King of the lower middle tier!

[ITZ DENI3D]

Title Defense vs Itz
Gm1 My greece beat his Egypt
Gm2 his greece beat my egypt
Gm3 My English beat his
Gm4 My Japan beat his
ggs

Greece V.S. Egypt he gets 7cog, SoC and Spain. My first vet HA I lost because I got pulled to my cap to tell me how great my culture was, my second lost to his HA 9-6.

Japan Mirror he gets Friendly right next to me at 4000 and gets a spy. Game over.

England mirror first game froze he got cap and I did. He got 7cog and I got AW GW. Wish it wouldn't have frozen. Replay he gets a boat from a barb that tells him where my cap was. He galley drops London, next turn I attack 2-1.5 and lose. What can you do? LOL

[GrizzleyTigers4]

Greece V.S. Egypt he gets 7cog, SoC and Spain. My first vet HA I lost because I got pulled to my cap to tell me how great my culture was, my second lost to his HA 9-6.

Japan Mirror he gets Friendly right next to me at 4000 and gets a spy. Game over.

England mirror first game froze he got cap and I did. He got 7cog and I got AW GW. Wish it wouldn't have frozen. Replay he gets a boat from a barb that tells him where my cap was. He galley drops London, next turn I attack 2-1.5 and lose. What can you do? LOL

Nah I didnt get a boat from a barb and it didnt tell me where you were at I found your borders...Whats with all the excuses man.......there was so much uneven battle luck in those games that it all evened out....

[ITZ DENI3D]

Nah I didnt get a boat from a barb and it didnt tell me where you were at I found your borders...Whats with all the excuses man.......there was so much uneven battle luck in those games that it all evened out....

How did you find my borders across an ocean? I didn't know you could do that? Uneven battle luck? Every time you attacked and retreated with your CA's I was ahead 31.5-30. Retreating right when you lose your 2nd catapult shouldn't be allowed anyways but they allow it so thats how it goes. I won like once or twice when I was behind with my Pike army. How many times you retreated it should have been invincible anyways...

[ITZ DENI3D]

Greece V.S. Egypt he gets 7cog, SoC and Spain. My first vet HA I lost because I got pulled to my cap to tell me how great my culture was, my second lost to his HA 9-6.

Japan Mirror he gets Friendly right next to me at 4000 and gets a spy. Game over.

England mirror first game froze he got cap and I did. He got 7cog and I got AW GW. Wish it wouldn't have frozen. Replay he gets a boat from a barb that tells him where my cap was. He galley drops London, next turn I attack 2-1.5 and lose. What can you do? LOL

Not taking anything away from you just pointing out like duke said most of those games were decided within 10 turns...

[GrizzleyTigers4]

How did you find my borders across an ocean? I didn't know you could do that? Uneven battle luck? Every time you attacked and retreated with your CA's I was ahead 31.5-30. Retreating right when you lose your 2nd catapult shouldn't be allowed anyways but they allow it so thats how it goes. I won like once or twice when I was behind with my Pike army. How many times you retreated it should have been invincible anyways...

Hahah...you are funny.....you won 14 50-50s in a row so I quit that game..that is uneven battle luck, I didnt bring it up because there was no reason to call it out....and yes I saw your borders at the edge of my screen across the ocean....its not hard when you build a boat....btw 31.5-30 isnt ahead thats a 50-50....

[ITZ DENI3D]

Hahah...you are funny.....you won 14 50-50s in a row so I quit that game..that is uneven battle luck, I didnt bring it up because there was no reason to call it out....and yes I saw your borders at the edge of my screen across the ocean....its not hard when you build a boat....btw 31.5-30 isnt ahead thats a 50-50....

Don't think it was that many but maybe... You did retreat a lot I lost count after 6...

[GrizzleyTigers4]

Don't think it was that many but maybe... You did retreat a lot I lost count after 6...

Yea it was pretty crazy, most I have seen is lke 4 n a row.....oh well, you used your pikes well

[Digitalpackrat]

Now its time to take another one of your titles. The tyrant challenges thee

[Digitalpackrat]

Game 1 my england vs his egypt
He takes rome but no tech and india. I find 7cog kt and aoc. I get knights early but we are so far apart they were not useful. He tried to come at me with cats but my archers r too strong and i back door his under defended cap with my ka and he concedes

[GrizzleyTigers4]

I forfeit my title packrat can have it any takers can play him

[Digitalpackrat]

I won 2 more games to take the title best out of 5.

