So how does the plane go down?

[Rebelphoenix]

Does anyone actually know the answer to this. I see the plain crash but why does it crash?

[That_dude]

The demo doesn't show. We will likely discover why at the end.

[Black_Dog]

osama.

oh wait.

[Rebelphoenix]

I think osama was in diapers at that point.

[That_dude]

I think osama was in diapers at that point.

I think he was like 30 by then...
Yes, he is old.

[Black_Dog]

I think osama was in diapers at that point.i think more like a little sperm in daddy osama. :p

[That_dude]

Actually, he was 3 at the time.

[Black_Dog]

Actually, he was 3 at the time....cool. so, i guess that rules that out...how bout the chinese? :p

[Black_Dog]

oh. i have a better one.

snakes on a plane. :P

[Mr. Pinkus]

Fate caused it to crash.

That, or it ran into the indestructible lighthouse somehow.

[Rebelphoenix]

Fate is a pain in the ass aint it?

[Black_Dog]

i had a thought. a serious one :eek:

what if it crashed because of all the high tech stuff that is going on in Rapture? Sure, it's not what it used to be, but still.

[Rebelphoenix]

i had a thought. a serious one :eek:

what if it crashed because of all the high tech stuff that is going on in Rapture? Sure, it's not what it used to be, but still.

Good point, they wouldn't let me play my Gameboy on the plane back in the day, so this could be an issue.

[Black_Dog]

Good point, they wouldn't let me play my Gameboy on the plane back in the day, so this could be an issue.my thoughts exactly, right down to the Gameboy lol.

[xD1vin3Inf3ktor]

I believe theres a thread about Plane crash speculation already?

[Rebelphoenix]

could be who knows.

[xD1vin3Inf3ktor]

I believe there is :P
I made one (Not trying to be mean or anything)

[Dr. Splicer]

Perhaps Rapture's defense? Andrew Ryan seems to be a very paranoid person, so naturally anything that could comprimise the city from outside would get his blood boiling.

[Rebelphoenix]

and it would be nice if I could spell Plane right... :(

[Mr. Pinkus]

Perhaps Rapture's defense? Andrew Ryan seems to be a very paranoid person, so naturally anything that could comprimise the city from outside would get his blood boiling.

I dunno

The people talking as you ascend into Rapture don't know what crashed into the water. They only guessed it was a plane.

[Black_Dog]

i personally like to stick with my theory of electronic disturbance. especially since 1960's aircraft aren't as advanced as the ones in say 1990 where u couldn't even play a gameboy :P

[Alminie]

i personally like to stick with my theory of electronic disturbance. especially since 1960's aircraft aren't as advanced as the ones in say 1990 where u couldn't even play a gameboy :P
yeap I agree with you here, it has to been a electronic disturbance that messed with the planes instruments and down it went. :eek:

[Rebelphoenix]

yeap I agree with you here, it has to been a electronic disturbance that messed with the planes instruments and down it went. :eek:

Somebody in Rapture was playing gameboy.

[Black_Dog]

Somebody in Rapture was playing gameboy.hahaha. it was probably a little sister playing pokemon yellow. and she named the pikachu you get that follows u around everywhere "big daddy"

[Justlookaway]

funny stuff. I have a theory that someone wanted to you in Rapture...whether it was Atlas to save his family Tenebaum to save the LSs, or Ryan to kill you I don't know.

[Rebelphoenix]

Ryan would have to be a total nutjob to take an entire plane down just to torment people.

[Black_Dog]

Ryan would have to be a total nutjob to take an entire plane down just to torment people.ryan doesn't seem like an average joe to me, he did found a huge underground facility because he didn't feel like being a conformist...and Rapture doesn't exactly sound like a...moral place...at least when Jack finds it.

[Mr. Pinkus]

Ryan would have to be a total nutjob to take an entire plane down just to torment people.

And yet, a total nut job to build an underwater city. :P

Who knows, maybe he built Rapture just to torment people, IE threw in some plasmids, brought in weapons, crammed people in, and let the underwater utopia turn into a watery hell.

[SpaceMonkey]

I don't think it's that strange a plane crashes, what might be more interesting is something Atlas said in the beginning of the demo: "I don't know how you survived that plane crash..." Which IS interesting seeing that the player is clearly the only surviver

[Rebelphoenix]

Ryan doesn't seem like he wanted the Utopia to fail. It would seem more likely that Atlus was playing a gameboy to try and get a plane to crash.

