How did you know!?!?Originally Posted by asmodeios
How did you know!?!?
The one day I don't check this forum, you mention chess. xD
Black getting the first counter-move is considered a small advantage, the point is that it is smaller than the first move advantage.
White cannot always counter the counter, which is why asymmetrical openings like the Sicilian are very successful for black.
Maw if you are on tonight I would like to challenge for this title.
sweetaz il meet you there
defended my crown against tyshine! same civ selections(zulu america) but i had the better starting advantage on both....lucky me.
ggs ty im sure iv got a lot 2 learn from you.
How average of you.
Game 1 was one of those awful Zulu games were I don't get 100g, while maw gets Rome, Moscow, and 7 cities. I got Spain eventually, but had to defend against KT's and a WA. I moved my settler and saw nothing. Took a village after a double wound and got Bronze Working. Ran into Spain and couldnt get a walkin, so I had to build a WA, and they had 20 g from a tile. Not a fun game at all.
Game 2: I had two artists, but couldn't convert his 2nd taken cap as he never had his 100g so my two cities was too little culture. I never go my 100 g and after he took 4 pop Thebes that I couldn't convert I saw the writing on the wall. I thought I had a great plan to convert his Horse army, but the extra artist ended up costing me the game.
Last edited by TyShine; 03-09-2011 at 12:09 PM.
Me and Maw had a wicked game last night.Zulu vs Zulu.The most fun for me in a long time.
I settler rushed picked up 2 friendlies and got 50 gold, and found athens and took it and got democracy, then a few turns later I took madrid and got navigation.I had a great start, but this game can be really funny sometimes, on how the game can swing.Maw found angkor wat and switched too fundy, and his impi warriors took 2 of my cities.I had a huge tech lead, but Maw being in fundy done some real damage.I switched my tech to gold for about 15 turns just to defend Maws nasty fundy tactics.We agreed that we wouldn't build oxford and it got to the stage were we were neck to neck tech wise, but the game froze in the late game, when Maw switched from fundy and I got locked up in 1 of my cities.Also Maw had a few knight armies and 2 cruiser fleets.But I had 2 GB,s, and had industrialization in 2 turns.I was going to tech riflemen then build leos workshop, and use my other GB for EITC.We both agreed it was anybodys game so we agreed on a draw or a remtach.I also found 7cog in 100 ad or something, Maw sold his galley which if he had of moved it for 3 turns, he would of found it.
Really fun game Maw, the best game I have had in a long while, and talking to you is always fun.Thats also whats fun, the banter between us.GG.
If I have forgotten anything Maw, maybe you can add your 2 cents too this game.
Last edited by Jackoneill; 03-09-2011 at 09:00 PM.
nice write-up jack!, yes gd game and quite balanced ....not! you geting demo and nav before 2500 really crushed my confidenceuntil i got angkor wat, but i initially switched 2 republic and dropped cities enough 2 catch up 2 your 11 techs vs my 2(jack was in demo)!and then when you got 7cog i thought i was done, but i know what happened i found out that a zulu fundy WA can take pikes outs which they did and slowed your roll bigtime. pity about the freeze would have been nice 2 see what would happen but we shall catch you next time and as its a redo itl b zulu on zulu again, bluddy gd gas bagging witcha and it was an awesome close game.
didnt see ya online for the last few days jack ,and as no matches were won i figured it would be ok 2 let morte have a crack at it.
my zulu vs zulu
over pretty quickly morte had me backedup and i made silly mistakes and lost.
my america vs america
i get more gold than him and as we start real close together my money eventually grabbed the win(even got 7cog)but the early warrior battle dance was won by morte.
china vs china
we both settler walk but my position and goodie hut gave me the edge and i managed 2 camp 2 of his forests and also get SOC for 2 GE early, ridiculously gd start for me and another lucky defence of the top tier crown.
ggs morte
one thing 2 note is mirror matches are mostly unbalanced.
had a challenge against redaf
zulu vs zulu(seems 2 be the favourite first choice!)
my map was better and 7cog helped me expand like a mutha. i win
my america vs china
now this was a good game and red did a good job securing tech lead and making my roll 2 COL very slow but the 1 thing that shined in this game was my america being in medival vs red's modern knight rush i lost many knight armies to the quickness and sometimes lucky attacks but it really didnt bother th american broken bonus of rushing cheap knights .i managed 2 drop a galley of legion and knight armies behind his front lines but the game ended in a freeze. i do think unless you had an ace up your sleeve my broken america would have won, but all you gota say red ma man is you want a replay and it shall be done! just let me know soon because i like 2 keep this title rolling!
