Whats the point of this board?

[Lathieza]

Soooo whats the point of this board??

Is it only one way direction communication?? Cause to me it seems we only get updated on some news and thats it.

Things we report here... are they forwarded to the developers??
Cause i would like to have some answers from them and that they acknowledge the problems the game has. For example MULTIPLAYER!

Seriously wtf is going on here. I have to wait 6 months for a patch allready??

And a bit off topic. Are there any organisations or laws what protect customers against fraud? Im a bit done with waiting... i bought 2 copys and i want my money back.

[brxbrx]

There have been three patches in the last two months.

The support board is where you may query aid for the game's technical issues, from fellow players and occasionally 2k staff.

The other boards are meant to discuss whatever their title says.

Supposedly, the developers do look at the boards. I made a thread about this recently, but I received mostly corporate white-wash from 2kgreg.

Btw, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

[callan]

These forums are pretty useless in terms of any official communication or support, it's true. As far as I know very little that happens here is ever forwarded to the developers. At least they never confirm when they have taken anything onboard, much less offer advice. Of course this assumes a full development team still exists, which I doubt very much.

Depending on your country of residence your legal remedies will vary although they are, at their very best, a tad limited right now. For example, Activision was recently reported to the UK Consumer Watchdog (Office of Fair Trading) because of the problems with Black Ops but, to my knowledge, no action has been taken yet. I expect in the fullness of time they may well be fined but it's beyond the scope of the OFT to order refunds or anything like that. In any case if the OFT does find against Activision I expect it would be appealed, if for no other reason than to delay the imposition of a damaging precedent. In other words any decision is years off.

On the topic of refunds I am aware of a small group of people (from a certain forum I frequent - don't know them personally to my knowledge) that intend to take a developer to Small Claims Court here (Ireland) over alleged similar failings in a different game. Should their test case prove successful it could open the floodgates for a rash of litigation here since Small Claims allows for people to represent themselves and, as such, is free of costs.

Overall, these kind of issues (release before ready) are in their infancy and it's pretty hard to make any kind of prediction as to how things will progress in the coming years. If you are serious in your feeling of being wronged then I am afraid you'll need to be a bit of a pioneer if you want to have any hope of satisfaction.

[aeligos]

Supposedly, the developers do look at the boards. I made a thread about this recently, but I received mostly corporate white-wash from 2kgreg.

Corporate white-wash. I'm surprised you, out of all, would say that.

But can you elaborate a bit on that, brx, for those who may not fully understand what you mean?

Btw, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

But vinegar has far more applications.

[SirMaru]

Soooo whats the point of this board?? And a bit off topic. Are there any organisations or laws what protect customers against fraud? Im a bit done with waiting... i bought 2 copys and i want my money back.

The point of this board is for Civ V users to share ideas, help each other and reach 2K Firaxis either directly or indirectly.

For legal advice consult an attorney. I doubt if any attornies have time to frequent a game forum. If you have a law firm on retainer, you've already paid to file lawsuits and get advice. See them. I doubt if you have any SUSTAINABLE case since almost all video games are defective and I doubt if there is much case law with precedents to support unsatisfied gamers. Filing frivolous lawsuits may cost extra depending on the law firm.

You can also file a complaint with your State Attorney General or the Federal Trade Commission. You could beg the retailer where you purchased the game, to give you a credit even though he has no obligation to do so. Don't expect much out of any of those options either.

You can also private message Tech Ian, the only specialized Tech Support person here just to help game users and see if he can help you.

If you are really unhappy about this game, you can wait for the next patch which may fix a lot of issues, you can unisntall the game and just buy another video game, where you will probably have the same experience, OR, and I say this advisedly, you can try a scenario which has no bugs, crashes, slow downs or freezes known to me with my specific mix of hardware and software, but which does NOT have the Epoch goal of most Civilization games.

It is simply a 4 to 8 hour war game scenario with just one AI versus you in a fight to the death at the Immortal Level. You can download it here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?31k2d8kcs7x2ipv

Then you must move it to \ My Documents \ My Games \ Sid Meier's Civ V \ Single \ Save Game.

Then just open Civ V, go to Single Game and load it in to have a great time. I'm playing that scenario as we speak and find it very challenging and enjoyable.

[callan]

I doubt if you have any case since almost all video games are defective

It's probably not worth whatever little time this will take to respond to you since your sole motivation in posting is to spam your idea of what Civ should be in yet another thread regardless of topic. But here it goes anyway. Your argument is on the same level as saying almost all cars develop mechanical trouble at some point so it's not the manufacturers fault if your one explodes spontaneously or the accelerator pedal gets stuck and you crash. I'm sorry if it's rude to say so but that is just plain stupid.