[Goddy Of War]

Nah actually I have two theories:

1. You see Osama swim by the Bathysphere just as the veil drops after the projection

2. The plane was brought down after the Pilot chocked to death on the heavy wafts of smoke in the Cabin (see the roof of the Plane at the beginning of the demo)

[Mr. Pinkus]

I don't think it's that strange a plane crashes, what might be more interesting is something Atlas said in the beginning of the demo: "I don't know how you survived that plane crash..." Which IS interesting seeing that the player is clearly the only surviver

We don't really know this for sure.

We never really see any other bodies in the water after the crash.

[Black_Dog]

I don't think it's that strange a plane crashes, what might be more interesting is something Atlas said in the beginning of the demo: "I don't know how you survived that plane crash..." Which IS interesting seeing that the player is clearly the only survivercorrect me if im wrong, but wasn't there was some chatter about how there was a plane crash before Atlas says that? :confused:

[Rebelphoenix]

We don't really know this for sure.

We never really see any other bodies in the water after the crash.

That is very true, maybe everyone on the plain were robots designed by Ryan...

[Black_Dog]

argh. forgot spoiler blockers. :mad:

[Goddy Of War]

correct me if im wrong, but wasn't there was some chatter about how there was a plane crash before Atlas says that? :confused:

There was.

You can hear Atlas talking to the guy who gets killed by the Splicer after the Bathysphere docks about the Plane crashing near the Lighthouse

[Mr. Pinkus]

There was.

You can hear Atlas talking to the guy who gets killed by the Splicer after the Bathysphere docks about the Plane crashing near the Lighthouse

So was the guy he was talking to (wasn't his name John?) was sent up to find you and help you out of the bathysphere? But Atlus' plans were ruined by the splicer.

[Epik]

Alot of the theories seem fairly Lost based no?...Hi-Tech Technology bringing down planes?...I'm sure it will be explained in the story.

[Goddy Of War]

So was the guy he was talking to (wasn't his name John?) was sent up to find you and help you out of the bathysphere? But Atlus' plans were ruined by the splicer.

I can't be sure. Atlas basically helped you from where he was by opening the door and sending a Security Bot to chase off the Splicer. There is something about that Splicer that strikes me though. It doesn't seem like any ordinary Splicer

[Epik]

ItsMr. Blobby!

[Black_Dog]

Alot of the theories seem fairly Lost based no?...Hi-Tech Technology bringing down planes?...I'm sure it will be explained in the story.I've never watched an episode of Lost, it just seems like a reasonable theory, considering how flight attendants were always *****ing at me to turn off electronic devices.

[Mr. Pinkus]

I can't be sure. Atlas basically helped you from where he was by opening the door and sending a Security Bot to chase off the Splicer. There is something about that Splicer that strikes me though. It doesn't seem like any ordinary Splicer

I agree. It almost has no face. Look closely, and it's whole head is just nothing but bumps and blood.

[Epik]

I've never watched an episode of Lost, it just seems like a reasonable theory, considering how flight attendants were always *****ing at me to turn off electronic devices.

I know what you mean like, it just has a striking similarities to Lost :D

[Goddy Of War]

I agree. It almost has no face. Look closely, and it's whole head is just nothing but bumps and blood.

Major character in the game? It sounds like a Female so it could be Tenenbaum

[Epik]

you could always look up a video with tenebaums voice and compare it to the splicer in the demo. :)

[Black_Dog]

Major character in the game? It sounds like a Female so it could be Tenenbaumthat's what i'm thinking. and none of the other splicers i've seen are dual wielding hook type things.

[Goddy Of War]

that's what i'm thinking. and none of the other splicers i've seen are dual wielding hook type things.

There is, they just aren't featured in the demo

[Epik]

that's what i'm thinking. and none of the other splicers i've seen are dual wielding hook type things.

There are others, Ken's first gameplay video had one in.

[Mr. Pinkus]

that's what i'm thinking. and none of the other splicers i've seen are dual wielding hook type things.

Do the other splicers even having glowing hooks?

I know they light up when they scrape the ground and make sparks, but do they glow like this woman's?

[Black_Dog]

There is, they just aren't featured in the demomy bad. :o

[SpaceMonkey]

I found it kind of suspicious indeed that that particulair splicer does not get killed, but 'runs off'

[Black_Dog]

it certainly wouldn't be the first time that a boss you end up killing deeper into the game made an appearance in the first 10 minutes. i can't think of any examples at the moment, but i'm running low on sleep and high on caffeine :p

[Epik]

Breen from HL2? :)

[Mr. Pinkus]

it certainly wouldn't be the first time that a boss you end up killing deeper into the game made an appearance in the first 10 minutes. i can't think of any examples at the moment, but i'm running low on sleep and high on caffeine :p

Sonic the hedgehog
Doom 3 (kind of)
SiN Emergence

some others

[bevanspaghetti]

Metal Gear Solid.

