always be better somehow in a lot of people's eyes but what we've got right now is a good game. My long-distance friend and I play it often and we have a great time.

Also, this is really the only forum I visit about a computer game I like. Maybe the same thing was happening on Westwood's forums after Red Alert 2 came out (or after Civ IV came out for that matter).

[AstronomerOfSyrinx]

Yes Civ V is fun since it received it improvements throughout the year. I enjoy playing it. But it still leaves me empty after I play. The state it is in now is how it should have been at release. When I compare the Civ IV experience to the CiV one, the first one was a more fulfilling game. Ill admit that this conclusion comes after more than a year of waiting for BTS, so theres still hope for CiV. Im just eager that they bring it to the next level.

What was more fulfilling about 4? Like I said, I didn't play too much of it. I played Civ 2 the most.
(edit: originally quoted the wrong guy, my bad)

[inseeisyou]

What was more fulfilling about IV? Like I said, I didn't play too much of it.

(edit: originally quoted the wrong guy, my bad)

No advertisements were ever inserted into the game with stealthy patches delivered through Steam. For one.

[AstronomerOfSyrinx]

No advertisements were ever inserted into the game with stealthy patches delivered through Steam. For one.

I'm sorry, man, but I don't really get it. :/
Does a CivWorld ad really detract from Civ V for you? (Not trying to be a jerk, I just want to understand)

[dukeisaac]

What was more fulfilling about 4? Like I said, I didn't play too much of it. I played Civ 2 the most.
(edit: originally quoted the wrong guy, my bad)

Well first of, there was an actual diplomatic victory. You had to work with some civs and against others in order to get it. Religion, while some criticise it as halting diplomacy, actually made the game very unpredictable, depending on how it spread and which civ was the religious leader. Having the dutch leaders of buddhism versus the aztecs made for very different games. There were vassals, which permitted you to have a positive outcome in war, without eliminating your opponents totally. Diplomacy was better balanced with more positive aspects in the game, permitting you to actually have allies, not convenient friends. You were allowed more elbow room on the international stage, so declaring war once would not label you warmonger for the whole game. There were random events, which addded freshness to the game, interesting opportunities and additional challenges.

And a bunch of other minor details which shows that the game was quality tested before launch or not. In addition, I feel the devs wanted to give a deeper Civ experience in the fourth installment, instead of a 'prettier', more accessible one, in order to sell more. I do understand that we are still in the beginning of CiV, and that there are hopefully a lot more stuff to be added, but still, it smells corporate sell-out everywhere. Which is pretty universal in gaming today.

Long story short, that is what gave me a 'deeper' experience in Civ IV than CiV.

[sectoid]

Ok so there is one advert in the main menu. Big whoop. Some people are REALLY trying hard to find something to complain about.

[inseeisyou]

It isn't the ad itself by any means. I agree, one little flashy add in the corner of my game screen is nothing compared to the thousands of brand names I am exposed to on a daily basis.

It is the attitude of a company that has the time to develop and deliver this little gem to us while refusing to even stop in their own official forums once in a while to let us to touch base. *Especially* when the forums are rife with "Hello? Anyone from 2K out there" threads. Or even better "What is this newest patch, does anyone know?!" It speaks volumes about their attitude toward us, the consumer, and I am surprised more people are not upset.

[anandus]

It isn't the ad itself by any means. I agree, one little flashy add in the corner of my game screen is nothing compared to the thousands of brand names I am exposed to on a daily basis.

It is the attitude of a company that has the time to develop and deliver this little gem to us while refusing to even stop in their own official forums once in a while to let us to touch base. *Especially* when the forums are rife with "Hello? Anyone from 2K out there" threads. Or even better "What is this newest patch, does anyone know?!" It speaks volumes about their attitude toward us, the consumer, and I am surprised more people are not upset.

Even though I'm quite fond of Civ5 and often find myself defending the game, I do agree with you.
In this topic I created (which also contains a little guide how to remove the ad, it's 30 seconds work), I also expressed my discontent with the lack of communication. to quote myself:

But I'm a bit annoyed that
A. It's the second time they're advertising Civworld. Was one time not enough?
B. The whole news-blackout (about Patches, DLC or Expansions) is very frustrating
C. I was disappointed when I thought it was a patch, but it was just an ad that has nothing to do with the game.

Look, I don't mind Steam, nor do I even mind ads, really, but this long total silence and then the only thing we 'hear' is an ad really doesn't go well with me.
And I really do like the game, wish Firaxis the best and, as said, wouldn't mind an ad once in a while if that keeps Firaxis running. Be it Civworld, Nike or Viagra.
But I'd like to hear something. Anything. It doesn't have to be details or dates or whatever. Just a simple "we're working on something" would be enough.
A little bit of communication goes a long way.

