SPQR - Rise of Rome

[Kruelgor]

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PERCENTAGE of COMPLETION: 75%
Latest Version is Ready for Download: Version 25 (beta)

MOD DESCRIPTION: SPQR Rise of Rome is a historically based game spanning a thousand years of the Roman era. The player can choose from one of 15 playable civilizations of the time period. The mod includes a huge highly detailed map with 100% accuracy on scale size, but can also be played on any random map. The scenario map is somewhat rotated at an angle to better represent the Roman world. From Britannia to Parthia and Hispania to the Hunnic steppe, you will relive an epic age of danger, conquest, and glory. Dozens of unique units, structures, and wonders await thee. Over 200 discoveries on the technology tree with 3 major branches to represent the Romans, civilized nations, and playable barbarians to ensure replayability. The strategic choices are endless, but do YOU have what it takes to be ruler?

SPQR War Diaries - Compare yourself to other players: http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread...QR-War-Diaries

Steam Group: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/RiseofRome

Shortcut link to this forum thread: www.magogclan.com/spqr

Manual Soundtracks. Simply disable music in the game, click a link below, and adjust YouTube volume. Play the game!
Click Here to listen to Benhur
Click Here to listen to HBO Rome
Click Here to listen to Rome: Total War
Click Here to listen to Europa Univeralis: Rome
Click Here to listen to Real Roman Musical Instruments
Click Here to listen to Alexander
Click Here to listen to Troy

15 Playable Civilizations
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Romans
Carthaginians
Egyptians
Macedonians
Parthians
Kingdom of Pontus
Greek City States
Seleucids
Huns
Gauls
Goths
Alemanni
Franks
Celtiberians
Lusitanians

[Kruelgor]

ROMAN WORKS tech tree branch


The Republic - (provides The Senate and Provincial Governor)
Craftsmanship - (provides Forge & Workshop)
Roads
Aqueduct
Sewer System
Mint
Baths - (provides Bath House & Diocletian's Baths)
Roman Law - (provides Courthouse)
Bridge Building
Tax Collection (allows Census Office & Tax Collection structure. Tax Collection structure requires Census Office).
Water Mill
Grammaticus
Forum Romanum
Palaces - (provides Domus Aurea & Flavian Palace)
Colosseum (also provides Gladiator School)
Arch of Titus
Circus Maximus
Trajan - (provides Trajan's Baths, Trajan's Column, & Trajan's Market)
Hadrian's Wall
Constantine - (provides Constantine's Arch, Basilica, and New Capital)



ROMAN ARMY tech tree branch
Roman Army units cannot be hurried by purchasing. They must be produced.


Roman Phalanx I
Roman Phalanx II
Roman Phalanx III
Manipular I (Manipular Legion becomes available)
Manipular II
Manipular III
Manipular IV
Manipular V
Marian Reforms (allows Barracks)
Marian I (Marian Legion becomes available)
Marian II
Marian III
Marian IV
Marian V
Imperial I (Imperial Legion becomes available)
Imperial II
Imperial III
Imperial IV
Imperial V
Praetorian Guard - this highly expensive unit can only move 1 and produces some unhappiness.



ROMAN AUXILIA tech tree branch
Roman Auxilia units can be hurried by purchasing.


Sentry I
Equites I
Sagittarii I
Foederati I - foederati are barbarian mercenaries that disperse after an attack.
Sentry II
Equites II
Sagittarii II
Foederati II
Sentry III
Equites III
Sagittarii III
Foederati III
Catapult I
Ballista I
Foederati IV
Catapult II
Ballista II
Foederati V
Foederati VI - it is at this point that the foederati become more powerful than Roman legion units, but create great unhappiness.
Foederati VII



Slavery Concept


Only the barbarian civs can produce the Worker unit. Roman and Civilized nations can research Slave Camp. Once a Slave Camp is constructed it will award a Slave Unit outside the city.

There is also the concept of slaves living internally in the city (see below).

