I want it now(DX10),and it is WAYYY justified !! [Archive]

Glottis

03-01-2007, 01:19 AM

I dont just want a optional DX10 rendering path,I want a few rendering goodies throw in for us 8800 owners,and a DX10 path ASAP....

I mean,HEY,Ken !!! There are 400.000+ 8800 GTX/GTS owners out here !!
Its not like only a few thousand people bought these cards !!!!!! :cheeky:

And those numbers are from the 4TH quarter of 2006 !!!!!!! I bet there are
allot more now !! You want to make allot more sales !? Get another 'sub- team' on this DX10 stuff now,or better yet yesterday... :D

Maniac

03-01-2007, 01:39 AM

Unreal Engine 3 is a dx 9.0 engine. I should know, I was one of the first human beings to lay my eyes on it (press event).

So why do you want a dx 9 engine to be a dx 10 engine at the cost of a 500 dollar video card and another 300 dollars for an operating system? Am I failing to comprehend something here?

-Maniac

Glottis

03-01-2007, 02:18 AM

Apparently you are missing out on it,but thats ok,I expected most would :D

Two words: More Sales !!

UT3's dev team stated ages ago,that the game will ship with a DX10 rendering path.Its not DX 9 or 10 or 8,or anything.Its an evolving product and engine,always has been.

Whatever you say you saw,at a press event is null and void,as the game engine called Unreal 1 2 or 3,soon to be 4,I would imagine will support it soon or has for months already.There really is no "Unreal Engine3"

There are 'build' versions that licenses use,but not in the way some on the net seem to think.But that is unimportant,as we dont really know how much of the original 'Unreal Engine' IGS is using at this point.

My point is if market indications mean anything,and Ken has said in the podcast that thay do ! :p Then working on a DX10 path/extras is very important for sales.There is a large group of people out here dying to get DX10 game content into thier hands.

Three months ago,it was 400k + and counting.... You cannot ignore numbers that big,you'd be ignorant to do so.

Adabiviak

03-01-2007, 02:27 AM

Methinks you ask them to rewrite the engine, and therefore much of the rest of the game content over again to do this?

Necros

03-01-2007, 02:39 AM

If DX10 is already in, and it's an option, then it's ok. If they'd have to integrate it now -> so delay the game, HELL NO! :p
I think the game will look great without DX10. ;)

Maniac

03-01-2007, 02:44 AM

How the hell does restricting a user base equal MORE SALES? You have no logic to your arguement.

As for what I saw, yes it was ages ago, as was also apparently what you were told was said. What I saw was the first ground work for what would become Gears of War. A different product than Bioshock no doubt.

But in order to make Bioshock (or any game using licenced technology) there comes a point where the updates have to STOP, otherwise you'll never ship a game. There has to be a cut off point (a build that's stable enough to ship a game on) so devs can say "we're going to build the game on this, and anything we need to fix, we'll just fix ourselves, we can't wait any longer for further builds, and updates will put us behind."

Are those dx 10 pathways in the build that bioshock had? Maybe, but they have to not be broken by the game development process.

Your logic is still pretty terrible. You're comparing 400,000, 400,000 you keep saying. But first off that means that your max sales are those people. Not everyone who owns an 8800 is going to buy bioshock (deny all you want, they won't all buy it) dx 10 or no dx 10. So what you're doing is restricting sales and you're saying somehow this boosts sales?

Don't use the arguement that "People will buy it because it takes advantage of the hardware they spent so much money on!" Yeah and maybe three will. You can't promise that every single one of those 400,000 owners of 8800s (who would also have to have vista installed as well) will buy bioshock. They're probably still broke from the major purchases they already made, who can afford a 50 dollar game?