[SpaceMonkey]

and ofcourse: PacMan

[Black_Dog]

and ofcourse: PacManhahaha. u forgot space invadersssss

[Mr. Pinkus]

While we're at it

Tetris
Goldeneye 007

[vironix]

Plane. not plain...gosh...

[Seamonkey]

I'm more curious as to what happens to all of the other passengers and personnel.

[SpaceMonkey]

And well maybe... just maybe

it was all a very very big coincidence that the plan crashed 100 feet from the lighthouse and that there was only 1 surviver who made it without any serious injuries just to get the player into Rapture.

[FreshLaundryX]

Jack's voice during the crash seems entirely too calm to be a real-time thought at that moment. Also, how could he know he was special when the events haven't happened yet?

It seems like he is remembering post-rapture (after escape or resignation that he can't leave) about how he came to be there and the sequence of events that led him to be the 'special boy' that he is when he leaves.

[komposer]

It reminded me of a lot of Lost. Maybe it was the others.

[Havok4]

My belief is that in his growing paranoia from the outside world Ryan constructed an anti-air and possibly anti-sea defense mechanism to protect his prized city. Which is why your plane went down.

[darkrei9n]

Well its not most typical aircraft failures. Whatever knocked the plane down created turbulence. So it could of been a explosion ,but I think it was someone down in Rapture. I think Adam thought it was a military plane.

[Poison17]

Well its not most typical aircraft failures. Whatever knocked the plane down created turbulence. So it could of been a explosion ,but I think it was someone down in Rapture. I think Adam thought it was a military plane.
You mean Andrew Ryan because Adam is not a person it is Genetic Material.

[TheVinster]

The plane goes down because Ken Levine wants us to play his game.

[Undying Zombie]

The real reason is.. this was one of the times before Gorden Freeman that Gman from the halflife series was messing with someone.. to try to find a new pawn in his little games.. :p

But seriously.. some of you guys might be right.. but then again.. for all we know.. it could be aliens from Uranus :P Given the time period that the game is set though.. it could be Aliens from Mars instead :p lol.. well I doubt that but :P

[LaughingManic]

Someone probably forgot to enter the numbers into the computer causing an electromagnetic anomaly.

4 8 15 16 23 42

[markymark]

Desmond crashed the plane brotha!

[IdlePye]

from the demo it looks like the main the main character does it. did you notice the present said not to open until... and the rest was covered up i bet it say "until on the plane" and there was a gun hidden in it.

[The_Octopus]

He opened the present and it must of set off a bomb.

[Seamonkey]

IF the present was a bomb, it would have killed Jack when he opened it.

Unless he knew about it and planted it on the plane.

[Poseidon]

You could hear the plane sputtering and die so I would say technical difficulties.

[IdlePye]

its just the way jack stands up then we hear the plane crash like he got out a gun or something

[The_Octopus]

So it's settled....he opened the package, and it set off some kind of EMP charge that disabled the engines of the plane.

[IdlePye]

maybe he knocked out the pilot the plane went into a dive and the engine stalled

[Paublo4]

Maybe the pilot got distracted by the lighthouse and then he tried to call the people at the airport to report what he saw then he slowed the plane down to see the lighthouse better but he slowed down so much the engines stalled and caused the plane to crash. Or the pilot was a idiot and did not realize he was out of gas.:rolleyes:

[The_Octopus]

The pilot crashed into Emily Earhart's plane.

That would explain her disappearance.

[IdlePye]

i bet the light house is actually a giant laser

[Criscokilika]

I don't think you're supposed to know why the plane went down, and it probably wasn't some sort of conspiracy either. All that really matters is that it did go down.

[shozk]

Hey, uh, guys. I think it's kind of obvous how the plane went down.

Anyone remember when you are still in the plane, and you are talking to yourselef? Well, you have a present in your hands. Guess what's in the present. Probably a bomb.


YOU brought the plane down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt6bdgoeRE8

[Criscokilika]

Hey, uh, guys. I think it's kind of obvous how the plane went down.

Anyone remember when you are still in the plane, and you are talking to yourselef? Well, you have a present in your hands. Guess what's in the present. Probably a bomb.


YOU brought the plane down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt6bdgoeRE8


You couldn't survive if a bomb went off in your lap.

[IdlePye]

if it was a bomb the main charcater must of knew about it and planeted it cause if he opened it and it went off he would of got blown too peices

[beta]

Also, when the plane is going down you can hear a multitude of people screaming. Yet, there is no other bodies, no survivors. Maybe in the near future I guess.