SLAVERY tech tree branch

Asterisk indicates a new "building" becomes available.

Decree of Slavery
Slave Capturing
Slave Camp* - this building instantly provides 1 free slave outside of city.
Slave Magistrate* - this building requires slave camp and increases the worker speed of slaves.
Slave Transport
Slave Branding
Slave Trade
Slave Market* - this building Requires slave magistrate. Required for Production, Wealth, Entertainment, and Freedmen.
Production I* - increases city production
Wealth I* - increases city wealth
Entertainment I* - increases city happiness
Freedmen I* - increases city growth rate
Production II*
Wealth II*
Entertainment II*
Freedmen II*
Production III*
Wealth III*
Entertainment III* - the Gladiator School requires this.
Freedmen III*



DIVINITY tech tree branch (Each deity will give a special unique bonus. Roman and Civilized nations will be able to build a temple dedicated to each deity, while barbarian civs will build a shrine).


Sun Deity
War Deity
Hunt Deity
Grain Deity
Beauty Deity
Forest Deity
Fire Deity
Sea Deity
Wealth Deity
Wisdom Deity
Healing Deity
Festival Deity
Trade Deity
Happiness Deity
Queen Deity
King Deity
Deity Wonder (Pantheon for Romans)
Persecution
Martydom
Monotheism (Holy Temple becomes available)

[Kruelgor]

UNIVERSAL tech tree branch


Diplomacy
Stone Working (allows Quarry and Repair)
Deer
Furs
Horses
Pasture
Sheep
Cattle
Knowledge Sharing
Ivory
Worker Tools (Increases worker speed, and allows barbarians to acquire Worker Unit)
Wheat
Farm
Granary
Iron
Mine
Silver
Gold
Gems
Reveal Map




MARITIME tech tree branch


Fishing
Docks
Scout Ship
Light Warship I
Light Warship II
Light Warship III
Light Warship IV
Pier
Embarkment
Warship I
Warship II
Warship III
Warship IV
Harbor
Lighthouse
Pearls
Heavy Warship I
Heavy Warship II
Heavy Warship III
Great Lighthouse



CIVILIZED WORKS tech tree branch


Monument
Garden
Hanging Gardens
Wood Working
Cotton
Burial Tomb
Oracle
Stable
Wine (plantation)
Dyes
Incense
Trading Post
Market
Library
Walls
Theatre
Marble (quarry)
Colossus
Great Library
Fort



CIVILIZED ARMY tech tree branch (only available to non-Roman Civilized states.)


Warrior I
Warrior II
Warrior III
Cavalry I
Archers I
Spearmen I - (for Greco armies this will unlock the Phalanx unit.)
Spearmen II
Spearmen III
Cavalry II
Archers II
Sword I
Sword II
Sword III
Cavalry III
Archers III
Catapult I
Heavy I (for Greco armies this will unlock the Heavy Phalanx, for Middle-Eastern will unlock Heavy Infantry)
Heavy II
Heavy III
Catapult II



BARBARIAN ARMY tech tree branch


Savage I
Savage II
Savage III
Savage IV
Horsemen I
Archers I
Brute I
Brute II
Horsemen II
Brute III
Brute IV
Horsemen III
Archers II - (pirate ship and embarkment becomes available)
Slayer I - It is at this point where the Barbarians become militarily more powerful than the Romans.
Slayer II
Horsemen IV
Slayer III
Slayer IV
Horsemen V
Archers III

[ArchaicWarrior]

Pity CIV doesn't allow different population groups (classes) within a nation, ie Rome actually encompassed Etruscan Patricians ruling over Sabine / latini plebs, as well as slaves etc

All the best Kruelgor .. again.

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[Kruelgor]

All the best Kruelgor .. again.

Thanks buddy. This will be fun to create, time consuming, but fun.

