How many main villians are there?

[JoJonathan]

I was going around the web looking up info, And I heard there was some crazed musician, an evil pianoist, a puppet master, ect. Are these different people? and if so, are they the ones who form up our boss battles?

[THEBiGDADDY]

Yes, just like the crazed surgeon in the medical carnival section of Rapture. These people aren't souped up and very strong like the big daddies though, but they do have tricks up their sleeves. I guess the devs didn't want to ruin the immersion by making those guys super resistant to stuff.

[THEBiGDADDY]

Also, I wouldn't know how many, but I would get one for each section so I guess 8? I forgot how many sections Rapture has.

[revengematron3]

I think it was 7. Possibly a secret 8th one, or so I heard. I would guess that the last one would be Ryan though.

[Da Bubs]

It seems that there is one every level

crazy musician in the mall
surgean in the medical area
crazy pianist in the first level?
no idea where the theater guy is

[poopypooperson]

It seems that there is one every level

crazy musician in the mall
surgean in the medical area
crazy pianist in the first level?
no idea where the theater guy isI think the crazy musician and the crazy pianist are both Cohen.

[Da Bubs]

I think the crazy musician and the crazy pianist are both Cohen.

thats possible, I think Cohen was a singer and not a pianist, not that its impossible the sing and play piano at the same time

[JoJonathan]

that would be cool to have 3 or so boss characters in every section, even though I dought that, It would be cool though XD.

[revengematron3]

that would be cool to have 3 or so boss characters in every section, even though I dought that, It would be cool though XD.

Uh, yeah, the Big Daddies, remember? XD

Besides, 3 bosses per section would be too much for a survival horror game. I think it's better to just focus on one guy in each level, and learn about their descent into madness. (Wasn't really focused on in SS2 except for 2-4 audio logs)

[GoofyAce]

Crazy musician crazy pianist and crazy puppeteer all the same person, name is Something Cohen, I THINK it was Roger.

[JoJonathan]

Yea that is true, Its just I hope its not a fast game to beat since we have all been dieing and would have gotten to play it(moved back though DX)

oh I wish the demo was not released after the game is suppose to come out(at least I have heard).

[BioShockWins]

you probably should have made the first post with spoiler tags.

[Nias Wolf]

Crazy musician crazy pianist and crazy puppeteer all the same person, name is Something Cohen, I THINK it was Roger.

Sander. Sander Cohen. I think... XP

So... We have (so far)

Dr. Steinman (Medical Pavilion)
Sander Cohen (Kashmir, or Fort Frolic)
Possibly some other theatre guy (what ever Cohen isn't in)
Probbably Andrew Ryan (last level) There is a level that takes place in the geothermal vents

That still leaves the fisheries (Neptunes Bounties) which I think will have a mobster and the tree area (forgot the name).

[v.dog]

Crazy musician crazy pianist and crazy puppeteer all the same person, name is Something Cohen, I THINK it was Roger.Sander. The first demo video has his poster on the wall at near the end.

[Da Bubs]

Crazy musician crazy pianist and crazy puppeteer all the same person, name is Something Cohen, I THINK it was Roger.

Sander Cohen are they, is it in a (p)review, or dont really remember much about this whole thing, I just assumed that one boss-type thing per level would be good, although it could be less than that

[Da Bubs]

I feel dumb, I total missed the second page, nice list Nias, my personal guess for the fisheries is a crazed fisherman

[poopypooperson]

Sander. Sander Cohen. I think... XP

So... We have (so far)

Dr. Steinman (Medical Pavilion)
Sander Cohen (Kashmir, or Fort Frolic)
Possibly some other theatre guy (what ever Cohen isn't in)
Probbably Andrew Ryan (last level) There is a level that takes place in the geothermal vents

That still leaves the fisheries (Neptunes Bounties) which I think will have a mobster and the tree area (forgot the name).Oh yeah, if you look at the IGN pictures, there's a mafia-looking guy, that's going to be ****ed up to go against a mob of them.

[Nias Wolf]

So... the question remains, who is in the area that Cohen isn't, and who is in Arcadia (re,membered teh name!).

I think that in Arcadia, since Ryan is trying to kill all of the trees, you may not fight a boss. On the other hand if you did, it would be one wicked fight! :D

[Da Bubs]

So... the question remains, who is in the area that Cohen isn't, and who is in Arcadia (re,membered teh name!).