2nd game was me egypt vs him england
grizz got screwed trying to take down a village while banking science, that turn he switched it but went quickly to take down a barb and accidently choose bw instead of hbr and that turn the barb gave him bw so he had 20/20 science for somthing he got for free from a barb. i start with stonehenge, 2 tree and 3 desert. get 3 warriors out and meet the spanish. i tech hbr and sell it to spanish and rush out a horse. i attack spains warrior to stop them teching bw and risk attacking spain from a hill with a single horse and win twice 3-2.5 and take spain for nav. next village gives me a boat and shows me GP for the GW since grizz was england. now i cant be attacked and have nav. i quickly switch all to gold and sell some units to hit my 100g and start expanding and grizz concedes.

3rd game. 1st try
Greece mirror match. grizz starts on a large island and we restart

3rd game 2nd try
his first barb gives him a tech. my first barb gives me a boat and shows me england. i galley drop them for monarchy. barbs were very stingy giving science or spys. grizz went hbr and takes out germans but i find GP in the game again for the GW and he cannot go to war with me. there are a ton of dye in the game. expand a little during ancient and explore his territory with my caravan. he goes to attack china and i give the caravan to bejing and he quits.

I had some amazing starts. GG

I am now the King of the lower middle tier.

[GrizzleyTigers4]

Yea that third game was in the bag......I wasnt going to lose that but like I said I forfeit the match so you can be the king

[Digitalpackrat]

Yea that third game was in the bag......I wasnt going to lose that but like I said I forfeit the match so you can be the king

you taking out berlin and probably would have taken china for writing would have been a good start but monarchy, plus GW, and I found 3 double dye spots and multiple spots with 5 or 6 other single dye and at least fish if not whale was beastly plus not having to defend my cities and can do what ever i wanted made my course pretty easy but i would have loved to finish the game to see how you would have countered but you quit

[GrizzleyTigers4]

you taking out berlin and probably would have taken china for writing would have been a good start but monarchy, plus GW, and I found 3 double dye spots and multiple spots with 5 or 6 other single dye and at least fish if not whale was beastly plus not having to defend my cities and can do what ever i wanted made my course pretty easy but i would have loved to finish the game to see how you would have countered but you quit

Nah your course wasnt easy at all...it was damn near impossible actually.......you would have had a tough time attacking me with pikeman and cats, plus I can attack you back that turn when you are in GW so you couldnt really attack me at all.....plus you leave out that I had 2 GS from SoC and 240g....

[Digitalpackrat]

this one has been undefended long enough I need a challenger to this title soon

[ScottieX]

Respect to Digital for making these titles available and even seeking out challengers

[Digitalpackrat]

Respect to Digital for making these titles available and even seeking out challengers

thanks scottie,

I defended against scottie
my english beat his egypt
my egypt beat his japan
my japan beat his greeks
GGs

[Digitalpackrat]

defended against multi. these were quick
my egypt beat his greeks and my japs beat his japs

[ScottieX]

challenged digital and he won 2-1.
good games but last one he won by getting 7cog and aw for GW .. ouch...
well played, but digital suggests he is retiring so i think maybe this is up for grabs if peopel want to play for it.

[Mawpawk]

All hail the mighty digital!, king titles weilllose 1 of the most staunchest competitors and kings eva, but understandable that youve had your civ fill..or any1 for that matter, im here 2 stay as it is still one of the most funnest online games i play

[ScottieX]

Anyways I'll play ya to reset this title if ya want. Or anyone who wants.

we played the last challenge as a best of 3 jap egypt greee as thats what digital thought was right. he wants england promoted as suggsted elsewhere. whos king of middle teir? do they want to take the extra civ?

[ITZ DENI3D]

Anyways I'll play ya to reset this title if ya want. Or anyone who wants.

we played the last challenge as a best of 3 jap egypt greee as thats what digital thought was right. he wants england promoted as suggsted elsewhere. whos king of middle teir? do they want to take the extra civ?

I'll challenge you. England definitely belongs in middle teir.

[ScottieX]

I'll challenge you. England definitely belongs in middle teir.

ok its on

[ITZ DENI3D]

Scotties upset that I called an island at 4000 and there happened to be an ai on it. He didn't call his because he didn't know or thought he could win with KT early. So he wants to take the title for when I called an island at 4000 and confirmed it at 3800. I don't know what your problem is but next time just say no island restarts at all, unbelievable... We are currently tied 2-2 but he wants the island to count as a win. I miss something?

[ScottieX]

No Im not upset at all.