[Kruelgor]

The idea behind the mod is Rome will have access to far more technologies, buildings, and units than anyone else. The challenge in the game will be for the Romans to conquer the world before the "barbarian" civilizations develop powerful units that can crush Rome near the end game. The Roman AI will be specifically designed to hold a war mongering personality. The challenge for all other civs will be if they can survive Rome's thirst for conquest.

[Kruelgor]

Spent the last couple of days preparing the template to mass create civilizations. There will be 22 playable civilizations of the time period + a maximum number of city states.

[Kruelgor]

Also spent some time figuring out .PNG to .DDS conversion. The image size has to be multiples of 4 in order to convert. I've tried both Gimp and Paint.net and I like Paint.net far better.

[Kruelgor]

My idea for social policies will be:

- Limit the Barbarian civs to 2 primitive policies
- Civilized Nations will be limited to the 2 primitive + 3 Civilized Policies
- Romans will have exclusive access to an additional 5 Roman-Specific Policies

Something along these lines.

Primitive Age
1. Nomadic
2. Tribalism

Civilized Age
3. Monarchy
4. Class System
5. Democracy

Roman Age
6. Republic (well balanced)
7. Caesar (military)
8. Vespasian (financial)
9. Hadrian (construction)

Christianity Age
10. Constantine (religion)

[dlmt3]

I like the social policies idea, will there be a Carthaginian specific social tree too?

[Kruelgor]

I like the social policies idea, will there be a Carthaginian specific social tree too?

Well, there is only one screen for social policies and its the same screen for all civs. There's 10 policies total. I will use Eras to limit and restrict access to certain social policies for certain civs. The carthaginians will have access to the primitive and civilized policies.

Maximum 1 policy can be utilized at a time.

[Kruelgor]

I mistakenly had November 4th as the estimated release date; I meant for that to be December 4th.

[Kruelgor]

The military units for the barbarian civs will be very cheap but not as powerful as the Roman units. This will keep the Romans busy with hordes of barbarians to fend off.

[ArchaicWarrior]

Also like the social ideas.

Being allowed to add a new city (colony), at least one, near an existing one, to keep allies in line would be nice and historically corect.

Doesn't matter how long it take to do, early next yeat fine, just make sure it's stable.

Thanks

[Kruelgor]

It will be very much like traditional Civilization in the sense that you can build as many new cities as you're able.

This will make the game different every time you play.

[Kruelgor]

I just thought of a FANTASTIC idea for somewhat duplicating the Roman Civil War.

The social policy CAESAR will give you an enormous boost in military power, but with only one catch, you'll also receive an enormous amount of unhappiness of such magnitude that it should spark revolts within your empire.

[Putmalk]

I just thought of a FANTASTIC idea for somewhat duplicating the Roman Civil War.

The social policy CAESAR will give you an enormous boost in military power, but with only one catch, you'll also receive an enormous amount of unhappiness of such magnitude that it should spark revolts within your empire.

Why exactly would a player choose this? Seeing as unhappiness presents a combat penalty, not to mention the constant revolts would cripple an empire. It wouldn't grow, would revolt, would be unhappy, and couldn't expand.

Not to mention - if you get an enormous amount of unhappiness from the policy, how would you navigate yourself out of it to rid yourself of the unhappiness? If an AI chooses that policy, they're doomed. Even if you had a direct sequel that grants you +30 happiness, the AI doesn't know that, they -might- choose it, but they're a computer. They don't have thoughts or think logically. They'd probably go a different route, and their empire will collapse.

I think that is a bad idea. But, it's your scenario...good luck with it.

[Kruelgor]

Why exactly would a player choose this? Seeing as unhappiness presents a combat penalty, not to mention the constant revolts would cripple an empire. It wouldn't grow, would revolt, would be unhappy, and couldn't expand.

Not to mention - if you get an enormous amount of unhappiness from the policy, how would you navigate yourself out of it to rid yourself of the unhappiness? If an AI chooses that policy, they're doomed. Even if you had a direct sequel that grants you +30 happiness, the AI doesn't know that, they -might- choose it, but they're a computer. They don't have thoughts or think logically. They'd probably go a different route, and their empire will collapse.

