Worries about feeling short-changed.

[Digital Holocaust]

With all this talk about extra content for the PS3 version, will the same extra content be available for the PC/X360 Bioshock fans some time after the PS3 release?

I'm wondering because one of the reasons I bought my expensive X360 at the time was because of Bioshock. I'm a huge fan of the game as well as many others here and patrons can't help but feel anxious that they may be left short-changed by the PS3 version. Will we be left behind? If the extra content revolves around extra plasmids or the possible inclusion of a couple of Big Daddies that didn't make the final cut and such. Can these please be implemented into downloadable content for both the X360 and PC versions afterwards?

If the extra content is something much more substantial than easily intergrated extras such as the aforementioned... where would it leave the current fans of the game? I don't think it should be expected of us to purchase a PS3 just to play additional and original content, it's not really fair to expect that, I'm sure you'ld agree.

I can't help but feel a little anxious about all of this, I'ld really appreciate some insight into this when you guys are ready to announce your plans and ready to answer our questions.

[AngelGraves13]

I feel the same way.

I think we're entitled to some kind of response, be it official or not.

[MvmntInGrn]

If the new content doesn't make it over, chances are its due to a paid exclusivity agreement. It happens and is part of the industry from a console standpoint.

The EGM article made it sound like there were discussions in the works with Sony, this gave me the impression that any new content has been paid for in advance. Kinda like GTAIV PS3 owners being a bit annoyed about 360 exclusive content, except this wasn't known before Bioshock 360 launch.

My bet: The content is paid for and permanently exclusive to the PS3 version, hope that changes or isn't true because the Bioshock fans on this site seem really dedicated to the game.

[Digital Holocaust]

Kinda like GTAIV PS3 owners being a bit annoyed about 360 exclusive content, except this wasn't known before Bioshock 360 launch.

Exactly, at least some warning about content exclusivity was announced at a reasonably early time prior to their releases. It would be most unfair to suddenly announce additional content over a year after the original release. Many of us can't purchase a £300 console just for Bioshock all over again simply because we can't afford to, so it would be a sad day for a lot of the fans if 2K are to announce PS3 content exclusivity for the new release.

I hope it doesn't go this route at all, for the fans sake. If it does go that route, the least they could do is throw us a bone and give us a reasonable amount of additional content or extras to keep us happy.

[37inf.div.]

one what content do we know will be realeased for the ps3 that 360 and pc dosnt have

second although i am buying it again i hope that the same stuff comes out for the 360 guys, i dont whant you guy to miss out on the new things, your just as much of a bioshock fan as i am right?

but i will need your case that says FOR pc and 360 only and change that (jk)

[SarshelYam]

I don't know...PC users and 360 users have/will have had this game for a full year now. That seems a good enough bonus to me and it seems rather irellevant that the extra content go anywhere else other than the PS3...look at it as something of a reward for the wait. I kind of hope Sony jumps on making this exclusive content. I own the 360 one and will be purchasing the PS3 game, so don't think I speak the words of a raving PS3 enthusiast.

[501105]

I agree after reading the blog it sounds like we could miss out on a lot

[Digital Holocaust]

I don't know...PC users and 360 users have/will have had this game for a full year now. That seems a good enough bonus to me and it seems rather irellevant that the extra content go anywhere else other than the PS3...look at it as something of a reward for the wait. I kind of hope Sony jumps on making this exclusive content. I own the 360 one and will be purchasing the PS3 game, so don't think I speak the words of a raving PS3 enthusiast.

It's the sheer principle of the matter. Current owners of the game were under the impression for the longest time (only until recently) that Bioshock would and will be only exclusive to the PC and X360. Everytime there were hints that there might be a future release of Bioshock for the PS3, 2K would shoot the rumour down each time and say that they have no intention of releasing it for the PS3.

A lot of people trusted their word on that and invested a lot of money into keeping their X360s as a permanent addition to their hoouseholds. If 2K had plans to release Bioshock for the PS3 eventually, I would've rather they had delayed the PC and X360 release (as they did with GTA4) until the PS3 version was complete so that there would be no issues on which version had the most content and people could have decided back then what console they wanted to shell out their cash for in accordance to which version of Bioshock they wanted. But right now, current fans can't help but feel quite betrayed about the recent news, we had absolutly no idea that it would be released for the PS3 and thus the reason for this thread.

[MvmntInGrn]

It's the sheer principle of the matter. Current owners of the game were under the impression for the longest time (only until recently) that Bioshock would and will be only exclusive to the PC and X360. Everytime there were hints that there might be a future release of Bioshock for the PS3, 2K would shoot the rumour down each time and say that they have no intention of releasing it for the PS3.

A lot of people trusted their word on that and invested a lot of money into keeping their X360s as a permanent addition to their hoouseholds. If 2K had plans to release Bioshock for the PS3 eventually, I would've rather they had delayed the PC and X360 release (as they did with GTA4) until the PS3 version was complete so that there would be no issues on which version had the most content and people could have decided back then what console they wanted to shell out their cash for in accordance to which version of Bioshock they wanted. But right now, current fans can't help but feel quite betrayed about the recent news, we had absolutly no idea that it would be released for the PS3 and thus the reason for this thread.

Thats understandable I suppose but really no third party game remains exclusive.

Unless a company (like Microsoft) buys the full rights to a game, you should expect a port if the game does well. With the amazing success of Bioshock and even a movie on the discussion table a port was inevitable, even BEFORE the game launched it was clear the hype was immense.

As soon as RE4 got good scores on GC it was clear it would get the port treatment, even got new content on PS2.

While this can't help much now, know that ANY successful game that isn't OWNED by one of the three large console companies will receive a port, 80% sure. I'm almost positive Mass Effect 1 or 2 will see light on the PS3, even the 360 exclusive splinter cell will most likely. Even MGS4 COULD see life on 360 (of course Sony would pay extravagantly to prevent that).

I really think it comes down to business, Microsoft most likely payed for exclusivity rights for a set time, when that time was up 2K most likely said "wow this game is very successful, it has potential for movies and great life on other systems." *This is just speculation, there could have been arrangements but we don't know that.*

Bottom line, not only has this happened to Bioshock, but to a lot of once exclusive and well received games. Either way its great to see the game get a new audience and I wouldn't say that 2K has done anything out of the ordinary, it seems fishy but the word "exclusive" should often be followed by an asterisk.

[Digital Holocaust]

I see them doing something out of the ordinary when they kept denying rumours before the recent announcement that Bioshock would see the light of day on the PS3. I think my point still stands and some answers from 2K themselves would be nice, just so that the older fans know where they stand with all this additional content talk.

[MvmntInGrn]

But what exactly would you like them to say? The EGM article states that talk are underway, when everything is set in stone about what, if any, new content will be added then 2K will have a answer. I really don't think its a 10min discussion, both companies have to talk and agree.

Bioshock PS3 is still new info, wait for some interviews and whatnot, they may have answers to exclusivity questions. I would also keep an eye on Playstation Blog and e3, we will know whether the content is exclusive by e3 I'd wager, it'll come up for sure. (assuming the game is there, which it will most likely be even if behind close doors.)

[Digital Holocaust]

But what exactly would you like them to say? The EGM article states that talk are underway, when everything is set in stone about what, if any, new content will be added then 2K will have a answer. I really don't think its a 10min discussion, both companies have to talk and agree.

Bioshock PS3 is still new info, wait for some interviews and whatnot, they may have answers to exclusivity questions. I would also keep an eye on Playstation Blog and e3, we will know whether the content is exclusive by e3 I'd wager, it'll come up for sure. (assuming the game is there, which it will most likely be even if behind close doors.)

Well there's no need to continue speculation really so I'm not really going to debate with you about what it is they have or haven't done. I'm gonna wait to see what they say themselves. Hopefully they'll be kind enough to answer questions in here without too long of a wait. I think I posted previously what it is I'ld like them to do if the PS3 content was too technically complicated to be released as downloadable content for the PC and X360, which is to just throw us a bone with some content that can be implemented as downloadable.

