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PhillyBro
08-16-2007, 04:26 PM
And if there is I can't find it. Just wanted to confirm the dissappointing news for all of my fellow southpaw brethren. Sorry guys/gals, maybe in a patch or something.
I am tried of ranting and raving about iths issue, at least for today, so I won't get all crazy on this post but it is really a shame. Guess I will wait for Halo 3, the blueprint for shooter options, to play one of the big fall titles.
Once again, sorry to deliver the bad news. :mad:

edgeofthecosmos
08-16-2007, 04:29 PM
What is southpaw,legacy, atl, etc.

sinimax
08-16-2007, 04:29 PM
Are you refering to the demo? Everyone is aware that there are no alternative control schemes in the demo but only the TRU SOBs know if the full game does. I would think that those features would be in the full game.

Fuzzy OneThree
08-16-2007, 04:34 PM
I think we should ask the people that already have the game before we make any assumptions.

PhillyBro
08-16-2007, 04:40 PM
Consider me an SOB then. Lefties or Legacy? Nope. None. Nada. Zilch. Nothing. I just wanted to warn any fellow lefties before they took a chance. Why don't you think the people who have asked such a simple question haven't been responded to? Trust me, there is only one control scheme in the game.

Jerkyhole
08-16-2007, 04:41 PM
Left-handed people do not deserve their own control scheme. Deal with the current one and stop making a fuss.

sinimax
08-16-2007, 04:42 PM
Consider me an SOB then. Lefties or Legacy? Nope. None. Nada. Zilch. Nothing. I just wanted to warn any fellow lefties before they took a chance. Why don't you think the people who have asked such a simple question haven't been responded to? Trust me, there is only one control scheme in the game.

Ouch, sorry about the comment but its annoying that TRU broke release date and the rest of us have to wait. The world is built for right handed people so I can't say I'm stunned but I don't think it would take that much work for southpaw to be added in a patch or something.

PhillyBro
08-16-2007, 04:46 PM
Jerkyhole (seems like a perfect name by the way),

If you really wanted to be real about it ,the frist great shooter on consoles were southpaw by default due to the one analog stick (N64, Dreamcast), so don't be a tool.
Good thing that isn't what Bungie thinks, Ubisoft Toronto, or other developers.
I said I wasn't going to debate this but there is always one cat who tries to be clever. They never really know what they are talking about though. Pity.

I am telling you guys. I am looknig at only control scheme here. Someone feel free to correct me next week.

Shakura Jolithion
08-16-2007, 04:50 PM
And if there is I can't find it. Just wanted to confirm the dissappointing news for all of my fellow southpaw brethren. Sorry guys/gals, maybe in a patch or something.
In other words you have a copy that was illigally sold early?... Maybe they have a release patch or something. Especially sine noone's supposed to be allowed to play it prior to release...
I am tried of ranting and raving about iths issue, at least for today, so I won't get all crazy on this post but it is really a shame. Guess I will wait for Halo 3, the blueprint for shooter options, to play one of the big fall titles.
Once again, sorry to deliver the bad news. :mad:
How is Halo 3 the blueprint for shooter options?... I remember old games predating halo with plenty of control setups that covered almost every control combination...
And people have had this news before, look around and use the search button.


Also, if the first great shooters were on southpaw by default, why should it be so hard for people to switch up their control scheme? Getting used to the n64 controller was hard for me at first, and now It's natural. On the Gamecube, I could do things easily with both thumbs, despit being right handed... Why can't peopel adapt to the control scheme?

Nishido
08-16-2007, 04:50 PM
Uh? What would southpaw do? Aim with the left stick and move with the right? Hmm... actually, thinking about it, yeah I rekon it'd be somewhat harder for me (a right-hander) to aim with the left stick. But as a right-hander I also have the strong urge to make fun. I will try to surpress that urge as best a can... *s*******.

Jechtshot78
08-16-2007, 04:52 PM
How dare you have to adapt to the control scheme of the game...

manan123
08-16-2007, 04:55 PM
Left-handed people do not deserve their own control scheme. Deal with the current one and stop making a fuss.

QFT just learn to play i did

Shakura Jolithion
08-16-2007, 05:09 PM
Uh? What would southpaw do? Aim with the left stick and move with the right? Hmm... actually, thinking about it, yeah I rekon it'd be somewhat harder for me (a right-hander) to aim with the left stick. But as a right-hander I also have the strong urge to make fun. I will try to surpress that urge as best a can... *s*******.

Go play the N64. I have friends who initially tried using their right thumb to use the control stick, but eventually, everyone got used to it. That's why it's hard for me to understand why people have such a strong preference one way or another.

People should at least *try* to play with a default control scheme in this game before cancelling their orders because it doesn't do specifically what's for them. I love Turok 2: Seeds of Evil, despite the controls being really difficult to get used to and the way the crosshair always, always, *always* snaps back to the center if you move after aiming up or down...