Pawk!
That Zulu game was pretty worthless from my end the moment you got 7cog!! You also did a nice job confining me to a smaller side of the globe with that choke point. What killed me most in that game was a miserable peninsula start. I settler walked one of the longest treeless planks of land I have ever seen!
I thought I might have had you in that china vs USA game! That production city I had with the free workshop was putting out a knight per turn! But alas, it couldn't keep up with your 25g knights..
GGs! But if you find a lull in your challenges, I would like another crack at the crown! I've only beaten you once so far, but its always a good time playing you!!
I challenge you again, and you know, it's time for you to lose
And, it may be strange but, I would prefer to use Aztecs, Arabs and Americans against Zulu, Chinese, Americans.
Mawpawk, if you're gonna be on tonight, bring your C game!
Bout time someone else got a chance to wear this crown! I could use the practice with these civs if we're gonna play with em this weekend...
Thanks for the games Mawpawk! You're still my favorite opponent to lose to!
I'm soo bad with these civs, I might start using them in ranked to get some practice with them!
yes red always a pleasure mate im pretty sure you will school me soon enough(i wont forget that beating you gave me with the english) ,and as we were talking about chess i would like 2 say that civ and chess have the same effect where if you dont get beat you wont learn anything..unless yor a robot i hope you recorded that america vs my zulu game , you could make a 7min youtube clip with tips on what not 2 do kinda like a bloopers reel(wish i had a record of all my blunders) that bit where yor WA attacked mine an lost washington with pyrimads is classic! also the death of your slow moving general should make the cut 2
GGs Pawkster!
I no longer have a strategy when I play, so basically whatever happens happens and you just so happened to win.
cheerz 4 the games zef, i still think you tapped out 2 quick on both games! but i wasnt privilleged 2 yor side of the game i guess , and i believe in making up the strategy as ya go 2.
I don't know. Maybe. In my China versus your USA, we split up the map and there were the Mongols between us. Your armies were on the other side on a hill. I had about the same amount of units there. I think the hill advantage goes to you. So I back off. You take the cap between us. I flip it. Your other army takes it back. At least you lose a KT knight, but now we're back to where we started, except not only do you have half the map, you have a little more than half with your new cap. We were both past 5 techs; I had a couple more. What can I do? If we play passive and both expand, you win with America. If I try to go for a sneak attack, your posted militias see where I'm coming from. No chance really---your game.
Game #2:We again are having fairly equal games. You take two caps, but I take Rome for CoL. I get 100 gold earlier. I see your Zulu vet army about to attack my own Zuu cap, and I leave it open as a trap. You take it and I attack from a hill with a HA and lose with an advantage. Now you have more cities, and a city close to my own. Horrible situation for me. I really just have no good strats these days, but you played well in both games!
game 1 vs chugg e
my americans vs china. game was pretty balanced in the begining with 1 cap each, and i managed 2 fend off and impressive 2 HA attack which from my point of view was the wining moment as i had loads of land 2 expand, even tho china is extremely powerful nothing can compete with americas half price units chugg conceded the game just after i GS corp which was a good call as i had galleon fleets loaded with cheap knight armies coming in the back door. gd game chugg and well played but americas given the chance and breathing space are ridiculous.(except if your playing against morte)
game 2
i win
cheerz for the games chugg, we played a teams(AI partners) match after this and chuggy schooled me.
Last edited by Mawpawk; 04-14-2011 at 03:35 PM.