Hm, 2K Elizabeth said they would answer questions on here by next week, so I might as well try and put a word in for the fans before E3 comes about.

[Raining Light]

There has been the same discussions/arguements on the Mass Effect forums, between the 360 version and the PC version. But I wont get into that here.

I hope they don't screw us over.

There is still 150 achievements points left to use.;)

[501105]

Indeed it would really show the fans on pc/360 that they are not forgotten (which will make more people buy bioshock 2 knowing that)

[Digital Holocaust]

There has been the same discussions/arguements on the Mass Effect forums, between the 360 version and the PC version. But I wont get into that here.

I hope they don't screw us over.

There is still 150 achievements points left to use.;)

Yep! It would be awesome to have a new bunch of achievements, some new enemies, new weapons and some new plasmids. :)

[PlasmidJunkie1]

Whetever the ps3 gets, I hope 2K will repay us 360 and PC owners someway. I hope they give us the same content in an update after the ps3 versions release.

[Da_wolf]

If the ps3 version gets extra content (shudders) 2k should at least create a patch so Xbox 360 and pc players get the bonuses as well

But the pc version didn't have any extra bits either, just putting it out there

[DazJW]

No, 360 and PC won't get the content.

It's standard practice now that if a game is a timed exclusive on one platform the platforms that it get later will likely have extra content and this content won't be made available on the older version.

See:
Resident Evil 4 - PS2 (and Wii) additional content vs Gamecube version
Viewtiful Joe - as above
Gears of War - PC version has extra levels vs 360 version
Unreal Tournament 3 - 360 version has extra levels and characters vs the PC and PS3 versions (though this is somewhat nullified by PC and PS3 supporting mods and the 360 not supporting them)

Anyone who genuinely believes exclusivity deals in the games industry is an idiot frankly, so few of them are real rather than timed.

On the slight off chance the content does come out it'll be a long time after the PS3 release.

[Raining Light]

An addtional 6 minutes to the opening sequence and a new level with new enemies.

I hope they release it to the 360 and PC.
There will be alot of ticked off people if they don't.
But that seems to be a new trend.-Piss off the original consumers to bring in new ones.

[japester]

I find all the griping a bit ridiculous.

If BioShock had been broken, or lacking, or if the PS3 version came out a few months later, these complaints might have a shred of credibility. But they don't. The mere fact that people are still here, passionately talking about the game, so long after launch, shows how great it is. The PS3 crowd got left in the gutter. After a year's wait, they are being thrown a bone. It's as simple as that. And it makes perfect sense.

I'd like it if my PC version got additional content, but I in no way feel cheated. And neither should anyone else. The game is awesome.

It's all about perspective, people.

[rek075]

I don't think there is a reason for them to not release any additional content for the PC and 360, unless they would like some of those who already purchased the game to purchase it a second time... in which case I think that is somewhat greedy. I am glad that PS3 owners will finally get this game, since I think everyone should own and play it, but 2K should continue to support their existing fanbase.

[Raining Light]

And people have different perspectives, japster.

Im tired of people saying get over it(on things of this issue-see Mass Effect-lol).
We like this game we want more of it. To give it to some people and not others, would bother anyone(but I guess not everyone), no matter what the media is.

It's because we love it that we are bothered we may not get more of it.

[japester]

To give it to some people and not others, would bother anyone(but I guess not everyone), no matter what the media is.


Let me give you an analogy. Katrina victims, who lost everything in the flood, got FEMA assistance. Part of that assistance included care packages of emergency food. Candy bars were among the included foodstuffs.

It's one thing to say, "Those people got candy bars paid for by my tax money. You know, I really like candy bars. I wish I could have a candy bar, too."

It's entirely another thing to say, "The government cheated me! They used my tax money to give those people candy bars! I should get one, too! That's only fair."

The second perspective.....is wrong. Plain and simple. Because it completely ignores the hardship endured by the victims that resulted in the candy bars.

Ask for the additional content to be ported to PC/360. Hope for it. But don't imply you got a raw deal by purchasing BioShock without it. There is real-world value in being able to play the game for up to 12 months before the PS3 crowd gets so much as a taste. All the mystery that we enjoyed is gone for them. Everything is spoiled for them. So they will never get to enjoy the same experience we all had, discovering Rapture for the first time. By giving them a bit of new content, they get to enjoy a fraction of what we did.

Like I said, perspective. :)

[japester]

I don't think there is a reason for them to not release any additional content for the PC and 360, unless they would like some of those who already purchased the game to purchase it a second time... in which case I think that is somewhat greedy.

You are over-simplifying. There are all sorts of potential factors at work. And 2K being "greedy" is one of the least likely. ;)

As someone else suggested, this could be an exclusive deal paid for by Sony. A straight port of a year-old game has diminished value. The added content may have been uniquely ordered by Sony to balance out the fact that BioShock is (relatively) old news.

Also, the team is surely hard at work on BioShock 2. Once the PS3 folks get BS1, 2K might want to devote their full efforts to bringing BS2 to market for everyone as quickly as possible. It would take time and effort to port the PS3 content back to the PC/360 base. And this might be further complicated if the enhancements being built into the PS3 version are not compatible with the PC/360 existing code.

The bottom line is that none of us knows the details behind the deal and what is involved with the programming.

[Impulsivity]

First off original exclusivity is in no way an indication of that original version being superior or even equal to later versions. For a great example Gears of War ported to the PC included a full set of new levels that were too expansive for the 360 to handle.

In that vein making new content PS3 exclusive would do two things, first it would free them from the size and complexity constraints the 360 imposes on developers (with its weaker computing power, no guaranteed hard drive, lower capacity media ect ect). This would let the team make whatever they want and fit it right on the Blu-Ray with room to spare and have the PS3 run it flawlessly even if the 360 can't. That content could very well go to PC too though probably for a fee, because of reason 2!

Reason 2 is to give people who already bought or at least rented it on 360 or PC a reason to buy the PS3 version. I for one never bought the 360 version though I did rent it and play it through to the stunning finale. I was waiting for and hoping for a PS3 version to buy ever since the rumors started around the original release date. I refuse to buy 360 games if there is any chance of a port to PS3 or at worst the PC (though to me chance at PS3 is still > a PC version, can't play the PC version on a 52 inch LCD with high end suround sound speakers!). This release would sell both to original fans who want a superior version with added content, and new customers like me who played it on the other systems but hadn't made the purchase yet.

Oblivion was a great example of how to do this, they made a game of the year version for PS3, it included a bunch of the optinal content for free with purchase and looked way better especially in terms of draw distance and frame rate, win all around.

If 360 owners haven't learned by now that no 360 game ever stays exclusive (Halo 3 is the last holdout and if we don't see it as a game for vista like Halo 2 I'd be amazed beyond words) for more then a year...

[Raining Light]

Comparing a video game to a disater where people died is really low.
I cant believe you did that.

I could care less about exclusivity. But I think everyone should have access to the same game.

What the above poster said about the year wait etc etc. I understand it. But I still would like the new stuff. Will I die without it? NO, but I might cry-lol. Either way I will be buying the game again, its just that good. It would just be a bonus if there was more new stuff. The part that bugs me the most is when new content adds to or affects the story in some way. They are talking about adding 6 minutes to the opening scence, where it shows Rature, either before the fall, or before you arrive. And adding a new area with new enemies has some weight to it also.
---Of course that stuff is just rumor right now.---

[Hodory]

Consider it a great thing, that even after a year, people are still raving about this game. If the game sucked, people wouldn't be complaining about missing out on potential new content. I will take this argument any day over terrible games which seem to stick out like sore thumbs all over the shelves.

Based on what kind of contents the new stuff are, and how complicated they are technically, we may or may not see DLC content on 360 / PC. I personally prefer to play games like BioShock on 360 because I prefer its controller for any shooting games. The DLC will be very nice, but if it doesn't happen, I won't feel all that cheated out by it.