-Maniac

Necros

03-01-2007, 02:49 AM

How the hell does restricting a user base equal MORE SALES? You have no logic to your arguement.
-Maniac
http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif True. More people have average PCs or below that, and as I've been able to gather from various sites, most of them don't plan to upgrade to Vista until the end of the year. If the game came out next year, it would be justified but now it would be just dumb. :)

FrenchTart

03-01-2007, 05:02 AM

I've got an 8800 and to be honest, I couldn't care less as to DX10 support in BioShock. I bought the 8800 as it was the best bang-for-buck card available at the time (8800GTS 640MB for £250) and it's not like the card struggles in DX9 either.

Even if BioShock DID support DX10 out of the box, I'd probably use the DX9 rendering path for the forseeable future due to the absolutely awful driver support in Vista for..well, anything.

pn18

03-01-2007, 05:32 AM

Two words: More Sales !!
sry, but that's BS.

they would start again at the very beginning again, rewrite shaders, input, multiplayer, physics, just everything. there's absolutely no reason for converting a DX9 game to a DX10 game. no reason!

edit: vista sux :P

Rocketeer

03-01-2007, 07:39 AM

I think he means he wants the game to ship with a DX10 path; whilst he said he didn't want an 'optional' path I think he meant 'later patch'.

pn18

03-01-2007, 08:20 AM

I think he means he wants the game to ship with a DX10 path; whilst he said he didn't want an 'optional' path I think he meant 'later patch'.
ok, I see. but at the very basic conclusion it's still bull****.

Adabiviak

03-01-2007, 09:24 AM

...a second thought: to use it with DX10, one would need to be using Vista as well as having an 8800 caliber card. I would also think that since a DX10 port = Vista port, that this move would invite a higher-than-normal amount of problem/support calls.

Da Bubs

03-01-2007, 01:41 PM

they would start again at the very beginning again, rewrite shaders, input, multiplayer, physics, just everything. there's absolutely no reason for converting a DX9 game to a DX10 game. no reason!

I can think of a reason, to compete with Duke Nukem: Forever, I mean who actually wants to release a game these days?

edit: vista sux :P

agreed

and furthermore how is "I want it now(DX10),and it is WAYYY justified !!" a question? questions normally end with a question mark. that is more of a demand.

sorry to anyone who read this, this question activated ******* mode in me

Raveness

03-01-2007, 01:51 PM

Da Bubs

03-01-2007, 01:56 PM

Regardless of sales, would going to DirectX10 actually offer any functional benefit to the game? Would the developers be able to implement any features to Bioshock beyond window dressing to make it look that little bit prettier?

Im no DirectX expert or anything but I was under the impression that DirectX was a basically a grapical thing only

jackinthebox

03-01-2007, 02:29 PM

FrenchTart

03-01-2007, 08:59 PM

Have to disagree there. If you happen to be upgrading anyhow then an 8800 makes a lot of sense. An 8800 GTS 320MB version is reasonably cheap as high-end cards go and should do you well for a good while.

However, DX10 is NOT a reason to get an 8800 atm :) Not unless you just look at the one or two demos that run in DX10 mode and use your PC for nothing else.

Nik

03-01-2007, 10:46 PM

u do kno dx10 requires vista, so unless u have vista and if you dont i suggest you not get it because its terrible atm and 8800GTS isnt doing so well in vista. 8800GTS isnt even using dx10 in vista and people want to sew nvidia and microsoft.

Glottis

03-02-2007, 03:45 AM

I think he means he wants the game to ship with a DX10 path; whilst he said he didn't want an 'optional' path I think he meant 'later patch'.

Someone who can read,amazing !!!! Bravo to you ! :D A 'patch' would be fine,I just want to light a fire under the devs and 2K's chair,and get them to realize that the market is there IF they want to leverage it...

I never claimed that everyone who bought in to ealry DX10 hardware,would also run out and buy Bioshock,but it certainly would boost sales.All the same,if Ken announced on Monday that it would get a green light,BUT,it would delay the game another 6 months,then screw it!!

