Different varieties of big daddy?

[mercenar3]

now i know that there will be big daddy's with drills rivets etc. That will all look different. But what i am asking is will there be two big daddys with drill weapons that look different or maybe have different armor but still be under the bouncer class (it is bouncer class right i know that one other is called rosie).

[Da Bubs]

the guy in the Gamespot after hours interview said there were three

[Xerxes]

I just wish big daddies will be really hard to kill. I hope near the end of the game the'll still put on a good fight against my guns... (or plasmids) ;)

[Da Bubs]

from the gamespot X06 preview:

" In case you lost track, that's several pistol and shotgun rounds, an angry splicer, a couple grenades, a few sentry robots, and a propane bomb to take down a single big daddy. The entire battle lasted between 5 to 10 minutes, which is ages in the world of first-person shooters where twitch reflexes and one-shot kills are the standard."

[B1g Boom]

In other words when you get the game try not to attack one:)

unless you realy want to fight as as he said for ten minutes

[ffanxii4ever]

Well they are supposed to be the "boss fights" in this game, so I expect a long, drawn out battle

[Adabiviak]

I don't think they'll be boss fights in the traditional sense - you won't be required to drop one to progress, but it will always be an option if you want to tango.

[Flash Johnson]

it seems like out of nowhere people assumed big daddies are going to be bosses. sure they'll eat nails, but they're going to be everywhere, how many boss fights do you need? i expect bosses to be the piano dude, for one.

[Uponemandus]

it seems like out of nowhere people assumed big daddies are going to be bosses. sure they'll eat nails, but they're going to be everywhere, how many boss fights do you need? i expect bosses to be the piano dude, for one.

from the MTV interview with Ken Levine:

"the "BioShock" Big Daddies will roam, and the player hunts the bosses and picks the fight. "You decide where [the fight] happens," he said. "You set up the ambush. It's a tough fight. ... These are bosses that just live in the world. You determine the rules of engagement."

[Flash Johnson]

yeah i saw that but to me it reads big daddies roam, comma, and that bosses also roam. also keep in mind that was the mtv interview where he totally hyped the big daddies and not much else. again, just the way i read it.

im not going to look back but i thought he mentioned there being several boss characters. i'll be dissapointed if theres only several big daddies in all of rapture, i imagine them being a little more prevalent.

[a rabid chicken]

Flash Johnson, Ken has said numerous times that the big daddies are like "roving mini boss battles." Also, the piano guy is a splicer, is he not? I doubt he would be a boss. I'm almost one-hundred percent sure he is a run-of-the-mill enemy. Regardless, I am one hundred percent sure that the big daddies are like boss battles. Ken has used the words "roving mini boss battles" several times with regard to the big daddies. Hope I didn't sound too angry there. I do think there will be more than just a few though. I agree with you in believing that they are pretty common. They certainly seem to be based on what we've heard and said.

[v.dog]

Remember tho', that the BDs are neutral towards you by default. You can walk right past one and it won't say boo (not that they could say 'boo' with those suits on, but that's besides the point). If you don't want to fight him, it's cool. He won't hurt you. If, however, you open fire on him or threaten a little sister you're in for a world of pain, so you'd better be prepared.

Like Ken said, you choose where, when, how, and if you fight them.

[Flash Johnson]

im not saying the big daddies arent boss material, but i think you're wrong that splicers wont be bosses. i dont think the piano dude is just a regular splicer either, i think he's the guy that has that other musician killed and tries to trap you in that record store. sounds like a majorly antagonistic splicer, if you wont call him a boss.

[v.dog]

That maybe the case, but to me Cohen came off in the video as a Xerxes-type character; an off-screen antagonist commanding forces from afar.

We'll just have to wait and see.

[a rabid chicken]

Doesn't he look identical to Splicers we've seen in the past though? It makes no sense to me that he would be anything but a Splicer.

[ffanxii4ever]

Doesn't he look identical to Splicers we've seen in the past though? It makes no sense to me that he would be anything but a Splicer.

Where have you seen a picture of him at?

[Uponemandus]

He's on a poster in the record store at the end of the E3 demo.

I think bosses are probably splicers 'technically', but in game terms there's something distinguishing them from the garden variety ones.

[ffanxii4ever]

probably, but undoubtably that poster is supposed to be pre-Rapture apocalypse (and no splicers then)

[a rabid chicken]

I don't understand why anyone thinks that guy is a boss. How is he different than anyone else we've seen?

[Uponemandus]

http://www.bioshock-online.com/image.asp?shot=62

Going on the assumption that Sander Cohen is a boss. Look at the picture in the background. We know Cohen's a singer, driven insane by jealousy over his rival. The dead audience looks like something someone like that might do.

