I'm currently in a marathon game, Huge, Terra, and it's only 1400 or so, so there's still quite a way to go. It's been a fun, exciting game so far with this new diplomacy system, I've been enthralled since day 1 with working the politics of this world...
...until lately. Now it's just excessively irritating and I don't care to continue playing until 2K patches the game up to an acceptable state.
Currently, I have a group of Friends--America, Russia and me. The Iroquois used to be a party of the group. But they backstabbed America first and conquered all but Boston and Washington. Then they backstabbed Russia, and stole her colonies. Then they backstabbed me--but were too weak to do anything. Merely denounced me.
Now I have a diplomacy penalty for ALL CIVILIZATIONS because HE backstabbed ME. "Your friends found a reason to denounce you." is utter ☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺.
Setting that aside, it would've been nice once I saw that the Iroquois were homicidal, back in like the B.C. era, I could've taken back my Friendship. Oh, I tried, but the only way to do so is to denounce them.
But even though he was a backstabbing jerk, denouncing him would've been backstabbing! And if you backstab a backstabber, everyone on the planet denounces you for not being nice!
Okay, let's set that aside. Rome, China, and France and I have become BFFs as of late. I guess liberating their capitols + destroying their oppressing Alexander and such made them like me!
...or they would have, had destroying Alexander not earned me the tag of 'warmonger.' Warmonger? Really? All I did was sit defensively for about 100 turns before deciding to lash out at his capitol, conquering it, and having him STILL not offer me peace. I waited, and waited, and fended off attacks, and then eventually continued conquering him--until he finally gave up and signed a peace treaty.
I'm such a warmonger! He's an innocent victim!
Okay, set that aside. So, if that wasn't the case, I still can't befriend those guys because I denounced them back when we were still fighting with warriors and archers.
I know the French are haughty, but damn, they can hold a grudge for nearly 5,000 years? Most Civilizations don't even keep _HISTORY BOOKS_ dating that far back.
I do like how some Civz can pretend to be friendly when they're actually hostile. Legitimately, that's kind of cool. Only cool thing I've noticed.
So let's see, where was I... oh, yeah, so, Alexander offered me half his territory if I stopped attacking him. I accepted. Askia offered me a town if I stopped attacking him (I hadn't started yet? Oh wlel, I guess he figured with Alexander gone my guns were going his way). Then the Babylonians offered me _EVERYTHING BUT THEIR CAPITOL_, including their luxury resources, strategic resources, gold, open borders, and their firstborn sons.
Hooray! I'm so big! I mean, it kind of sucks that I'm Ghandi and so everyone's angry, but I'm so big, tons of research and gold!
...wait, why is Napoleon pissed? "We asked you to not settle near our borders and you did it anyway?" I didn't settle your borders, I conquered the person who's been at war with you for millenia!
Oh, hey China, I liberated your capital. What's that? Stop settling near you? Move my army away from your capital? Stop being a warmonger? All of these things have translated into being hostile, and you immediatly denounce me? f*** you, China, f*** you. I don't need your U.N. vote anyway.
What's up, Russia, how's it... oh, you're mad at me because one of my friends found cause to backstab me? You mean, Hiawatha, the guy who's been making your life a living hell ever since he backstabbed you, you are upset that he backstabbed me?
This has made me sad. I can't play the game anymore, because e veryone is cascading into one massive coallation against me. What did I do? I made a few declarations back in the old days and had them haunt me into the modern era. That's stupid. "The only way to win is to not play" is true here because the only way I can win this game, is to wait until it's patched to make sense.
2K Games, please make the following items appear as they are, on your next patch notes. And by 'next patch notes' I mean 'By Friday, at the latest, downloading onto my PC.'
* Friendship and Denouncement declarations now last for 90 turns.
* Civilizations receiving a backstabbing diplo penalty from more than one source (as in, they backstabbed multiple allies) will now no longer provide a backstabbed Civ with the "you got backstabbed!" negative diplomatic trait
* Pacts of secrecy and pacts of cooperation have been reintegrated into the game.
* You can now demand friendship or denouncement between two other parties through the diplomacy screen
* Conquering a town near a border no longer applies the "don't settle near us" penalty.
* The 'don't settle near us' request fades after 90 turns. This is to prevent a Civilization from making the request in 3,900 B.C. and then getting angry when you violate it in 1,400 A.D.
* You can cancel a declaration of friendship or a denouncement for a minor, appropriate diplomacy penalty, which fades after 45 turns.
* Liberating a civilization's capitol, or resurrecting a civilization by liberating ANY of its towns, resets its diplomacy modifiers for all civilizations and grants you a unique "You liberated us!" bonus.
Also, things which would have saved me a lot of trouble:
* Clicking on a puppet state gives you the option of liberating it. In addition to restoring a fallen Civilization or City-State, this removes the "you conquered a city-state" diplomacy penalty in relation to that city state.
Feature requests that would have been really, really, REALLY cool:
* The ability to secede territory to a new civilization has been added. For instance, if you want to create a neutral buffer nation out of unwanted cities, you can cede them to create any of the Civilizations who were not loaded with the map. The best town is chosen and renamed as that nation's capitol.
Oh, and also should be in the patch, unrelated:
* Researching Astronomy allows map trading.
* Researching Satellites reveals the world map.
* Trade routes can be established to foreign capitols, for a substantially lower (but still significant) gold bonus. Foreign states attempt to build roads to your capitol when they can.
Those would be great. Because even with the horrible diplomacy system screwing up, at least it's still somewhat immersive, unlike a 1990 civilization not knowing what's beyond its borders, at all, and foreign trade outside of fur and wine being COMPLETLY nonexistent. Yeah, those make sense.