I am not that selfish,or foolish... :rolleyes: No reason to buy in now,if you play @ 12 x 10 or lower,but if you have a high end rig,and run games @ say
16x10 or like me 19x12,then you have many reasons to buy a 8800 NOW.

Raveness: In a word....yes,but only if properly implemented.

Da Bubs: Some of the responses have activated '******* mode' in me,but I am trying to refrain from being childish like some of the members on this sub forum... :) Your right,it comes across as far more of a demand then a query
doesnt it ? Oops...

pn18: Very intelligent,and adult responses on your part... "Its bull****" , "that's BS" , "vista sux :P"

High brow debating at its best..... :rolleyes:

No one is forcing you or anyone to use Vista or DX10 or an 8800 or a R600.

I just think that the people that are using the above should be catered to
in some way.HGL and Crysis will both ship with both rendering paths available.

Are you,or others here,implying that IG and 2K are not as competent as the devs of the previously mentioned studios/game titles ? Should 2K ignore a huge potential market ? Ken has alluded that Bioshock will have siome sort of DX10 support,but likely only after the game has shipped.Which is
ok with me,others may not agree with me.Thats ok to,but my desire for DX10
support in the is title is hardly bull****.And the drivers are far from garbage.

Necros

03-02-2007, 05:56 AM

pn18: Very intelligent,and adult responses on your part... "Its bull****" , "that's BS" , "vista sux :P"

High brow debating at its best..... :rolleyes:
He also said:
they would start again at the very beginning again, rewrite shaders, input, multiplayer, physics, just everything. there's absolutely no reason for converting a DX9 game to a DX10 game. no reason!
;)

Anyway I still think if DX10 support is already in, and it's an option, I'm ok with it. But if integrating it to the game means more delays, I say to hell with it! :p The game already looks great, there's no big need for DirectX10. Yes, it would look a little bit better but delaying it for some visual improvement is not a good idea.
However, releasing a patch that would allow DX10 support later is ok with me. I think there are more people who can't/won't buy DX10 hardware anytime soon, so it shouldn't be a forcing motive.

And I think noone was implying that IG is not a competent dev team. What gave you this idea? I think they are much better at making games than Valve and Crítek together. Those two teams didn't impress me very much with their simple FPSs... They were fun games but that's it.
Besides graphics is not the most important part of a game. The gameplay and the story matters most and BioShock is delivering great quality in these areas.

FrenchTart

03-02-2007, 06:01 AM

Reading comprehension can only go so far as the poster's writing comprehension. That's why you've got people misunderstanding you.

Thing is, with 8800 cards now, you're still faster in DX9 than any other cards available. So 8800 owners are already getting something from having their cards - better performance.

I don't think anybody would be opposed to DX10 being added as a later patch. It'd be pretty pointless to get riled up about that. You just need to choose your words more carefully when you make posts like this.

Da Bubs

03-02-2007, 06:55 PM

Glottis: where did half of that come from?

Da Bubs: Some of the responses have activated '******* mode' in me,but I am trying to refrain from being childish like some of the members on this sub forum... Your right,it comes across as far more of a demand then a query
doesnt it ? Oops...

you implyed that everyone exept you and Rocketeer are illiterate, thats not childish?

There is a good reason not to have a DX10 patch: money. Its my understanding that it would take a good chunk of time to do. Im going to take a guess that it would take 15 people 30 days to do. I am going to assume that these people work 8 hours days and are payed $15 dollars and hour. so 15 x 15 x 8 x 30 = $54,000. I personally think that is quite a bit of money and with DX10 being so new I dont think it is going to be that much of an improvement.