Yes it's circumstantial evidence, and I don't necesarily agree, but it explains the justification.

[PrivateJoker]

Based on my experience with previous System Shock games, the named characters are often mutated versions of their former selves, however they have basically the same attributes of other enemies of their variety. Also there were no absolute, BOSS-BOSS, characters, just enemies that were very powerful, or undefeatable without upgrades. However there were final bosses at the very end of the game. In fact none of the games in this series had a standard, play through one level fight a boss, proceed to next level form...alot of the game was open, if not linear. You could move through old areas to find no passages, in fact alot of the game is interlinked through alot of different areas, which introduces short cuts etc. System Shock II in particular was one of the most well designed games I have ever played in terms of the map, as you advanced actual physical routes would become passable, negating any need for teleportation or the like (teleporting being the quick fix for alot of games easy navigation requirements).

[Silverback]

Just as a general comment, Boss fights to me seem corny. Just like life a game's defining moments should be about the journey, not the end result.

example: Far Cry

[CharlesNPG]

Will it be possible to pick up the Big Dadies Rivet Gun? I really hope so cause it seams like such and interesting weapon.

[Bioshock_FTW!]

Maybe this has already been discussed but it looks like there are 3 distinct big daddies we've seen so far in screen shots:
Type 1:
http://www.xe360.com/images/media/Lobby%201.jpg
Type 2:
http://www.gamecaption.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/022.jpg
Type 3:
http://files.xboxic.com/xbox-360/bioshock/bioshockscreen08.jpg

So I don't know if these big daddies are going to be more of a generic type, if they're all going to look alike in the final game, if their model has changed since the start of development, or if they are really unique in Rapture and there will be dozens of different ones.

Discuss.

[Jeff]

in the concept art in the fankit, 2 of the big daddies are referred to by seperate names, making me believe that there will be several distinct "types" of big daddy, unique in appearance and behaviour.

[BioShockWins]

yeah... The ones with the tubas on their backs looks scary

unfortunatly we havn't seen them in any game play screen shots or videos (I mean with first person views where you are engaging them)

:confused:

[Nihil]

they all look kinda creepy to me cool cool

[Bioshock_FTW!]

This also makes me wonder if the LS' will each have their own unique look...considering they aren't all the same person. I hate repetitive use of models in games...

[the noob 22]

whoah that 3rd big daddy looks kind of zombie ish....brains...BRAINS!!!!

[witch]

This also makes me wonder if the LS' will each have their own unique look...considering they aren't all the same person. I hate repetitive use of models in games...

One of the shots had a LS in a green dress, but most of the ones we've seen have looked the same. However, shouldn't they be somewhat identical due to the nature of their job?

Although, I too hate repetitive models.

[Bioshock_FTW!]

I can't say they would all look that way...because it's only been 10 years in Rapture since hell broke loose. I don't think evolution has caused them all to become the same person essentially, that would take eons.

Now, what could be interesting is if breeding was controlled in Rapture during it's hay-day and whoever wanted children had to be implanted with an embryo of the little sister...maybe there's even a little boy type somewhere...or was.

*strokes beard and ponders* hmmmmm.....

[MF9000]

I can't say they would all look that way...because it's only been 10 years in Rapture since hell broke loose. I don't think evolution has caused them all to become the same person essentially, that would take eons.

Now, what could be interesting is if breeding was controlled in Rapture during it's hay-day and whoever wanted children had to be implanted with an embryo of the little sister...maybe there's even a little boy type somewhere...or was.

*strokes beard and ponders* hmmmmm.....

Maybe the BD's house the boys. If the boys are genetically altered perhaps those who created them increased their rate of growth and strength. Maybe we should be calling them Big Brothers and not Big Daddies. I always thought they should be called Big Brothers since a big brother protects their little sister. Or should. I guess we'll see.

[the noob 22]

I can't say they would all look that way...because it's only been 10 years in Rapture since hell broke loose. I don't think evolution has caused them all to become the same person essentially, that would take eons.

Now, what could be interesting is if breeding was controlled in Rapture during it's hay-day and whoever wanted children had to be implanted with an embryo of the little sister...maybe there's even a little boy type somewhere...or was.

*strokes beard and ponders* hmmmmm.....

now to expound with real thoughts....yes evolution takes years but we can all see thet most Rapturians(?) are suffering extreme genetic mutations, so a foreign agent is accelerating the rate of mutation. I'll give you 3 guesses to whats doing it but you only need one...... and good thought on the breeding progrma too

[Newbeing]

This has been talked about before. I'll just merge the threads.