I think that is a bad idea. But, it's your scenario...good luck with it.

I'll have to play around with it and see how it goes. In theory, I'm thinking once you gain access to the CAESAR policy you'll also get access to a certain type of building or something which will give you a boost in happiness, so the civil war would be temporary. The Military advantages you gain from CAESAR would be worth the revolt....or perhaps I'll make a sub-policy under CAESAR that will increase happiness again to make the revolt go away.

[Kruelgor]

Working on the blueprint for the tech tree right now.

There will be many more discoveries in this SPQR version than in the original "kruelgor version".

[Kruelgor]

The tech tree is going to be MASSIVE!

Lots of different units too.

[Kruelgor]

I'm basically writing out 95% of the mod on a blueprint before I start coding it.

[ArchaicWarrior]

smart! ....

[Maucat]

I want to play it...!!! Do you need a tester...?

Regarding the Roman Civil War have you analized the possibility of a Revolt due directly to the number of military leaders in play and due to taxation level (the real reasons of that war...)?

[Kruelgor]

I want to play it...!!! Do you need a tester...?

Regarding the Roman Civil War have you analized the possibility of a Revolt due directly to the number of military leaders in play and due to taxation level (the real reasons of that war...)?

I've barely started coding anything yet. It's still in its blueprint phase. I'll do it much like I did on the original Kruelgor version. I'll release version 1 to the public, will take in feedback, and create subsequent versions thereafter.

[Kruelgor]

My idea for social policies will be:

- Limit the Barbarian civs to 2 primitive policies
- Civilized Nations will be limited to the 2 primitive + 3 Civilized Policies
- Romans will have exclusive access to an additional 5 Roman-Specific Policies

Something along these lines.

Primitive Age
1. Nomadic
2. Tribalism

Civilized Age
3. Monarchy
4. Class System
5. Democracy

Roman Age
6. Republic (well balanced)
7. Caesar (military)
8. Vespasian (financial)
9. Hadrian (construction)
10. Constantine (religion)

Another possible setup for Policies is something like this:

1. Primitive
2. Civilized
3. Republic
4. Julius Caesar - Extreme Military.
5. Augustus Caesar - Well balanced.
6. Marcus Aurelius - Culture and Science.
7. Vespasian - Financial.
8. Trajan - Happiness and Military.
9. Hadrian - Construction.
10. Constantine - Religion

[Kruelgor]

There is a unit attribute called ExtraMaintenanceCost. I'm going to see if I can create special mercenary units that are very cheap to build but have a very high cost of maintenance. Of course, they won't fight very well when compared to the professional units.

[Putmalk]

Another thing you could do is require you to build a Mercenary Camp or something that has a high maintenance, but allows you to build cheap, weak units with the normal maintenance (in case that doesn't work).

My question is: If you make scenarios, will they be that "epic scale" of Rise of Rome or something shorter like Standard or Epic?

[Kruelgor]

I'm not going to touch the game speeds.

My goal this time around is to make it completely compatible with any game speed and any map, so you don't have to actually load up the scenario or map to play. All civilizations I put into the game will be playable. Settlers will be possible too.

I want to make it as clean and bug-free as possible.

It is possible, however, that I will replace 'years' with turns so that it doesn't even say years.

[Putmalk]

Hey Kruelgor, this is just an off-topic post, but your return has inspired me to return to my own personal mod myself. So, thanks, and good luck with the project.

[Kruelgor]

Hey Kruelgor, this is just an off-topic post, but your return has inspired me to return to my own personal mod myself. So, thanks, and good luck with the project.

Cool. Thank you. Well, supposedly the new patches they've released has really improved the game. So a return is a good idea.

[Kruelgor]

These will be the different types of Roman Units and is also the same name as the technology that unlocks them.

For example, a Marian Legion III unit is more powerful than a Marian Legion I unit.

So 20 technologies, 20 unit types for the Roman army.