Glottis

03-03-2007, 08:20 PM

Posting when I am half asleep is a NO NO,then correct FrenchTart ? Englsih is not my first language,so cut me some slack,k? :)

I think,or have been lead to beleive that 2K has given them a nice budget to work with,so cash I dont think is the problem here.Many other titles are going with DX10,and do not sem to have a problem with it.Adding it does not mean having to scrap the rendering engine and start from scratch,as they are using a engine that already has support in it for a DX10 path,going back a ways(Unreal Engine).They care about a few extra hits on a webpage for the Big Daddy video,but will ignore 400+ thousand 8800 owners ? I dont think so.I wonder if the recent delay is DX10 related ? Me hopes...

I take back my comment on reading comprehension,that was uncalled for,and I want to apologize to any,and all who may have taken offense. :o

I realize I came across way to strong on the original post,and ruffled feathers,that did not need ruffling :(

Nvidias current Vista drivers are not that bad,and Vista is not everyones cup of tea,but is far from BS.No one is forcing anyone to use it or DX10.Dont like it ? stick to XP and DX9 then,no harm no foul. :) I have been using Vista on a daily basis sine RC1 and have little to no problems.Its the companies out there not writing drivers or outright refusing to,on hardware that needs it and
is not a decade old that should be flogged,not MS.

Again I apoligize,as the first post comes off as a insulting rant,and not a request.Still I want DX10 in Bioshock,and still think its a very reasonable request.

Da Bubs

03-03-2007, 11:13 PM

I take back my comment on reading comprehension,that was uncalled for,and I want to apologize to any,and all who may have taken offense.

wait, so this isnt about to degenerate into a flame war? bravo, glottis. And english isnt your first language? I should apologize for being an ass.

Im correct in thinking that games that use DX9 still work on 8800s, right?

those numbers I used were guesses, my point was that development time doesnt come cheap. And now for some more math, again Im guessing at alot of this. 400,000 8800s, lets say the improvement to the game DX10 makes convinces 1/100 of those to buy the game, that gives us 4,000 people who wouldnt buy the game without DX10. 2K makes $50 a game minus $10 for publishing costs. 40 x 4000 = $160,000. I guess it makes sense wih my numbers, which are certainly wrong, aslong 2K is doing the publishing and development and it takes less than three months to create the patch.

Glottis

03-30-2007, 11:42 PM

DX10 is in and will support higher end graphics for pc users,as well as faster frame rates !! Yummy !!!!!!! :D :cool:

And the game will support PC resolutions upto 2560x1600 widescreen with proper aspect ratios.I am very happy that I will be able to run the game in Vista with DX10 on my 8800GTS on a new Nec 2470WNX-BK LCD monitor @
1920x1200 ! I might even get away with a bit of AA,AF for sure ! with all options maxxed.

I sent back my Dell 2407WPF A04,and put in an order for the new Nec,which will be available in the retail channel starting early next week ! :cool:

http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1572685#post1572685

Maniac

04-01-2007, 06:02 PM

Well, looks like your 8800 has been recalled.

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/01/0429218

-Maniac

Redraf

04-01-2007, 06:20 PM

Have you noticed that article on the recall is tagged april fools? Sounds like its just a joke to me.

Maniac

04-01-2007, 06:24 PM

Have you noticed that article on the recall is tagged april fools? Sounds like its just a joke to me.

Yeah, I know it's a joke.

-Maniac

Adam Nuhfer

04-02-2007, 06:21 PM

I've got an 880GTX in my 6700 core duo machine. I running XP Pro and have no plans to go to Vista. I even got the free > [$12.98] Vista upgrade by buying my Win Xp Pro from New Egg. I'm giving the Vista disk to one of my fellow gaming community members. I have no problem gaming with Dir X 9 and Win XP Pro on my 8800GTX. Dir X 10 and Vista are not in my foreseeable future. I'll play BioShock on my X Box 360 if my current rig can't keep up.

Glottis

04-02-2007, 11:42 PM

At least we now have the choice to use DX10 if we want to.... :)

Dont like it ?,dont use it.... simple. :p

Adam Nuhfer

04-03-2007, 07:04 AM

I'm glad they did give everyone a choice, IG that is.