[CrestFactor]

One of the shots had a LS in a green dress, but most of the ones we've seen have looked the same. However, shouldn't they be somewhat identical due to the nature of their job?

Yeah, this makes the most sense to me given the setting of the game. I mean, they don't seem like the kind of guys who would go out of their way to make themselves unique.

[Raveness]

I wonder if we will see glimpses of personality among the Big Daddy varieties. Do we see emblems, modifications, or any other personal touch's to the Big Daddy Suits?

I'd rather not like to see the same 5 or so skins of Big Daddy's. This game's theme is the struggle of individuality, so we should see nuggets of personal preferences for Splicers, Big Daddy's, Little Sisters.

Also the quarters of the citizens should be decked out in some diverse ethnic and commercial decor. A Grace Kelly poster would hit the mark beautifully.

[K3NNy]

If you guys look in that video from GameSpot you can see that there are variations on the 3 types of BDs, you see a BD with a Drill in a blue and white suit, and another with a majority brown suit. So, there is definitely some variation in the character model, but to what extent is unknown. But, I think we can all agree that looking at the same character models over and over again is a bore and is a very quick killer to a game's feeling of reality and immersion.

[Bojoblue]

I noticed from the multiple videos that there are different looking Big daddys. Does anyone know how many different Daddys there are, and are they just cosmetically different or are there other differences as well? :) Such as strength, abillities etc.

[Havok4]

There are two types that have been seen in game play videos with a third being seen in some screen shots, there is the close combat Bouncer which can have drills, angle grinders, or other rotating instruments of death, is extremely fast with a rush attack and can roar to stun you. There is the smaller ranged and grenade using Rosie who has a rivet gun. And there is the smallest of them all who has a tuba like weapon that some theorize to be a rocket launcher, not much is known about this one.

[Bojoblue]

Thanks for the info:) thats some cool sh!t

[mattsays]

havok, link please of the screen shots with the 3rd big daddy. i've only seen the 3rd big daddy in one screen on ign which is like a character model thingy.

pureley speculation on the 3rd big daddy, it seems he has a hook as his left hand, and a crank + drill as his right hand. it's possible that he can hook yo with the hook, use his other hand to wind the crank to bring you towards him, and drill you, but who knows. lol

[Havok4]

Here is the picture of the small big daddy, it appears to be ingame.
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/704/704798/e3-2006-bioshock-screens-20060503051217622.jpg

[mattsays]

omg, great find!!
*applauds*
i've never seen that picture, yet i check the ign site like every other day and it says it's from ign.
that big daddy is by far the creepiest, and i love the way it looks. i can't wait to see how it holds up in battl.

[lurchibald]

thats a fairly old pic, i dont even think they are going to use that BD anymore

[BuyAShock]

that's a pity... :(

[v.dog]

Perhaps one of the devs could answer: has he been cut, or just altered?Here is the picture of the small big daddy, it appears to be ingame.Small? I don't think so, but it's hard to tell when he's kneeling. In any case, he's got a rocket launcher, so he wouldn't be a push over.

[v.dog]

Another thought; maybe he's one of the higher level BDs (he does have a rocket launcher after all). The reason we haven't seen more of him might be because no-one has been allowed to release anything from that part of the game publicly yet.

[Havok4]

It is a relatively small big daddy, when compared to the Bouncer or Rosie.

[FreshLaundryX]

Yam Hands!

[mattsays]

yes, Yam hands pwn. I forgot though, were they going to be splicers or were they just the begining concept arts for what a Big Daddy would look like? I hope yam hands are in the game.

[shozk]

Has anyone else noticed that in the videos we have seen, there appears to be several types of Big Daddy. I did a little hunting and found pics a few kinds.

Your basic "DrillDaddy" as seen in the XO6 trailer and on boxart:
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2896/250px-Bioshockcoverfinal.jpg

What appears to be a "GatlingDaddy"
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/9807/bioshock-20060510075840181-000.jpg

One of my personal favs, "BlenderDaddy." Ow!
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/9324/screenshot07xlpp2.jpg


Either a "Flamedaddy" or "RivetDaddy"
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7869/800pxbioshockprotectorym6.jpg

That's the types I could find. I didn't count differnt helmet/armor types.
I assume that they all have diffent attack types, health and speed.
Anyone have any more I missed?

[lawlflip]

I noticed that too, the Gatling Daddy looks interesting.