I think that in Arcadia, since Ryan is trying to kill all of the trees, you may not fight a boss. On the other hand if you did, it would be one wicked fight! :D

arnt there other objectives in other areas? I cant think of any off the top of my head so you may be right, Maybe a gardener who blames you for trying to kill the trees

[Nias Wolf]

I'm not quite understandimg your wording...

Are you asking if the objective of each level is more than just to kill the boss? If so, then yes.

[Nias Wolf]

Nor am I understanding my bad spelling... :o

[Da Bubs]

I'm not quite understandimg your wording...

Are you asking if the objective of each level is more than just to kill the boss? If so, then yes.

yes, like things atlas wants you to do. if they dont interfere with the other levels why would they do so in Arcadia?

[Nias Wolf]

Like the fact that (big arse spoiler (if you haven't seen the GameSpot E3 demo))in Arcadia Ryan pumps a poison throughtout the trees, to kill off the oxygen suply. And you have to invent a Lazyrus (spelling) poition thing to cure them?

[Da Bubs]

Like the fact that (big arse spoiler (if you haven't seen the GameSpot E3 demo))in Arcadia Ryan pumps a poison throughtout the trees, to kill off the oxygen suply. And you have to invent a Lazyrus (spelling) poition thing to cure them?

well the lazarus vector only takes about five minutes to deploy, there probably wasnt anything special in its creation, it takes place in a small area, and he kills about 10 splicers, it isnt a big deal, there could easy still be room for a boss-thing

[v.dog]

I'd think so. The Arcadia level is more a homage to Hydroponics in SS2, so it makes sense that the goals there a similar. Backwards, but similar. While that might be your primary goal, I wouldn't pick it as a Boss level challenge. Then again, they might not have a boss on each level, just to mix it up.

[Daniel1431]

Oh I hope the puppetieer is a good villian to fight! They all look pretty impressive to be to be quite honist!

[Nias Wolf]

1 more if you count snEEkie Villian.

[Da Bubs]

Then again, they might not have a boss on each level, just to mix it up.

yeah, thats entirely possible, but the levels are big so I dont think there would be a problem if there was one every level

1 more if you count snEEkie Villian.
what kind of boss would he be, instead of a crazed opera we get funny pictures

[chrono legionaire]

Hmm, maybe Arcadia has a deranged beekeeper? That could be where you get the swarm plasmid.

[splice-n-dice]

depending on what you decide to do (save or harvest the LS), maybe there will be a deifferent "boss" that you will have to face.

[matnatz]

im really looking forward to fighting sander cohen (what a cool name)

[matnatz]

Oh yeah, if you look at the IGN pictures, there's a mafia-looking guy, that's going to be ****ed up to go against a mob of them.


Mob yes.

Remember the frozen policemen i found.
God i wonna fight the mobsters.
I would actually like it if he is still normal and un plasmid tainted, that would be cool and it would turn the generic good and evil on its head.

[vrap]

I've moved this discussion to the in-game forum. Carry on!

[Savage Jon]

I know for a fact that there is a doctor, scultor/painter(i forget), ryan

[Da Bubs]

I know for a fact that there is a doctor, scultor/painter(i forget)

scultor/painter? I never heard anything about that. do you mean musician? Or the Puppetmaster? or did I miss something?

[kaMMakaZZi9]

Do the regular enemies re-appear if you leave an area and come back? I'd assume so. Just checking.

[Da Bubs]

Do the regular enemies re-appear if you leave an area and come back? I'd assume so. Just checking.


In the actual game, there are a finite number of Little Sisters per level. They don't magically spawn in, they wander the level looking for bodies to harvest Adam from (either pre-existing bodies, or bodies the player "creates").

The game has a sophisticated repopulation mechanic that simulates the large population of Rapture's Splicers. However, there are unique AIs that don't come under this scheme.

well, that quote took me way longer to find than it should have, but there is you answer.

[kaMMakaZZi9]

well, that quote took me way longer to find than it should have, but there is you answer.

Thanks for your efforts man, I appreciate that.

[Camp1nCarl]

Its definitly going to be interesting how this plays out. We think we know alot about this game, but there is still alot of stuff we don't know and won't now until we nab ourselfs some copies.