[japester]

Comparing a video game to a disater where people died is really low.
I cant believe you did that.

It's called an analogy. I didn't make light of the disaster in any way. In fact, I've actually helped on site with disaster relief. Have you? :cool:

Yeah, if the extra content changed the story, I'd want to see it.

But I have a feeling that the video, at the very least, will be on Youtube about 5 minutes after the first copy is sold. ;)

[Raining Light]

I know its an analogy but its still low.

No I havent helped. I would love to but I have problems of my own. And with your little "cool" smiley, well I think it speaks for its self and what your view is.
Its not a game or something to make you "cool".
Donating is helping, its a great thing, everyone who can, should do it.

But Im gonna quit cause IM not gonna argue.

As far as the issue at hand-the game. People are gonna feel jipped, Im one of them. But its not cause I hate anything, its cause I loved it. I want all I can get. IT just feels like you are not getting the full experiance, when someone else gets more then you.

[Death]

First off original exclusivity is in no way an indication of that original version being superior or even equal to later versions. For a great example Gears of War ported to the PC included a full set of new levels that were too expansive for the 360 to handle.

In that vein making new content PS3 exclusive would do two things, first it would free them from the size and complexity constraints the 360 imposes on developers (with its weaker computing power, no guaranteed hard drive, lower capacity media ect ect). This would let the team make whatever they want and fit it right on the Blu-Ray with room to spare and have the PS3 run it flawlessly even if the 360 can't. That content could very well go to PC too though probably for a fee, because of reason 2!

Reason 2 is to give people who already bought or at least rented it on 360 or PC a reason to buy the PS3 version. I for one never bought the 360 version though I did rent it and play it through to the stunning finale. I was waiting for and hoping for a PS3 version to buy ever since the rumors started around the original release date. I refuse to buy 360 games if there is any chance of a port to PS3 or at worst the PC (though to me chance at PS3 is still > a PC version, can't play the PC version on a 52 inch LCD with high end suround sound speakers!). This release would sell both to original fans who want a superior version with added content, and new customers like me who played it on the other systems but hadn't made the purchase yet.

Oblivion was a great example of how to do this, they made a game of the year version for PS3, it included a bunch of the optinal content for free with purchase and looked way better especially in terms of draw distance and frame rate, win all around.

If 360 owners haven't learned by now that no 360 game ever stays exclusive (Halo 3 is the last holdout and if we don't see it as a game for vista like Halo 2 I'd be amazed beyond words) for more then a year...

This is a example of a fanboy. Seriously. Look at the post. Definite fanboy.

[japester]

I know its an analogy but its still low.

No I havent helped. I would love to but I have problems of my own. And with your little "cool" smiley, well I think it speaks for its self and what your view is.
Its not a game or something to make you "cool".
Donating is helping, its a great thing, everyone who can, should do it.

But Im gonna quit cause IM not gonna argue.


So it speaks for itself...but you'll still talk smack and then decide to get back on topic? :rolleyes:

No, that smiley is me saying, "I've gotten my hands dirty by cleaning up rubble after 3 horrific hurricanes in Florida, and here is someone on the internet who's probably never been in the thick of it, fabricating some drama because I mentioned a hot-button topic, and he doesn't like it." Steering wheel is to car as rudder is to boat is an analogy. And it doesn't compare the boat to the car at all. So give it a rest about me being "low".

I hope you get your extra content. You can feel jipped if you want, but I've explained how that feeling isn't very reasonable. I guess we shall disagree.

[Raining Light]

I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut, cause I have nothing nice to say.

[PSUDONYMOUS]

short changed! and you dare call yourselves bioshock fans! how will we be short changed? morons! why dont you just ask for your money back while your at it? on the grounds that ps3 version might look better and have more content..... good god andrew ryan woudl turn in his grave, of course the ps3 version will be tweeked they have had more time to play with it now and in case you havent noticed games generally speakin improve with time and that is down to the teams experience and technological advances that will have been made creating the original version, this ps3 version no matter what happens will not beat the original experience i had when i played it for the first time and to think that you can say that sadens me an no doubt the 2k team, they dont owe us anything! they've already given us one of the most memorable gaming experiences to date and if anything you owe them your appreciation and thanks not some childish winge about the new toy having a better sword than the one you bought a year ago and so u feel they should give you that sword aswell becuase its only fair? are you crazy! apologise imeadiately or leave your bad vibes at the door on your way out.

PSUDONYMOUS.

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and just for the record i hope there is extra levels or expansions of the existing ones, more plasmids than you can shake a stick at, new weapons and toys, improved graphics, better AI, new enemies and another ending and the sooner the better i cant wait for the ps3 version, u folks are sore because you dont own ps3's and i understand but thats life and not 2k's fault.

[samman6]

2k games is retarded, they already ruined the shock series name by whoring out 2 sequels and a movie, Ken Levine should beat the crap out of some execs, because the seriers is already tarnished, you know what **** you you ps3 people can have the extra content because honestly i bet it is crap you call that plasmid pack dlc that was the most spartan pos ever those plasmids were horrible. Once the creator leaves, so does the quality, i can only hope now for my system shock 2 remake.

[dontcountstars]

I just think it is bad practise for any company to alienate its existing fan base by only rewarding *new customers* so to speak.

I think any BioShock fan who has it on the 360 and can't afford the (in my opinion) still overpriced PS3, should not miss out on parts of the amazing Rapture Universe we all love so much.

But as the great Ryan said: "You can kill me, but you will never have my city. My strength is not in steel and fire, that is what the parasites will never understand. A season for all things! A time to live and a time to die, a time to build... and a time to destroy!"

All I say is - don't destroy our access to more of Rapture - give us the same opportunity as those who own PS3s.

[xPyro]

And PS3 owners should have been given the same opportunity as 360/pc owners by being able to play BioShock when it was first released =/

[dontcountstars]

Everyone has to wait for games xPyro, so Im afraid I have to disagree.

PS3 owners should have been given the same opportunity as 360/pc owners

Should have been given the right? That's a remarkably arrogant attitude to take. Despite what you may think, I don't believe you have earnt the right to be treated better just because your console didn't receive the game at the same time as others did.

I live in the UK and games are often released months after Japan and the US...but we don't get *rewarded* with extra exclusive content just because we had to wait longer. Sorry, but that's a completely ridiculous point to make.

I mean, I want to play certain games now(like Viva Pinata 2 for example), but they're not released yet, so I have to wait till I can. When they are released, I will get the exact same game as everyone else, even though they got it earlier (UK release dates are almost always after those of US and Japan, by varying amounts of time). I don't get a better game because I couldn't buy it as soon as they could. By your reasoning I should get tons of new features, every time I cam finally get a game thats is released later than others get it...see the faulty logic?

If MGS4 comes out on the 360 at some point in the future, should we get a better version with exclusive content just because we had to wait longer?

Fallout 3 is released this October in the US, but is only Q3 for Europe, meaning it might make it out in time for christmas if we're lucky, so should we Europeans get *rewarded* for our longer wait with some extra content?

I could give more examples, but that would just be facetious :)

[xPyro]

Everyone has to wait for games xPyro, so Im afraid I have to disagree.



Should have been given the right? That's a remarkably arrogant attitude to take. Despite what you may think, I don't believe you have earnt the right to be treated better just because your console didn't receive the game at the same time as others did.

I live in the UK and games are often released months after Japan and the US...but we don't get *rewarded* with extra exclusive content just because we had to wait longer. Sorry, but that's a completely ridiculous point to make.

I mean, I want to play certain games now(like Viva Pinata 2 for example), but they're not released yet, so I have to wait till I can. When they are released, I will get the exact same game as everyone else, even though they got it earlier (UK release dates are almost always after those of US and Japan, by varying amounts of time). I don't get a better game because I couldn't buy it as soon as they could. By your reasoning I should get tons of new features, every time I cam finally get a game thats is released later than others get it...see the faulty logic?