I played versus the drunk king of the top tier, first one was my Zulu vs his Americans. I won that one.
I started by moving my settler into the mainland, then by exploring with warriors, since there were no early barbs for early armies. Anyway I could see a lot of barbs after 7-8 turns. By the time I had a vet warrior army (and other warriors around), I found his capital. I tried to take it (but didn't attack) and waited over a hill. He attacked with his horse army and won a 6v6 battle.
I got horseback riding meanwhile (from one of the first barbs) and built a horse army. I went to Madrid and took it. I could see a settled great scientist, that made me laugh, since he told me that he lost it early on. However, I built my second city in a pretty good spot for a early library, 1 grassland + 1 fish, and many water tiles.
I defended from his horse army, and while he took the Arabs, I took Madrid.
The worst thing happened soon after. He had fundamentalism and tried to take Madrid. He killed my horse army, and that was ok. I started rushing archers, and his horse army was wounded. I got seven cities meanwhile.
However, he attacked in the same moment I formed the army, so guess what happened.. He won the battle against a single archer, won, and took the city! The game didn't even count the scientist, since, if you know, it counts as a defence too.
However, I got irrigation, school of confucius (before seven cities, but it wasn't that important). With the scientist I rushed code of Laws I think, but I'm not sure. I expanded a bit and flipped a mongol city, from where I rushed a horse army to take Mongols. After some turns I got ark of covenant, too.
So, he tried to harrass me a bit but after I defended to his attacks, a sort of cold war started. We were both expanding, but I stopped about 9 cities. Meanwhile he had about 20. The beaker count was about the same, but I was a bit better in the tech race. He tried to attack me, and I tried to attack him, but nothing important happened, just few pointless battles. By the way, I rushed east india company in my capital
I switched to democracy and he did the same, and at one point I got riflemen (and you know, zulu get 1/2 price riflemen). I started building defences in my only 2 mainland cities (in fact other cities where in other two islands). He tried to take my second city (near Zimbabwe, the one with library), with about 3 knight armies and a horse army. He kept killing some of my units and I kept defending. I had a cruiser in defence but he brought at one point a vet cruiser fleet. I kept sending units from Zimbabwe too (with a road), and meanwhile rushed a barracks + 2 cruisers from the Mongols island, to build a vet cruiser fleet myself.
I defended with thousands of units, then brought the cruiser fleet, which he attacked losing his fleet. At that point I started attacking with riflemen to kill his units and had no more problems about defending my mainland cities. He was in modern era too, but I was about 6 techs ahead (30 to his 24), with about 300 beakers per turn etc.. I even rushed corporation, but after he realized there wasn't anything to do, he conceeded. The game on my side was even freezing every turn I chose a rifleman, and the turn after that it unfroze, and kept happening. However, it was a pretty good game.
The second one, I used Americans vs his Zulu.
Pretty fast one, I started with a great explorer. I won't talk about many details, I took his capital, took his second city and defended a to his tries to take cities back. At one point he quit because he was left with only Madrid, some units and a galleon. I got great pyramid anyway after I took his city. The only weird thing was that he got angkor wat, so the game was a bit confused (who owns Zimbabwe?)
So, after I got the title, he challenged me. I picked Americans and he picked Americans too.
Pretty fast game again, I took japan, got horseback riding and while I had 2 horses he had a horse army. He killed one of my horses so I decided to move my horse ahead instead of trying to defend with it. I built warriors to defend meanwhile, and at one point I took his empty capital while he was taking Japan.
The second game (which I won) was Chinese vs Chinese, and I'll talk about it later on.
Finally de-throned Sir Mawpawk the Great! Nicely done Morte.
That was one hell of run you had Mawpawk! How many title defenses did you have along the way?! Must have been near 20!!
You must have been getting a bit bored with these civs anyway...