[Ruster]

Its definitly going to be interesting how this plays out. We think we know alot about this game, but there is still alot of stuff we don't know and won't now until we nab ourselfs some copies.

Does anybody really think that? I hope not. They're kidding themselves if they think 30 minutes of trailer and preveiw, plus info on other minor bits of contend, is equal to playing the actual game.

[Jigoku]

i whould be neat if thay are all one and the same but diffrent outlooks

[Nemos]

In Arcadia I think perhaps the boss will be the Botanist, Dr. Julie Langford.

http://www.gamestar.de/imgserver/bdb/1505200/1505232/800x600_BB6B047A65E83BC35DA3E852B8D33F7C.jpg

[Aphanes]

Nice pic!
And I think your right.

[Ardavion]

Actually, and this is a BIG SPOILER:

Julie Langford is the botanist who has developed the Lazarus Vector for use in the Arcadia level. She dies before you can save her, apparently, but she manages to pass on the method of creating the Lazarus Vector to you, probably in the form of an audio log. Therefore, she is not a level boss.

Can't actually remember where I read/saw it, but I'm fairly sure about it.

[Nias Wolf]

Thank you for that. I had never seen that picture before. :)

I kinda wish I hadn't read the spoiler. :o I would suggest not reading it to people who don't know a TON about BioShock.

[purplerose1414]

I kinda wish I hadn't read the spoiler. :o I would suggest not reading it to people who don't know a TON about BioShock.

Spoiler avoided, thanks Nias! But he didn't blank out her not being a level boss, whuch bums me out because so far it seems like the bosses are males only.

[Nias Wolf]

Maybe there is an evil ex-stripper in Fort Frolic for you! ;)

[purplerose1414]

Maybe there is an evil ex-stripper in Fort Frolic for you! ;)

:D not exactly the type of female boss I had it mind. I guess ever sense the batman villian Poison Ivy I've never been able to separate female botanist from mad villain.

[Hod the Reborn]

On the new video on GT, one team member (forgot who) said there were about 4 or 5 'main' boss battles

[Raveness]

Maybe there is an evil ex-stripper in Fort Frolic for you! ;)

Stop stealing my ideas :p

[Nias Wolf]

Whoops, I forgot. :o

So if there are 5 main boss battles, maybe there are sub bosses? Like in every group of splicers there is one that is tougher, and may have been mentioned in an audio log? The depth of this game is amazing. :D

[Raveness]

So if there are 5 main boss battles, maybe there are sub bosses? Like in every group of splicers there is one that is tougher, and may have been mentioned in an audio log? The depth of this game is amazing. :D

Yeah that amount of depth you don't get everyday. Oh wait, different levels of bosses go as far back as Diablo :rolleyes:

[Nias Wolf]

I ment if the mini bosses had backstories! :(

The mini bosses never get back stories... poor fellas...

[Raveness]

I ment if the mini bosses had backstories! :(

The mini bosses never get back stories... poor fellas...

Thats because most of the time a game has a limit to the amount of story that can be imparted, and filling the player's head with backstory of enemy characters who won't live or be interacted with for long is counterproductive. Doing something like that is asking for an easily forgettable bloated supporting cast with only peripheral functions.

Time spent on a plethora of small notes to give character to an ultimately unimportant subset of enemies would better be spent providing more story to the primary players.

Don't forget we do get mini bosses via vocational splicers, like the surgeon and the general practitioner. That's enough beyond the main cast IMO.

[Ardavion]

I ment if the mini bosses had backstories! :(

The mini bosses never get back stories... poor fellas...

As far as backstories go, SS2 always had a lot of audio logs that explained the important characters such as Diego and Delacroix, and how everything turned out the way it was: I can remember reading the audio logs in chronological order on a website somewhere, and its actually pretty amazing.

Its the same in BioShock - they do care a lot about the minibosses, more so than other games, and there is enough backstory to make them more thann just "the lieutenant sent to defeat you/stop you/slow you down".

As an example, another BIG SPOILER, but probably not as bad as my last one since I've even less info on this - some (maybe a LOT) of Sander Cohen's background.