Your post is slightly irrelevant, as I am also from the UK :p


By your reasoning I should get tons of new features, every time I cam finally get a game thats is released later than others get it
Wouldn't that just be lovely.

Anyway, it may be a relevant point to make for 360/PC owners to receive the content if PS3-owners were given the game a couple of months after it's original release, but a full year? A lot of people would be angry if they weren't shown some form of gratitude for having to wait that long to play the game :p

I personally don't care if I get exclusive content or not.

I am just sticking up for the people who may have been angered if 360/PC owners received the content PS3 owners got, and got to play the game a full year before them.

[dontcountstars]

Haha touche! :p You're right, a few months IS different to a year - but regardless, the principle is the exactly the same. You can't have one rule for one instance and a different rule for another. In that case, who decides how long a delay equals a content reward? Things like that only lead to more problems.

I didn't realise you were from the UK too, but it was only an example of how there is no justifiable reason to deny everyone except the owners of PS3s the ability to experience the new developments of a much loved game, so while it may not be as relevent in your case, it wasn't meant to be a direct comparison.

To be fair, the game was originally an xbox exclusive, after being developed by Irrational starting 2004, before Take Two bought them, so really ps3 owneres are lucky to be recieving the game at all, extra content or no.

2K is excited to release BioShock exclusively on Xbox 360 and under the Games for Windows brand on the PC - Christoph Hartmann, President, 2K, Oct 2006

And I'm not saying don't have extra content/improvements... I am completely in favour of making games better for everyone. What I am saying is that it is wrong to deny the 2.2million customers who have previously bought the game from being able to experience the content simply because they don't own a PS3. That's it!

Besides, maybe it could have been jointly released, had the PS3 come out earlier, games take time to port, and that is no ones fault but Sonys'. More importantly, everyone who doesn't yet own it, CHOSE to wait for it; they could have got a PC or 360 version, (I'd say around 97% of people have PCs nowadays, even if they don't have a 360, before you say ;) )However if the new content is exclusive to PS3, 360 and PC owners can't CHOOSE to own it unless we buy a PS3 especially for it, and it's the fact that it seems we are not being given a choice at all that is upsetting. Ccan you at least understand that?

[MiJO]

there's no point to even try to tell a 360 owner that they shouldn't be entitled to updated content. God's gift to the world.

Here's an analogy for you dontcountstars since you love debating this issue so highly;

I don't know what type of cars females drive in the UK, but lets take a Mini, for example. You can use any automobile for this really. Lets say, you buy the 2008 model, 2 litre motor, 4 wheels, basic options, anything, the next year, the 2009 comes out with a 2.4 litre motor. Do you think you should be entitled to the 2.4 litre motor just because you already have the Mini? Basically you're out of luck.

I can clearly see your point having read multiple posts of yours stating the same redundancies. I understand that 2K had stated Bioshock would be 360 exclusive. As with any company trying to make money, if you see an opportunity to make MORE money, you reevaluate your strategies and go after that ever weakening dollar.

It's not like the PS3 is getting a brand new game, the content the PS3 is getting WAS ALREADY IN THE 360 whether it was originally there, or from the few patches Bioshock has received. The only thing that is different is ONE, count it ONE level, the zoo, and the opening movie which as was stated earlier, the WHOLE 5 minutes worth, can be viewed on Youtube within 2 hours of the release of Bioshock on PS3.

The underlining message all 360 Bioshock owners need to grasp is that it's the SAME game you've already played. New beginning, SAME middle, ONE new level, SAME end, SAME plasmids, SAME story.

[MiJO]

Besides, maybe it could have been jointly released, had the PS3 come out earlier, games take time to port, and that is no ones fault but Sonys'. More importantly, everyone who doesn't yet own it, CHOSE to wait for it; they could have got a PC or 360 version, (I'd say around 97% of people have PCs nowadays, even if they don't have a 360, before you say ;) )However if the new content is exclusive to PS3, 360 and PC owners can't CHOOSE to own it unless we buy a PS3 especially for it, and it's the fact that it seems we are not being given a choice at all that is upsetting. Ccan you at least understand that?

I fail to see how this is Sony's fault. That's highly unintelligent, as seeing as how they don't program games for 2k. That's what 2k's programmers do. Hence THEIR names being in the credits. I think it's upsetting that PS3 owners weren't GIVEN the option to even buy it last year. There's plenty of studios that have PS3 and 360 programmers, so there should be no problem for 2k to be able to publish a PS3 version at the same time. Bioshock came out 9 MONTHS after the PS3 had be released. EA Sports was able to do it. They released Fight Night 3 less than 10 months after the 360 version, and having the PS3 released less than a month prior. If anyone should be getting upset, it should be the PS3 owners asking 2k why it takes OVER A YEAR to release, once again, THE SAME GAME. Ccan you at least understand that?

[japester]

I live in the UK and games are often released months after Japan and the US...but we don't get *rewarded* with extra exclusive content just because we had to wait longer. Sorry, but that's a completely ridiculous point to make.


While my heart goes out to other countries that must wait longer and/or pay more for games, I'm afraid it's your point that is irrelevant. The US is the primary market for most games produced within the US. So decisions like these are based on our experience with the product. The delay in reaching your country has no bearing (typically). If we used your same faulty logic, games that cost $40USD here and $70USD there should also have extra content to justify the price. But we know that isn't so, either. It's just a factor of the international market.


I didn't realise you were from the UK too, but it was only an example of how there is no justifiable reason to deny everyone except the owners of PS3s the ability to experience the new developments of a much loved game, so while it may not be as relevent in your case, it wasn't meant to be a direct comparison.

Even if you ignore the primary possibility for adding extra content to the PS3 version (delay coming to market), you have another excellent reason why it may be so. Sony may have contractually required it. In bringing a relatively "old" game over to their system, Sony may have required that 2K add something extra to make it worthwhile to their user base. That would make perfect sense.

The problem with the complaints about people feeling "cheated" and criticizing 2K for the possibility of exclusive content is that they all represent a very selfish, unenlightened viewpoint. People see something they want (extra content), and they lash out, without a care or concern for the reality of the situation. There are very practical and very legal reasons why this possibility might exist (has exclusivity been confirmed yet?), and it is far from unique. Exclusive content happens all the time. People need to relax, hope for the best, and stop tossing unfair and unreasonable blame around.

[Armanguy]

Im going give my 2 cents, the ps3 version might be getting some extra content as a bonus for being so long over due. But i dont think anyone here knows how long and hard it is to port all that new content so it can be used on either PC or X360 versions. They would need to take some time to do so, Because of the diffrent types of architecture both systems have (Xbox360 is a glorified PC if you get into the nitty gritty of it. thats why its so easy to develope for the console.*im not a fanboy i work on games myself*) and thats why its taken so long for them to release the PS3 version of the game.

Also coming from a marketing standpoint extra content will lure xbox360/PC owners who already own the game to buy or rent the game for there PS3's.

and seriously how many times can you run through this game? also if i wanted anything as a fan i would want multiplayer over anything else! but thats not gonna happen, and i intend to do something about it. you guys will learn about that in the near future :)

[dontcountstars]

I fail to see how this is Sony's fault. That's highly unintelligent, as seeing as how they don't program games for 2k.

Haha sorry I think I phrased it badly! I meant that had the PS3 not suffered such long delays (sony being the maker of it = sony directly responsible) this would have helped bioshock some out on PS3 earlier, as 2k would have had the necessary time to devlop it for PS3 release, given how notoriously time-consuming it is to develop for etc.

