Playing a huge map. I am at the north pole, Japan are at the south pole with 3 reasonably sized civs in between us but they covet lands i own?
Playing a huge map. I am at the north pole, Japan are at the south pole with 3 reasonably sized civs in between us but they covet lands i own?
They're planning on building an army of giant snowmen - so they need the snow!
It happens. They like to covet my capitol right from the get go. -_-
Yeah... Japs have a tendency to do that. In a related issue, one time I built a settler and founded my second city, and Oda came up to me and was like "Woah, woah!! Partner, we don't want you expanding at all this time around, okay?"
It's an issue that has been around since at least Civ IV. When figuring diplomatic attitudes toward human players, AI calculates distance as the crow flies, rather than the distance they actually have to travel to reach you given current tech and game rules. You're at the far north, they're at the far south, which makes you their closest neighbor - even though game mechanics prevent them from traveling the same route they used to calculate distance. The same thing happens if you're on the west/east coast of a pangaea map. The civ on the other coast will view you as their closest neighbor, even if they lack the needed tech to cross the ocean and reach you. This will cause them to launch a ground attack against you - and to make matter worse, because your coastal cities are the closest cities to them as the crow flies, those will be the ones they target, which means that after traversing the entire map (walking through everyone else's civilization) they will try to cross through your civ without stopping to reach the offending cities. A small handfull of ranged units can take free shots at them as they pass by city after city so that by the time the army reaches their target, there's hardly anything left.
Just one more unintended consequence of a badly designed and badly tested AI, I'm afraid.
Podling: There are log file which document when the AI thinks it is Neighbors, Close, Far, or Distant from another player. What you are claiming is completely false. The problem, however, is that AIs which consider you Far away may still "covet" your land if they're the coveting kind ... it's a small effect at that level and doesn't have a big impact on their relations, but the message still shows the same.
Seems the AI that I play with, ALWAYS wants my land, when I could be the one with the least land. I wish there was a map where I get my own medium continent, then either have a small land mass to cross to meet the other civs, there I would have my average 4-7 cities, and be fine with everyone not biting my head off over coveting my land.
They have a rare species of penguin that are almost extinct with no females left for breeding, and your land on the north pole is unfortunately the only place left on earth with an abundant population of penguins they can use for mating...Originally Posted by Furball
Shows what you know about penguins
Why don't polar bears eat penguins ...Shows what you know about penguins
Then there's the City State on that same "foreign" coast that demands a road!
damn, i should've gone with seals! they're on both poles right??Shows what you know about penguins
anyway, we're talking about a fictitious civ world here, where penguins do hang out at the north pole, together with santa and his elves. There are no kids reading this right?
Some things are completely random.
In the real world Japan made an offensive against Hawii and Alaska. China was much closer. So in some ways the game mimics real life.
Because they can't get the wrappers off.Why don't polar bears eat penguins ...
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You realize Japan had been at war with China for years before attacking Pearl Harbour, right?
Japan sometimes just covets the fact that you exist. If you get the chance to check your diplomatic relations with them on turn 1, which is rare but does happen, you will sometimes see that they covet the lands that you own. ...On the very first turn.
It's not just Japan. I've had that with multiple leaders.
Some people are just going to covet the lands that you and everyone else owns. It's called the desire for a domination victory. Just be glad you know who the aggressors are. Not everyone is going to like you. Get over it.
Yep.
I hate to find myself in the role of Civ V's advocate, because I have my share of gripes, but people do seem to constantly express befuddlement about supposedly nonsensical AI behavior that isn't actually all that hard to figure out.
War-machine Civ's covet territory. That's what they do. If you have a resource they could use, they're all the more likely to covet it. If you're weaker than them, you can also expect them to start licking their chops. Do not expect the AI to make the distinction that your lands are difficult to access. They don't need to have access to them in order to covet them.
Yes, in the real world they do. Nations covet adjacent lands. They want to expand their borders. They argue with neighbours.
But they don't covet land that's far away and currently belonging to someone else. Hitler didn't covet Peru.
Perhaps not Peru, but all of Europe, the greater portions of Africa, all of northern Asia and Russia, and large blocks of the far east, China, Vietnam, Korea, the pacific rim, and Oceania. Oh, and America.
Hmm...
America covets the Middle East...
And then you have the Crusades, where Europe coveted Jerusalem, and the whole 'New World' thing where Europe collectively coveted a totally different continent.
And the whole Colonialism period where Europe collectively coveted ALL other continents.
But Mussolini did covet Abyssinia
Politics, great idea! Let's have a debate. Err... let's not.
Japan had been at war with China for many years before Dec 7th 1941. By the time Pearl harbor happened, Japan actually controlled all of Manchuria, Beijing, Shanghai, Wuhan, and Nanjing and surrounding areas in the North China Plain. And actually, Japan had absolutely no intention of conquering American lands. They wanted to expand their east asia empire, and they simply hoped that the US would leave them alone so they could do so. They only attacked Hawaii because they had a pretty foolish plan to knock the US out so they could have free reign in east asia. They "coveted the lands of" China, Indonesia, and other parts of SE Asia.
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