[BigDaddySlayer]

Ryan would have to be a total nutjob to take an entire plane down just to torment people.

He IS A nutjob! that's why he's trying to kill you, and why he made a technologically advanced failed utopia on the bottom of the ocean where emo people stab themselves to get super hero powers!

[Criscokilika]

I'll say it again, I doubt that any conspiracy was involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[beta]

I'll say it again, I doubt that any conspiracy was involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You may be right, it may not be conspiracy but there HAS to be something. Even if you find out a plane doesn't go down on its own. What was the gift about then? I'm sure as the game develops we will find out more information.

[kabumon77]

its most likely part of the big plot

[wolfcreek19]

Well I think the tattoos alone tell us that our protagonist isn't entirely on the up and up. In the 1940s, you'd have to be a carnie or an ex-con to have tattoos on you like that, especially visible ones on the wrists?

And the package......Jack probably had some sort of mafia stuff going on, goes away, opens his present from his "family," holy crap bomb, throws it, dives away.......plane crash.

I'm just wondering how Jack's backstory will be revealed.

Though the Lost theories are interesting....guy named Jack in a plane crash, right?

[Seamonkey]

Wait, what if Rapture were in the Bermuda triangle, and that's why everything goes missing there?

[Phoynix]

BLAH!

Just to clear some things up..

a 1960s plane wouldnt go down if it was hit by a internal EMP shockwave even if all its electronics were fried it used a flyby wire system that was manual or assisted not electric.. stick and fuel pumps were not electricaly controled either.

Outside EMP wave would have to be pretty strong to take out a airplane these days (the metal shell acts as a natural shield and conducter)

On the other hand, buy a high powered photoflash, swap out the balb for a coil of dense copper wire and once your on the plane set it off in about one meter of anything you want to fry.

If you dont believe me and have and old computergame or mobilephone you dont want and have a normal flash rig up some coiled wire about about 20 coils should do it and set it off right next to the phone/handheld game.

Now remember the two emp rules.
1.The more advanced and refined the Electronics the MORE suspectable to emp it is.
2.Its impossible to shield something from a emp unless its completely in a self sustained and earthed full metal container, otherwise it can only be hardend and even at that, the vast majority of US military hardware designed to resist would be knocked out in the event of a 20 megaton nuclear emp blast 300km in the middle of the US.

Along with all electronics in 48 states

If it was a 100 megaton blast all humans in the 48 effected states that were themselves earthed to the ground and within 8ft or so of any moderate to large peice of metal would suddenly find themselves the subject of a vast many high voltage lighting jolts.

Now that you can Grasp how effective EMP blasts are, a 1960s plane lacked almost everything that could be effected :P

[beta]

Hrm... your statement makes sense. So it wasn't EMP. Then what was it? I still think it was in part Jack's fault.

[Cataclypso]

The present is a pearl necklace i saw it floating past him in the Demo (youtube) I think it was a present for his girlfriend or wife.

[beta]

The present is a pearl necklace i saw it floating past him in the Demo (youtube) I think it was a present for his girlfriend or wife.

That's an assumption though. I thought it came out of the purse. You have no way of knowing that for sure.

[Cataclypso]

Your right i dont know for sure but were would he be going on this plane?

[Phoynix]

I dont know.. not on purpose.. not unless he is a nut himself. The plane crash could have killed him in any uncountable number of ways.

He was also sitting down in the seat when something jolts the aircraft.
a engine ripping free of its mount would do something like that.

Lastly thou.. I hope no greater power hand of god-fate-destinty or whatnot guided him there.

IM sick of all that rubbish.. much better to have Ordinary man in extrodinary situation.

[Seamonkey]

I have a feeling we'll find out exactly why the plane crashed, and likely a whole bunch more about our protoganist.

[Cataclypso]

Mabye it was Atlas , he lost all hope so he tried to get reinforcments from the surface useing telekineses (sp?) to bring it down but he was interupted by splicers or big daddy and lost focus so instead of a smooth landing it crashed

[Epik]

He seemed quite suprised a plane had crashed to be honest, I don't think he orcastrated it but he probably knew he could exploit the survivor(s)

[Cataclypso]

But he says "oh no sounds like the plane crashed!" Like he knew it was there

[beta]

But he says "oh no sounds like the plane crashed!" Like he knew it was there

Who says that?

When you're going down to rapture you can hear them talking about it as if they were examining what happened from the radio. Who "them" is I have no clue.

[Cataclypso]

Atlas does .......... on other things That Ryan guy is still alive and has a really cool outfit to boot

[beta]

Atlas does .......... on other things That Ryan guy is still alive and has a really cool outfit to boot

Is Ryan the guy that gets killed when you are still in the sphere? I didn't even think of looking for him. Will try tonight!