Anyway - summary.
We played our 5 ganmes
he won two and I won two and there was one extra.

anyway background..
I have started checking with the diplo when people call island starts. not that I dont trust people - just that I think it is hte right thing to do. I offer it too (although that is very rare)

I have done it with another player recently and we called it in 4000, it as it happens was not an island - or if it was an island it was a bigish one - but that was cool - he honestly thought it was a little one. Same again with a 2nd player (maybe). I wouldnt have called either of those but I didnt mind, in fact I got lucky that time he would have beaten me.

In that game Itz called island in 4000BC. OK I asked for the diplo so I could see..

In this game I checked and noticed he had walked and was next to the zulu. he had settled next to them. I take it he had walked around and had a look at the island and he said that it was about 20 tiles I dont know this but no evidence to doubt it.
Sol anyway I presume it was the sort of reasonably small island that you get two civs starting locations on.

I told him I thought he was pushing it and he said that he forfited the game. I took that to mean that he forfited the game - but I think he just wanted me to tell him it was ok.

The problem is that calling big islands with two civs as an island start is a BIG shift from what I thought it meant. I played thorugh a probably smaller and more useless island start in the following game and would not have thought to call it as an island...

I hate to be pain on this one but surely there has to be a law about pushing beyond the boundaries in regard to this.

I knw itz doesnt understand but I dont mind loosing at all, I guyess I have nowhere near the hunger of some guys here (sometiems i wish i had more!).

[ScottieX]

FWIW in the game where I had an island start (i might call it a small continent at about 20 tiles) it was after the one where he had the island start. I knew from early on that my island was worse than his and didnt see the Kt till i got the only barb on the island (no other ai). Once I did I knew that I was in trouble - it took me ages to sail KT up to him and i could already see it was a long way to go (completly the wrong side of the island and it was not a helpful shape and even then there was island chain to get past). It would ahve taken me ages to get backup units up there from the cap so that was out of the question i had to take a city with the KT with 2A to support it. he atacked it 4.5 vs 4 and won with an injured HA (I wanted this as I couldnt have him having 2->3 defenders of his city - id loose for sure and I HAD to take that city.

But I didnt call it because I never call island starts like that - I dont want to play by those rules - and anyway to question itz and then to do it myself would be embarassing.

[ITZ DENI3D]

No Im not upset at all.

Anyway - summary.
We played our 5 ganmes
he won two and I won two and there was one extra.

anyway background..
I have started checking with the diplo when people call island starts. not that I dont trust people - just that I think it is hte right thing to do. I offer it too (although that is very rare)

I have done it with another player recently and we called it in 4000, it as it happens was not an island - or if it was an island it was a bigish one - but that was cool - he honestly thought it was a little one. Same again with a 2nd player (maybe). I wouldnt have called either of those but I didnt mind, in fact I got lucky that time he would have beaten me.

In that game Itz called island in 4000BC. OK I asked for the diplo so I could see..

In this game I checked and noticed he had walked and was next to the zulu. he had settled next to them. I take it he had walked around and had a look at the island and he said that it was about 20 tiles I dont know this but no evidence to doubt it.
Sol anyway I presume it was the sort of reasonably small island that you get two civs starting locations on.

I told him I thought he was pushing it and he said that he forfited the game. I took that to mean that he forfited the game - but I think he just wanted me to tell him it was ok.

The problem is that calling big islands with two civs as an island start is a BIG shift from what I thought it meant. I played thorugh a probably smaller and more useless island start in the following game and would not have thought to call it as an island...

I hate to be pain on this one but surely there has to be a law about pushing beyond the boundaries in regard to this.

I knw itz doesnt understand but I dont mind loosing at all, I guyess I have nowhere near the hunger of some guys here (sometiems i wish i had more!).

There is very rarely an ai on the island I started on. Thats fine. From now on whenever I play someone say no island restarts if not then island restarts are fine. For me there are either island restarts or there aren't, I assumed there were obviously but now I know against Scottie there are none. I'm fine either way but its either all or nothing, no ☺☺☺☺☺ing about the size of it, it either is or isn't and if you miscall its an automatic forfeit, thats it, simple and easy. Just remember before you play me to say whether we allow island restarts or not. Anyone confused still?

