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    New to the Civ Saga: My Take.

    Even though I like both RTSs and TBSs I have always refrained to play anything from the Civ Saga, while I read all the review since CivI up to CivIV I was always scared away by the apparent excessiyve difficulty of these titles, so I have no background whatsoever, now after 150 + hours playing the game I feel entitled to have an informed opinion about the game and I got back my money worth.

    Overall: I like the game quite a lot, what I heard is true, it's addictive, especially if you like Ucronian (alternate history) scenarios. Beating down Germany on a world map in the year 2050 with a fleet of "Roman Nuclear Submarines armed with ICBM" is simply priceless. Of course there are some serious issues with the game, some have been dealt with in time with patches; some others are still to be dealt with and the AI is all but perfect, especially if compared to the much more versatile human brain. Also, from time to time, the game appears a bit "dumbed down" which is good at first because it makes the learning curve less steep but bad later on when you become confident with the game because you feel somehow limited.

    Stack of Doom vs 1UPT:
    I have never played with the SoD system but I quite like the 1UPT system, yes I know it is rather not realistic on one hand, but on the other hand it stimulate strategical thinking (making use of chokepoint and avoiding getting choked), considering possible movements and counterattacks from the enemies, protecting weak units to avoid being overrun etc... The drawback is that AI has several problems handling this kind of strategical thinking. Add to the mix the AI has to be programmed to make "mistakes" every once in a while but possibly without the player realizing it did that on purpose (I guess no one would really like an AI that never makes any mistakes as much as no one would really like an AI that let the player win on purpose).

    Diplomacy: I agree with the most common rant, in general AI behaves like a schizophrenic, I remember a post about stating the player appears schizophrenic to the AI as well (Obliterating city states, killing neutral settlers and trying to trade with hostile AI for instance) and I concur. Something's not right here, hopefully though they will fix it (given enough time, support and patches).

    Hardware Problems & Crashes: I must admit I must have been lucky, apart from a corrupt game (more than 400 turns) caught in between 1.0 and the first patch I did not have any serious issues nor random crashes. Also, I did not experience any particular slowdown (except for loading times but I blame that on my choice of not installing the game on an old 7200RPM rather than the brand new SSD I have on my system. I reckon though, my rig belongs to the "lucky category" since several players aren't that lucky and are experiencing frequent crashes.

    Steam: I don't really like to be forced to use it, and I opted for the compromise of buying the retail version of the game to at least avoid downloading 5+ GB of data (I don't have a lightning fast internet connection as you may have guessed already) but I got used to use steam and I don't mind it that much now (I am far from liking it though).

    Game Community: I like to read about the games I play, discuss things with fellow player, ask for the occasional help and in general share my passion for videogames and I must admit I found a quite lively community which is certainly a plus in my book.

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    Yes, we are a lively bunch.

    Glad you're enjoying the game..even with the poorly coded AI.

    -.-

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    excellent game is excellent

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    Quote Originally Posted by the man of doom View Post
    excellent game is excellent
    I agree. It would be nice to find one nowadays...

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    This is nothing agaisnt you, so it seems that 2K has done an excellent job in getting people to get Civ V when people stayed away from games like Civ. While I find the game lacking and blah, it is nice to see new people who would never try out a Civ game and enjoy it.

    Good for you. I believe while there are two sides of who likes or dislikes Civ V, most of us here, no matter what side you are on, are here to help as well. Yes we can be a lively bunch sometimes. :P

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    The interesting thing is that, now I am no longer "new to the saga" I feel ready to try and play Civ IV as well as it doesn't 'scare' me anymore. We have a say here "Perhaps the devil's not as ugly as portrayed in paintings"

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    Civ5's "dummed down" features welcomes a new customer to the series, who had previously been overwelmed at IV.

    lol at those that have critised 2k's business model.

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    I am well aware being an old game it probably won't have all the comforts of the latest installment; still I'm itching to see how it was the past game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M A F I A View Post
    I am well aware being an old game it probably won't have all the comforts of the latest installment; still I'm itching to see how it was the past game.
    I am not trying to be negative here. Are you going to stop playing Civ V, and that is why you want to move onto Civ IV, or will you play both Civ V and Civ IV. I just find it that you are already to leave Civ V onto something else.

    If I can make a recomendationg, before you go onto Civ IV, not sure if you want to try Civ II. Yes the graphics are antiquated, but I say Civ II is one of the greatest games of all time. Then try Civ IV. If you play Civ IV you may not be able to go to Civ II then.

    Just a suggestion. This way you can see how the series progressed as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M A F I A View Post
    I am well aware being an old game it probably won't have all the comforts of the latest installment; still I'm itching to see how it was the past game.
    It's more fun and playable and dosn't lag or Crash Most of the civ 4 vets went back to 4 though so maybe play SP for a while

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    There's nothing wrong with easing the learning curve BUT there should also be a chance to do more things and have more informations (e.g. the Winning Screen definitely lacks stats and graph).

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    I am just shocked you are already willing to try Civ IV. Just to warn you, when I went back to Civ IV, I was trying to scroll the map, like I did in Civ V, and of course you can't and was so annoying. That is a great feature in Civ V, panning and moving around the map.

    Just be leary of that.

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    IMO, just as boring. Most mechanics that were removed from civ5, had matching replacements; Not really better (aside from things like SoD -> 1upt), just different. Both lack any real mechanical depth. The difference, of course, is that Civ4 has several huge mods that have been developed over the course of years with full DLL access; Those mods quite often DO possess depth. I'd recommend Fall from Heaven, Planetfall, Dune Wars, Rise of Mankind: A New Dawn.

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    I am not planning to leave Civ5 anytime soon, since I really enjoy the game and, contrary to popular belief I find it still challenging on Emperor and above, granted it could be due to my lackings in general strategy (at least not until I beat all the difficulty levels and won with all leaders and every scenario; which can require quite some time); I was just planning on buying & installing Civ4 on my Netbook which graphic wise isn't that performing as you may guess; but I am not sure the minimum specs are met by my Nvidia Ion-2.

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    Lively community? I prefer passionate.

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