[Lil kid Bmore]

It was THE OTHERS from LOST

[Cataclypso]

Is Ryan the guy that gets killed when you are still in the sphere? I didn't even think of looking for him. Will try tonight!

The creator of Rapture ringin any bells? The guy that looks like a ganster on the big screen TV .

[beta]

The creator of Rapture ringin any bells? The guy that looks like a ganster on the big screen TV .

Lmfao... sorry yeah. I was thinking Ryan as in first name. Gosh I'm dumb.

[LordInfamous]

Is this the full intro sequence or has it been edited for the demo?

[beta]

Is this the full intro sequence or has it been edited for the demo?

I'm sure the full game will go through the intro more in depth. It may be though. One can't be sure.

[Paublo4]

I think it was a storm cause when you watch the begining you will see the plane rocking a bit and you can hear rumbling in the background. Then when you look at the sky its pretty cloudy.

[BioShockWins]

Samuel L Jackson shot a hole in the window and accidentally blew off the turbine to the plane.

OR

There was some... thing... on the wing...

[Seamonkey]

There was some... thing... on the wing...

Has anyone seen that episode of the Twilight Zone?

[TheVinster]

There could be numerous theories why the plane crashed, but we won't find out for a week.

[nola_killme]

I hope the whole opening sequence is longer in the full game...
it seemed kinda rushed to me.

And I know someone else said it in another thread, but I think the plasmid thing is kinda rushed too... in the demo, the character who is all of a sudden in this new and mysterious world, seems to have no problem whatsoever with jabbing a needle into his arm and shooting up this weird glowing fluid.
Hopefully they will ease it into the game better.

[Kopjr]

I hope the whole opening sequence is longer in the full game...
it seemed kinda rushed to me.

And I know someone else said it in another thread, but I think the plasmid thing is kinda rushed too... in the demo, the character who is all of a sudden in this new and mysterious world, seems to have no problem whatsoever with jabbing a needle into his arm and shooting up this weird glowing fluid.
Hopefully they will ease it into the game better.


totaly agreed
lets just jab a rusty colored needle into my arm

[TheColonel]

If you look closely at the card on the gift Jack is carrying it says "...from mom and dad. Kindly don't open this until..." and the rest is unreadable. And then as soon as he puts the package under the seat and the plane goes down, right as he tells us he was born to do "great things". No coincidence, I think.

[wannabeapilot]

Wait, what if Rapture were in the Bermuda triangle, and that's why everything goes missing there?

thats a very good theory ;)

[Rebelphoenix]

Has anyone seen that episode of the Twilight Zone?

The real question is, has anyone NOT seen that episode.

[beta]

The real question is, has anyone NOT seen that episode.

I haven't, or any for that matter.

[Lax]

One minute Jack is on the plane smoking a ciggy, looking at family pictures, the next minute the plane is suddenly out of control. Whatever caused the plane to crash happened suddenly.

What causes a plane to crash suddenly? Colliding with something, lightning strike, missile hitting it, bomb blast from within. My theory: both pilots were flying and noticed the lighthouse in the distance. Neither saw it on their map, so they radioed in to the closest air traffic control tower to report it. Ryan down below, intercepts the radio transmission, becomes paranoid and decides to engage the plane with his anti-aircraft defense system. Far fetched? You betcha! But it sure does sound cool! ;)

-Lax

[Addicted]

It was the Nazi's. The Nazi's did it. The Nazi's ALWAYS do it.

[Prithards]

Ok, might as well put some more points into this. As the plane is going down it does seem to glow a fair bit correct? An electric kind of glow, so something might have caused that, because i dont think normal electronics do that when put in water... even really old planes.

[Ruster]

It is my belief that You are actually in hell. Just like the hellraiser movies, you have to spend your eternity dealing with mutated freaks bent on your destruction while traversing an insane environment. You died in the crash, and after a lifetime of misdeeds, this is how you finally pay the piper.

[WolfofWar]

obviously somebody forgot to put in the numbers and an EMP field took the plane out.

[voluptuary]

it could have been gremlins... it wouldnt be the first time they have taken down a perfectly good aircraft... them or santa.

[The Black Pope]

there's no doubt in my mind who did it.


http://www.iconsoffright.com/BehindTheMask/Twilight.jpg

[Rebelphoenix]

http://devgba.snowcristals.net/images/Gameboy.png

it was the Gameboy

[Spudnik123]

Im sorry but if it turned out that rapture was hell I would be dissapointed. With everything they could do if it ended up being hell that would just be a waste.