[ScottieX]

To me - this isnt between you and me - its about what the gentlemens rules of the game are.
Im not taking it personally although maybe you are.

ref amongst other things

http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread...island+restart

[ITZ DENI3D]

To me - this isnt between you and me - its about what the gentlemens rules of the game are.
Im not taking it personally although maybe you are.

ref amongst other things

http://forums.2kgames.com/showthread...island+restart

This is my rule. There are island restarts or there aren't. Don't play me if you don't like it. I don't care if its 5 or 35, if its an island and you know you can't win then call it by 3700, if you're wrong then its a forfeit.Or if not then all islands are played out. Don't like my rules then don't play me. As far as this series goes island restarts were allowed, so I'm willing to finish when you are. But there will be 0 island restarts when we play from now on. Setting a tile limit is stupid, so what if they have 21 tiles its a forfeit? Thats just retarded, thought the whole point of the island restart was to have a competitive game, if people are calling islands more than likely they can't win from it so I don't see the problem.

[Mawpawk]

cmon itz dnt be such a stick in the mud, i would vote for an island restart when you can see the whole island on turn 1, i always give peoples late island calls but its a bit unfair for example you land a goodie hut and it shows you the ark then its a definite island restart but if its 7cog are you gona ask for that restart? i easily allow my competition a restart as i hunger for a gd game, no word of a lie, but if sum1 using russia (example) requests a restart 2 times in a row i get suspect, but i also couldnt careless im here 2 play and if others need a segway 2 walk wit me so be it, 4000 bc island restart thats my vote and proof is needed.

also because these king titles are not yours and are for the benefit of this small community 2 make our player games more interesting do not be stipulating rules that WE or US dont agree with, if you dont like that then dont play king titles. alot of people are geting a bit 2 serious about things around here.

[Mawpawk]

a segway 2 walk with me! thats pure genius...and copyrighted as of now

[ScottieX]

Hmm I hve a theory that you create a strong law and then expect people to push the limits and concequences if they go over them... I thought what we had was an imperfect version of that ....a law with multiple versions - but that this crossed all of them...

anyway the line that is most clearly crossed is 2 civs on the continent => not island.

[ITZ DENI3D]

Hmm I hve a theory that you create a strong law and then expect people to push the limits and concequences if they go over them... I thought what we had was a law with multiple versions - but that this crossed all of them...

anyway the line that is most clearly crossed is 2 civs on the continent => not island.

But it was an island... Whats so confusing. Like I said, it either is or isn't, there is no in between for me. You can call it however you want, but thats how its going to be when I'm playing king titles. Don't like it don't play me, its either island restarts or no island restarts, everything else is speculation, "well you can't call that one it looks a little big..." or "there was an ai so its not an island". No. First game, tell me, island restarts or not. This is my rule for king titles when I play, simple, no room for people to b****, no one gets confused on the details, thats it. Jesus...

[ScottieX]

no details needed
you were in the equivilent of south america with the spanish and the portugese (assuming you cant walk across the panama cannel - about the same proportion land mass i think)
-> it doesnt seem to me to be the case similar to australia (that I thought we were also excluding) where there is only one "civ"
or the "cuba" case that I normally think of with 5 tiles (or a bit more).

If I let this go then it a bit of a revelation if poeple have been intentionally calling all of these two civ continents as islands... differences in that may be the single biggest individual effect on win ratios... (but Im not letting it go, again no emotion in it I just see a principle here)

[ITZ DENI3D]

Island:
noun
1.
a tract of land completely surrounded by water, and not large enough to be called a continent.

You seriously calling 20 tiles a continent?

[ScottieX]

2 of the 5 civs? yes indeed.

[ITZ DENI3D]

When I call islands I use the English definition of one.

[ScottieX]

greenland is the worlds largest island 2 million sqk
surface area of earth 510sqk

greenland is probably 3-4 tiles

Australia and antartica are not islands and are around 8 million sqk, maybe 14 tiles.

[ITZ DENI3D]

greenland is the worlds largest island 2 million sqk
surface area of earth 510sqk

greenland is probably 3-4 tiles

Australia and antartica are not islands and are around 8 million sqk, maybe 14 tiles.

They are called continent islands, its only considered a continent because it sits on its own tectonic plate.


Geographically, Australia is a continent, not an island. As a landform, it could be considered an island as it is entirely surrounded by water and not joined onto any other land mass. For this reason, it is often referred to as an island continent.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_Austral...#ixzz24E7WYDz9


Where did you get the tile count from? I'm pretty sure there are over a 100 tiles on the mainland in each map. Australia is around 5 percent of the Earth's total land area. There is no way that island was 5% of the total land area, I'd be lucky if it was 2% lol. Plus my island wasn't on a tectonic plate

[Mawpawk]

gd on you scottie you tell him! i agree with you totally , denied is geting confused that an island restart is actually a lack of tile restart, totally pushing it when another civ is on your land