Hey 2K games, take your DLC and

[Klep123]

Shove it.

$5.00 for a new figurehead? Yay. Not like it will make a difference since diplomacy and the AI are both so bad in this game.

And by the way, you can go to the mod section to download maps for _free_ instead of paying money for it *shake my head*.

I've been playing since Civ1, and this is honestly the biggest pile of crap I have ever played in my life. I forced myself and played over 80 recorded hours on Steam and I couldn't like the game.

Shame on you Firaxis, ruining a wonderful franchise with over saturation of DLC and an obviously very rushed product (how many patches did it take to fix the 1353925325 bugs that could've been found with a 1 month beta?)

How about instead of cheating your longtime customers spend some time and energy and release an expansion pack that improves on the core game, so it's actually playable.

I'll probably be banned for this but like I care, so much for freedom of speech eh? Just pretend all is well in the Civ world.

Worst $50 spent since Medal of Honor.

[King_Course]

Did you sit there and think: What if they can see I played 80 hours of Civ V? Oh yeah thats right, I will just say I forced myself to play it.

[Klep123]

I voluntarily chose to play that long, but only because I was trying desperately to love the game since I've been a diehard Civ fan since the beginning.

To say that any of those hours except for the first 30 were actually "fun" would be lying to myself. After that I was pretty much forcing myself to play and the only reason I have that many hours is because it takes so long to do anything.

[Pouakai]

Well, everyone to their own opinion. I like DLC, and it means I can get new civs when they're finished instead of waiting a year for them.

[Mogloth]

This will not end well.

[Klep123]

You're entitled to your opinion obviously Pouakai and I respect that, but I don't see it as worth it to pay 10% of the game's original price for a new civ. I'd rather buy a new expansion pack which has a lot of new content bundled.

And honestly, even the DLC doesn't bother me as much as the fact that the game itself is so flawed. If this was Civ4 level I'd buy all the DLC.

[Pouakai]

Are you talking about the final version of Civ 4, i.e. post patches and BTS + Warlords, or the start, bugged version?

[yqt1001]

The thing about DLCs is that they actually put new things like tile improvements and neat little things that modders can't do, into them. Is the Moai worth $5? No, but the fact that Polynesia is professionally made and comes with a scenario as well as a super cool custom ability (Polynesia is one of my favourite civs) makes it more valuable. Is it still worth $5? No, but are Mac products actually worth what you buy them for, of course not. (their computers, not the OS, the OS isn't bad) Companies will overprice things, but $5 isn't bad... I've played Civ V for ~350 hours and the DLC content for atleast 50 hours so I think I've gotten my money worth out of the ones I have.

[Ingersollian]

I'll probably be banned for this but like I care, so much for freedom of speech eh?

No comment on the substance of the complaint (I partially agree), but I have to point out this fallacy every time it appears:

You have freedom of speech in public, but private venues are run at the discretion of their owners. You can be banned from internet forums for the same reason you can be evicted from clubs, restaurants, and movie theaters. "Freedom of speech" means you can say whatever you like, but it doesn't guarantee you anyone's stage or an audience.

[Klep123]

Even the original pre-BTS/patch version of Civ4 was a lot of fun and kept me hooked until Warlords (not to mention it was a much more complete product than Civ5 ever was).

Civ5 has been collecting dust for months, save for yesterday when I played a game in a vain attempt to get back into the game and see if it was any more fun after patches.

[Klep123]

No comment on the substance of the complaint (I partially agree), but I have to point out this fallacy every time it appears:

You have freedom of speech in public, but private venues are run at the discretion of their owners. You can be banned from internet forums for the same reason you can be evicted from clubs, restaurants, and movie theaters. "Freedom of speech" means you can say whatever you like, but it doesn't guarantee you anyone's stage or an audience.

Not gonna disagree with that, but the way developer websites (not just 2K, many others are guilty of this) quash all dissent instantly is extremely autocratic in nature.

If the criticism is constructive it should be allowed, but apparently not.

[Pouakai]

"Hey 2K Games, Take Your DLC and Shove It" - Not really the best way to start constructive criticism IMO.

[Klep123]

"Hey 2K Games, Take Your DLC and Shove It" - Not really the best way to start constructive criticism IMO.

Wasn't referring to myself, was referring to many instances where people would place well constructed arguments criticizing games only to be locked/banned/removed etc.

In my case, I know Firaxis isn't going to listen so I don't care, I'm just venting and letting them know how badly they screwed up. Civ5 is so dumbed down, it's ridiculous, might as well have released on the Xbox360/Ps3 as well with how streamlined it is.

[lietkynes]

$5.00 for a new figurehead? Yay.

There is a solution for this. It's called "don't buy the DLC if you don't like it". It's not like it's mandatory.

diplomacy and the AI are both so bad in this game.

This is true.

[Artifex]

There is considerable constructive criticism on this board. Ideas, suggestions, yes even many many complaints. Others have eloquently made the same argument you make now, just in a better way.

take your DLC and Shove it.

is not constructive. You do agree, right?