Good show morte! even tho i was in full drunk mode i shall not make any excuses, and admit i got outclassed ! it was a good run , and im glad you were sober enough 2 write the good write up! your the kind of player i will have 2 play more games with (not drinking) 2 understand how 2 beat you better! good luck with that throne and i hope you get some good challengers along the way
cheerz red yea i learned alot about power civ matchups and yes you are right i was bored and gave it away..........not! i will return when im a withered old man morte and destroy you!
3 weeks ! and no challengers! i told you this would happen morte, time 2 kick your brother off fable 3 and give my crown back
Well, one of these days I think I will play, and why shouldn't anyone challenge me? That would be stupid, the only excuse could be the different timeline
I did challenge you and you never got back to me and everytime i see you online its your brother playing fable 3
Well, you challenged me for the other title, however I'll find time to play against you and Maw. Send me a message anyway, I'll tell my brother to let me play
alrite now, im back!
zulu vs mortes zulu i have a fairly good start with a close barb and start pumping out the impis morte grabs an early cap and 5 turns later i taake the indians out ,spanish are the last ai left so i sell em bronze and pottery as i cant get 2 them and morte eventually takes madrid but im guessing he didnt get nav as no galleons arrived , i throw up sum choke points and hit the apples and sneakily steal madrid from him so my city count is doing fine ,but he finds SOC and rushes code of laws i head for maths and eventually land a cat army,archer,legion at his front lines while sending a galleon 2 the backdoor, game for me.
america vs america
GB start for me but i wish i had settler walked a bit as it took awhile for my 3 warriors 2 find anything i find 7cog and take the romans for code of laws so its looking good for me , i didnt realize morte had found angor and had done just as much expansion as me and my extra money! i go for galleons and cats which eventually wins the day , loads of cities loads of units&(musta been about 100 militia on the map!), i think we were both on 19techs when the game finished.
i noticed in both of these games morte had no pressure 2 apply on me early which gave me a chance 2 expand and tech.
cheers morte yor expansion techniques are still a few levels above mine.but im luckyier
I challenge you again, these were pretty good games, even if I did too many mistakes. I sometimes don't like to wait a lot of turns and press enemies, even if I should
you probly wont have time 2 challenge me as you will be to busy trying to win bracket 2! anytime morte i look forward 2 our matches , most intensive games iv had in a long time, but then again some1 may have taken my crown by then.... any challengers?
hmm yeah you should spread the challenges around Morte may well be hte best possible challenger but it would be a bit lame for him and you to just continuously play eachother - unless there really are no other challengers (in which case ofcourse its fine but surely that isn't the case).
I'll play you in the absence of anyone else
Although if elthrasher or someone more worthy wants to have a go they can first, my statement above is not just a con to get me first on the list
King Mawpawk vs past his bedtime thrasher
my zulu vs thrashs china
find 7cog first and win some important even battles for the win
my america vs zulu
made a big mistake going the expansion route while thrasher finds the big money and soc and cleverly lays down 120bucks worth of road for his legion onslaught.
my china vs america
this game ended with a question mark but im pretty sure it would have been sum class A battles i had just landed a knight army with galleon fleet support and had taken a couple cities with another mob on the way and religion next turn ,thrasher was just about 2 tech feud but mr sandman raised his ugly
challenger forfeits!
got in a couple against mawpawk.
first game zulu vs zulu - actually the matchup iwas trying to avoid so i guess he out thought me on the pick :P
We met fast and I got the advantage in the early exchanges, and i got a early cap (germans) but he soon got americans and had access to the other civs like aztecs I managed to use up all the barbs and started to run short on gold. I killeda WA of his by the aztecs then set up to attack them but was to slow retreating and lost against the odds to the aztec defender. apparently that would have been good as the 7cog was next to the aztecs.
Mawpawk then built a lot of attacking units and came over and killed me - i was able to resist for quite a while but in the end he had more units than i could have built...
second game my US vs his. anyone would think i suck with the USA! I started with a GA and him with a GE. again he gets the more useful one. then i found i was blocked with barbs in a peninsular, so i planted my settler in the best spot and tried to build a ha and he captured england in about 3500. he teched to 5 techs and i only had 1 but soon as i had my HA i steamed over a few barbs and pumped some caravans into he french ai then attacked them. i traded tech with them to get my 5 tech (thanks also to mawpawk selling them some of his) because i figured without it I was dead for sure,but in the end that gave mawpawk too much of my gold be cause i mismanaged that, not optimizing when i bought techs and when i took their cities.