FUCHI PATAS
08-16-2007, 05:21 PM
I found the controls in the DEMO to be quite easy and comfortable.
But, I am right-handed.

nyoe
08-16-2007, 05:38 PM
lol i was trying to play the original perfect dark on my friends n64 the closest only setup that vaguly resembled anything normal required 2 controllers it was baddass!!!

chicagojosh
08-17-2007, 01:53 AM
I am now going to explain exactly why we left-handers are requesting an alternate control scheme:

IT'S CALLED AIM!

Analog sticks are very precise controls, and trying to control something which necessitates accuracy with your non-dominant hand is a pain in the ass and puts left-handed people at a disadvantage.
Left-handed people have an easier time doing things right-handed than the other way around. This comes from living in a right-handed world. It does NOT make left-handed people ambidextrous.
You don't need nearly as much accuracy on the move stick as you do when it comes to targeting.

We shouldn't be hindered because we were born with a different dominant hand.

bioshockz
08-17-2007, 02:02 AM
I'm left handed but I've never really tried southpaw controls and just accepted the 360's default control scheme. Come to think of it, this would prolly explain why my aiming accuracy in FPS's is so poor; always using that right hand to aim.

I hope they figure out a way to remap the buttons on 360 for Bioshock; sorta intrigued to try out southpaw control scheme now.

Retribution
08-17-2007, 02:03 AM
Hey now, think of us righties when Perfect Dark and Goldeneye were out for N64.

Necrosis
08-17-2007, 02:04 AM
Why not mod your controller permanantly into southpaw?

http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/mods/Xbox-360-Southpaw-Controller-Mod.htm

chicagojosh
08-17-2007, 02:11 AM
bioshockz - It takes about a day to get use to, but you really should see an improvement.

Retribution - take Goldeneye and stretch that out over the next 1 1/2 console generations (of course, the HD consoles haven't really been out long enough to be considered a "1/2," but you get the idea.)

Necrosis - I've thought about doing the surgery, but I just tried adding the A and B buttons and almost went into a homicidal frenzy just trying to sodder the extra wires. I'd hate to see what would happen to me if I tried to flip the analog sticks.

Quemaqua
08-17-2007, 02:13 AM
I've just honestly never heard of anyone with that complaint. I mean, I know some left-handed gamers, and they just don't seem to care. I wonder if this is just something that affects some people and not others? I wasn't aware that *any* game had ever had a left-handed option. I mean, I've looked at the options in most of my games, and I'm pretty sure that's a feature lacking in a *lot* of titles. I take it Halo isn't one of them, but still... is this a common feature, or just something you're disappointed that BioShock doesn't have?

chicagojosh
08-17-2007, 02:25 AM
It's not as common as it should be (having southpaw, that is.) As people have said in the past, it's something that really should either a) be mandated by Microsoft to be included in every game, or b) Microsoft should update the firmware to allow button remapping.

I know a few other left-handed gamers who play with default controls too, but I think if they were given more options they'd take the time to switch.

I am disappointed Bioshock doesn't have it, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that an update will take care of that shortly after release.

Also, and this is funny now but kinda made me sad when I realized it wasn't real:

http://www.gamesfirst.com/index.php?id=1249#imageGallery

Quemaqua
08-17-2007, 02:49 AM
Interesting. Somebody should try petitioning Irrational about it. I mean, I've been a hardcore gamer for a long, long time, and this is the first time I've ever considered this problem. It just never occurred to me. Maybe there are developers out there who aren't aware that this kind of stuff is even something people actually want.

Igor, you fool!
08-17-2007, 03:09 AM
I support your request for alternative control options. I'm happy with the current set up, but I think it's silly not to include alternatives. It can't be hard to implement. I remember even back in the days of the ZX Spectrum most game developers eventually cottoned on to the idea of providing user-defined keys!

The sad thing is, if this were the PC version you would probably be able to change the controller functions outside of the game. Why can't we do this with the Xbox? Eh, Microsoft? Eh? Oh well - at least we can invert the Y-axis on the right stick. Woo. And hoo.

crimzind
08-17-2007, 01:53 PM
Yea, I agree, controls should be entirely mappable for everyones preference.

putthefootdown
08-17-2007, 01:56 PM
oh, man thats a bummer...

MightyDonut
08-17-2007, 02:17 PM
IMO i hate......southpaw

end of story for me

Pas De Charge
08-17-2007, 02:43 PM
Ive got a lot of sympathy for southpaws tbh, its one of those things were its SO easy for right handed people to just dismiss it but if you genuinely had trouble adapting to a right handed control scheme, that would just be a massive bottleneck to your enjoyment of games on the most fundamental level, your ability to connect with that world :/

however, as the OP mentioned some of the first console fps were southpaw because of one control stick, and i had no problem adapting back forth and between them, but once again what applies to me is not necessarily what applies for everyone else :(

Killzig
08-17-2007, 03:07 PM
forget southpaw layouts, get me one of those controller Ls!! :(

roman
08-17-2007, 11:32 PM
It is absolutely ridiculous that developers don't include these standards from the outset!:confused: Who are the games being made for? Us -Gamers! We are individualistic like to play the way we want to. For some of us its not even an option, we can only play southpaw or legacy. Im left handed and while some lefties can play default, i simply can not co-ordinate myself with what is feels like a completely backwards control scheme.

Why fully costomisable controls are not created for every game i will never understand.