[Sheisjustaglitch]

Well, simply put the lady behind you was a little on the hefty side...

[TiJim]

The gameboy pic made me laugh. Makes me think of the Simpsons episode where Bart almost makes the plane crash with one.

[Spudnik123]

Well, simply put the lady behind you was a little on the hefty side...

very funny man. See what those stupid obese people can do?

[Zaro]

It's probably going to be discussed, at length, in the game.

[Fave]

Iv gots an idea on why the plan crashed..


If you notice the plan is rocking about like it's in a storm. and theirs the ding ding to put you seatbelts on when you hit turblance, and relly this no corlation between the plane going down and the package disapering.

My guess is that he is infact in a store and the engin (gass + electricy = flam not to metion all the metal in the sky is going to attact some attation from electiy.) It also looked like he was trying to escape his past. getting away from her family (and meaby) his life of crime (hents the tatos)Also i may of been fate that he's the only one to surive it, or just plane luck. Another thing, how the hell could a dam lighthouse light be on for 10 year stright? Another guess is that when the plan started going down Ryan or some one turn it on to help who ever was going down thier.

Another theriy is that Who evers down their over heard the raido on the plan, They might of spoted hte lighthouse and something likle raptur was kept under lock and key only the best of the best where aloued in it. Leving no one to talk about it because everones in side of rature. Back to point, they used some gentic power to beting the plane down hopfully killing everone.

Im going on and on but one more thing. How the hell would the submersible thingey get back up? with out some one useing it? also who in their right mind build it with out a button at the bottom to bring it back down?

P.S i know this a lot of spelling and grammer issus. Im to dam tired to want ot fix em so yea. get over it and dont read it if ya dont want to.

[Fireflyfilms]

Some interesting theories there... Perhaps... there is some kind of force coming from Rapture itself that brought the plane down? Bermuda triangle-esque thing maybe?

Speculation only...

[Lax]

Maybe Jack made a cell phone call at the last minute to thank the parents for the gift?

[beta]

Maybe Jack made a cell phone call at the last minute to thank the parents for the gift?

Someone already posted that cellphones or such electronic devices would not affect a plane from that time because a plane from the 1950s was not controlled by computers and such.

[Mercury1988]

Maybe you're not supposed to find out in the game? Maybe you're supposed to decide for yourself. That would be a lot better than having some stupid reason thrown in.

[Stanislav]

My understanding is that a crude surface-based deployment of an EMP resulted in a number of other complications.

[Cataclypso]

It was that Big daddy and his granny with her big flappy bingo wings!

[BioShockWins]

did anyone else notice all the smoke on the ceiling of the plane?
I thought I posted about that on page 2... hmm

Also, you know how you aren't aloud to smoke on planes any more? Maybe they actually have a reason for that.

[beta]

did anyone else notice all the smoke on the ceiling of the plane?
I thought I posted about that on page 2... hmm

Also, you know how you aren't aloud to smoke on planes any more? Maybe they actually have a reason for that.

I thought it was more of, to not contaminate the air since the oxygen is not coming from the outside and there is no way to vent the smoke.

[BioShockWins]

Well I think the tattoos alone tell us that our protagonist isn't entirely on the up and up. In the 1940s, you'd have to be a carnie or an ex-con to have tattoos on you like that, especially visible ones on the wrists?

And the package......Jack probably had some sort of mafia stuff going on, goes away, opens his present from his "family," holy crap bomb, throws it, dives away.......plane crash.

I'm just wondering how Jack's backstory will be revealed.

Though the Lost theories are interesting....guy named Jack in a plane crash, right?

Then you find out that your charactor Jack is the very same "Jackie" from The Darkness... and then BioShock fails. lol

but thanks for the info about the tattoos

[BioShockWins]

I dont know.. not on purpose.. not unless he is a nut himself. The plane crash could have killed him in any uncountable number of ways.

He was also sitting down in the seat when something jolts the aircraft.
a engine ripping free of its mount would do something like that.

Lastly thou.. I hope no greater power hand of god-fate-destinty or whatnot guided him there.

IM sick of all that rubbish.. much better to have Ordinary man in extrodinary situation.

You're 100% correct. Anyone know why Half Life sold so well? Normal people in extraordinary situations. Ever heard of Stephen King? Same thing with his novels.

[BioShockWins]

I thought it was more of, to not contaminate the air since the oxygen is not coming from the outside and there is no way to vent the smoke.

sorry for the triple post, but I couldn't help replying to all of these.

Well, I was orriginally thinking as you suggested I was, the smoke blewed up the plane. But maybe the piolits passed out? Nah, I doubt it. With two of them, and then the attendant to wake them up that seems highley unlikely.