Not being an expert however, that is just the way I look at it, and may or may not be the case :)

But when all is said at the end of the day I am glad PS3 owners are finally getting a chance to experience this amazing game, I know my younger brother for one is super excited about it. I only wanted to express disappointment/concern for all the 360 and pc owners of the game who feel left out by talk of new levels and enemies we would have loved to get a chance to buy. I'm sure you would feel a little the same way if it was the other way round. :)

Regardless, I hope you guys all really enjoy the game and I will just keep my fingers crossed that any new content will eventually be available to the people who don't have PS3s.

Also coming from a marketing standpoint extra content will lure xbox360/PC owners who already own the game to buy or rent the game for there PS3's.


That is true, but in a lot of cases like mine, no matter how good a game is, I cannot justify to my bank balance buying a PS3 just for a little extra content that *may* yet be made multi-platform, as the PS3 has very few other games I'm personally interested in, and as it is still so much more expensive, I can see many others feeling the same way. Especially as the PS3 is not even close to being the main console on the market - this isn't a criticism, just a fact right now (so don't shout at me!) so there's a lot of people who just don't have one and probably can't get one due to the price.

Also, I'm not sure multiplayer would be all that great, there are so many amazing multiplayer games out there, and Bioshock stands as one of the greatest single player experiences available. Maybe it would be good in the future, (maybe a big daddy/little sister player combo?) but certainly not for the first game, at least that's what I think :)

[RyanAndrews]

I fail to see how this is Sony's fault. That's highly unintelligent, as seeing as how they don't program games for 2k. That's what 2k's programmers do. Hence THEIR names being in the credits. I think it's upsetting that PS3 owners weren't GIVEN the option to even buy it last year. There's plenty of studios that have PS3 and 360 programmers, so there should be no problem for 2k to be able to publish a PS3 version at the same time. Bioshock came out 9 MONTHS after the PS3 had be released. EA Sports was able to do it. They released Fight Night 3 less than 10 months after the 360 version, and having the PS3 released less than a month prior. If anyone should be getting upset, it should be the PS3 owners asking 2k why it takes OVER A YEAR to release, once again, THE SAME GAME.

It takes time to decide to do the port. And if you didn't notice, Microsoft had set up for it to be exclusive for a while. (Hence the "Only for Windows and XBOX 360" Stamp on the boxes. PS3 owners don't have a right to be mad because they just found out a former Microsoft exclusive is coming to them in October. There is nothing for them to be mad about if they want a quality port.

[501105]

Well I am sure that tomorrow when the new content is shown there will only be talk about the ps3 version so nobody should get angry..... yet
Seriously though it would show some support to the fans of the other platforms that they are not forgotten which will only make bioshock 2 sales in the future better.

[drillintheface]

I have a 360 but im not sure we will get extra content although i do believe that PC users should. It will be easier to market extra content for PC users since they wont have to deal with the marketplace and microsoft who will most likely somehow screw it up.

[RyanAndrews]

Honestly. Don't expect the content. Unreal Engine 3 has been upgraded since BioShock was first developed. So new content would be incompatible, if tey build with the upgraded engine. This was the reason that the new Gears of War PC content couldn't be brought to 360 as DLC. It was developed with an upgraded version of the engine, which had content that was incompatible with the 360 Gears version. So while the original Gears content was simply ported to PC, the new content was developed with a new engine version that they couldn't get playing on 360.:(

Time to get yourselves a PS3. Besides, it is the cheapest, firmware-upgradeable, Blu-Ray player that I have found. And who wouldn't want BioShock the movie on blu-ray when it comes out.;)

[ReverendSID]

Thats understandable I suppose but really no third party game remains exclusive.

Unless a company (like Microsoft) buys the full rights to a game, you should expect a port if the game does well. With the amazing success of Bioshock and even a movie on the discussion table a port was inevitable, even BEFORE the game launched it was clear the hype was immense.

As soon as RE4 got good scores on GC it was clear it would get the port treatment, even got new content on PS2.

While this can't help much now, know that ANY successful game that isn't OWNED by one of the three large console companies will receive a port, 80% sure. I'm almost positive Mass Effect 1 or 2 will see light on the PS3, even the 360 exclusive splinter cell will most likely. Even MGS4 COULD see life on 360 (of course Sony would pay extravagantly to prevent that).

I really think it comes down to business, Microsoft most likely payed for exclusivity rights for a set time, when that time was up 2K most likely said "wow this game is very successful, it has potential for movies and great life on other systems." *This is just speculation, there could have been arrangements but we don't know that.*

Bottom line, not only has this happened to Bioshock, but to a lot of once exclusive and well received games. Either way its great to see the game get a new audience and I wouldn't say that 2K has done anything out of the ordinary, it seems fishy but the word "exclusive" should often be followed by an asterisk.

I agree with most of what you said, except for the part about MGS4. I personally believe that Sony has already paid a great deal of money for exclusivity of that title, but that aside... MGS4 would not fit on a 360 disc. The discs they use hold less then half what a Blu-ray disc holds.

And that's actually another factor in the content department. Alot of cross console games are developed with the data limitations of the 360 media in mind, which kind of sucks for people who only own PS3's. They're getting less then what their media could accommodate. I have both systems, and I enjoy the 360 exclusives, but when it comes to cross console games I often find myself thinking "Damn, they could have added so much more to the PS3 version."

Now, putting aside the probability of Sony paying for Exclusivity on new content for Bioshock. (which would probably be an "x amount of time" kind of deal like the original X-Box exclusivity deal) I do agree that the loyal X-Box owners should get something, even all of the content when the time runs out on the deal. But the question is, CAN you? I mean, will it fit on the 360's tiny hard drive? Yeah, I know you can get a 120g for the 360 now, but not everyone has one of those. Oddly enough, I don't think anyone kept the original hard drive in their PS3. You can't just go buy a hard drive and hook it up to your 360 can you? I never checked. *shrug*

Okay, I'm rambling now. To close, I hope they don't leave the 360 folks completely out in the cold on new content, but if Sony paid, you're screwed. :( Sorry. And no MGS4 for 360, not possible without multiple discs and massive load time.

[RyanAndrews]

[QUOTE=ReverendSID;306515]You can't just go buy a hard drive and hook it up to your 360 can you? I never checked. *shrug*
QUOTE]

Just the compatible ones by Microsoft. There is a 120GB and the 20GB. And the newly announced 60GB.

But, yeah wwe shouldn't expect the content, but if we get it then what a nice surprise!;)

[501105]

Still we dont even know what the new content is yet.

[xPyro]

Even MGS4 COULD see life on 360 (of course Sony would pay extravagantly to prevent that).

LOL

I don't use the capital 'lol' in many circumstances, so let me explain.
SONY JUST CLOSED THE BOOK WITH THAT ARGUMENT.

If Sony would pay extravagantly to keep MGS4 exclusive, then how the hell was FFXIII just announced to be going to the 360?

:D
Why would Sony pay for MGS4 to stay exclusive, but not FFXIII?


hehe.
A lot of PS3 owners are going to be piiiiiiiiiiii**ed.
(Not me, I dont like jrpg's, so it doesn't exactly bother me)

Apologies for (slightly) off topic post.

[ReverendSID]

LOL

I don't use the capital 'lol' in many circumstances, so let me explain.
SONY JUST CLOSED THE BOOK WITH THAT ARGUMENT.

If Sony would pay extravagantly to keep MGS4 exclusive, then how the hell was FFXIII just announced to be going to the 360?

:D
Why would Sony pay for MGS4 to stay exclusive, but not FFXIII?


hehe.
A lot of PS3 owners are going to be piiiiiiiiiiii**ed.
(Not me, I dont like jrpg's, so it doesn't exactly bother me)

Apologies for (slightly) off topic post.
Who says they didn't try to? Look at it this way. Sony offers Konami x amount of money to keep MGS4 exclusive. Konami says yes.
Sony offers x amount of money to SE to keep FF13 exclusive, but MS offers z amount to NOT keep it exclusive. SE being the money grubbing *expletive deleted*s that they are, accepts MS's offer and tells Sony to go *expletive deleted* themselves.