I tried to have a look for him with a HA (really jsut hoping to spot a city for a flip and a fluky comeback) but jsut got myself killed.
arrgh... ok a few more challengers for pawk then Ill have another go this time im going to get GB with the americans and my zulus will take rome for CoL and spain for Nav in about 3500bc
its quite fun power civing isnt it? i couldnt believe how much gold the french had i think they offered me 140 for alpha then 80 for IW then 59 not to attack them,they wanted 40 for monarchy but that was my ace in the hole tech.
Mawpawk vs CHUGG E
zulu vs zulu
chugg heads off for a sweet start taking out the arabs and the 2 remaining AI while im left with barely 100gld and a lonely little boat that finds angor wat for the comeback win ,with a little mixture of republic,fundy ,demo, fundy
oh and i think chugg and i would agree that if he had rememdered he had religion the game would have been his
america vs america
my GS finds a hut for 25g 2 pop an early horse and chase after chuggs rambling GE and after circling him a few times mange 2 grab the early win
Mawpawk vs RZ Racer
zulu vs RZs china
an earlywalkin on tripoli 4 me and 7cog seals the deal
my america vs Aztec(! racer didnt realize aztec was not in this tier but we played on)
fairly good start for racer as he lands 7cog at about 3700 an i have a GH by the time his horsearmy shows iv got legions ready and then its basically america and expansion time.
all fun games and both these competitors admit 2 not having much experience with the top end civs so good on yall for giving it a stab!
Excellent that lots of people are having a go at this one! This is what it is all about
Nobody challenged me, so what does that mean? In about a month Mawpawk was the only one to challenge meExcellent that lots of people are having a go at this one! This is what it is all about
Can't let these epic battles be forgotten.
I don't think Seven Cities mattered for you there. What mattered is you won every even battle and one in which I had the advantage. Lucky!
This game was awesome. I was so pissed at first because barb #1 gave me a galley and then my scout caught sight of your borders. I timed the walk-in perfectly. Well, perfect except for the fact that I had to click away first contact diplomacy twice for some reason. Then I said that yes, I really want to have an epic battle with you consisting of my wounded guy walking into your empty city and all your units vanishing. Nothing happened. Then I did it again. Nothing again. I tried a 3rd time and by then you'd rushed a defender. LAME!
But the mario gods work in mysterious ways. I was about ready to quit, but I got my 100 gold and figured I should plant it on a nice fishy spot near Confucius. I grabbed that for an explorer and a humanitarian (decent), then found Seven Cities nearby. Yeah, 120 gold worth of road. I used the Humanitarian so I could rush a settler out of my 100g city and put it three tiles from Washington. Then I could just keep pumping the legions at you until victory! It was one of my more successful legion rushes.
Yeah, you blew it a bit by teching techs you didn't need at all. You might have out-legioned me, though you'd still need some techs to do that. But this game was a testament to staying in and going full-on aggressive and so I dedicate it to the entire forum, even you.
I was tired and already playing badly but I think I had a shot due to being America. The good thing I did in this game was carefully avoid backfilling any useless techs (like Literacy, which you obviously had first) so I could be comfortably in medieval. I think even lazy play would have gotten me the game if I could have taken Madrid, but there was an unbeatable archer in there. So yeah, had to knock off at 2 AM acknowledging that while I had a chance, you were more likely to win due to my fatigue if nothing else.
I'm a one crown kind of guy really. Two wouldn't suit me.
It's not you. It's that sometimes we sort of forget about different challenges or tournaments and they don't get played for a while...kind of like bracket 2!
Well Mawpawk is on a lot. also there is somthing a little more relaxed about playing The Pawk.
But I'll challenge you if you win it back, and get myself slaughtered
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