King of the Randoms - no Horsemen

[glenneyre]

I declare myself kind of the Randoms, no horsemen.

It seems like a lot of games are decided by who is able to get their horsemen out the quickest. While the best starting strategy, it gets old. Most games are decided within the first 20 turns. I would like to work on my mid to late game strategy more.

Basic rules:
1. You must randomize your CIV by closing your eyes and pushing the change Civ button multiple times. Randomize again if it stops on USA, China, and Zulu - as they are overpowered and not allowed. This is obviously on the honor system.
2. You can not build horsemen.
3. No cheating/glitching, no ADAR, no building Oxford for bombers.
4. Best 3 out of 5 to take the title.


Send me a XBOX FR and/or message if you see me on and want to challenge for the title. Bring it on!

[dukeblue1987]

Good idea, what is your gamertag? I will challenge.

Also, I suggest not selecting random, but just using the first civ that appears when you enter a room. Random vs random is not random, as the 2nd player's civ is dependent on the host's civ. Also, you could ban USA, China, and Zulu this way if you wanted. Just my 2 cents.

[ScottieX]

sounds like my normal strategy
if you see me on mssge me for hte challenge - even if im playing.

[glenneyre]

Good idea, what is your gamertag? I will challenge.

Also, I suggest not selecting random, but just using the first civ that appears when you enter a room. Random vs random is not random, as the 2nd player's civ is dependent on the host's civ. Also, you could ban USA, China, and Zulu this way if you wanted. Just my 2 cents.

I am up for something like that. I never realized that the first CIV to appear when you enter a room was random. I figured it was the first on the list and was the same every time.

I was thinking about not allowing those those 3 (USA, China, Zulu), but didn't know how to make it work while using random. Even without horsemen they would still be greatly overpowered. However, the other power civs (Aztecs and Arabs) advantage would be mostly lessened without the use of horsemen.

How about this for an idea? Since it is going to be on your honor as far as random goes, both players could just close their eyes and push the button to change CIVs multiple times. What ever comes up is who you play. If the USA, China, or Zulu come up, you start again.

Sound good?

[dukeblue1987]

I am up for something like that. I never realized that the first CIV to appear when you enter a room was random. I figured it was the first on the list and was the same every time.

I was thinking about not allowing those those 3 (USA, China, Zulu), but didn't know how to make it work while using random. Even without horsemen they would still be greatly overpowered. However, the other power civs (Aztecs and Arabs) advantage would be mostly lessened without the use of horsemen.

How about this for an idea? Since it is going to be on your honor as far as random goes, both players could just close their eyes and push the button to change CIVs multiple times. What ever comes up is who you play. If the USA, China, or Zulu come up, you start again.

Sound good?

You're the king, you makes the rules!

America, China, Zulu would be crazy good as you said. Mongols would but oh so pitiful. Everyone else can manage.

Also, I still need your gamertag.

[glenneyre]

Duke,

Gamertag: glenneyre

FYI - My kids use my gamertag too. If you see me on but playing anything other than Civ Rev, Catan, Black Ops, or Halo - it's probably them.

I'll go with the "close your eyes and button press randomize" approach. However.....No Zulu, USA, or China. Everyone else is fair game, including the Mongols. It is 3 out of 5, so even if you get stuck with a lesser Civ, you have games to make up for it. It should be fun to have to think on the fly depending on the Civ you get.

Once someone takes the title, I encourage them to tweak the rules as they wish. Maybe we can get some good twists to add to the strategy and to make the game fresh. In the beginning, I thought about limiting the number of settlers you could make to 2-3, but didn't want to get too complicated.

[JackHall2003]

I'll have a pop at this sometime if I see anyone on. Horsemen from barbs - sell?

[glenneyre]

You can use horsemen you get from huts, you just can't produce them.

[elthrasher]

Obviously this title is for me but I still owe you the top tier challenge. When can you play, glenn?

[glenneyre]

Obviously this title is for me but I still owe you the top tier challenge. When can you play, glenn?

I can be on this week:

Wed night 7-10 pm (all times EST)
Thur morn 5-7 am or night 7-10pm
Sunday - pretty much all day

[elthrasher]

Okay, I'll be on tomorrow then. Maybe we can swap titles!

[carjm]

I would suggest selling horses from barbs, just to keep it fair and interesting.

[elthrasher]

I would suggest selling horses from barbs, just to keep it fair and interesting.

It's up to the king, but I doubt it would matter. I'll bet 9 throws out of 10 I can have a legion army at your capital before you can assemble a horse army from barbs.

[danthechan]

horsemen from barbs come late, relatively speaking. i think it would be fair to keep them if you want. i don't believe the 1st civ to pop up is completely random. more often than not it relates to a civ i've used very recently imo. i like the method glenn proposes. i use this myself when i want to go random, without ruining a game by getting america or china.
speaking of overpowered civs and HA's, i encountered an enemy using america the other day at 3200 bc. he had 2 cities connected by a road, and a HA already.