[alcibiades]

While I think that Civ4 might have been an overall better - or at least "bigger", as in having a wider range in its gameplay - game than Civ5, I actually think I enjoy playing Civ5 (since the last couple of patches) more than I did Civ4. Maybe its just because it suites my playing style (which is more culture than warfare), but I still haven't got my hands down from celebrating the fact that the days of being trampled by a gazilion ancient era units would loose you the game when you were in the modern era. Thank you for the new one-unit-in-each-tile system, even if there are a few things that could be improved.

So yeah, Civ5 still isn't fully developed, and I think with some more additions would make it a fantastic game. So what would I like to see? Here are a couple of suggestions:
- More late-game stuff to do. This one is massive, and was why I think Beyond The Sword was one of the greatest expansions to any game ever. Corporations? Yes please, particularly since we don't really have a good use for bonus ressources yet (bonus ressource system really needs a work over).
- More buildings, wonders and units in mid and late game. Why is it that once you hit industrial era, in all Civ games there suddenly are so many techs adding next to nothing? It makes late game very boring imo.
- More content in general! More civs are always nice, more Wonders are also good, but what I also would like is broadening of what there is - such as more unique buildings tied to ressources, more city-state quests, etc. More national wonders would also be nice (like why isn't there as "Shakespeare's Theatre" (or National Theatre if you want) when you have build Theatres in all towns?).

[WarlordDM]

- More buildings, wonders and units in mid and late game. Why is it that once you hit industrial era, in all Civ games there suddenly are so many techs adding next to nothing? It makes late game very boring imo.

Honestly I would say expand the Ancient and Classical era, I love having Ancient and Classical wars. I feel like all the Ancient UU's miss the window of effectiveness too quickly.

[anandus]

Honestly I would say expand the Ancient and Classical era, I love having Ancient and Classical wars. I feel like all the Ancient UU's miss the window of effectiveness too quickly.

I agree, classical can use another tier.

[Jazzterisk]

I guess I just don't understand the large dissatisfaction felt by some of the community here.

That perplexes me as well. I wonder if those people who express such fervent dissatisfaction are just as passionate but just expressing it rather bluntly. Of course, we both know that there are those who dislike the game and only come her to stir the pot. I don't actually mind them that much as it keeps the forum colourful at least.

[Jazzterisk]

While I think that Civ4 might have been an overall better - or at least "bigger", as in having a wider range in its gameplay - game than Civ5, I actually think I enjoy playing Civ5 (since the last couple of patches) more than I did Civ4. Maybe its just because it suites my playing style (which is more culture than warfare), but I still haven't got my hands down from celebrating the fact that the days of being trampled by a gazilion ancient era units would loose you the game when you were in the modern era. Thank you for the new one-unit-in-each-tile system, even if there are a few things that could be improved.

So yeah, Civ5 still isn't fully developed, and I think with some more additions would make it a fantastic game. So what would I like to see? Here are a couple of suggestions:
- More late-game stuff to do. This one is massive, and was why I think Beyond The Sword was one of the greatest expansions to any game ever. Corporations? Yes please, particularly since we don't really have a good use for bonus ressources yet (bonus ressource system really needs a work over).
- More buildings, wonders and units in mid and late game. Why is it that once you hit industrial era, in all Civ games there suddenly are so many techs adding next to nothing? It makes late game very boring imo.
- More content in general! More civs are always nice, more Wonders are also good, but what I also would like is broadening of what there is - such as more unique buildings tied to ressources, more city-state quests, etc. More national wonders would also be nice (like why isn't there as "Shakespeare's Theatre" (or National Theatre if you want) when you have build Theatres in all towns?).

I completely agree. I too feel that Civ IV is more fully featured but honestly, as much as I hate to say it, V is funner (I know it's wrong I just like sound of the word).

Certainly, with some continued support and game play additions, V will easily surpass IV which is no mean feat.

[alcibiades]

Honestly I would say expand the Ancient and Classical era, I love having Ancient and Classical wars. I feel like all the Ancient UU's miss the window of effectiveness too quickly.

Well, I'm not so much talking units as all the rest. There is almost a plethora of modern era units (melee, naval, siege, air, nukes, etc.), but it's all the rest I miss: There are not really a lot of buildings to build, you can't do anything to develop the maps, there are only a handful of wonders, etc. So if you don't do war, modern era is pretty much just sitting around and waiting for you to reach victory one way or the other.

As for ancient and classical era, I'm not sure if there need to be a lot more units, but maybe one could come up with something? It seems the real jumps happen when you go Swordsman -> Longswordsman and later when Infantry comes into play. Classical era seems pretty fluid with Warriors, Spearmen, Pikemen and Swordsmen not being huge jumps compaired to each other.

[_Pax_]

Rule of thumb: If you can't take it, don't dish it.