[Whats the matter, Frank?]

this one:

http://z.about.com/d/compactiongames/1/7/H/Y/bioshock_A.jpg

[Whats the matter, Frank?]

http://videogames.techfresh.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/bioshock.jpg

[Whats the matter, Frank?]

really missing that edit button about now...

http://www.2kgames.com/images/slicks/bioshock_ss4.jpg

[koolgecko91]

HOLY CRAP ive never seen those types of big daddies those look REALLY HARD to defeat......CANT WAIT FOR THE CHALLANGE

[koolgecko91]

DOes anybody believe that the bid daddies were citizens of Rapture that took the modification to the next level. That they went past genetics and went into a physical altercation for the war?? I dont know seeing the pictures makes me think that they we once citizens. Also if you notice the slpicers over time physicaly modified themselves too (i.e. Lady in green dress with a hook on her hand)......

[Zoop-IGN]

That last Big Daddy is awesome, Frank. Good find.

[koolgecko91]

GOD my spelling is horrible today.....sorry bout that.

[CitrusFreak12]

this one:

http://z.about.com/d/compactiongames/1/7/H/Y/bioshock_A.jpg
I've only seen those types of Big Daddies in concept art, never in actual gameplay footage or screenshots. I think that design was scrapped a little while ago... :(

[BioShockWins]

we have the 'rocket one' but I think they have a chance to not actually make it into the game

we only have like one screenshot with them in them, nothing else

[^ilovebioshock!]

we have the 'rocket one' but I think they have a chance to not actually make it into the game

we only have like one screenshot with them in them, nothing else

mabye they dont want to let everthing out and let people have some suprises:p

[v.dog]

That's why I've dubbed him 'Longshot'. That, and the fact that he appears to be weilding a rocket launcher.

[v.dog]

^^^Previous post was meant to have:I've only seen those types of Big Daddies in concept art, never in actual gameplay footage or screenshots. I think that design was scrapped a little while ago... :(

[koolgecko91]

So far were up to about 5 or 6 different big daddies but in the achievments they only mention 2

[BioShockWins]

So far were up to about 5 or 6 different big daddies but in the achievments they only mention 2

I assume the ones with Rivet guns have different roles/powers/plot importanance others [aka bouncers]

[Whats the matter, Frank?]

I've only seen those types of Big Daddies in concept art, never in actual gameplay footage or screenshots. I think that design was scrapped a little while ago... :(

Yeah except that middle one I posted was from a magazine cover a few months back. So that's fairly recent to be so prominantly featuring a big daddy they've scrapped. Who knows though.

[koolgecko91]

The one with the rivets has been dubbed a Rosie

[GoofyAce]

I pretty sure the odd sluggish ones are in the game because there are a fair amount of screenshots in the fishery level up that have them and if the other one is on a magazine it has a fighting chance.

[Donelop]

That GatlingDaddy looks huge. from that angle but dose look like the biggest one.

[MF9000]

I think your "Gatling daddy" is actually an "electro daddy". I've seen other pics that make it appear that there are batteries attached to those globes on his arms. If I can find a clear pic I'll give a link.

[MF9000]

Here's a couple of links to the daddy with the globes on his hands: http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/793/793105/img_3549882.html
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/793/793105/img_3924962.html

Looking closer, it may be that the globes spin and are meant for grinding. It could be the apparatus used to dig into the rock when Rapture was being built. The round bits do not appear to be barrels. So I guess he might be a "grinding daddy" instead. :rolleyes:

[shozk]

So we are up to 6 confirmed types of Big daddy now:

DrillDaddy
ElectroDaddy (Thanks MF9000!)
SmashDaddy (Thanks MF9000!)
Longshot (w/rockets) (Thanks v.dog!)
Rosie (Thanks koolgecko91!)
BlenderDaddy

koolgecko91's post made me think back to the vid where the narrator suggests we (the character) could become a protector of the Little Sisters. Could it be that we can modify ourselves enough to actually become a Big Daddy, or at least something close? That would be epic.

Keep looking!

[reddarkdragon]

there is two types the Rosie and the Bouncer rosie has the gun bouncer has the drill

[reddarkdragon]

sorry to double post but this has every splicer and big daddy
http://www.xbox360achievements.org/achievements.php?gameID=271

[BioShockWins]

sorry to double post but this has every splicer and big daddy
http://www.xbox360achievements.org/achievements.php?gameID=271

uhh... I really don't know how to respond to that

ROSIE is a BD with a Rivet Gun BOUNCER is every type of BD not holding a Rivet Gun

[Whats the matter, Frank?]

So we are up to 6 confirmed types of Big daddy now:

DrillDaddy
ElectroDaddy (Thanks MF9000!)
SmashDaddy (Thanks MF9000!)
Longshot (w/rockets) (Thanks v.dog!)
Rosie (Thanks koolgecko91!)
BlenderDaddy

koolgecko91's post made me think back to the vid where the narrator suggests we (the character) could become a protector of the Little Sisters. Could it be that we can modify ourselves enough to actually become a Big Daddy, or at least something close? That would be epic.