[Mawpawk]

you wanna finsih this sometime?

[glenneyre]

you wanna finsih this sometime?

Sure thing. I will be on quite a bit this week. Both early morning (5 -7 a.m.) EST and late afternoon (6-10 p.m. EST) I know you are in a different time zone, but I have no idea what it would be for you.

It is not going to be easy for me to recover. The last 2 losses put me in quite a hole. I will need a tremendous amount of luck to even have a chance to win 3 in a row against you.

After we finish this one, I would like to challenge you to your title of the lower middle tier.

[JackHall2003]

Huh? Have you guys played a couple for this then?

[Mawpawk]

ok glenn, yes jack a few wks ago cant remember the first game...do remember my japan vs glenns spanish being quite a heavy 1, its quite a cool concept as it makes a nice change from the ol horsey wars

[Mawpawk]

I am King of the randoms, feel free 2 challenge

[JackHall2003]

I'd love a crack at this one, but as always, if you see someone else on first - play away.

[Jackoneill]

I'd love a crack at this one, but as always, if you see someone else on first - play away.

Ditto.
Hurry up mr internet man, I wan't to play Civ......

[RZ Racer 9]

Got ur message last night, but my eyes were closing I was so tired, so I just ☺☺☺☺ it off and went to bed. Hit me up next time...

[elthrasher]

Are we at all surprised I took this one on my first try? Heh, actually it was extremely tough going. I had some crap games and so did Mawpawk but mine came first.

India mirror match - I spawned far from the action. Mawpawk walked in on Athens, then got seven cities. I think I quit before 3000 BC. If he hadn't also been India, I could have pinned my hopes on a fundy legion rush, but he would have his own fundy legions. Probably he'd have his up in my face before I had mine. Or he could have surrounded my capital with pikemen or something.

My Aztecs, his Romans - Yeah, at first I was all "can I even be the Aztecs?" Well, when horserushing is outlawed, the Romans are WAAAY better than the Aztecs. And I walked in the wrong direction and lost five turns while he walked in on somebody and got 100 gold fast. Safe to assume he had six cities while I had one. No shot at a cap without horses in this game. What kept me going was I found the Ark. I bought CoL off the Germans for 110 gold. I'm sure most of that money went straight to Mawpawk, but I had to do something. I got a few cities out, then popped the Ark. If Mawpawk had been totally stupidly passive, I might have pulled it out but he came at my weakly-defended cities with catapults. No hope.

My Japanese, his Greeks - The turning point game (otherwise there wouldn't be any more games). I had a good settler walk this time and settled between the Zulu and the Arabs. I eventually took them both (and got Fundamentalism), but didn't have much gold due to having to spend everything I found on warriors. No horses means it takes a while to get the distant barbs. Mawpawk attacked Zimbabwe with legions and took it, but I held my losses to that one city and grabbed Seven Cities the same turn so I was definitely still in it.

I got a scientist which I used for Monarchy, then teched up to Feudalism. I skipped over CoL completely this game preferring to stay in Fundamentalism. Japan is a great civ for expanding in Fundamentalism. Now that's what seafood is good for. I got to knights and hit Zimbabwe at 36-18. Mawpawk's GA came too late. He flipped the city when there was just an archer inside and a legion army standing guard.

I brought the fight to Athens. Mawpawk used catapults and killed off my defensive units, but my samurai knights eventually brought down Athens. That put me at 4/5 caps with Washington not far from where I was building still more knight armies (10 prod Kyoto - 4 pop and two hills).

My Egypt (HGB), his Spanish - Now the Spanish seem a little unfair in this challenge! I really didn't expect to win this one. I'd say I had okay battle luck (though it started getting quite bad at the end) and Mawpawk made a pretty major mistake in blundering into Atlantis, which put him into medieval just as I was legion rushing Madrid. He failed to take my 100 gold city. Then we battled by Moscow, which Maw had taken early on. We both got cat armies and we each lost two armies to each others archer armies.

But I guess Mawpawk didn't have much else going on because eventually he quit after I teched CoL. Not sure I would have gotten into Moscow, but I was definitely making him spend a lot of resources holding it.

My Egypt (Stonehenge), his French - Other than getting Stonehenge, everything went my way this game. I took Madrid with a warrior army, getting Navigation and got Seven Cities shortly thereafter. I took Paris with legions which just left Mawpawk with a couple of empty 2 pop cities and not even any trees around them. For some reason he settled them both on whales. Maybe he thought I wanted to finish the match after he left?

Fun games. I was very rusty at first. It's tough getting this kind of competition in ranked play.

[hello]

I would like to challenge for this title. Elthrasher I will add you as a friend and send you a message when you are on?

Unless there is already another challenger

[elthrasher]

Whoever gets to me first can have a crack at it. Please go ahead and add me. I might be able to play a little this afternoon or evening (US eastern time).