EDIT: Your final statement however, is correct. I own both systems and I'm still extremely pissed about this. Mainly because the 360 is a weaker system hardware wise and now the game is going to be developed based on that hardware instead of the more capable PS3's hardware. I can only imagine that the people who only own a PS3 are even more pissed.

[RyanAndrews]

Even MGS4 COULD see life on 360 (of course Sony would pay extravagantly to prevent that).


Funny thing is, it was just announced that Final Fantasy XIII is now going to launch on both 360 and PS3. Sony is losing their grip on exclusives. They also lost Devil May Cry 4. Now Rock Band 2 will launch on 360 first, as will The Last Remnant. So, yeah, about any game can get put on either console, but Sony is clearly not willing to pay enough to keep Microsoft from getting in.

[501105]

So we get all new ps3 content too yay

[xPyro]

Who says they didn't try to? Look at it this way. Sony offers Konami x amount of money to keep MGS4 exclusive. Konami says yes.
Sony offers x amount of money to SE to keep FF13 exclusive, but MS offers z amount to NOT keep it exclusive. SE being the money grubbing *expletive deleted*s that they are, accepts MS's offer and tells Sony to go *expletive deleted* themselves.

Yeah, I guess so :p

lol, I guess in the end, it honestly doesn't matter, as long you can have fun with the version you get, then there shouldn't be any complaints.

Money is more important than consumers in any big company nowadays, so you are obviously going to score if it is used as a form of persuasion in any circumstance :p
If we were the leaders of the companies, then things may be different, but we're not, so we are going to just have to live with the decision.
Exposing a company as money grubbers has almost miniscule importance to them, because, they know that every other big company is as well.

They know, in the long run, everyone will still buy the game, so it's always a winning situation in their eyes :p

[ReverendSID]

Funny thing though, I feel kind of like a hypocrite today. I can't really explain why, but after hearing the announcement made during MS's conference about Fallout 3, I found myself seriously upset.

I can understand the logic behind adding exclusive content to a new release of a year old game, kind of a treat for those who had to wait. (though I still do hope they release the stuff for the other versions if they can) But to have DLC on 2 out of 3 platforms you're releasing a game on (at the same time) and then to completely exclude the 3rd, annoys me for some reason. *shrug* I can't figure it out exactly cause it doesn't affect me at all, I have all 3 of the platforms (PC, 360, and PS3). I don't know, it just felt like a slap in the face.

[RyanAndrews]

Funny thing though, I feel kind of like a hypocrite today. I can't really explain why, but after hearing the announcement made during MS's conference about Fallout 3, I found myself seriously upset.

I can understand the logic behind adding exclusive content to a new release of a year old game, kind of a treat for those who had to wait. (though I still do hope they release the stuff for the other versions if they can) But to have DLC on 2 out of 3 platforms you're releasing a game on (at the same time) and then to completely exclude the 3rd, annoys me for some reason. *shrug* I can't figure it out exactly cause it doesn't affect me at all, I have all 3 of the platforms (PC, 360, and PS3). I don't know, it just felt like a slap in the face.

Well Microsoft platforms will be getting the DLC. They are really just giving it to Microsoft. So don't look at it as one platform being excluded, look at it as one company being excluded (Sony).

[501105]

Well I was wrong all new content ps3 only since sony paid some bucks.

[Cordy]

It is unfortunate people who have had the game for quite sometime are unable to get this new content. However I do nt believe they are entitled to it. Why is it ok to feel entitled for this content now that it is being offered to a new audience (PS3) but when the 360 gets exclusive DLC for many games and the other audience (PS3) doesn't then that is still okay. It seems quite unfair that people think it's okay to get exclusive stuff as long as they are the benefactors but complain about it when they are not. I have played Bioshock on the PC and plan on picking it up for the PS3. I read someone said it's not 2k's fault that Sony took so long with releasing the PS3 and devkits but the actuality of the situation was Microsoft paid to make the game a timed exclusive. There is no doubt the team probably had issues developing the PS3 version however as it was new hardware and most devs did. Now that Sony is getting their version with their content everyone feels like they've been "short-changed" but their hearts don't go out to the PS3 users who were "short-changed" when Microsoft bought timed exclusivity of the title or when they buy exclusive DLC for other games. 2k is just making their game available to a new audience and trying to give them the best experience possible. If you think you are being "short-changed" then couple of words for you, GTAIV, Fallout 3 then ask yourself if PS3 users are being short-changed. I'm sure you won't think so because of you'll find logic to justify it, but any justification therefore applies to Bioshock on the PS3 as well.

[RyanAndrews]

It is unfortunate people who have had the game for quite sometime are unable to get this new content. However I do nt believe they are entitled to it. Why is it ok to feel entitled for this content now that it is being offered to a new audience (PS3) but when the 360 gets exclusive DLC for many games and the other audience (PS3) doesn't then that is still okay. It seems quite unfair that people think it's okay to get exclusive stuff as long as they are the benefactors but complain about it when they are not. I have played Bioshock on the PC and plan on picking it up for the PS3. I read someone said it's not 2k's fault that Sony took so long with releasing the PS3 and devkits but the actuality of the situation was Microsoft paid to make the game a timed exclusive. There is no doubt the team probably had issues developing the PS3 version however as it was new hardware and most devs did. Now that Sony is getting their version with their content everyone feels like they've been "short-changed" but their hearts don't go out to the PS3 users who were "short-changed" when Microsoft bought timed exclusivity of the title or when they buy exclusive DLC for other games. 2k is just making their game available to a new audience and trying to give them the best experience possible. If you think you are being "short-changed" then couple of words for you, GTAIV, Fallout 3 then ask yourself if PS3 users are being short-changed. I'm sure you won't think so because of you'll find logic to justify it, but any justification therefore applies to Bioshock on the PS3 as well.

I quite agree. But I think that no one is entitled to it. But 2K was given the money to make it worth their time to give some extra lovin' to PS3 owners. It is sad that the fans who bought it back on its original platforms are not going to get to extend their adventure any longer, but it is nice that PS3 players are getting themselves a little present.

[Jodalmighty]

I'm just glad we aren't going to see a Soul Calibur 4 situation with exclusives on both consoles forcing you to purchase two copies if you want all of the content. That sort of blatant trickery is a total middle finger to the fans.

[RyanAndrews]

I'm just glad we aren't going to see a Soul Calibur 4 situation with exclusives on both consoles forcing you to purchase two copies if you want all of the content. That sort of blatant trickery is a total middle finger to the fans.

Yeah. I don't think this is true, but rumor has it that in a few months on 360 you will be able to get Vader through DLC, and on PS3 you will be able to get Yoda through the Playstation store.

I don't really believe that, but hey it is possible.

[kentuckyfried]

Honestly, I don't think the ps3 version's going to see nearly as much exclusive content as the fans would like (at least, I'm going to be reluctant in buying this second copy of Bioshock). Some extra modes that are not part of the regular storyline, no enhancements or reconstructions in the regular storyline....BoooOoooo.....


Exactly, at least some warning about content exclusivity was announced at a reasonably early time prior to their releases. It would be most unfair to suddenly announce additional content over a year after the original release. Many of us can't purchase a £300 console just for Bioshock all over again simply because we can't afford to, so it would be a sad day for a lot of the fans if 2K are to announce PS3 content exclusivity for the new release.

I hope it doesn't go this route at all, for the fans sake. If it does go that route, the least they could do is throw us a bone and give us a reasonable amount of additional content or extras to keep us happy.

[Frank Fountaine]

Some extra modes that are not part of the regular storyline, no enhancements or reconstructions in the regular storyline....BoooOoooo.....


You do realize that they haven't even announced all the extras right?

[WARRIC]

I hope they release more deatails soon i have it on xbox 360 and PC and want to get it on PS3 if its worth while, but at present its not i want more single player levels or something like that.

