Yes, Religion should return.
Yes, Corporations should return.
Yes, Espionage should return.
NO! NO!, A million times no!
Don't Care
I was curious to see the support for these items, statistically speaking.
I made a thread for religion discussion here:http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread...ion-Discussion
I also made a thread for corporation discussion: http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread...ion-Discussion
I didn't make a thread related to espionage, but I might if there is a lot of support.
I would like to see both Religion and Espionage brought back. I am not sure why Espionage was dropped out of this incarnation of Civilization. As for Corporations, I won't mind them bring brought back. But the purpose they served in Civilization IV was to make use of extra resources. In this version of Civilization that is taken up by Unit requirements. However, in the case of certain resources that pretty much go obsolete it might be worth another look at Corporations. And as for Religion, this is one of my favorite things introduced into Civilization. It is in part due to the fact I played Cultural a lot in Civilization III and so in Civilization IV it was a natural step to make. I also love the other benefits to playing with Religion and the role-playing aspects of Religion in the game. I was hoping for it to be expanded upon, even possible allowing the Player to craft their own Religions. Or to have more things to do with this element of gameplay, such as Religious focused quests and scenarios. There are so many options with where they could go with Religion in Civilization V.
The more that can possibly happen to you and others and the more play options for you available, the more dynamic the game, the more you can be taken by surprise (adding to suspense), and the more overall fun the game experience. All this with a licensed copy to play rather than a subscription is a recipe for tremendous satisfaction potentially inducing a higher number of new civ purchases.
They should return only if Firaxis plans on implementing them well. I don't want frivolous unnecessary features just thrown in on top of everything just for the sake of having more crap... I want additions which will add meaningful depth to the game.
Also, don't worry, you can bet that the expansion to Civ5 will at least include religion (may even be focused on it). It was probably stripped from the original game and saved for the expansion to increase its appeal, thereby increasing sales.
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Yes to religion and espionage. But like jpbar81 stated, re-implement them, but not make it something that will be terrible. Make it work like Civ IV, but IMPROVE on it.
Yes to religion and espionage, but change them. Religion, I have no idea how you'd change it (to accommodate civ5), but there is a thread here that sound much better for espionage then controlling actual units.
I think none should be implemented, primiarily so it can remove itself completely from Civ4's shadow. Instead alternatives should be created of equal impact.
Not too sure about religion, it will be difficult to implement without people complaining about Jiihads all the time like they do now re: denouncing.
Spying would probably be slightly easier, but make it VERY expensive, or the AI will spam spies. Easiest way would just be to have an invisible unit that can check out the enemy's land, possibly a little destruction of resources. But expensive.
This game is called Civilization V, therefor I believe there should be far more elements from previous Civilization games then what are correctly present. If I want to play a game that is a turn based empire building game that is different from the Civilization series I would look for such a game. I made my point before on this, but basically, it is called Civilization V and therefor should not shy away from elements from previous Civilization games which worked. And the lack of Espionage is the strangest of all things to be missing. That is because Espionage has been around for a long time in the series. As for Religion, there was clearly a chance to improve the system that was introduced, just like how Great People have been improved upon since their introduction in the expansions of Civilization III.
Voted for religion and espionage. I think espionage would do the whole diplomacy part of the game a favor. So perhaps espionage for the first expansion and religion for the second expansion.
Some alternative unit to spread culture another way would be nice though. Hollywood stars with anti-war pamphlets, celebrated authors with book signings, and other minor artists (using a broader definition of the term)... going to another CIV's cities and making another CIV friendlier.Originally Posted by tfordp
Hated religion in Civ IV to be honest. Took a far too central role in the entire game. I'd like to see it back, just more on the side... Espionage would be a welcome addition.
You left off the "Yes, X should return, but not simply as a clone of it's Civ4 iteration" option.
All three mechanics were absolute crap in Civ4, but all three have the potential to be engaging. If implemented correctly.
I chose no, but there should be another option which says "Yes, but only if their implemented properly" as all 3 are great ideas, they were just poorly implemented.
Corporations were a pretty poorly done feature in IV and had no semblance of balance, plus the AI had absolutely no idea what to do with them.
Parts of espionage were cool, but having random tiles pillaged was really lame (whack-a-mole). I didn't find it very engaging most of the time, but it had it's moments.
Religion was probably my favorite, it added a bit of role-playing and connection to my civ. Holy cities also added some extra identity to certain cities which was fun, plus they were powerful. But as someone said above, religion played an overly prominent role in diplomacy such that it got old and gamey after a while. Tying founding a religion to discovering technology first was also strange ... seems like a culture based system like Social Policies could be more natural.
So yeah, count me in the "yes to some, but only if they're different" camp.
Yes to Corporations, no to Religion (at least the way they had it in Civ 4), and HELL NO to the incredibly annoying Espionage! I hated it when my cities were always having their water supplies poisoned.
You see I loved Espionage, if for no other reason you could scout out AI territory without open boarders, I am also missing the ability to do re-con for bombing runs with Civ V but that could be fixed by putting that feature back in to planes.
I voted NO.
No matter what religion you choose, its just a facade, you will eventually conquer the entire nation, so why justify it with religion. The same goes for government policies like democracy, communism and etc.
If you decide to put in religion, would Adolf Hitler be put into the game? It sure sounds realistic besides the educational potentials it would bring in terms of awareness. Put Bush and Saddam too..
Espionage... YES
2K made the right move.
Espionage and Religions...yes.
Corporations...NO.
This game desperately needs something more to make it less boring.
All of them should work differently to how they worked in IV, but in principle all are potentially good.
The problem with asking if something should return is that people naturally assume that it would return in its original form. So if they didn't like its previous incarnation, they say "no" to its return.
Corporations were a great idea implemented in a fairly silly manner. When people think of the world's great corporations, they're thinking of Big Oil, Big Media, the Military-Industrial Complex...not sushi and cereal.
I would like them back as all of them play big roles in history. I think Religion/Corporation could tie into the same system though. Since Corporations pretty much replaced Religion in later time periods in terms of political influence. An Religion really shouldn't dominate as much in diplomacy as they do in Civ 4.
Espionage is just a basic feature that should be available to provide you with information on your opponents. Though a lot of it is already given now for free right now. I think its the sabotage elements that annoyed people about Espionage since defending from it felt a bit random. Maybe more powerful sabotage abilities could only be done by a Great Spy or something so its less frequent.
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