Thats the mental image that has formed over the past few weeks for me.
The early 360 Launch, the SecuRom bullying of PC Customers, the largely unanswered Tech-Problems, broken Big Daddies all over the place, finding out that the Uninstaller does in fact NOT revert the Activations. All this while the Game itself is really great.
BioShock, the pearl inside a turd.
I totally agree. I had a list of games that I intended to buy at launch this year. Bioshock was only second to Crysis, in that list. After all this mess, Bioshock is not even on the list anymore. And it seems that 2K is really not doing anything about the install limits crap, so I guess I won't even pick Bioshock up, when it reaches a more economic price.Originally Posted by rebb
Thats the mental image that has formed over the past few weeks for me
The early 360 Launch, the SecuRom bullying of PC Customers, the largely unanswered Tech-Problems, broken Big Daddies all over the place, finding out that the Uninstaller does in fact NOT revert the Activations. All this while the Game itself is really great.
BioShock, the pearl inside a turd.
Actually they have said they are working on problems with the game. Just make sure you go into detail about any problems you have and your specs.
Its just they are not going to say this over one thousand times to every single person that asks.
now THATS a pearl inside a turd thread,a thread started by a turd inside a pearl
Was that sarcasm?
Either way if they took time to respond to every posters questions instead of the poster actually digging around the forums and finding out for themselves then 2K would probably die of boredom.
The uninstaller may not revert the activation. The rest is BS.
One truth does not make the rest of your post true.
I´ve been challenging flamers of the game like you 1 better game than Bioshock in his launch and I´m still waiting for an answer....
DRMcrap=yes
Bioshockcrap=No, no and no
This thread isn't about any special problem - i already played through the Game in "Ugly Mode" ( HQ Shaders and everything else off so it doesn't reliably crash any more when a map loads ).
Oh, the broken Big Daddies are made up ? Your arguments quite hold some water too i must say
I disagree with the OP. To me its a Turd wrapped in vomit.. I dont like the game much, but I am glad other find it enjoyable or else it would be a wasted endeveour by the Dev team. If in future patches and/or added content improve the gameplay then I may change my view.
And who ever said they had to reply to every single person...?
They NEED to confirm it, using a Sticky or a piece of news in the Cul of Rapture site. It needs to be official, not a "we are reading your posts". Why don't they make it official ? Is it because they are working on it, but don't have a minute to officially announce it ? Or is it because they're really not working on it ?
They have a minute to reply to Wallpaper threads for example, but they do not have the time to confirm that something is being done, to correct these awful mistakes, with this ludicrous PC version copy protection system.
Right, they're really "working on it"
I can name a game of the top of my head F.E.A.R. ran flawlessly out of the box for me and 10 of my freinds with varying levels of PC hardware and software with zero porblems in single player mode, and only 2 had an issue in MP with it.
Well if you read the sticky threads....And who ever said they had to reply to every single person...?
They NEED to confirm it, using a Sticky or a piece of news in the Cul of Rapture site. It needs to be official, not a "we are reading your posts". Why don't they make it official ? Is it because they are working on it, but don't have a minute to officially announce it ? Or is it because they're really not working on it ?
They have a minute to reply to Wallpaper threads for example, but they do not have the time to confirm that something is being done, to correct these awful mistakes, with this ludicrous PC version copy protection system.
Right, they're really "working on it"
http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9196
I want to welcome our new Tech mods to the forums. We have 5 guys from Boston working on your technical issues, as well as 4 full-time technical moderators that will be around to answer your questions. Now, they are only 5 people, so take it easy on them, but they will be prowling through the tech threads and trying to help you get solutions to your problems.
There should be at least one guy on all the time for the next few weeks, at least!
-e.
Oh and if you notice, one of those guys is online at the moment. So yeah, read the stickies next time, KTHNXBAI!
LOL
Do you even understand what an official confirmation is...?
More importantly, do you even know what kind of confirmation are we asking for ?
What exactly is confirmed there, concerning a patch, revoke tool or anything related to removing install limits from Bioshock ?
That's all well and good, but it's already been said that the 5 tech mods don't speak for 2k games as they're not employees.
KTHXBAI
Fear should be the standard of which games are shipped, instead of buggy POS's like bioshock and stalker.
rurds lol turd
I disagree with the OP. To me its a Turd wrapped in vomit.
For me, the game is a pearl wrapped in silk. I have had literally no issues running the game and it is one of the best games I have ever played.
As many, you're confusing the game, with the copy protection system. No one EVER complained about the game. Sure it has some issues/bugs, but those are normal in any software.For me, the game is a pearl wrapped in silk. I have had literally no issues running the game and it is one of the best games I have ever played.