[dukeblue1987]

I think it's safe to assume that the next time get on Civ I will be the new king. In fact, you can just crown me now and save the embarrassment.

[elthrasher]

I think it's safe to assume that the next time get on Civ I will be the new king. In fact, you can just crown me now and save the embarrassment.

Considering how often you play and how often I play, I would say that's highly unlikely. I'm trying to remedy that on my end, but your being in Texas hasn't exactly helped matters! I needed a national holiday and to blow off a day full of responsibilities just to get some games in with Mawpawk.

[UnbeatenDoja]

How bout who ever get to medievil can start attacking everything goes.

[Liam_Sutty]

I think it's safe to assume as soon as I get an xbox there will be a new kid on the block. I'm well trained in rushing libraries so be warned... x

[JackHall2003]

Is that signed off with a kiss?

You won't regret investing in xbox civ rev.

[elthrasher]

I defended from Mawpawk tonight. We did best of three to keep it short. If that doesn't satisfy you, you're welcome to try again, Mawpawk!

My French, his Germans - I settled near London and by a barb. Mawpawk appeared and finished the barb for me, indicating it wasn't going to be a very good game for me after all. He camped my two trees as well. So I had one warrior and four turns until the next would arrive. Doesn't look good. I figured I'd just abandon Paris for London. Then I abandoned the game.

My Aztecs, his Mongols - So this would be a total stomp if we settled close, but we didn't. I settled near Paris and took it pretty quickly. I scouted and found Berlin north and Kyoto south. I left Japan alone because for some reason they don't build archers if they don't meet anybody while I prepared legions - horserushing being outlawed makes life hard for Aztecs! Meanwhile Mawpawk got the Seven Cities, but I found the Ark, nice for Aztecs.

My plan was to grab Berlin then drop my legions into the middle of Mawpawk's empire to cause havok. Instead we met at Berlin, but I came out on top, mostly thanks to auto-healing legions. Meanwhile I grabbed Kyoto by surprising them with a single legion army fairly late in the game (900 BC, IIRC). Mawpawk bowed out after I'd finished off his 4th legion army.

My Romans, his Greeks - Should be easy to win but Mawpawk is sure to bring a very early attack. Can't get overconfident. He walked in on the Zulu while I walked in on the Mongols. He found me before I found him. I think he might have had a gold advantage and picked up Confucius, though I got Angkor Wat for the Pyramid. I spit out some cities, but didn't have a lot of gold. Rome was on hammers all game, no settlers from Rome. Mawpawk sent a galley with two legion armies and a pike army my way. I don't think he would have defeated me, but he would have slowed me down more than I'd like. I gave chase with my galley, hoping to send them all to Davy Jones' locker. Maw knew what I was doing and was typically quicker, but Mr. Tokugawa introduced himself to Mawpawk's Greece and that gave me the chance I needed. I won the 1-1. I won those all night for some reason. Very lucky. That set back Mawpawk and let me bring my forces to bear. He had some pikemen, but not a lot and the Pyramid let me switch to Fundamentalism. I took Zimbabwe and would have had another nearby city, but he gave up. His defenses were broken.

[ScottieX]

playing liam for this.
first one I lost forget what happened

second one rome vs russia.
i expanded out and then hammered him with legions and a gb ready for sams castle.. massive overkill

[dukeblue1987]

Grizz and I decided we would play for this title because Thrasher is for the most part MIA.

We played best of 5, normal forum rules. I won 3 -1. All the games were pretty uneventful. The last game I was Greeks and Grizz was Arabs. I got 2 caps and grew Athens to 4 then popped Irridation (Kyoto was a pop 6 after that!). I had 14 production in Athens do to 4 hills and a workshop. Grizz played really well and actually get 3 or 4 cats armies together but my cat armies attacked at the perfect time while he was coming to kill me. I also had Galleons to transport them between a big lake that separated out cities.

All hail the new King!

[ITZ DENI3D]

All hail the new King!

Not for long...

[GrizzleyTigers4]

We did HA's because we didnt read the directions so I guess its up to the current king to make that call right>?...

[dukeblue1987]

We did HA's because we didnt read the directions so I guess its up to the current king to make that call right>?...

We can go no Horsemen from now on going forward. Mainly just b/c its in the thread title.

[dukeblue1987]

MawPawk challenged me last night. We got in 1 game and decided to go no horsemen. Turned out bad for me. I got Russia. He got CoR Egypt. You tell me who's going to win that game, especially with no horses.

[Mawpawk]

cmon duke it took a lot of skill 2 use the colossus and archer up and build a library

[Mawpawk]

im the new owner of this title so if yall wanna challenge me then its a best of 5 as i had 2 beat the mighty dukey blue thus way

[dukeblue1987]

im the new owner of this title so if yall wanna challenge me then its a best of 5 as i had 2 beat the mighty dukey blue thus way

Gah that was frustrating. Especially when I get Russia, Russia, Aztec, French. Guess which game I won? haha