As has been stated here before, the people designing civ figureheads are not the same people addressing the "core" mechanic concerns. Stopping DLC production would not significantly effect what you would call "Finishing the rushed and broken game" They are not interchangeable items purchased with a standard currency on a fixed income. Both will happen at the rate they happen regardless of the other.

[Jazzterisk]

Shove it.

$5.00 for a new figurehead? Yay. Not like it will make a difference since diplomacy and the AI are both so bad in this game.

And by the way, you can go to the mod section to download maps for _free_ instead of paying money for it *shake my head*.

I agree the maps are a rip off but the new civs aren't a bad deal considering you don't just get a leaderhead. Theey each come with new units, buildings, and abilities that doe expand the gameplay.

You're entitled to your opinion certainly and I won't try to change your mind or trash you for it.

I will say that if you've played 80 hours it couldn't have been that bad.

[Klep123]

There is considerable constructive criticism on this board. Ideas, suggestions, yes even many many complaints. Others have eloquently made the same argument you make now, just in a better way.


is not constructive. You do agree, right?

Refer to my above post, I never claimed I was being constructive. I'm mad as hell because I feel I've been completely shafted as a customer.

I love how one of the newest additions to the game "city states" are so shallow it's ridiculous and just reflects on the rest of the game.

They have 2 mission basically: kill barb camp or kill other city state.

Other than that you have to keep bribing them every 20 turns, whoopee!! So much for loyalty or long time alliances.

And if you want to win diplomatic victory, just save a bunch of gold and bribe 10 of them and you win, what strategy! lmao

[Klep123]

I agree the maps are a rip off but the new civs aren't a bad deal considering you don't just get a leaderhead. Theey each come with new units, buildings, and abilities that doe expand the gameplay.

You're entitled to your opinion certainly and I won't try to change your mind or trash you for it.

I will say that if you've played 80 hours it couldn't have been that bad.

Like I said before, the beginning was fun but once you win each of the different type of victory the game becomes pointless.

Basically I'm playing for 15 hours against a putrid and cheating through the eyes AI so that I can get a painting at the end that says you win! So satisfying... not even a movie or a graph or a map summary/replay. Sad. Why remove these features? I don't get it, even Civ2 had them.

[SamBC]

I love how one of the newest additions to the game "city states" are so shallow it's ridiculous and just reflects on the rest of the game.

They have 2 mission basically: kill barb camp or kill other city state.

You sure you've played the game? There are several other categories of mission, though I hope they add more.

It is true that the 'diplomatic' victory is shallow.

[lietkynes]

As has been stated here before, the people designing civ figureheads are not the same people addressing the "core" mechanic concerns.

The main difference being that people who design figureheads do exist.

[Ingersollian]

Honestly, 80 hours for $50 ain't shabby. Some theaters charge $15 for a movie, and those don't even last 2 hours.

I agree that there should've been more work done on the game prior to release, but it also seems that Firaxis is making a good-faith effort to rectify the game's balance, bug, and crash issues through substantive patches. They'll never be able to un-do the mistaken rush-job they did prior to release, but the previous patch and the upcoming patch are both good attempts at getting the game up to scratch. There's not much more they can do beyond that.

(I won't be completely satisfied until the promised multiplayer patch is released, though.)

[Klep123]

The main difference being that people who design figureheads do exist.

Lmao, well said.

[Klep123]

Honestly, 80 hours for $50 ain't shabby. Some theaters charge $15 for a movie, and those don't even last 2 hours.

I agree that there should've been more work done on the game prior to release, but it also seems that Firaxis is making a good-faith effort to rectify the game's balance, bug, and crash issues through substantive patches. They'll never be able to un-do the mistaken rush-job they did prior to release, but the previous patch and the upcoming patch are both good attempts at getting the game up to scratch.

(I won't be completely satisfied until the promised multiplayer patch is released, though.)

Okay well that's an articulate and well worded response. I agree with most of your points but I still think many of their mistakes are unforgivable. It might've been the publisher's fault the game was rushed but really, Civilization is not supposed to be a "rushed" franchise, maybe because Mafia 2 bombed out they did I don't know.

Personally, I'm done until they release something really substantial, like an excellent expansion pack but honestly I think I'm being naive and delusional.

Maybe I'll have to wait until Civ6.

[Ingersollian]

Basically I'm playing for 15 hours against a putrid and cheating through the eyes AI so that I can get a painting at the end that says you win! So satisfying... not even a movie or a graph or a map summary/replay. Sad. Why remove these features? I don't get it, even Civ2 had them.

For what it's worth, I completely agree. Winning a game right now is extremely anti-climactic and unfulfilling. I'm personally hoping that the still-unannounced "new feature" for the upcoming patch is end-match Replays/Maps/Stats, which I quite miss.

Personally, I'm done until they release something really substantial, like an excellent expansion pack but honestly I think I'm being naive and delusional.