I'm not happy with the Dir X 10 being Vista only.

Glottis

04-03-2007, 11:44 AM

I'm not happy with the Dir X 10 being Vista only.

I dont know of anyone who is !

Still,getting a copy of Vista on the cheap is easy,especially if you know anyone who is in school/Uni.

witch

04-03-2007, 03:12 PM

Isn't Crysis's Dx10 stuff Vista only too? Do you need Vista for all Dx10 features for games?

Pinky_Powers

04-03-2007, 06:11 PM

Isn't Crysis's Dx10 stuff Vista only too? Do you need Vista for all Dx10 features for games?

Yes.

If you plan to use DirectX 10 at all, you will need Vista. But there are currently no games in development that will require you to own a DX10 card. They will all have a DX9 option for those who are on older cards and Windows XP.

However, eventually, Direct3D 10 will become standard, just as 9 is now.

wsad

04-11-2007, 06:04 PM

I searched but couldn't find much about this since things have changed so much with this game over the two years in the making. :)

I was wondering if this game will support DX10 as well? The game looks just so outstanding I thought maybe it did!

I just built my new rig less then 2 months ago... I am dieing to get some DX10 games and see how it runs!

Also, The release date set for Aug 21st.. Is this for PC? Or is PC release still around June?

jackinthebox

04-11-2007, 06:14 PM

wsad

04-11-2007, 06:23 PM

Thank you. Yeah I read through there but didn't really see a source that it was indeed going to be in DX10.

I'm over joyed to hear that it is! The game looks so awesome! An a few other games will be supporting DX10 as well this year, Such as Crysis, World In Conflict and a few others.

Can't wait to see what these two eVGA 8800 GTX KO's will do!

Darn, I was really hoping for a June release. Oh well!

Pinky_Powers

04-11-2007, 06:36 PM

dx10 is in and there's also a thread about it:

I want it now(DX10),and it is WAYYY justified !! (http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73&highlight=directx)

the release date should count for both systems...

Wow, I have the last post in that thread, and somehow I completely missed the part where Glottis says its in.

Still don't know where people are getting this info from; quite possibly just rumor.

Either way... now I look stupid (http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348&page=2). :)

wsad

04-11-2007, 06:43 PM

Yeah, I'd like a source... :( Cause I really hope DX10 is in. :)

BioShockWins

04-11-2007, 06:49 PM

i don't think it'll support DX10 =\

but i like your user name! hard core dude :cool:

wsad

04-11-2007, 06:58 PM

LOL! Thanks...

Well, As sweet as the HD videos looked, I thought for shure we'd see it having DX10.

Necros

04-11-2007, 08:32 PM

DX10 support is in, Ken Levine said it in earlier interviews. Like in this (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=74338) one. :)

But here are some other sources too:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=77741
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_DirectX_10_support

Pinky_Powers

04-11-2007, 08:47 PM

DX10 support is in, Ken Levine said it in earlier interviews. Like in this (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=74338) one. :)

Thank you for that. I am now a believer! :)

I found those other two "sources" myself when doing my own research, but they were not persuasive enough for me, seeing that they refused to give me any reason to trust them.

But from Ken's own mouth, that is all I needed.

Thanks again.

Glottis

04-11-2007, 09:57 PM

The german magazine interview had a qoute from Ken saying DX10 was in,
and would include slighly better graphics and faster framerates.

I hope the water effects in the game,make use of the DX10 geometry shaders as well...

wsad

04-11-2007, 10:05 PM

You guys don't know just how happy you made me right now! Woo!!!

Glottis

04-11-2007, 10:10 PM

You guys don't know just how happy you made me right now! Woo!!!

Good to hear wsad ! :D

We aim to please :)

wsad

04-11-2007, 10:16 PM

I'm shure BioShock will do just that once I get my hand's on it.

Glottis

04-11-2007, 11:10 PM

I am sure Ken and company will deliver a masterpiece.