[SirMaru]

Your argument is on the same level as saying almost all cars develop mechanical trouble at some point so it's not the manufacturers fault if your one explodes spontaneously or the accelerator pedal gets stuck and you crash. I'm sorry if it's rude to say so but that is just plain stupid.

ABSOLUTELY correct. Every car I've owned for the last 80 years has had defects and many of them were very severe. I've never yet sued a car manufacturer.

By the way, the recent Toyota case proves my point. Very FEW of the lawsuit filers on the "sticking gas pedal" flaw collected anything. For most it was a total waste of time. The real fault there was HUMANS flooring the pedal so it got stuck under the floor mat. Toyota has sinced re-designed the floor mats and pedals and the new Toyotas don't have the problem.

Most Toyota users NEVER floored the pedal and, thus, never encountered the problem. In my 80 years of driving I have NEVER floored any gas pedals. That is simply a suididal way to drive any car.

Any and all products can be misused to cause user problems. In addition, video games are NOT cars. No one has ever died in a video game under normal circumstances. A lot of folks DIE and sustain serious injuries using cars. The only exception to that was folks dying playing MMOG video games 24 hours or more without breaks in Japan, Korea and China. Those nations enacted new laws forcing MMOG video game publishers to FORCE players out for 8 hour breaks if they played 16 or more hours without a break. So far as I know, no Civ V players go 24 hours straight in a game. I could be wrong in that assumption, however.

All video games have problems as well. Civ V is no different than all the rest. Its up to video game users to play with the game variables to get it to work properly and enjoyably. For me in the last 5 years I have been unable to do so with EVERY video game purchase and uninstalled all within a week after purchase. Civ V is the ONLY video game still on my hard disk FOUR MONTHS after purchase. I just played a scenario today and expect to play it again later.

By the way, I discovered a variable in another thread I never knew existed. If one does NOT use Random Map Type and selects Continent Map Type, instead, one gets a NEW VARIABLE called Resources where one can balance AI and human resources in the game. I just learned that in THIS FORUM a few days ago. My current scenario now uses that new variable. We all can keep learining until our lives are over.

[brxbrx]

Corporate white-wash. I'm surprised you, out of all, would say that.

But can you elaborate a bit on that, brx, for those who may not fully understand what you mean?



But vinegar has far more applications.

I may be an optimist, but I'm not a sheep.

You are a cynic, and we're getting tired of your constant "baa baa-ing" on this forum.
We seem to be opposite reciprocals. I'm glad I'm on the good end of the shaft. A shame about you, though.

[callan]

ABSOLUTELY correct. Every car I've owned for the last 80 years

Just so you know, I stopped reading when I realised you are pretending to be a 96+ year old man with a broken Caps Lock key.

[SirMaru]

Just so you know, I stopped reading when I realised you are pretending to be a 96+ year old man with a broken Caps Lock key.

PS: I just lost that scenario in just 2 game hours by losing my Capitol, Washington, DC. It looks like I'll have to reduce to the next lower level. LOL. It took the AI just 64 turns to slam me.

Instead of feeling sorry for yourself about this "terrible game," why not download and try that scenario? See which event happens first: your system crashes or the AI CRUSHES you.

[callan]

I never said the game was "terrible" so I don't know why you are pretending to quote me doing so. Other than the fact you seem to be some kind of pathological liar. Please stop involving me in your off topic nonsense. I honestly can't understand why you are allowed to troll so many threads with your worthless jabber. Have you ever, even once, tried to actually help someone with the problems they are experiencing as opposed to acting like some kind of demented adbot?

[SirMaru]

Have you ever, even once, tried to actually help someone with the problems they are experiencing

Nope, never have done so. I just play this Forum as an extension of playing Civ V. I'm having a great time with both parts of this GAME !

Sometimes, I do learn a lot here and then it helps me with the game. You could try the same approach. You take life too seriously. Remember, laughing is much more beneficial than crying. Remember, both Civ V AND this Forum are GAMES to be enjoyed.

If you have trouble enjoying life, watch Jay Leno. He is the premiere comedian on the planet.

[Liberal]

PS: I just lost that scenario in just 2 game hours by losing my Capitol, Washington, DC.

Forgive my pedanticism, please. But Washington, DC is the United States capital. The Congress conducts its business in the United States capitol.

[brxbrx]

Just so you know, I stopped reading when I realised you are pretending to be a 96+ year old man with a broken Caps Lock key.

don't be a cynic