We'll find out I guess... I'm gonna do more research on the vids, etc.

Hopefully there is a lot more info about the plane in the game, even if it isn't the opening sequence. Because I really like how that is. It seems better than the unimaginative 'oh the plane got blowed up' because we all know terrorism was such a big threat then.

Mostley I'm worried about the syringe thing as stated before, and in other threads.

[beta]

sorry for the triple post, but I couldn't help replying to all of these.

Well, I was orriginally thinking as you suggested I was, the smoke blewed up the plane. But maybe the piolits passed out? Nah, I doubt it. With two of them, and then the attendant to wake them up that seems highley unlikely.

We'll find out I guess... I'm gonna do more research on the vids, etc.

Hopefully there is a lot more info about the plane in the game, even if it isn't the opening sequence. Because I really like how that is. It seems better than the unimaginative 'oh the plane got blowed up' because we all know terrorism was such a big threat then.

Mostley I'm worried about the syringe thing as stated before, and in other threads.

My assumption is that you find out more in the future of the game. I don't think the intro in the full-game will be too different from what this is, but we can't know for sure.

Off-Topic: Ahh! You changed your avatar and it keeps confusing me =P

[cloudz0rs]

Maybe he planned it! =O Returning to Rapture to fix it or something.

[beta]

Maybe he planned it! =O Returning to Rapture to fix it or something.

That's a possibility. Yet, planning a plane crash is rather harsh.

[BioShockWins]

That's a possibility. Yet, planning a plane crash is rather harsh.

someone planning to do some crazy ass stunt in Rapture, probably doesn't really care about their financial life back on the surface.

You'd think he'd just get his own plane? Also, it would be a huge hassal to find one that just happens to go over this specific lighthouse.
Aren't all plane flights that go from Airport A to Airport B all the same route etc.? This doesn't include going from D to C, or even B to A. But B to A would be the same anyother time B to A is taken.

[beta]

someone planning to do some crazy ass stunt in Rapture, probably doesn't really care about their financial life back on the surface.

You'd think he'd just get his own plane? Also, it would be a huge hassal to find one that just happens to go over this specific lighthouse.
Aren't all plane flights that go from Airport A to Airport B all the same route etc.? This doesn't include going from D to C, or even B to A. But B to A would be the same anyother time B to A is taken.

That's a very good point. Also, when you hear Johnny and Atlas discussing the plane crash they seem pretty surprised that a plane was even near the lighthouse. Good point.

[Cict]

maybe the pilot was hit by a pimp-wrench

[beta]

maybe the pilot was hit by a pimp-wrench

Hahaha, that's pretty funny.

[punkedfloyd]

Since it looked like most people were smoking on the plane, I'd say someone farted, then another person lit a match which blew out a portion of the fusalage. That is why you never fart on a plane.

[minority_freak]

My (serious) guess would be that it has something to do with the tower.. Radiojam, the flightsystem and the navigation-controls go haywire... You know, semi-'Lost', Bermuda-triangle thing going on. My bet is that we'll find out soon. ;)

[Quantium]

dragon! O.o

[I'm your big daddy!]

You're 100% correct. Anyone know why Half Life sold so well? Normal people in extraordinary situations. Ever heard of Stephen King? Same thing with his novels.

reading "Cell" right now... =D

dude, on a totally unrelated note...stephen king rocks....=]

anyways...

ive probably posted this before...but here goes.

Jack wasnt on the plane, you were. Think it as this...you are Jack. Whats Jack's backstory? You decide. Why was he on the plane? You decide. Why did the plane go down? How the **** should I know? You decide!

[Aftrthought051]

i had a thought. a serious one :eek:

what if it crashed because of all the high tech stuff that is going on in Rapture? Sure, it's not what it used to be, but still.

good point, maybe Rapture is inside of the Bermuda Triangle and contributes to the mystery of the traingle.

[Blurio]

Obviously it's because of the snakes.

[xXcaribouXx]

good point, maybe Rapture is inside of the Bermuda Triangle and contributes to the mystery of the traingle.

its possible i suppose but i dont think its likely

[Cataclypso]

What if the light house turned its light upwards when the plane went over so it shined the light on the cockpit so the pilot was all like @_@ WOOOOOOOW! And the plane crashed.

[Fusilero]

My theory: The engines caught fire, because they sucked.