Keep looking!

I disagree.

I think there's the Rosie model, the Bouncer model, and that grappling hook model. I think each base model has different weapon attachments, just like the splicers do. So that's 3, and if this article is accurate, there's a fourth.

'"There are four Big Daddy types," he adds. "The guy you fought with a drill called the Bouncer; there's a kind with a gun that tosses proximity mines." And two more, apparently, though Levine gets distracted explaining that the Bouncer's current move set -- including his ability to charge and stun the player -- was inspired by a video trailer Irrational created simply as a sizzle piece. BioShock has had the luxury of time, and Levine thinks it's a better game for it.'

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=1&cId=3160697

[MF9000]

So we are up to 6 confirmed types of Big daddy now:

DrillDaddy
ElectroDaddy (Thanks MF9000!)
SmashDaddy (Thanks MF9000!)
Longshot (w/rockets) (Thanks v.dog!)
Rosie (Thanks koolgecko91!)
BlenderDaddy

koolgecko91's post made me think back to the vid where the narrator suggests we (the character) could become a protector of the Little Sisters. Could it be that we can modify ourselves enough to actually become a Big Daddy, or at least something close? That would be epic.

Keep looking!

Actually I think that the electro and smash are the same daddy type. The two pics look different, but I think the one with sparks is the smash being shot at. But who knows for sure. I wouldn't want to tangle with any of the BDs at close range.

[MF9000]

I disagree.

I think there's the Rosie model, the Bouncer model, and that grappling hook model. I think each base model has different weapon attachments, just like the splicers do. So that's 3, and if this article is accurate, there's a fourth.

'"There are four Big Daddy types," he adds. "The guy you fought with a drill called the Bouncer; there's a kind with a gun that tosses proximity mines." And two more, apparently, though Levine gets distracted explaining that the Bouncer's current move set -- including his ability to charge and stun the player -- was inspired by a video trailer Irrational created simply as a sizzle piece. BioShock has had the luxury of time, and Levine thinks it's a better game for it.'

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?pager.offset=1&cId=3160697

That very well could be. We can change and upgrade weapons, no reason to think the BDs couldn't be outfitted with variations on weapon types/themes. It could also be that Ken didn't tip his hand and just isn't mentioning other types of BDs we might encounter. It wouldn't be any fun if he spilled all the beans. I think we'll find that there are still quite a few surprises that haven't and won't be mentioned about Bioshock.

[Nias Wolf]

Bouncer (drill, X shaped drill, rock crushing bits).
Rosie (Rivet gun, possible flame thrower).
Grapling Hook Guy (I'm calling him "Captain Hook") (Hook, Tuba shaped contraption (possible a rocket launcher)).
??? (???)

Those appear to be the 4. It also appears that they are slightly customized so that we can tell individual ones apart. If you look around, you can find a picture of a Rosie with a fancy back (two red and silver fan like things. Similar to an upturned trench coat).

[poopypooperson]

Bouncer (drill, X shaped drill, rock crushing bits).
Rosie (Rivet gun, possible flame thrower).
Grapling Hook Guy (I'm calling him "Captain Hook") (Hook, Tuba shaped contraption (possible a rocket launcher)).
??? (???)

Those appear to be the 4. It also appears that they are slightly customized so that we can tell individual ones apart. If you look around, you can find a picture of a Rosie with a fancy back (two red and silver fan like things. Similar to an upturned trench coat).Yes, I agree with that out of everything else suggested. I think that the names of the BDs will only be suggested by the general shape, all the Bouncers having a circular, uh..., head (?), the Rosies having a more human shape (just very large), and the Grapling Hook Guy (haha, I hope they're called that in-game, mwahahahaha) are the less armored ones. As for the fourth one, I have no idea, except that one mysterious picture I had before (!!!!!!).

[mr michael man]

i think that the different big daddies are for different areas and hardness'es but i''ve only seen two and on the offical website it indicates that there are 5 areas so maybe there are 3 different ones!?!

[koolgecko91]

i believe the forth might be thehardest one that they havent told us about. Maybe the 4th BG is the protector of VERY important things, such as the only usable exit for Rapture, the top Little Sister, ect.. If thats true then that why they havent told us about it, cause they want us to be surprised when we go to escape at the end of the game and BAMMM we see this BD bigger then any before and outfitted to the max.



Just an early morning thought.

[LordLeckie]

yeah would be pretty freaky to eventually come across a BD with a giant frakking laser cannon strapped to it (or something along those lines)

but still maybe its a big daddy that instead of weaponry or melee attacks he instead is a more heavily armed and armoured splicer in other words on with more than one plasmid and has a suit of armour on just not the ultra thick stuff the others wear.