Giftmacher

04-12-2007, 06:43 AM

wsad

04-12-2007, 03:46 PM

The 8800 Ultra will be coming out soon as well. :)

Pinky_Powers

04-12-2007, 06:37 PM

Along with the 8900s. I may sell my GTS and put it toward an 8900Ultra or something.

wsad

04-12-2007, 07:52 PM

If they hurry, I'd like to use the Step Up program from eVGA.

Glottis

04-12-2007, 08:20 PM

Now the upgrade dilemma... wait for the R600 to see what AMD have up their sleeve, or grab an 8800 now... Without Dx10 benchmarking or games to test right now it seems a bit of a moot point. :D

Gift.

I am no AMDati fan,but,I would wait at least until after r600 is reviewed as it will likely make the 8800 series drop in price a little.Then again maybe not.I'm sticking with my eVGA 8800GTS 640.

I think we will see a repeat of the R520........... it ships way late, (on 80nm marchitecture) then a few months later R580 hits on a smaller process (R650 on 65nm,with slightly higher clocks...)

I also think that Nvidia will piss on AMDati's parade shortly after launch/editors day in Tunisia,with a 8800 Ultra or a variant there of... also on 65nm.Some people have boards in hand now,and say it'll ship with 512Mb ddr3 ram,512 bit bus,has same'ish pq,and same'ish performance.But that it has more 'features'.Possibly on board audio of some sort.

I do not think the rumours of a 399 price point at the high end,will pan out at all.It runs hotter is the rumour then the 8800,and does consume more power then the GTX,and way more then GTS... But its also said it has a better way of exhausting hot air from the pc case.Putting it on store shelves @ 399$ usd would canabalize their profits,and margins at the low and mid range;that is something AMD would have to be suicidal to do,given that they are bleeding money,and have been for a while,thanks to Intel and Nvidia,and need to starting making money and lots of it,like yesterday. ;)

greylantern

04-12-2007, 08:44 PM

Yeah I would't let any future games dictate what new DX10 hardware you buy now... in other words wait until the games are out (or almost out) and then see what ATI is offering and how the newer NVIDIA stuff compares to the current GF8 stuff.

I am waiting anyway because there is no special reason to upgrade until the games are released and even if the newer stuff ends up too expensive we will get the old stuff cheaper...

Maniac

04-21-2007, 07:30 PM

I argued with one of the users on this board a few weeks ago about the problems of implementation of a dx9 engine (u3) with dx10 features. Paticularly I mentioned that the implementation could delay the release of bioshock, and the costs of building a rig with the card itself plus vista os would put a guy so far into the poor house he probably wouldn't be able to afford bioshock afterwards.

I am currently building a new rig (new processor, ram, power supply, graphics card) , and knowing all this, I gladly bought a dx10 graphics card. I will not get vista however until at least may, but of course it will be eventual.

-Maniac

wsad

04-22-2007, 02:51 AM

Well, With NVidia's new line, Such as the 8600, Which markets at bout 180$. It's a great cheap / nice video card for DX10 support...

Prices will start dropping very fast for DX10 cards...

501105

04-22-2007, 06:16 AM

I do hope that people realize that the 8600 has problems with most high demanding dx9 games so dont count on it to run dx10 games properly.

Maniac

04-22-2007, 03:41 PM

I wouldn't call them problems, I read the benchmarks. More like you get what you pay for, you pay for a mid-range card you get mid range performance, but that's compared to this generation, and you have the dx10 and shader model 4.0 features.

-Maniac

Pinky_Powers

04-22-2007, 03:47 PM

Actually, it is a very very good card for the price. Very much in the same way as the 6600 and 7600's were. You won't be playing the newest games at their highest settings, but you will be playing them. And Running DX10 games won't be any worse than DX9 titles. But you may have to play at Medium settings for pretty much all newer releases.

