Found Rapture! (Major Spoilers)

[Klace]

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4307/bioshockjt8.jpg

Taken from the confrontation scene with Andrew Ryan.
Don't know if this helps anything, but I thought it was interesting to know where exactly Rapture was built under the sea.

[Death]

Ummm. Those coordinates are in FINLAND. Check Google Earth. 63.2 24.55

[Count Flip]

Ummm. Those coordinates are in FINLAND. Check Google Earth. 63.2 24.55
you forgot to put N and W cause when i did it i got a part of the ocean off the coast of Iceland

[Frish]

Good post - can only make out 'To Jack', 'from Mom and Dad', 'would you kindly' and the coords.

[sam_justice]

would you kindly being the key words ;)

[eatdamuffin]

Link me to the google maps location of rapture

[fidel998]

thanks for posting i was wondering what that said.

[Death]

Nm. Its off of Icelands southwest coast.

[Carrick]

Good post - can only make out 'To Jack', 'from Mom and Dad', 'would you kindly' and the coords.

I think the whole thing says:

"To Jack,
with love from Mom and Dad,

Would you kindly not open untill 65 2 N, 24 55 W

x x x
x x x"

[Death]

That is pretty neat. Now we know Jack was going to Iceland or going to the US.

[Carrick]

Heres what I don't get then;

This is petty but relevant.

It's the 1960s right? How exactly does one tell when you're over

65 2 N, 24 55 W?

I'm sure that handheld GPS's werent readily available and it's pretty hard to tell that from a map when you've no idea of your airspeed or direction of travel.

Anyone else seem to think that's a bit odd?

[SmallRuth]

Jack probably rushed up the cockpit at some point. Or maybe there was a super awesome Rapture GPS in the gift, too.

[Carrick]

Jack probably rushed up the cockpit at some point. Or maybe there was a super awesome Rapture GPS in the gift, too.

But that's my point though,

The package says not to open till midway through the flight, correct? Not to open untill he's over the coordinates. So how does he know when he's over them?

He wouldn't have rushed to the cockpit either because untill he opened the thing he wouldn't realise he needed to hijack the plane.

[DarkRuler4Life]

hopefully someone from 2K games or someone else can let us in on stuff like this.

[Death]

Rapture has a device that sends a hidden beacon out. Yeah... Thats it.

[Carrick]

But that's my point though,

The package says not to open till midway through the flight, correct? Not to open untill he's over the coordinates. So how does he know when he's over them?

He wouldn't have rushed to the cockpit either because untill he opened the thing he wouldn't realise he needed to hijack the plane.

(Sorry for double post but this just lead me to a possible answer to another of Raptures great plotholes)

The plane crash itself.

Perhaps he either a) Shot the pilot and flew the plane himself and did a crash landing that he was much more likely to survive
Or b) Held a gun to the pilots head and got him to do one

Reason why there were no other survivors? Perhaps he shot them all. Perhaps there were and they just came down later.

[SmallRuth]

But that's my point though,

The package says not to open till midway through the flight, correct? Not to open untill he's over the coordinates. So how does he know when he's over them?

He wouldn't have rushed to the cockpit either because untill he opened the thing he wouldn't realise he needed to hijack the plane.

Maybe, uh...then...um...a wizard did it?

[Carrick]

Well I was ABOUT to say that, geez.....

[Death]

The lighthouse could signal out the coordinates of Rapture. Lets go with that.

[SmallRuth]

Where's Ken when you need him?

[Carrick]

The lighthouse could signal out the coordinates of Rapture. Lets go with that.

I suppose that makes sense :P

(But still, how does he know that from his seat? Surely he'd have to be in the cockpit for that to work)

[Death]

He hijacks the plane and flys it on the regular route at a low enough altitude to see the lighthouse. When he sees it he crashes it.

[fischju]

Most people survive plane crashes, it's the fire and smoke that kill them. Remember, Jack is "modified" he has a much better chance of surviving

[Death]

We could just say that he was in the cockpit and he got thrown out through the window so that he wasnt in the fire and smoke...

[Carrick]

You're missing what I'm trying to say here. I get what you mean though.

The present tells him to open it at the coordinates. How does he know when he's at the coordinates from his passengers seat. How does he know when to open the present.

It's not untill he opens it that he has any assumption he needs to hijack the plane/be in the cockpit, so we assume (and the picture lends evidence to this as you can see the seatback of the person infront) that he opens it in the passenger area.

(Oh, and one other thing that bothers me though Jack probably overlooked this as it had the 3 magic words on it, isn't it a little odd getting a present that tells you not to open it till you're over a set of grid coordinates? That'd freak me out if I ever got a gift with that on the tag)

[Vanrick]

It is a paradox, your character just knows. Somebody asked would you kindly and you have to Obey, even unaturally.

[Carrick]

It is a paradox, your character just knows. Somebody asked would you kindly and you have to Obey, even unaturally.

Well at least someone else realises other than me :P

Though the "Kindly have to obey" bit is really down to the fiction of the whole thing. Genetics and all that.

[Death]

Have you even seen how they trained the LS. I thought the Big Daddy picture and lady picture and they choose. I died trying to get the lady... The big daddy only gave me chips...

[Rabbit]

Jack knew when he was flying over Rapture because he had been there before. The location was imprinted in his mind, and he sub conciously knew when to open the gift. So yeah, its that simple.

Jack just knew.

[Hod the Reborn]

You may as well ask 'Who is John Galt?'
Also, you can't take every manner of a game world completely seriously (obviously...). It's just a story element, probably one that doesn't have an explanation and isn't supposed to be supplied with one.

