Invention

[ffanxii4ever]

You keep hearing the invention system mentioned, but is it truly an invention system? Will we actually be able to scavenge materials and create our own homemade weapons and mods, or is it just a way of calling the way that you will be modding your weapons? Maybe we can use the photography system and get pictures of things such as the homemade grenades mentioned in the recent screenshot scenario contest, and then be able to create our own grenades if we find the correct materials? :confused:

Is anyone else excited about this portion of the game, as so little has been released about this?

[v.dog]

I don't know much about it, but Ken has be quoted as saying "I love me some of that Dark Cloud 2".

[jackinthebox]

i don't really know how the system is going to look/work, but it sounds very nice... since rapture was built as a peaceful city, your only chance to get some better weapons is to actually build them :confused: of course there will be some weapons lying around which were made by other inhabitants who were sensing the danger of the society down there, but i hope you will be able to make your own "rifles" ;)

[Necros]

In the new screenshot scenario, the splicer has home-made grenades. He created it using empty tin cans and... something else. :)
So, I think we can pick up many things and in the inventory we'll have a window where we can try putting them together.

[^ilovebioshock!]

if you have everplayed a game Cold Winter it is for PS2 you can make bombs and stuff like that if you find right materials:)

[^ilovebioshock!]

In the new screenshot scenario, the splicer has home-made grenades. He created it using empty tin cans and... something else. :)
So, I think we can pick up many things and in the inventory we'll have a window where we can try putting them together.

that would be awsome

[Da Bubs]

that would be very awesome indeed

[DemonLink]

What I think yould be really sweet would be if you could get, and modify the Adam gathering tool the little sisters have.
You could gather adam like the little sisters do, maybe even extract plasmids from fallen splicers. :D
It would be neat to be able to damage anothers plasmid! With some kind of vision enhancement, you could target and destroy their plasmids in mid battle... Though that would make them unlootable. :p

[pn18]

I'm color-blind/I ignore colored posts. what did he write?

[Uponemandus]

quote:

What I think yould be really sweet would be if you could get, and modify the Adam gathering tool the little sisters have.
You could gather adam like the little sisters do, maybe even extract plasmids from fallen splicers.
It would be neat to be able to damage anothers plasmid! With some kind of vision enhancement, you could target and destroy their plasmids in mid battle... Though that would make them unlootable.

[pn18]

quote:

What I think yould be really sweet would be if you could get, and modify the Adam gathering tool the little sisters have.
You could gather adam like the little sisters do, maybe even extract plasmids from fallen splicers.
It would be neat to be able to damage anothers plasmid! With some kind of vision enhancement, you could target and destroy their plasmids in mid battle... Though that would make them unlootable.
thx. but this would destroy the player/big daddy/littl'sis relationship :eek:

[DemonLink]

How would it ruin their relationship? You kill a big daddy, and a little sister and start draining corpses. How would affect the others besides te ones you killed to get the "harvester"?

[3Suns]

I don't think the goo from the body would do you any good, even if you could extract it with the little sister's tool. I think I read somewhere that her eating it, is what turns it into useable material (I don't know how it is they get it from her, however). Hmm...

[ffanxii4ever]

I don't think the goo from the body would do you any good, even if you could extract it with the little sister's tool. I think I read somewhere that her eating it, is what turns it into useable material (I don't know how it is they get it from her, however). Hmm...
That is exactly it, the tool is just extracting it in its inert form, so that it can be processed into a usable form

[Renight]

I think that would be awsome, like taking out one of those security bots and, with some smartness Plasmites, take the machine gun off of it. But other things, like a grenade for example would take alot of parts to get and make.
What I also thought would be cool was making a hive, you know how in that intro video, he makes all those wasp things come out of his hand. it would be cool if he could make a gun to house them, and then fire them with some kind of air blast of irritent or something.
And finally, I would love to make traps, you know, taking a bunch of heavy objects, put them over a door on a plank, and meleeing a string to drop it on a big daddy, doing a little damge, helping in the fight agianst him. Of corse, it would all be phyiscs, like you could press the E key to pick something up, it floats in front of you like in oblivion, or mabye it shows you hand grabbing it, and you could set it up, anywhere, anytime. Adding another something to the games great, choose you own path kind of thing.