On the ADAM thing..well, you see. Jack has just faced two splicers, one who has killed this man with claws, and got disabled Jack's Bathysphere. The other one has thrown a burning chair at Jack, and proceeded to try and bash your brain out. As a human, killing him would've been pretty hard. Now, as Jack look around Jack see the door is locked..no choice, then you upstairs and Jack see this advertisement giving an offer to give people super abilities..now Jack go up, and see "Plasmid" machine. Jack, naturally, decides he wants to even the oods and decides to inject himself to give himself these super-powers, I mean..what could go wrong? (Now, a point here: Most people weren't aware of infections from needles and stuff) Now..OH NO! Jack is in pain, lots of pain! He goes to find a handhold..the banister, in his pain he falls over..the rest, as they say, is history.

[bartrulz]

Bermuda triangle i bet

[bartrulz]

Dang it forgot spoilerblocks

[Guyro]

good point, maybe Rapture is inside of the Bermuda Triangle and contributes to the mystery of the traingle.

its not, rapture is in the north atlantic, and i think the bermuda triangle is in hte caribbean area

[Stokey777]

The opening is actually apart of a MADF sponser campaign. Don't drink and fly.

[Stokey777]

Or perhaps a coke zero commmercia? Gone horribly wrong?

[Cygnus]

any one here watch lost??

[Blurio]

any one here watch SNAKES ON A PLANE??

I fixed that for you.

[putthefootdown]

LOL Mr. Pinkus!

[putthefootdown]

maybe sabatoge?

[hiroyukibatosai]

Mad Driven mutated freaks were on board and killed the pilots.... hahah

[B4RRCODE]

You find out later in the game but I won't spoil it for you.

[Plastikrokk]

I did notice that there's a light at the top of the tower when the plane crashes in the beginning of the demo. Maybe it brought the plane down via blinding light?

I figured that there weren't many other bodies since, being night, it's a red-eye flight.

[ToastedSoul]

maybe magnetism generated by rapture pulled the plane down/created a misfunction of some sort

[saptis]

Heh something similar hapaned in LOST. :D

[Jugatsu]

Anyone think it was you with the parcel that brought the plane down??
i.e. by sabotage or bombing?

[putthefootdown]

thats what i said, but thats would be to easy

[CJ Mcnasty]

Like B4RRCODE said, you find out later in the game. If anybody wants to know why it went down, just PM me.

[putthefootdown]

i would pm you but i dont know if i want that spoiled for me

[CJ Mcnasty]

You might not want to because it might ruin the game for you.

[mutemeplz]

Shot down by German AA from the top of Hitlers secret bunker under the arctic >_>

[Lord of Aeons]

Maybe the lighthouse distracted the pilot

[Luminoth]

Did anyone notices that Jack throws his wallet down before the plane begins to rumble...

[beta]

Did anyone notices that Jack throws his wallet down before the plane begins to rumble...

Really? I have to watch through the demo again.

OH! When he was looking at his parents picture? Maybe it was just a reaction to what he was pondering, and the picture.

[RyanAndrews]

any one here watch lost??

ME!

10 characters

[bigfoot1291]

Don't worry, you will learn everything once you play through. Everything you do not understand will be revealed. The opening, how everything happens, Even why you just grab the needle.
I just beat the game.

[putthefootdown]

cool, i was planning on reading the osg anyway

[JASONxxVOORHEES]

OK, I confess. I did it.

[RyanAndrews]

Sweet!!!!!!!!!

[putthefootdown]

did what?
ten more characters

[RyanAndrews]

Took the plane down, DUH!

[JASONxxVOORHEES]

Yeah, but I can't tell you why or they will prosecute me.

[beta]

Don't worry, you will learn everything once you play through. Everything you do not understand will be revealed. The opening, how everything happens, Even why you just grab the needle.
I just beat the game.

Thank you for confirming that. It makes me happy. I can't wait to play the game myself.

[BioDaddy]

me and my friend figured out what happens to the plane. the present that jack has is in fact a bomb it blows jacks legs off and the plane WHICH explains why the plane went down and why he has no legs when you look down and it killed his shadow :eek:

[Aftrthought051]

its not, rapture is in the north atlantic, and i think the bermuda triangle is in hte caribbean area

it actually states "Mid-Atlantic" which is where the equater is. The Bermuda Islands are in the caribbean, but it would not be totally unlikely to be classified as mid-atlantic if you check out a global map.

[Guyro]

my bad, were they planning on setting it in the north atlantic then, because ive read tha somewhere in relation to this game

[NECESARY EVIL]

i think more like a little sperm in daddy osama. :p

Daddy Osama! duh!

[reaper114]

Daddy Osama! duh!

Guys lets be serious here, it was obviously hezbolah.

[RyanAndrews]

Damn twenty pages?

Well play the game to answer the question

[hiroyukibatosai]

Play the game. find out. The End.