What's NOT normal, is this copy protection system, so given that you have even refered any of the issues people have with it, I ask you this: What happens you reach your install limits ?
As I'm sure you are aware (since you must've read everything, before you posted your praising Bioshock post), getting your install credits, just by uninstalling the game, does not work as it should. And getting your activations back, by calling or e-mailing support, is also not exactly smooth and so you may be screwed and get in fact, a $50 paper-weight, which you say is "a pearl wrapped in silk".
Want to revise your opinion, about that "silk", or is everything still peachy ?
I meant to say "so given that you have not even refered any of the issues people have with this copy protection system".
The game is great but the problems associated with it, the leaked launch, the SecuROM, install limits, activation problems, 2K's lack of timely responses to the complaints, seriously make me question ever looking at a 2K game again.
I don't care if its the best game ever made, its not worth that kind of ☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺. Also gotta realize there are plenty of companies out there that do not do this sort of ☺☺☺☺. I could find them and list them but here is just 1 example.
Years ago, back in the days of floppy's, a company made a game called Galactic Civilizations, was great for the time period. They recently released Galactic Civilizations II which is a little title that has exceeded expectations and is doing quiet well for itself.
Here is a copy and paste on how they feel about copy protection as well as how ijmportant thier customers are to them;
Thing is, they really believe thier customers are more important than copy protection and install limits. They aren't the only ones though, there are many companies that still operate this way.Digg is reporting that a website is implying that we want Galactic Civilizations II to be pirated. Absolutely not! Of course we DO NOT want our game to be pirated. We're a small company, every lost sale hurts us.
This got started because sales reports on Galactic Civilizations II have been much higher than anticipated. We've now outsold the first Galactic Civilizations in North America in the first 10 days. Last week we were apparently the #1 PC game at Walmart.
Naturally, some peple have taken the conclusion that because we don't have copy protection on our game, that we invite piracy. That is not the case, we simply think there are other ways to stop piracy than CD checks, strict DRM, etc.
What we do is provide a serial # that users can choose to enter when they install and use that unique serial # to download free and frequent updates.
Our license allows you to install the game onto as many machines that you own that you want as long as only one copy is being used at once.
How many sales are lost because people want to have a game on their laptop and desktop and don't want to drag CDs around so choose not to buy the game?
Our company also makes utility software. We've been around a long time -- 14 years now. Our software gets pirated. We don't like it but piracy is a fact of life. And not every pirated copy means a lost sale.
The question isn't about eliminating piracy, it's about increasing sales. It's about trying to make sure that people who would buy your product buy it instead of steal it.
Our primary weapon to fight piracy is through rewarding customers through convenient, frequent, free updates.
If you make it easy for users to buy and make full use of your product or service legitimately then we believe that you'll gain more users from that convenience than you'll lose from piracy.
We realize that some people or companies might feel threatened at any evidence that implies that draconian DRM schemes or CD copy protection may not make that big of a difference in sales.
For example, we were quite disturbed to discover that the company that makes Starforce provided a working URL to a list of pirated GalCiv II torrents. I'm not sure whether what they did was illegal or not, but it's troubling nevertheless and was totally unnecessary.
All software is pirated, there's no way around it. We've been making software for over 10 years. We don't like our software being pirated. Like I said, every lost sales has an impact on us. But there are other ways to reduce it than through draconian copy protection systems.
I don't know, Bioshock is a great game but 2K ruins it to a certain extent.
lol, 'The pearl inside the turd', thats a funny way of lookin' at it.
If you have some incentive from 2K to be posting on this site (all sites have them), ignore this, no point in wasting time.For me, the game is a pearl wrapped in silk. I have had literally no issues running the game and it is one of the best games I have ever played.
If not, I am glad that you are happy that you simply could play the game flawlessly. The fact that many others could not I am sure does not concern you. Hidden files put on your computer without your knowledge that may become an exploited security risk clearly does not concern you either. Hidden files placed on your computer that cannot be deleted without extraordinary means apparently does not concern you either.
So where do sheep like you draw the line? or do you have one? Suppose they want to install software that regulates what you do on your own computer, oh wait... your are already ok with that. Suppose after a year or two, you use up your activations, and can no longer play a game you paid for, yeah, you are clearly ok with that as well.
If everyone was like you, it would be legal to include spyware on computers. But perhaps that would be ok with you as well. After all, the game played flawlessly.
played flawlessly for the mass majority.
for those having problems they tried the tech forum or friends.
going by your insulting and ignorant manner i suspect you were left with only the tech forum.
plus..if everyone was like you,this would be a right ☺☺☺☺ehole to visit.