I do warn you, since my last spoiler was evidently too much of a spoiler for some, that this is really important in the game and is an ABSOLUTE HUMDINGER of a spoiler, particularly the second paragraph - I've listed it as a separate spoiler in case you read the first paragraph and find it too much. You read at your own discretion, I take no responsibility for your disappointment:

Sander Cohen had a rivalry with another singer, called Anna Culpepper, not only with their music but also with their politics: Culpepper accused Cohen of being "Ryan's Songbird", as he went around praising Ryan and spreading popular propaganda in order to keep Ryan at the top. Culpepper used this to gain her own following by ridiculing Cohen in her own songs, and putting forward an alternative not only to Cohen's music, but to Ryan's philosophy.

This ridiculing, however, along with all the other things in Rapture, eventually sent Cohen insane, and he killed Culpepper or had her killed to shut her up, literally. He's still angered by her voice however, which is handily stored in music players of those in Rapture who still listen to her music.

Seriously, don't say I didn't warn you.

[Nias Wolf]

Yes, I was talking more along the lines of what Ardavion is saying.

Ken Levine said that he wasn't much for large supporting casts. In fact, he actually went through the script and removed unnecesary characters. I was bearing this in mind when I said that I hoped for sub bosses.

[Seamonkey]

I like the idea of a deranged beekeeper. That would be pretty damn freaky.

On a side note, these guys aren't really villains are they? Bioshock isn't black and white.

[yodashins]

Maybe you end up being the villain

dun-dun duuuuun!

[Raveness]

I like the idea of a deranged beekeeper. That would be pretty damn freaky.

On a side note, these guys aren't really villains are they? Bioshock isn't black and white.

Well I'd say villains inasmuch as they wish to kill you the protagonist. Whether or not on an accepted moral scale they are, that's up for interpretation ;)

[CrimsonKing1990]

Crazy musician crazy pianist and crazy puppeteer all the same person, name is Something Cohen, I THINK it was Roger.

I think it's Sander Cohen.

[bluechaos1]

I dont think there are very many but the drawings of them sure look creepy.

[VideoGameMonkey]

i think those are like side bosses like they aint strong but tricky to kill. The BDs are probably the main bosses. i watched an interview and they said the BDs are "Moving Bosses". kinda reminds you of this boss

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/features/developers/production-studio-4/resident-evil-3-nemesis-art.jpg

[purplerose1414]

There's a boss for each level. While true the BD's are moving boss battle, the team has also described them as mini boss battles.

[snEEkie Villain]

There's a boss for each level. While true the BD's are moving boss battle, the team has also described them as mini boss battles.

i heard in a vid that theres 4-5 "Splicer bosses"

[RedWolf26]

i heard in a vid that theres 4-5 "Splicer bosses"That'll be interesting. I wonder how effective plasmids will be against these "bosses".

[Toasty the Splicer]

isnt the surgeon guy just a splicer because i see lots of them:confused:

[Darthbduge]

Whoever mentioned about a deranged Bee Keeper, I think that is really good idea. I mean Arcadia would have to have bees to cross polinate and so maybe that is where the Insect Swarm Plasmid comes into play.

[501105]

I hope he throws with beer bottles in a big bar fight it would be awesome

[willerokiller]

Whoever mentioned about a deranged Bee Keeper, I think that is really good idea. I mean Arcadia would have to have bees to cross polinate and so maybe that is where the Insect Swarm Plasmid comes into play.

uh oh, metal gear solid: Snake Eater all over again.

[willerokiller]

uh oh, metal gear solid: Snake Eater all over again.

im taking about "The Fury" boss of course

[chrono legionaire]

uh oh, metal gear solid: Snake Eater all over again.

As long as we dont get an old man with camo and a tranquilizer gun ill be happy.;)

[hollyxdeathx]

i hope that there is many scary looking ones

[bioshock_FTW]

lolz we are talking about a group of european scientists and u take the high rode by saying his name is ROGER??? lolz J/K:p

[That_dude]

lolz we are talking about a group of european scientists and u take the high rode by saying his name is ROGER??? lolz J/K:p

Nice name rip. :p

[Nias Wolf]

isnt the surgeon guy just a splicer because i see lots of them:confused:

Yes, but he is kind of a "super splicer". He is stronger (and more insane!) than your normal, street variety splicer.

I think he is immune to some kind of attacks (freezing comes to mind).

[Bioshock_FTW!]

lolz we are talking about a group of european scientists and u take the high rode by saying his name is ROGER??? lolz J/K:p

:eek: nice name PAL!

[Ignite the will]

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