Hey, I haven't played in over 40 days and don't plan on starting a new match until the upcoming patch goes live. I won't give up on fixing Civilization V so long as 2K Greg and the developers are willing to engage in dialogue and produce quality patches as a result, though.

[Klep123]

Hey, I haven't played in over 40 days and don't plan on starting a new match until the upcoming patch goes live. I won't give up on fixing Civilization V so long as 2K Greg and the developers are willing to engage in dialogue and produce quality patches as a result, though.

Well said, I can't disagree with that and I tip my hat to you. Fingers crossed for 2K games to get it right at some point so I can come back to Civ.

I'm done ranting for now, farewell.

[Ingersollian]

Well said, I can't disagree with that and I tip my hat to you. Fingers crossed for 2K games to get it right at some point so I can come back to Civ.

I'm done ranting for now, farewell.

No worries, I think you're just as frustrated as the rest of us. You should stick around if you're willing, though. It'd be nice having more folks around who can actually write well.

[King_Course]

You're entitled to your opinion obviously Pouakai and I respect that, but I don't see it as worth it to pay 10% of the game's original price for a new civ. I'd rather buy a new expansion pack which has a lot of new content bundled.

And honestly, even the DLC doesn't bother me as much as the fact that the game itself is so flawed. If this was Civ4 level I'd buy all the DLC.

I dont mind the DLC, I didn't buy any of it before it came on sale on Steam. I do agree that it would be nice to hear they are starting an expansion soon, because all this DLC is content without innovation and implementation of new aspects, and it will start to look as if they are milking the cow instead of adressing the state of the game.

[SamBC]

I still think, with the DLC income stream, that they could add new aspects (previously covered in expansions) simply in patches. The only downside of that from the player POV is that people wouldn't have the choice in using it, unless they also added something to turn various mechanics on and off (hang on, they've done that before...)

[Hamhawk]

It is crystal clear what Firaxis' priorities are. Release DLC, make money, ignore multiplayer, patch single player.

[elonitar]

I must agree.
CiV is nothing but a Civilization Revolution clone.
Poor AI, poor menus, poor handling.
Playing Civ4 is way more fun, although it is not this "up to date"

[Kosh]

I keep checking the forum every month or two to see what new patches there have been etc. I don't think my friend or I have actually played a game since back in November and we're still waiting (MP, AI patch....)

When I saw on a news site there was new DLC coming (again) I thought/hoped it meant there was also a significant patch update, but alas it's just DLC.. what really bugs us is that any and all development and quality assurance time should be going into more patches that are released more frequently, until the game in an acceptable condition.

I've said it before on here and I'll say it again, all we can do as consumers is vote with our wallet and make it clear that this whole Civ5 release and subsequent patching has been inadequate by not buying the DLC or preording/day 1 buying future products. Fool me once...

[the man of doom]

I must agree.
CiV is nothing but a Civilization Revolution clone.
Poor AI, poor menus, poor handling.
Playing Civ4 is way more fun, although it is not this "up to date"

wat does rev have anything in common with CiV
diplomacy is CiV is complex unlike like in cIV where the ENTIRE diplomacy was revolved around religion
which in game play suffers since u cant denounce a villain

the only reason AI seemed good at combat was merely because just how simple combat was in cIV

[SamBC]

I keep checking the forum every month or two to see what new patches there have been etc. I don't think my friend or I have actually played a game since back in November and we're still waiting (MP, AI patch....)

When I saw on a news site there was new DLC coming (again) I thought/hoped it meant there was also a significant patch update, but alas it's just DLC.. what really bugs us is that any and all development and quality assurance time should be going into more patches that are released more frequently, until the game in an acceptable condition.

I've said it before on here and I'll say it again, all we can do as consumers is vote with our wallet and make it clear that this whole Civ5 release and subsequent patching has been inadequate by not buying the DLC or preording/day 1 buying future products. Fool me once...

Did you miss the bit where they've said a new patch is imminent, hopefully before the weekend (and I'm sure by Tuesday, as the DLC almost certainly depends on it)?

[_Pax_]

No comment on the substance of the complaint (I partially agree), but I have to point out this fallacy every time it appears:

You have freedom of speech in public, but private venues are run at the discretion of their owners. You can be banned from internet forums for the same reason you can be evicted from clubs, restaurants, and movie theaters. "Freedom of speech" means you can say whatever you like, but it doesn't guarantee you anyone's stage or an audience.

Actually, in a "semi-public" place like a restaurant, nightclub, or theater ... you do still enjoy SOME freedoms of expression.

An internet forum is more like someone's private, personal home - in the middle of their living room, not just out in the yard.

[2K Greg]

If the criticism is constructive it should be allowed, but apparently not.

Constructive criticism is most definitely allowed and encouraged across all of the 2K Forums.

However, this post is not constructive. "Take your DLC and shove it" is a pretty surefire way to get your thread closed!