Bioshock was a great game and I had no trouble with the 360 version. But it's too bad that the PC version had all those bugs when it was first released. On the bright side, it's good that 2k acknowledged the problems and fixed them.
And you are clearly one of the shills for 2K, hence to be further ignored. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt by all your posts, no one could possibly be that stupid.
Fixed what? They haven't done anything yet.
Uh??
What exactly is "2k acknowledged the problems and fixed them" ? If that means "ignored everyone and did nothing", then yeah, pretty much...
yup..thats about right.
dont agree with your stirrers retoric so that makes me a shill.
ignore the post count,most of it is telling morons they are full of ☺☺☺☺e.
started as tryng to expalin why they were wrong,until i found all they want is to whine and ☺☺☺☺☺ like 12 yr olds.
Oh, sorry I read the article below on the cult of rapture website and I thought they had fixed it. Well, they did acknowledge it anyway. One out of the two.
"UPDATES ON SECUROM™, PC ACTIVATION, AND A TECHNICAL FAQ
August 23, 2007
We have been reading and listening to your frustrations over SecuROM, PC activation problems, and technical support issues since BioShock launched on Tuesday, and we've devised a plan to help.
Starting immediately, we will be upping the activation count to a 5 by 5 plan. We will be raising the maximum amount of computers a user can have BioShock installed on simultaneously from 2 to 5, and allowing a user to reinstall BioShock on each of those computers from 3 times to 5 times. Also, we have in the works a revoke tool which you will be able to run on your machine if you want to free up that key and move it to to another computer (this works very much like Steam or iTunes system). We are also working with SecuROM and 2K customer service, so that when you do need to call in support problems, you get answers to your questions faster, without much waiting or being bounced around. SecuROM has been given much more autonomy to help fix your problems quickly and effectively. I am personally sorry for anyone who got bounced around in the past couple days (I even think I contributed to this problem) and we're going to make sure that does not happen in the future.
As for other technical issues, we are bringing on a team of tech support that will be on the 2K forums 24/7 to help people resolve their technical issues. Our QA guys are in the offices and on the forums, too, reproducing issues and looking for workarounds and compiling information that they can put towards making you a patch and updating the knowledge base.
Also, we are aware that our activation server went down last night, stopping some of you from finishing your installs. The server is up and running now and we have corrected the problem that caused that crash.
Finally, we have released a FAQ, which you can view in full below (and will also be posted on the 2K Forums in the Technical Support area) that will help clear up a lot of questions and misinformation that has been floating around about SecuROM and PC activation.
And as for widescreen, we also want to say we completely understand a user's desire to augment their FOV. BioShock is a harrowing experience, but we don't want anyone to feel limited (or motion sick!). So we are in the process of working on an official PC patch to give widescreen PC users a choice to expand their horizontal FOV, and are investigating creating a similar update for the 360.
And finally, I want to personally congratulate Racer_S from the Widescreen Gaming Forums, and his awesome user patch to expand the widescreen FOV in BioShock. I'm currently tracking him down via email, but hopefully, he'll accept my gratitude, and maybe an Nvidia 8800 to boot.
Read the full technical FAQ.
- Elizabeth"-Cult Of Rapture Website
btw, I don't own the pc version.
I've been on many forums over the years and the weirdest thing about this particular one is that, typically, a game is launched, some users can't get it going, there's a lot of nonsense spouted on the forum over "why did I pay for an unfinished product", bits of whinning and posts lacking any sense of context etc.
However, this forum is the exact opposite.
There's a major issue setting an important precedent for the rest of gaming to come, quite a number of people have joined the forum to be articulate and expressive of their feelings, have gone into depth and detail on arguments against Bioshock's methods of copy protection but they are met with vacuous spam from people like yourself with nothing to say of any value or merit, plus an inability to even bother spelling the effluent in their posts correctly. It's like trying to talk coherently about a topic while the village idiots see who can make the loudest fart noises in the background. Your farting noise is the loudest at the moment Rimmer. Congratulations
We know you don't, otherwise you'll be complaining aswell. You're what 2K calls a VIP customer. To be a VIP customer, you just have to own a Xbox 360. If you're a PC user, then you're considered a criminal by default and have to deal with idiotic copy protection measures, that even limit the number of installs, you can do to the game you bought. And if that's not enough, we're also greated with indifference in the forums, when you show your disagreement with the situation. Plus, we also have to deal with 2K fanboys, wich do nothing else, that mock us and call us names, yet this behaviour is not punished by the 2K mods.
Great isn't it ?