[GoofyAce]

You know just because there are a lot of splicers and BDs in the achievements doesn't mean that that's all of them (secret achievements anyone?) as in the ??? achievements at the bottom, you didn't honestly think Irrational would save there secrets this long just to ruin them now would you? We've heard almost nothing of the last two levels, the baddies in the last 4, and the people of Rapture, that's alot of stuff there keeping back and don't expect to learn about any of it before Bioshock comes out. August 21st, keep a weather eye on the horrizon because it's on its way.

[Sandstorm]

That's true. Cannot wait for the game. All that is 'unknown' at this point is making me want to play all the worse :p. Hopefully the last couple of levels further the already immense intrigue the game holds. And knowing Bioshock up to this point, I'm sure it will :)

[koolgecko91]

I was watching the new video today and when the BD with the drill gets mad his face glows red. Do you think the other BDs will have a glowing portion to let you know you have ANGERED them.

[Rapture011191]

DOes anybody believe that the bid daddies were citizens of Rapture that took the modification to the next level. That they went past genetics and went into a physical altercation for the war?? I dont know seeing the pictures makes me think that they we once citizens. Also if you notice the slpicers over time physicaly modified themselves too (i.e. Lady in green dress with a hook on her hand)......

Bid daddies did indeed exist before the war...use your search bar people

http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1201

[koolgecko91]

Sorry im pretty new to the forums.

[CitrusFreak12]

Bid daddies did indeed exist before the war...use your search bar people

http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1201
Men in diving suits apparnetly existed before the war. We don't know that those people depicted in the sign are the same as what we encounter in the game. By your logic there were also little sisters before the war, and I severely doubt there were.

I think that sign was a a bit of humor created by the team.

[punkedfloyd]

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/793/793105/img_3549879.html
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/793/793105/img_3549881.html
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/793/793105/img_3549882.html

[BioShockWins]

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/793/793105/img_3549879.html
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/793/793105/img_3549881.html
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/793/793105/img_3549882.html

and then the beloved one with the drill arm thing

[Camp1nCarl]

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/793/793105/img_3549879.html
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/793/793105/img_3549881.html
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/793/793105/img_3549882.html

The middle picture must have gotten scraped, cause we haven't seen anything about him. Maybe we will see him though....:p

[takymen]

Maybe theres just the rosie and bouncer BD but they appear with different weapons...:confused:

[Nias Wolf]

I was watching the new video today and when the BD with the drill gets mad his face glows red. Do you think the other BDs will have a glowing portion to let you know you have ANGERED them.

Yes they do. In the cult of Rapture downloads page, their is a picture of a Rosie with a red porthole. ;)

[Rapture011191]

Men in diving suits apparnetly existed before the war. We don't know that those people depicted in the sign are the same as what we encounter in the game. By your logic there were also little sisters before the war, and I severely doubt there were.

I think that sign was a a bit of humor created by the team.

Naa, its a little poster that shows big daddies and LS together before...like posters of how plasmids were used before, for everyday things...so little sisters already had a protecter before the war

[koolgecko91]

Maybe the men in dive suits were workers that people hired to walk around with there kids because they didnt have time for them, like a Rapture Nanny, and over time the kids grew toards the men and when the war broke out they moddified themselves to make sure nobody harmed the little sister they loved.

[Nias Wolf]

Or maybe that picture was old... and got scraped... I don't think it will be in the final game, and if it is, it would be a joke. I'm positive that the LS was created after Rapture started to downfall, and I am almost positive that the BD was created around the same time.
If I'm wrong... well... I'll bite my finger! (not off, just hard :p )

[koolgecko91]

I guess we will find out when the game comes out. 1 month 10 days 1 hour 48 minuts and 33 seconds

[Oreic]

Here is what appears to be a "Blue Daddy" notice the ornate helmet and shoulders.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g180/Oreic/untitled.jpg

[Nias Wolf]

Yeah, thats what I was talking about earlier, it's another example of BD individuality. (Anyone want to start talking about Ghist in the Shell? :p )
Although, it may mean that the BD is more of a badass...

[PsychotropicPineapples]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before since I can't be bothered reading through the whole thread but here goes...

