Am I only one who never researchs rifleman?
Every game if its fairly close i will see people research rifleman but I don't see point pike men can stop knights and catapults so why research rifleman? I have never researched rifleman because usually modern infantry are only 2-3 tech away. idk maybe i'm just weird...
a lot of ppl think like you
i use to not even research democacy until modern era.. lol because then u can backfill it later
Myself, I usually skip pikes because they aren't always a sure thing against knights and cats, whereas rifles are and they only cost 5 hammers more. Cherry on top is that several civs have rifle advantages. (French, Egypt, Arabs, Russians)
Arabs have no bonuses involving riflemen. You meant Zulu.Originally Posted by RZ Racer 9
In a game that gets decided by Oxford bombers, riflemen are completely irrelevant. If for whatever reason Oxford doesn't happen, then they can matter.
In the old days, I won a few games based on the persistence of half-cost loyalty Russian riflemen, but that wouldn't really happen now.
I go straight for submarines!
Hmm, I like Rifleman significantly more than most. Pikemen are garbage IMO. If anything's a waste of time, it's hammering out Pikemen armies with Rifleman so close. A smart player will bring a Knight army with naval support and plow your pikemen like it's nothing. Rifleman armies will negate a knight threat. And in late game, I like the strategy of stacking several rifleman in your cities as opposed to armying them. One will prevent overrun in most cases and thus you force an opponent to have to work forever to take the city. I personally find Mass Production to be more of a waste than Rifleman. The important thing is preventing overrun and counterattacking. Modern Infantry are nice, but usually down on my list. I can defend myself for quite awhile with Rifleman.
Cymru is right, submarines obsolete everything
you should build a million of them and spell out your name on the map with them like morte does.. or was that battleships..?
I played a game once where there was like a bay near my capital and I filled it with easily 15-20 BS fleets
usually i have steam power and veteran pikeman so thats enough untill modern infantry i have never built a single rifleman in multiplayer except if i discover it first later
And that's probably why I've never heard of you until you blitzed the forum the other day.
have you ever seen vet pikeman army beaten by vet catapults or knights? I haven't so quit acting like your a genius bro.
yes, it happens all the time.
I build riflemen, usually when I'm giving my opponent a chance to catch up! There is no substitute for Longbows with battleship fleet support though 24+ techs...
it might have been this way before, but we don't roll that way anymore. attacks are made in fundy, or with naval support, and sometimes with the sam castle. also players are much more likely to bring 3 or more armies and then your pikes don't stand a chance unless you are aztecs.
I do it all the time
Who think that riflemen might be better/worse than getting modern infantry, and same about pikemen, well, probably that person isn't enough good to understand that you must be flexible, everything else is not important.
Anyway, I would prefer riflemen to pikemen. When I use russians it's even a good idea to build riflemen since they are like modern infantry (7.5 defence to 8) and they cost 1/3.
Sometimes there's no time to get modern infantry, and when your enemy is coming with tanks for example, and you have pikemen, you won't defend. Modern infantry would be too far, while you can try to defend with riflemen.
I only build pikeman if i think someone will try to knight rush me if im overly concerned ill build two vet pike armies and that's plenty until modern infantry like I said I normally only have 1 or 2 mainland cities and the rest are island so maybe that's why it works for me.
You must be playing some pretty weak players then.
Knights and Cat armies would chew them up. Vet or not.
Minimum defense for pikeman army is 18 (at %100 fortified of course) thats not counting %50 capital bonus, %50 vet bonus, plus naval support vet knights attack at only 18 how can they beat pikeman unless they get really lucky
Well smart players would have religion already and they would be attacking at a minimum of 22.5. And most players would also use naval support making the attack even higher. Not to mention it would be more than just 1 army that would be attacking. Pikeman armies might be able to get a lucky win here or there, but they are by no means a sure fire defense to knights or cats.
You really must be playing cupcakes all the time.
If he's playing ranked, it's not really his fault. That's pretty much what's out there.
LOL I only play ranked
Also like I said I count on steam power as well just vet cruiser gives 5 extra defense.
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