I've been on many forums over the years and the weirdest thing about this particular one is that, typically, a game is launched, some users can't get it going, there's a lot of nonsense spouted on the forum over "why did I pay for an unfinished product", bits of whinning and posts lacking any sense of context etc.
However, this forum is the exact opposite.
There's a major issue setting an important precedent for the rest of gaming to come, quite a number of people have joined the forum to be articulate and expressive of their feelings, have gone into depth and detail on arguments against Bioshock's methods of copy protection but they are met with vacuous spam from people like yourself with nothing to say of any value or merit, plus an inability to even bother spelling the effluent in their posts correctly. It's like trying to talk coherently about a topic while the village idiots see who can make the loudest fart noises in the background. Your farting noise is the loudest at the moment Rimmer. Congratulations
been on a few myself.
strange thing is the grown ups with problems read that most others dont get the problems and try to figure why thiers doesnt work.
they do the adult thing and check tech support,or ask other how to fix it.
what they dont do is whine and ☺☺☺☺☺ the same old retoric time after time to an imaginary audience.
also,if they are not owners or intending to buy,they usually feck off to another game forum,again they dont continually cry and whine like a slapped baby about the same old crap.
now...who`s the sad sack ?...the owner/buyer looking to play the game,or the sad arsed troll reguritating whats been said a thousand times ?
while you and your ilk have been crying and whining,the actual gamers have played it,in some cases played it a few times.
we found you amusing to begin with,but now your simply whining for whinings sake,and nobody likes a whiner.
What exactly is there to ask to tech-support ?been on a few myself.
strange thing is the grown ups with problems read that most others dont get the problems and try to figure why thiers doesnt work.
they do the adult thing and check tech support,or ask other how to fix it.
what they dont do is whine and ☺☺☺☺☺ the same old retoric time after time to an imaginary audience.
also,if they are not owners or intending to buy,they usually feck off to another game forum,again they dont continually cry and whine like a slapped baby about the same old crap.
now...who`s the sad sack ?...the owner/buyer looking to play the game,or the sad arsed troll reguritating whats been said a thousand times ?
while you and your ilk have been crying and whining,the actual gamers have played it,in some cases played it a few times.
we found you amusing to begin with,but now your simply whining for whinings sake,and nobody likes a whiner.
That the uninstall, does not give your install credit back ? Or that getting your install credits reset, is an adventure that easily surpasses the one in the game itself ?
Also, why are you not playing the game, as you pointed out, instead of roaming these threads, with nothing else to do or say, but mock us or call us names, the "whiners"?
And I'm still amazed how you've not been banned. Oh wait, you're defending 2K, so of course you are protected.
Hmmmmm maybe I have been going about this all wrong... I have been offering the whiners a cookie....maybe this will do the trick.
ALL YOU WHINERS HAVE A COOKIE!!
http://www.flourpotcookies.com/EasyE...r-cookies3.jpg
played it,
uninstalled it,
shelved it,
removed securom,
not one single glitch or problem.
dont have to mock you,your doing a stirling jb of looking and sounding an arse all on your own.
not been banned because of defending 2K?..twaddle,havent defended anything,your still under an illusion you created real problems by ☺☺☺☺☺ing about imaginary problems.
protected ?..more bollox,already had a warning for returning insults to turds.
i just see things simply >
securom...go ☺☺☺☺☺ at securom site
activations...only need to ☺☺☺☺☺ once,then wait..
simple when your an adult without the craving to be noticed or heard [even if it means being seen by adults as a juvenile whining lil troll.]
sod the whiners,give the rest of us the cookies.....
ahh,the problem there is you only need a few cookies to feed the whiners,but would need a shipload to feed the rest of us.
damn.
If we've been repeating ourselves so much, it's odd that you don't know seem to have a clue what people have been complaining about. Or the fact that people have indeed been on the tech forum at times, and on other relevant sites, requesting information, for example, on how to un-install securom.been on a few myself.
strange thing is the grown ups with problems read that most others dont get the problems and try to figure why thiers doesnt work.
they do the adult thing and check tech support,or ask other how to fix it.
while you and your ilk have been crying and whining,the actual gamers have played it,in some cases played it a few times.
we found you amusing to begin with,but now your simply whining for whinings sake,and nobody likes a whiner.
The Securom site doesn't contain any info, this tech site doesn't contain any info but we've been invited to discuss our concerns here by the provision of a sticky on the subject which of course you've visited a few times already for the sole purposes of pointless spamming and nothing else.
If you have no problems with the game or with the game's restrictive copy protection measures, that's fine. But trying to combat what you perceive as so called whining with "spam" makes you sound, at best, like an infant.
I honestly do not think you have the intelligence or articulation to defend anything, on what score we agree.
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