[Trenchman]

As I had posted in a another topic on this forum, it bothers me when they release new content for a single platform. The reason is because I, like many people, bought this game right when it came out and it is because of the people who originally bought it that it was successful and worth porting and adding to. I don't expect the content to be easy to transfer if it's from a different engine, I assume the models would still be usable but they would have to recode it, but if that's the case then I am, as are many people, willing to pay 5 dollars to get the content. I understand that PS3 owners had to wait but saying that they deserve extra content because of it doesn't have any more merit than me saying that we deserve any extra content they're already making because we helped to make the game a success. All I want is for the content to be available to all platforms.

I would also like to point out that PS3 owners had a choice of what platform they purchased. I realize that no one means it this way, but it just sort of sounds like, from the way people talk about it, that they had no choice in the matter. But in the end if they wanted the game sooner they could have bout a 360 and had it at release. I'm not saying they shouldn't get it or anything like that, just that it's not like they had no choice. I realize that consoles aren't cheap so maybe they couldn't, or didn't want to, buy another one, or they preferred the games that were available on PS3 and that's fine. I'm just saying that in the end it was their choice on which one to buy which directly affects what games are available to them and at what times.

I refuse to buy 360 games if there is any chance of a port to PS3 or at worst the PC (though to me chance at PS3 is still > a PC version, can't play the PC version on a 52 inch LCD with high end suround sound speakers!).

I also hate it when people say things like this. Because I have my PC hooked up to a 47 inch LCD with high end surround sound speakers. You see most tvs now have VGA inputs which can be used to hook a computer up to it and use the full capabilities of your TV, mine is at 1920x1080. Even if your TV doesn't have that a lot of Video cards now have the ability to use component or a DVI to HDMI connector. It's also very easy to hook a standard audio jack into a reciever and get full surround sound from your PC. My point being of course that it is entirely possible to hook a computer up to a tv.

I realize you didn't do this but I would also ask that people don't talk about how much cheaper a console is over a computer and say that I, as a PC user, am stuck in front of a tiny screen while you use a giant HD TV that you somehow forgot to include in your price calculations. I apologize for my ranting, good day.

[japester]

I, like many people, bought this game right when it came out and it is because of the people who originally bought it that it was successful and worth porting and adding to.

You have some fundamentally flawed logic in your statement up above.

Let me give you a more logical guess at what's going on (and this is only a guess since I'm not an employee of 2K). BioShock was finished over a year ago. No challenge rooms, no additional content planned. Finito. 2K starts working on BioShock 2.

Microsoft's exclusivity deal expires, and Sony wants a port. Since it will sell for full price (compared to the depreciated 360 and PC versions), Sony requires something extra to compensate its players. So at Sony's request, 2K goes back to work on BioShock PS3. In short, without Sony, the extra content wouldn't exist. And if Sony paid for it, then they can choose to keep it exclusive. It may not even be up to 2K.

Even if the content was an option for the other platforms, you can toss your $5 price out the window. How about $20-40 for the content? Where did I get those numbers? Easy--just compare the PS3 price ($60) to the 360 ($40) and PC ($20). The only fair comparison is one where you look at the current prices. The market has determined that your privilege of playing the game for a full year was worth about $20, hence the depreciation on the game. PS3 owners are still paying that extra $20, but they didn't get to play the game a year ago. As a trade off, they get a little extra content today.

I'll also point out that we, as fans, didn't really go out on a limb to "support" BioShock. We bought it because it got ridiculously good reviews. Period. Now, if they produce a whole bunch of merchandise, and pump out some mediocre sequels that get panned by the critics, and you still buy all that stuff, THEN you can talk about how you "supported" BioShock.

I'm a PC player, too. I don't own a PS3. So I won't see the new content, either. But I understand that wanting something and not being able to have it doesn't automatically equate to some sort of unfairness or uncharitable actions by 2K.

[BioSoldier]

You have some fundamentally flawed logic in your statement up above.

Let me give you a more logical guess at what's going on (and this is only a guess since I'm not an employee of 2K). BioShock was finished over a year ago. No challenge rooms, no additional content planned. Finito. 2K starts working on BioShock 2.

Microsoft's exclusivity deal expires, and Sony wants a port. Since it will sell for full price (compared to the depreciated 360 and PC versions), Sony requires something extra to compensate its players. So at Sony's request, 2K goes back to work on BioShock PS3. In short, without Sony, the extra content wouldn't exist. And if Sony paid for it, then they can choose to keep it exclusive. It may not even be up to 2K.

Even if the content was an option for the other platforms, you can toss your $5 price out the window. How about $20-40 for the content? Where did I get those numbers? Easy--just compare the PS3 price ($60) to the 360 ($40) and PC ($20). The only fair comparison is one where you look at the current prices. The market has determined that your privilege of playing the game for a full year was worth about $20, hence the depreciation on the game. PS3 owners are still paying that extra $20, but they didn't get to play the game a year ago. As a trade off, they get a little extra content today.

I'll also point out that we, as fans, didn't really go out on a limb to "support" BioShock. We bought it because it got ridiculously good reviews. Period. Now, if they produce a whole bunch of merchandise, and pump out some mediocre sequels that get panned by the critics, and you still buy all that stuff, THEN you can talk about how you "supported" BioShock.

I'm a PC player, too. I don't own a PS3. So I won't see the new content, either. But I understand that wanting something and not being able to have it doesn't automatically equate to some sort of unfairness or uncharitable actions by 2K.

Wow, nice job writing that up. You are totally right and I agree with everything you said.

Personally though, I don't see what all the fuss is about. I mean, sure, the Challenge Rooms sound great, but they don't actually add anything to the gameplay. They're just different rooms that require you to think and complete mini-objectives. Nothing major at all. All they do is add some replayability. Though, I am one to talk, because we haven't actually seen all the Challenge Rooms/how they are played out but I personally think they'll only add minor replayability.

Then we have Survivor Mode. Now I can see why people want this seeing as they thought BioShock was too easy, even on hard. Now I personally believe (and hope not to make anyone angry here..) that the only time PS3 users are going to play this is to go for the Platnium Trophies in BioShock PS3 (except for some forum users here, who would love a challenge in this like beating Survivor Mode using only a wrench, etc.). Again, a lot of people want this for the 360/PC but it's there for compensation for the PS3 owners who get BioShock a year late.

Personally I think it's fair that they get the extras.

[assassin_snyper]

I have no problem buying a second copy of this game for PS3. I bought 4 LE for 360 when it came out and sold 2 on ebay. I love the game. If the extra content was released on 360 you all know you would have to pay out the @ for it. :mad: I think I even read recently that the ferris wheel was in the original game but for whatever reason they didn't follow through on it. Just like Microsoft to push something too quickly. At least this time on the Ps3 we'll see everything that they had planned for it. I just wish they had another LE for PS3 something like a Big Daddy holding the hand of a little sister.

[japester]

I think I even read recently that the ferris wheel was in the original game but for whatever reason they didn't follow through on it. Just like Microsoft to push something too quickly. At least this time on the Ps3 we'll see everything that they had planned for it.

Again, seriously flawed logic here.

I'm sure they had a million ideas on the drawing board for BioShock. But if you read the various developer interviews and articles all over the web, you'll learn that they took a lot of things out because it was too cluttered and interfered with the story. Assuming that an idea was discarded simply to cut corners is pretty insulting.

The fact that the challenge rooms are completely disconnected from the rest of the game (accessible only via the main menu and not at all tied into the story) makes this even more likely. If these truly were meant as improvements to the game and were left out due to budget/time, why aren't they fully integrated into the main game?

[Frank Fountaine]

Well at first a zoo was planned for Arcadia, here's hoping the Rapture Zoo will become a Challange Room.....I have a gut feeling it will...//

[japester]

At first, the whole game was going to take place in a military bunker and involve aliens.... ;)

Just kidding. I understand where you're coming from.