[ShatteredFox]

you know you forgot two things.

a.) He has to follow it no matter what so he automatically knew where it was. "Would you kindly get stepped on by a big daddy." If that work he doesn't know where they are, and if they would step on him(since they don't care for you.)

b.)Most planes(even old ones) have the coordinates imprinted on them

[Carrick]

You may as well ask 'Who is John Galt?'
Also, you can't take every manner of a game world completely seriously (obviously...). It's just a story element, probably one that doesn't have an explanation and isn't supposed to be supplied with one.

Oh I realise that completely. I'm just trying to fill the gaps in this fantastic storyline.

[Hod the Reborn]

Oh I realise that completely. I'm just trying to fill the gaps in this fantastic storyline.

*nods* That's how alot of good fanfic gets created.

[Rabbit]

*nods* That's how alot of good fanfic gets created.

I doubt how good a fanfic about coordinates would be...

[Def_Jef88]

Have you even seen how they trained the LS. I thought the Big Daddy picture and lady picture and they choose. I died trying to get the lady... The big daddy only gave me chips... I sat there and pressed the button for like an hour..... i was bored, but i got lotsa chips

[Hod the Reborn]

I doubt how good a fanfic about coordinates would be...

Well, you could have a whole backstory about how Jack grew up and whatnot.

[Aden]

The little sister Pictures in their training center sadden me a bit. The girl skipping along with a Daddy....ugh...

[Klace]

Okay.
There is no way he could see the Lighthouse from that high in the air.
From the start of the game the Lighthouse isn't even that tall.
And sure he may have subconsciously knew that Rapture was there.
But Fontaine implanted a completely new memory in Jack.
And he would never know where the coordinates are unless he was in the cockpit. Still, even though he subconsciously knew where Rapture was, he wouldn't know the coordinates of where to open that package.
Because the plane is high up in the air, he would not crash it where he knew Rapture was, but at the certain coordinates so the altitude would drop and crash before Rapture.
Keep discussing.

[Nalgae]

Uh, who's to say he couldn't have calculated it beforehand?

Take out a map, mark the coordinates. Find a flight that would go over it.
See how long that flight is. Multiply the length of the flight by the fraction of the line he needs to travel.

It said open the package when he is over those coordinates. He probably had that letter opened way beforehand.

[Carrick]

you know you forgot two things.

a.) He has to follow it no matter what so he automatically knew where it was. "Would you kindly get stepped on by a big daddy." If that work he doesn't know where they are, and if they would step on him(since they don't care for you.)

b.)Most planes(even old ones) have the coordinates imprinted on them

I'm sorry, but what you've said makes sooo little sense.

a) Who's to say that "Get stepped on by a big daddy" is literal? And also, even if he didn't know where they were he could actively search for them. They aren't that rare in Rapture...

It's probably a euphenism for "Kill yourself" in a manner of speaking. A failsafe they no doubt placed in his mind.

b) Coordinates to what exactly? Besides thats not what Im saying at all. Fine, if he gets to the cockpit, he can use the instruments to get to said coordinates, but how does he know when to open the present if he isn't in the cockpit? Oh genetics, how incredibly vague you are....

[Carrick]

Uh, who's to say he couldn't have calculated it beforehand?

Take out a map, mark the coordinates. Find a flight that would go over it.
See how long that flight is. Multiply the length of the flight by the fraction of the line he needs to travel.

It said open the package when he is over those coordinates. He probably had that letter opened way beforehand.

Aha, now that's the kind of solution I was looking for. That makes perfect sense. Besides, as we all know, Jack's a practical kind of guy.

[Klace]

Jack didn't know anything of Rapture at all before it.
The only possibility of calculation would be that Fontaine implanted a sort of future. like "Would you kindly do this at age X"
That makes the most sense.

[borgdrone89]

in the ryan cutscene, i got the impression that ryan sent out someone to prevent you from coming, but obviously the plan failed.

another thought is, since jack is genetically modified, maybe he has a magnetic-brain that can detect his coordinate position (like birds can)

[borgdrone89]

also, i think the coordinates are: 63.2N 14.55W, which in google earth take you about 160-240 km off the western side of iceland.

[SpeechMan]

But how did Jack know when the plane was at those coord? Even if he knew the flight plan, it would be hard as hell to know the exact moment, worst case would be he'd gone dozens of miles off the target.

[SpeechMan]

Oh, that was mentioned before, but still, that kind of calculations are next to impossible to make unless you're in the cockpit. Winds etc. change the speed and course of the plane dramatically.

[conantheking]

Awsome. But how did he know when he got to the correct co-ordinates?

[Grimhound]

Awsome. But how did he know when he got to the correct co-ordinates?

Probably some imprint similar to how a salmon finds itself back at the spawning grounds or how birds migrate.

[Skullknocker]

Carrick The note that tells him where to open the box is on the outside of the gift It just has a ribbon on it the first time you see it at the start of the game. For Story reasons Clearly.

Just wanted to clear that up.

[moving fusion]

Off the coast of iceland?

Crash landing in that water...

...he must have been freezing his nuts off...

[Nalgae]

Oh, that was mentioned before, but still, that kind of calculations are next to impossible to make unless you're in the cockpit. Winds etc. change the speed and course of the plane dramatically.

So he calculates the approximate spot, opens the gun, goes to the cockpit to hijack the plane and verifies the coordinates there.

[DisturbedPuppy]

The whole game is about genetic engineering. I would think they would have given him some sort of upgrade that allows him to know co-ordinates. With all the possibilities this game presents anything is possible.