Rule of thumb: if you don't have the word "moderator" under your name, you're not God's Gift to the Forum and should probably keep your aspersions to yourself.

[SlickSlicer]

multiplayer still sucks

sequels/spin offs: At some point they are going to go the Age of Empires route and start making "Civilization: Medieval" "Imperial Civilization," etc. to focus more on deepening certain eras.

[inseeisyou]

Next DLC will be Civilization 5 meets the Sims.

Just imagine when your War Elephant's Bladder meter goes into the red...

[SlickSlicer]

Next DLC will be Civilization 5 meets the Sims.

Just imagine when your War Elephant's Bladder meter goes into the red...

I imagine...GOTY.

[mj2c]

Rule of thumb: if you don't have the word "moderator" under your name, you're not God's Gift to the Forum and should probably keep your aspersions to yourself.

What aspersions are those? Do you know what the word actually means or did just sound good in your head?

I make whatever comments or views I choose when I choose, I don't need a moderators permission nor yours come to that. If I have broken any rules your mods are free to kick me from here.

[_Pax_]

What aspersions are those?

The derogatory remarks you've been making all along.

Do you know what the word actually means [...] ?

Per Merriam-Webster, "a damaging or derogatory remark or criticism". Which pretty much sums up the totality of your posts in this thread: "derogatory remarks and criticisms".

I make whatever comments or views I choose when I choose, [...]

And when those comments are rude and insolent, you had best stand ready to accept being called on it. Because if you're not ready to stand by the tone and character of your posts, then you shouldn't be making them in the first place. And that's not MY rule, either, son. It's simple, basic human behavior. One common to every single culture ever extant upon the face of this planet ... which is true of vanishingly few such standards of behavior, given the astonishing diversity of cultures spun out by our species over the millenia.

Which is to say: you would do well to follow your own advice.

[mj2c]

The derogatory remarks you've been making all along.
Per Merriam-Webster, "a damaging or derogatory remark or criticism". Which pretty much sums up the totality of your posts in this thread: "derogatory remarks and criticisms".

I already know what it meant but I'm glad you've now found out. First of all I was pointing out the irony of someone dismissing views he didn't like as moaning whilst seemingly being oblivious of the fact that he was doing exactly the same thing.

And when those comments are rude and insolent, you had best stand ready to accept being called on it. Because if you're not ready to stand by the tone and character of your posts, then you shouldn't be making them in the first place. And that's not MY rule, either, son. It's simple, basic human behavior. One common to every single culture ever extant upon the face of this planet ... which is true of vanishingly few such standards of behavior, given the astonishing diversity of cultures spun out by our species over the millenia.
Which is to say: you would do well to follow your own advice.

I was neither rude nor insolent. That's a windmill of your own creation you are titling at there son. The whole purpose of a discussion board is to discuss, no? Discussions tend to involve opinions and differences. It's the nature of the beast. The OP may not that, you may not like that but I really don't care about that.

I do stand by what I said and the way I said it because I am the one to decide what is appropriate and the owners of the board can judge whether I'm welcome here or not. The arbiter of my behaviour is most definitely not you.

BTW did the "Moderator" under you're name fall off? Oh the irony. lol

Note to "real" moderators here, if you find anything I have said in this or any other thread rude or insolent, as this person who appears to think he can do your job a lot better than you can then feel free to remove me.

[_Pax_]

I already know what it meant but I'm glad you've now found out. First of all I was pointing out the irony of someone dismissing views he didn't like as moaning whilst seemingly being oblivious of the fact that he was doing exactly the same thing.

Choice of words, changes an otherwise innocuous statement into one that is impertinent and deogatory. For example, where you said:

"So you thought you'd have a moan about people moaning?"

... you could have said:

"So you thought you'd complain about people complaining?"

A subtle change, but the first is derogatory, the second is not (quite). And you knew you were being rude, when you suggested "if you can't take it, don't dish it out".

And when you said:

"[...] when you dismiss other peoples views [...] as moaning [...]"

... you clearly did not feel admiration for "dismissing other peoples views as moaning" ... even though you had just done preciseley that, yourself.

I was neither rude nor insolent.

You most assuredly were - by your own characterisation, as demonstrated above.

The whole purpose of a discussion board is to discuss, no? Discussions tend to involve opinions and differences.

Opinions can be expressed politely and respectfully ... or they may be expressed impolitely and disrespectfully. Yours, here, have been largely the latter rather than the former.

And, I say again: if you behave rudely, you have exactly zero grounds to complain when someone points out to you, that you have behaved rudely.

BTW did the "Moderator" under you're name fall off? Oh the irony. lol

No it did not, and there is nothing ironic here at all. I knew full well what I was posting, and why.

I think we both know full well what you were and are doing, and why, as well.

Nor shall I feed this particular troll any further.