I've always thought of those "Gatling Daddies" as more like "Bash-the-crap-out-of-stuff Daddies".
If you look at them you can't see any actual barrels for what could be guns. They just look like heavy things to smash people.

http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/116/924919_20060427_screen002.jpg

[Bioshock_FTW!]

wow, how did this thread not get closed and replaced again by the original thread of this topic? looks like someone's not doin their jobs :p

http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58&highlight=varieties+of+big+daddy

[jackinthebox]

wow, how did this thread not get closed and replaced again by the original thread of this topic? looks like someone's not doin their jobs :p

http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58&highlight=varieties+of+big+daddy

why are you linking to this thread? ;):p

[Bioshock_FTW!]

why are you linking to this thread? ;):p

lol. what the deuce?? did you JUST move it? hahahah i r confused

[jackinthebox]

lol. what the deuce?? did you JUST move it? hahahah i r confused

yeah... i merged them. thx for the info, i couldn't find the other thread :)

[Rapture011191]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before since I can't be bothered reading through the whole thread but here goes...

I've always thought of those "Gatling Daddies" as more like "Bash-the-crap-out-of-stuff Daddies".
If you look at them you can't see any actual barrels for what could be guns. They just look like heavy things to smash people.

http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/116/924919_20060427_screen002.jpg

Thats no gattling gun...its, basiclly round drill bits...like to dig underground tunnels! Sorta like this

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42298000/jpg/_42298848_boringmachine203.jpg

but round!

[v.dog]

I always thought they were Tesla coils:
http://www.bioshock-online.com/image.asp?shot=40

[Whats the matter, Frank?]

that might just be that electro buckshot hitting him

[BioShockWins]

that might just be that electro buckshot hitting him

what he said

I also think it is a gun type thing

[Havok4]

I heard something about them being angle grinders or something similar, but there is one thing that is evident that is the most important aspect about this big daddy armament, which is that it appears to be able to reduce you or any nearby threats to a pulp of similar consistency to a smoothy in a very brief span of time.

[BioShockWins]

it would be funny if a main plot charactor in the game was really wimpy... and he talks a bunch of trash when someone (maybe like you or your enemy) is there to protect him... but once the protecter isn't doing as much protecting he pulls out a line (after doing considerable malicious damage in his past) something like can we all just be friends?

[Donelop]

Not sure if this has been mentioned before since I can't be bothered reading through the whole thread but here goes...

I've always thought of those "Gatling Daddies" as more like "Bash-the-crap-out-of-stuff Daddies".
If you look at them you can't see any actual barrels for what could be guns. They just look like heavy things to smash people.

http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/116/924919_20060427_screen002.jpg

If that daddy hit you, it must take like half your health.

[PsychotropicPineapples]

Yeah they're probably designed to smash through stuff and turn people into a considerably large splat on the wall.

[Rapturian Knight]

they're proly the ones that give the shell shock that was mentioned in and earlier posts:eek: i'll be ready for u smasher

[PsychotropicPineapples]

All the melee based BD's can probably 'shell shock' you. Otherwise(as I think I said in another thread) it'd be too easy for you to dodge them all the time(except in really confined spaces)

[Rapture011191]

All the melee based BD's can probably 'shell shock' you. Otherwise(as I think I said in another thread) it'd be too easy for you to dodge them all the time(except in really confined spaces)

Yea, making the BD too easy to kill..hit, run behind a post, wait for him to lunge, pop out shoot...so i think all BD can do shellshock. Well, the drill and bash-the-****-out-of-stuff BD can both do it, no problem.

[Nias Wolf]

Yea, making the BD too easy to kill..hit, run behind a post, wait for him to lunge, pop out shoot...so i think all BD can do shellshock. Well, the drill and bash-the-****-out-of-stuff BD can both do it, no problem.

Those are called Bouncers. The other confirmed type of BD are called Rosies (they have rivet guns), and since they have... normal (as normal as they can be)... hands, I doubt that they can cause shell shock. Unless, maybe they stomp?

[Renight]

Look at the link a couple pages ago to the achivments page! The collecter one has 53 things, invent (Cool) Or get. Now with that you can probably bet thats how many our in the game.
(Normally in Xbox achivments, things arn't that specific, if it was like half or something it would be like 50, or 25, or something that dosen't end in a 3. Like in dead riseing how if you listen to the beginning guy, he says that their are 53,whatever whatever whatever people, and in the achivments its the same amount of people.)

[Renight]

(Seriously, give back the edit option!)
P.S: I think that the big daddy in the pic above is a electric kind, it looks like it has batteries on its arms connected to wires, and that one screenshot also helps my case.

[Nias Wolf]

I do not believe that the BD in that picture is electric. No information that it is electric has ever been verified. The BD in that picture is the Bouncer type, and it has rock crushing bits for hands. The rock crushing bits probably spin, which would require a motor and batteries, which you are looking at.
Sorry, I'm tired and cranky. :rolleyes:

[v.dog]

Can someone from Irrational tell us whether he actually is or not?

[PsychotropicPineapples]

Yeah at first they looked like they'd provide electricity but when you look closely and think about it they're just pistons or whatever to power the rock smasher things.