I'll also admit that every game ever made has been limited, at least in part, by constraints of time and money. If 2k had unlimited amounts of both, I'm sure BioShock would have been different in some respects. But by and large, they produced the game they wanted. (Sort of, since Ken Levine admits in some articles that the story didn't go exactly the way he wanted. But it wasn't because they were rushing. It was a design choice.)

Since BioShock 2 will be a prequel, I'm betting these challenge room locations wouldn't have seen the light of day if the Sony deal hadn't happened. So I'm happy in that regard. Even catching videos of the content will be fun for me. :)

[Trenchman]

You have some fundamentally flawed logic in your statement up above.

wouldn't ya know it, I disagree.

In short, without Sony, the extra content wouldn't exist. And if Sony paid for it, then they can choose to keep it exclusive. It may not even be up to 2K.

In the end it is the game company's decision to add extra content and whether or not to make it exclusive. No matter how much Sony offered, they could have refused or tried to changed the terms. If Sony didn't like it then they don't get Bioshock. I realize that not many game companies turn down a lot of money for situations like this, but it wasn't exactly like Sony forced anyone.

Even if the content was an option for the other platforms, you can toss your $5 price out the window.

I was more or less saying that just to point out we would be willing to pay for it. I wasn't really an expected price.

I'll also point out that we, as fans, didn't really go out on a limb to "support" BioShock. We bought it because it got ridiculously good reviews. Period. Now, if they produce a whole bunch of merchandise, and pump out some mediocre sequels that get panned by the critics, and you still buy all that stuff, THEN you can talk about how you "supported" BioShock.

I never said any of us went out on a limb to support Bioshock, but it's undeniable that we did by buying the game. Also, it doesn't matter how good a game is or how good the reviews are, if no one buys it it's unsuccessful, ergo we supported it and made it successful by buying the game. If the game hadn't been such a big seller, Sony wouldn't have made any deals for it, because it wouldn't be worth it, of course if that were the cse there wouldn't be extra content for us to argue about.

I'm a PC player, too. I don't own a PS3. So I won't see the new content, either. But I understand that wanting something and not being able to have it doesn't automatically equate to some sort of unfairness or uncharitable actions by 2K.

I also understand that it isn't unfair of them to do this. When I first bout the game no additional content was promised so it stands to reason that I shouldn't expect any, I got what was promised to me. But I would be lying if I said that I didn't want the new content, but I don't think I deserve it or anything. I would just like for it to be available to everyone who has the game instead of a select group. It's not so much that I can't get it as it is the idea that it isn't available to everyone, if I owned a PS3 and hadn't bought it yet I would still be upset that it wasn't available to everyone.

[japester]

I'll stand by what I said. I don't think I need to repeat any of it.

I would just like for it to be available to everyone who has the game instead of a select group. It's not so much that I can't get it as it is the idea that it isn't available to everyone

I'll add, however, that this idea not favoring a "select group" is pretty much broken from the start because you are looking at the situation selectively. If we all truly are equal and deserve the same things, then the "select group" is 360/PC players for having exclusive access to the game for the last 14 months. If anything, 2K is sticking with the spirit of your argument even more than you yourself are because they are balancing out the preferential treatment given to the 360/PC crowd by giving something unique to the PS3 crowd. ;)

If 2K gave the content to everybody, that makes the 360/PC crowd once again the "select group" because they got both benefits (early access and challenge rooms) when the PS3 crowd only got one (challenge rooms). And that wouldn't be fair, right? :)

[ImNotThereYet]

I made an account just to reply to this topic.

First, let me say that I am a Sony 'fanboy' in that I sold my Xbox 360 Elite to get a PS3 for no particular reason, just wanted to try out the PS3 and ended up liking it more.

Second, let me also say that it is very, very funny that Xbox 360 users are complaining about exclusive content for the PS3, whether it be for this game or any other. Admit it, Microsoft is just a money machine and they've been doing OH so much to make sure that they get exclusive content for their system no matter the price. GTAIV is only one of the biggest titles to come to mind, with R* repeatedly saying that the PS3 will not got DLC. So many companies are selling out to Microsoft with timed exclusives, system jumps (Final Fantasy anyone?), and DLC content that will never see the light of day on the PS3.

Why complain? It, to me, seems like a pretty good trade off, for the moment. You honestly think the Box isn't going to get 'our 'exclusive'' content? Yeah right. I remember the old adage, "Speak softly, but carry lots of money in your pocket." Fits perfectly well with this situation.

[Trenchman]

then the "select group" is 360/PC players for having exclusive access to the game for the last 14 months. If anything, 2K is sticking with the spirit of your argument even more than you yourself are because they are balancing out the preferential treatment given to the 360/PC crowd by giving something unique to the PS3 crowd. ;)

If 2K gave the content to everybody, that makes the 360/PC crowd once again the "select group" because they got both benefits (early access and challenge rooms) when the PS3 crowd only got one (challenge rooms). And that wouldn't be fair, right? :)

I understand what your saying but I still disagree. The problem is that this game was not announced for the PS3 until recently and as far as any of us know it was never planned. It's not as if the game was announced for both platforms and then PS3 owners had to wait longer, they just weren't going get it. Which means that no one was sitting around waiting for this, so it's not like they added content to make the wait easier to handle. Which means that the 360/PC wasn't given preferential treatment and given the game earlier since there were no plans to release it otherwise.

I personally believe that in a situation like this, where no one expected the game to come out PS3, the wait isn't relevant since people didn't know it was eventually coming out on PS3. Also, as I mentioned in my earlier post, I don't believe, in this situation, that the argument of them having to wait has any more merit than my argument of us making them successful, thus I believe they are in no way keeping things fair by giving one group free content.

They only way extra content could be given for a later release is if it was announced at the same time but the release date was much much later, unless caused by uncontrollable circumstance. But, even in that situation the content should still be made available to all platforms at some point. It doesn't matter to me if they made people wait a year before they could get the extra content, but it should be available to all platforms.

[THEKILLER1987]

if they make it for 360/pc i think its a good idea BUT mabey 3 months after the ps3 release i mean its not fair for ps3 because its one year late other then that no there should not.

[japester]

I personally believe that in a situation like this, where no one expected the game to come out PS3, the wait isn't relevant since people didn't know it was eventually coming out on PS3.

So if you know something is exclusive somewhere else, it won't bother you at all not having it?

I'm glad to hear you say that. Now you can stop feeling bad about the exclusive PS3 content. You're not going to get it, so by your logic it shouldn't matter. Because we are all ultimately logical, understanding beings who never fret about what we cannot have. And if PS3 owners were able to ignore BioShock's exclusivity then you can surely ignore the challenge rooms exclusivity.

I'm glad we had this talk. :)

[Neiteio]

EDIT: Gah, posted in wrong thread. Carry on, gentlemen.

[Trenchman]

So if you know something is exclusive somewhere else, it won't bother you at all not having it?


I never said it didn't or shouldn't bother PS3 owners just that they weren't waiting for it. Waiting and wanting are two different things.

I'm glad to hear you say that. Now you can stop feeling bad about the exclusive PS3 content. You're not going to get it, so by your logic it shouldn't matter.

Never said it didn't or shouldn't matter to PS3 owners just that it wasn't announced, so them wanting it doesn't automatically mean that extra content was deserved.

Because we are all ultimately logical, understanding beings who never fret about what we cannot have.

No were not and yes we do.

And if PS3 owners were able to ignore BioShock's exclusivity then you can surely ignore the challenge rooms exclusivity.

Never said they should or did ignore it. If I could ignore it I wouldn't be here.

I'm glad we had this talk. :)

I think were just going to have to agree to disagree.

[Digital Holocaust]

LOL, I only just remembered this thread like months and month after I made it. I know what the new content is now and I'm not bothered about it. I was worried they were gonna add extra content to the storyline, ect. But all it basically contains is all the content that was cut from the final game... haha.

This thread isn't needed anymore now. :D