[^ilovebioshock!]

I think that would be awsome, like taking out one of those security bots and, with some smartness Plasmites, take the machine gun off of it. But other things, like a grenade for example would take alot of parts to get and make.
What I also thought would be cool was making a hive, you know how in that intro video, he makes all those wasp things come out of his hand. it would be cool if he could make a gun to house them, and then fire them with some kind of air blast of irritent or something.
And finally, I would love to make traps, you know, taking a bunch of heavy objects, put them over a door on a plank, and meleeing a string to drop it on a big daddy, doing a little damge, helping in the fight agianst him. Of corse, it would all be phyiscs, like you could press the E key to pick something up, it floats in front of you like in oblivion, or mabye it shows you hand grabbing it, and you could set it up, anywhere, anytime. Adding another something to the games great, choose you own path kind of thing.

and if you are not tall enough you can throw the object:D

[37inf.div.]

I hope it's not some click to mix this with this and it works or dosnt I think if u have the materials you should make it. And if it sucks then it will a just not work when u try it or end up killing u and flip side if u make something desighner havnt thaught of then you should be rewardid wiht your new amazing weapon

[Derftron]

Ken plays Dark Cloud? :D

[v.dog]

Yes, actually. He said previously on the invention system "Love me some of that Dark Cloud 2"

[poopypooperson]

I think the invention system will be pretty deep, it says in an achievement to make at least 100 items.

[Bioshocker23]

I think that may refer to modifieing weapons.

[poopypooperson]

I think that may refer to modifieing weapons.Nope, in a review, it said he found bee wax, a shotgun case, and he made various things like tonics and hacking items.

[Shakura Jolithion]

I think the invention system will be pretty deep, it says in an achievement to make at least 100 items.

Deep and numerous are two very, very different things.

From the achievements, you can obviously invent some of the ammo. Therer's also *one* weapon you can invent, and only one (forget the quote...). However, you may be able to invent some of the modifications. My guess is that a majority of the inventions are various tonics. You obviously won't be inventing any super-duper-uber garbage, just things that fit within the games bounds; tonics, whatever the weapon is, ammo, possibly some other form of upgrades. You won't be inventing: magical weapons of doom and destruction that fire rockets that kill everything in 1 hit, stuff that really screws with the game's basic mechanics (i.e. an adam harvester & converter...), and generally anything else that would totally alter the game in a way that would feel like cheating/modding.

[poopypooperson]

Deep and numerous are two very, very different things.

From the achievements, you can obviously invent some of the ammo. Therer's also *one* weapon you can invent, and only one (forget the quote...). However, you may be able to invent some of the modifications. My guess is that a majority of the inventions are various tonics. You obviously won't be inventing any super-duper-uber garbage, just things that fit within the games bounds; tonics, whatever the weapon is, ammo, possibly some other form of upgrades. You won't be inventing: magical weapons of doom and destruction that fire rockets that kill everything in 1 hit, stuff that really screws with the game's basic mechanics (i.e. an adam harvester & converter...), and generally anything else that would totally alter the game in a way that would feel like cheating/modding.You can invent all three ammo types, one ammo type that you HAVE to invent to use (thus, "Invent all possible ammo types" in achievement). I never said you'd be inventing magical weapons of doom and destruction that fires rockets and kills everything in 1 hit, it wouldn't make any sense, and like you said, would break the game.

[poopypooperson]

By deep, I meant you aren't constricted to 1 specific item to invent. You have ammo types, tonics, plasmids, quest-specific items, hacking items, etc. What I'd consider a shallow inventing system would be only allowing you to make quest-specific items only, not allowing you to experiment with it.

And where did you hear of a weapon that you can invent? I've never heard of that.