[killswitch5]

the big daddys are the rosie with the rivet gun ,grappling hook guy, and the bouncer class the drill guy, and the preassur hammer guy:D

[Nias Wolf]

the big daddys are the rosie with the rivet gun ,grappling hook guy, and the bouncer class the drill guy, and the preassur hammer guy:D

Pressure guy is a bouncer... The rock bits should spin.

[chrono legionaire]

To me it looks like there are 3 classes Close range-Bouncer, Long range-Rosie, and Mortor-Captain hook. But after seeing the Blue daddy i believe there are several different "tiers" of Big daddies.

[punkedfloyd]

the big daddys are the rosie with the rivet gun ,grappling hook guy, and the bouncer class the drill guy, and the preassur hammer guy:D

Preassure hammer?

[poopypooperson]

I found that picture I kept on talking about!

http://club.ign.com/b/contrib?username=Irrational_Games

[Da Bubs]

To me it looks like there are 3 classes Close range-Bouncer, Long range-Rosie, and Mortor-Captain hook. But after seeing the Blue daddy i believe there are several different "tiers" of Big daddies.

you mean "tiers" like how splicers have different accessories, because that is what I believe was going on their

[revengematron3]

There's only two classes: Rosie and Bouncer. Bouncer's close range and Rosie's long range.

[Nias Wolf]

There's only two KNOWNclasses: Rosie and Bouncer. Bouncer's close range and Rosie's long range.

There are more, Irrational confirmed it. They are just being secretive.

[poopypooperson]

There are more, Irrational confirmed it. They are just being secretive.Yep, 2 more to be exact.

[revengematron3]

Blasphemy! *Turns to secret achievements* I've been deceived! ;.;

[coolumar335]

I think there are two kinds of big daddies, though i may be wrong:(

[Danderman]

In the OXM mag it says that there is the rosie and the bouncer BD but there are also specal, rare elite version of the rosie and bouncer BD's, they are very rare maby only one or two in the whole game but taking them down comes with their own rewards.

[v.dog]

They're probably the ones with the colours and fancy head pieces.

[Addicted]

Haha. Fancy head pieces? Im sure you meant something else but seeing as how this game takes place in the 40's the first thing I thought of was a Big Daddy holding up one of those little masks on a stick to his helmet.(The kind that really only cover your eyes. Im sure there are some in screenshots somewhere)

[poopypooperson]

Haha. Fancy head pieces? Im sure you meant something else but seeing as how this game takes place in the 40's the first thing I thought of was a Big Daddy holding up one of those little masks on a stick to his helmet.(The kind that really only cover your eyes. Im sure there are some in screenshots somewhere)Watch the interview video about the BDs and LSs, you'll see, there's a whole variety of different fancy clothes BDs wear! :p

http://www.gamespot.com/video/931329/6172290/bioshock-official-movie-3

[Rapture011191]

Men in diving suits apparnetly existed before the war. We don't know that those people depicted in the sign are the same as what we encounter in the game. By your logic there were also little sisters before the war, and I severely doubt there were.

I think that sign was a a bit of humor created by the team.

The little sisters, the GATHERERS existed before the war...why do you think theres a GATHERERS GARDEN? The didnt make it after the war, no way...i think the little girls picked up the slugs, or had them as pets, took care of them or something and so, they became gatherers...sure, its immoral to use little girls, but isnt Rapture about no moral boundaries?

[Seamonkey]

I'm curious as to whether the game itself will actually name the Big Daddies as Rosies etc.

In fact, I don't I've seen anything in game that actually calls a Big Daddy A BIG DaDDY.

Maybe the names will just remain something the devs came up with, and for the oblivious player, it makes it all the more mysterious.

[Savage Jon]

big daddy 1
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/viewer.aspx?productId=1770&assetTypeId=1&shotId=0

big daddy 2
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/viewer.aspx?productId=1770&assetTypeId=1&shotId=0

big daddy 3
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/viewer.aspx?productId=1770&assetTypeId=1&shotId=0

That looks like 3 different big daddys to me.

[Savage Jon]

Those links didnt work, but if you click through the screens you'll see 3.

[lotkrotan]

http://z.about.com/d/compactiongames/1/7/H/Y/bioshock_A.jpg

wtf is that?

[TheLastQuincy]

Yeah i have seen three different versions of the big daddies throug vids and screenshots of the game.

[Nias Wolf]

wtf is that?

Win.

I seriously hope that it made it into the final game... :o
11 more days!

[Jigoku]

shoot i hope all 3 made it

[Daniel1431]

I hope they all made it! I cannot wait to fight one and just play the game!!!:D :) :)