501105

04-22-2007, 03:55 PM

Just as long as it runs not too memory hungry games (it has 128-bit you can already see GRAW taking its toll with 25 fps on 1200-1024)

Bioshock_FTW!

04-25-2007, 06:14 PM

MF9000

04-25-2007, 08:49 PM

Bioshock_FTW!

04-25-2007, 10:50 PM

That would definitely be sweet. I'm not really inclined at the moment to upgrade to Vista. I'll wait until the thousands of "beta" testers (those that made the plunge) work out the bugs. :rolleyes: :)

Sorry if i didn't clarify enough, this DX 9.x release is going to be for XP. So regardless of if Microsoft does a release or not, we'll have DX10 compatibility in XP. Sweet or what?

On another note, I'm glad folks are in their right minds enough to stay away from Vista. Even sales people at retail stores have been telling people to stay away from it.
...yet i have dozens of clients at work who decided they'd buy a bunch of new vista machines and network them.
BAD. IDEA. PERIOD.

.!

This new TCP/IP v6 or whatever update bull**** is the ****ing pits. Networks are fine if there's a Vista machine here and there, but 100% vista machines? good friggin luck!

alright that turned into a stoned vista rant. god damnit I hate it.

wsad

04-26-2007, 02:14 AM

From what I've read, The only thing XP will get that will be close to DX10, But still far from it will be that of DX9.5C.

I'm running Vista Ultimate 64 bit, And over all happy with it.

Pinky_Powers

04-26-2007, 02:29 AM

I'm running Vista Ultimate 64 bit, And over all happy with it.

You and I both. Especially with this latest nVidia driver update. Everything seems to be just splendid. :D

MF9000

04-26-2007, 03:16 AM

From what I've read, The only thing XP will get that will be close to DX10, But still far from it will be that of DX9.5C.

I'm running Vista Ultimate 64 bit, And over all happy with it.

Vista Ultimate 64 is what I will eventually upgrade to, but I usually wait a while to see how things sort out. I'm glad to hear that you aren't having problems. How do your older games (XP or lower Win versions compatible) run on your machine? I wouldn't be very happy if some of my favorite games that run under XP won't run under Vista. I experienced that when I upgraded from Win 98 to XP and Dungeon Keeper didn't run very well. Old I know, but still fun. :)

wsad

04-26-2007, 01:29 PM

There is a list out of games that don't work with 64 Bit Vista, Not to many... The only games I've had a problem with have been Sid M. RailRoads... It doesn't support Vista and doesn't look like they will patch it either. :( And also EA's Generals / Zero Hour.

Everything else I haven't had one problem with.

And Pinky, I couldn't agree more... Although still beta Vista drivers the 158.19 drivers have fixed a ton of things for me! Just waiting for some better over clocking tools and fan control!!!

Bioshock_FTW!

05-29-2007, 12:31 PM

http://www.crysis-online.com/Media/Images/Screenshots/Comparison-01.jpg

http://www.crysis-online.com/Media/Images/Screenshots/Comparison-02.jpg

http://www.crysis-online.com/Media/Images/Screenshots/Comparison-03.jpg

http://www.crysis-online.com/Media/Images/Screenshots/Comparison-05.jpg

Freddo

05-29-2007, 12:47 PM

That's Crysis and not Bioshock, so what is it doing here? :confused:

Bioshock_FTW!

05-29-2007, 12:49 PM

Ah i was trying to drum up a thread in which DX10 was the primary topic of conversation and I found this without noticing it was under Questions for the Team. My bad.

Kill the BDs

05-29-2007, 03:33 PM

will it work well ona 6600 gt nvidia?