ROMAN BRANCH of the Tech Tree

Roman Phalanx I
Roman Phalanx II
Roman Phalanx III
Manipular Legion I
Manipular Legion II
Manipular Legion III
Manipular Legion IV
Manipular Legion V
Marian Legion I
Marian Legion II
Marian Legion III
Marian Legion IV
Marian Legion V
Imperial Legion I
Imperial Legion II
Imperial Legion III
Imperial Legion IV
Imperial Legion V
Praetorian Guard I - these units can only move 1 and produce some unhappiness.
Praetorian Guard II


AUXILIA BRANCH of the Tech Tree (only available to the Romans)

Sentry I
Equites I
Sagittarii I
Foederati I - foederati are barbarian mercenaries.
Sentry II
Equites II
Sagittarii II
Foederati II
Sentry III
Equites III
Sagittarii III
Foederati III
Catapult I
Catapult II
Ballista I
Ballista II
Foederati IV
Foederati V
Foederati VI - it is at this point that the foederati become more powerful than Roman legion units, but create great unhappiness.
Foederati VII

[Kruelgor]

Here the 20 technologies and units for the Civilized military branch.

Warrior I
Warrior II
Warrior III
Cavalry I
Archers I
Spearmen I
Spearmen II
Spearmen III
Cavalry II
Archers II
Sword I
Sword II
Sword III
Cavalry III
Archers III
Catapult I
Catapult II
Heavy I (for Greco armies this will unlock the Heavy Phalanx, for Middle-Eastern will unlock Heavy Infantry)
Heavy II
Heavy III

[Kruelgor]

The Foederati within the Auxilia Branch is a bit interesting. They were essentially barbarian mercenaries. Towards the end of the Roman Empire the Romans came to heavily rely on the Foederati more and more.

To replicate the deterioration of the Roman empire and the reliance on barbarians the Foederati VI and VII types will actually be more powerful than any Roman legion, but with one catch - they will produce great unhappiness in the empire. They will be the only units the Romans can effectively compete against the late barbarian civs with.

Each discovery of a Foederati level unlocks a foederati infantry and foederati cavalry.

[Kruelgor]

So it looks like there's going to be close to 200 technologies total. Of course not all of those are accessible. There are 3 Main Branches - Roman, Civilized, and Barbarian.

[Kruelgor]

Here is the Barbarian Military Branch.

Savage I
Savage II
Savage III
Savage IV
Savage V
Horsemen I
Horsemen II
Brute I
Brute II
Brute III
Brute IV
Brute V
Horsemen III
Horsemen IV
Slayer I - It is at this point where the Barbarians become militarily more powerful than the Romans.
Slayer II
Slayer III
Slayer IV
Slayer V
Horsemen V

[Putmalk]

Since the AI is absolutely terrible with using units, wouldn't someone - in theory - be able to build up massive, super-charged Imperial Legion IV's stacked with every promotion and then use those units to fight the AI? With ranged units to back them up and put a hurting on the barbarians? Or how strong exactly are we talking with Slayer I's?

[Kruelgor]

Not sure until it is playable and then we can see.

[Kruelgor]

There will be 200 discoveries on the tech tree. There will be 10 branches. Each branch has 20 discoveries.


1. Universal - (accessed by any civilization)
2. Spirituality - (accessed by any civilization)
3. Barbarian Military - (accessed by barbarian civs only)
4. Civilized Military - (accessed by any non-Roman civilized nation)
5. Civilized Works - (accessed by Romans or any civilized nation)
6. Naval - (accessed by Romans or any civilized nation)
7. Slavery - (accessed by Romans or any civilized nation)
8. Roman Military - (accessed by Romans only)
9. Roman Works - (accessed by Romans only)
10. Auxilia Military - (accessed by Romans only)

[Putmalk]

Sounds fun. How long will each tech take to research?

[Kruelgor]

Sounds fun. How long will each tech take to research?

Not very long. About the same as the vanilla game.