Derangel

05-29-2007, 03:45 PM

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070424-project-aims-to-bring-dx10-gaming-to-xp-linux-os-x.html

One of the developers I work with who was on the Vista beta, also mentioned that DX10 was never originally intended to be Vista-only, and there's a strong chance Microsoft will be releasing another DX 9.x release with 9 out of 10 DX10 features included.
BUT this project would sorta solve that issue now, wouldn't it? :)

I know this is an old post, but I'd like to point out the DX10 is built directly with Vista in mind. DX10 was always Vista only. In order to make DX10 work on XP they would have to do an almost toal reworking of the language. There is no "som DX10 features" either. DX10 is basically simply a more efficiant version of DX9 with support for geometry shaders thrown in (someone on the dev team can clarify or debunk this, as I'm only passing along what I've been told by people who know more about programming languages then myself). That aside, DX9 can not be as efficiant as DX10, but it can do everything DX10 can (albit at a lower frame-rate), just like OpenGL can do everything DX can.

I'm rambling so I'll make one final note: Vista's code and architexture are radically different than XPs, just as XPs was radically different from OS' built on the 95 kernel, this is why drivers are iffy, as well as why software support is taking a while to catch up. Everything has to be rewritten to take advantage of Vista and its unique features. The DX10 programming language, as well as the API and consumer side of the deal is fully hard coded into Vista and the language takes full advantage of Vista.

Basically: MS won't make DX10 for XP in any way shape or form. They are however working on a final update to the DX9 code that will do something, not sure what, likely just increase its efficiancy a bit.

Bioshock_FTW!

05-29-2007, 04:04 PM

Interesting info, and I guess he had heard the rumor spoken of on this Wikipedia entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX).

"Direct3D 9Ex (previously known as 9.0L): allows full access to the new capabilities of WDDM (if WDDM drivers are installed, of course) while maintaining compatibility for existing Direct3D applications by putting it in a separate API. The Windows Aero user interface relies on D3D 9Ex. When 9Ex was still codenamed 9.0L, there were rumors that this would be Direct3D 10 for Windows XP. It was quickly pointed out that this was not the case, mainly due to lack of support for WDDM in Windows XP."

CodeMonkey

06-14-2007, 08:42 AM

i think there's no reason to buy a 8800 at this time since it is just too fast for new games and it'll be 50% cheaper when BioShock will be released... and: you are supporting the graphics-hype which most computergames suffer nowadays.

Too fast? How dare you sir! ;)

Well, I LOVE my 8800GTX because I can run WoW at 1920x1200 with all the options maxed with zero slow-down. Not only that but I'm running WoW in windowed mode (slower than running it in fullscreen mode) so I can use a second monitor to look up quests and other information while playing.

CodeMonkey

06-14-2007, 08:52 AM

<snip> Basically: MS won't make DX10 for XP in any way shape or form. They are however working on a final update to the DX9 code that will do something, not sure what, likely just increase its efficiancy a bit.

Microsoft might not do it but these guys are:
DX10 for Mac, WinXP, and Linux (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/keep-dreaming/alky-project-hopes-to-bring-directx-10-gaming-to-mac-winxp-and-linux-256366.php)

Freddo

06-14-2007, 10:49 AM

Microsoft might not do it but these guys are:
DX10 for Mac, WinXP, and Linux (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/keep-dreaming/alky-project-hopes-to-bring-directx-10-gaming-to-mac-winxp-and-linux-256366.php)
I read that awhile ago and I don't think they will ever finish it. It's a stunt to get money. If you get to their official site you have to "donate" $50 USD to see any kind of info, and their beta program so far only works with Prey, an OpenGL game that doesn't use DX10 (or Direct3D at all for that matter). So in my eyes, it's a joke, vaporware and a scam.

And if they for some reason managed to do it, it won't happen anytime soon, but plenty years into the future, and by then DX10 is old news and even the cheapest cards on the market will have support for it, and Vista (or newer Windows) will be the norm as XP is now.

Wine and TransGaming Technologies have a much higher chance of succeeding with this, doing their DX -> OpenGL wrapper as they have done for years, and even then it will take plenty of years before DX10 support is done.