Is Iran in the game?

[DennisN]

Is persia in the game?

ive checked you site and it seems like they are not in :o how can this be possible.

ONE OF THE GREATEST CIVILIZATIONS ARE NOT IN THE GAME.

you guys just crushed my heart :( ive loved all civilization games cause of the persians and now you just take them away.

[Bulldog_PS3]

Is persia in the game?

ive checked you site and it seems like they are not in :o how can this be possible.

ONE OF THE GREATEST CIVILIZATIONS ARE NOT IN THE GAME.

you guys just crushed my heart :( ive loved all civilization games cause of the persians and now you just take them away.


There is the Arabs led by Saladin. That's pretty much the same thing.

[DennisN]

There is the Arabs led by Saladin. That's pretty much the same thing.

Thats not EVEN CLOSE TO THE SAME THING.

I WILL NEVER PLAY AS THE ARABS.

We persians are a proud people and we are nothing as the arabs.

[Jason2K]

Is persia in the game?

ive checked you site and it seems like they are not in :o how can this be possible.

ONE OF THE GREATEST CIVILIZATIONS ARE NOT IN THE GAME.

you guys just crushed my heart :( ive loved all civilization games cause of the persians and now you just take them away.

Sadly, no.

We only have 16 civs...there are lots of ones that had to be left out. That's the way it is with every Civ title.

[pmw1718]

There's always the hope that DLC will have additional Civs

[dennis580]

What do you mean you only have 16 Civs. Heck it doesn't matter if you only have 8 civs- Persia is still a no brainer.

Historically Persia is one of the all time great Civs. I don't understand how you can even consider leaving Persia out especially with 16 Civs you shouldn't even have consider leaving them out.

[Joneleth]

Over the course of human history there have been many, many different civilizations, each with their only triumphs and accomplishments. Choosing just 16 of those must have been a very tough thing to do.

[Jason2K]

Over the course of human history there have been many, many different civilizations, each with their only triumphs and accomplishments. Choosing just 16 of those must have been a very tough thing to do.

It was, and it wasn't my call. It was all up to Sid.

[hero33]

is there a list of avail civs for civ rev someone can link me to?

(god im lazy, aren't i?)

[Joneleth]

http://www.civilizationrevolution.com/ (http://www.civilizationrevolution.com)

Press the "Civilizations" button and you can see them all.

[Sigmakan]

Well Sid is a fool to leave Persia out.

Persia deserves to be in there more than America does.

[BioShockWins]

It is weird that they have Mao Tse Dong spelled the way they do.
I've always had to spell it Mao Zedong in schools.

[Thrallia]

his name is Mao Tse Dong...it just get destroyed in public schools though, because the teachers can't be bothered teaching the students why 'Tse' sounds like 'Ze'

[DennisN]

The thing that pisses me off is that persia is one of the first civilisations. but still we have the likes of egypt, greece and rome but not persia. It was always persia, greece and egypt. well im not saying that persia should be in the game just cause im persian but when you delete the civilisations that was the link between asia and europe your just destroying the game.

Well ive made my choice now i wont buy this game.

just have to wait for Civ 5 cause i dont think you guys will make this misstake again. BUT COMON arabia over us? thats just hmm i dont know what to say

[Joneleth]

The thing that pisses me off is that persia is one of the first civilisations. but still we have the likes of egypt, greece and rome but not persia. It was always persia, greece and egypt. well im not saying that persia should be in the game just cause im persian but when you delete the civilisations that was the link between asia and europe your just destroying the game.

Well ive made my choice now i wont buy this game.

just have to wait for Civ 5 cause i dont think you guys will make this misstake again. BUT COMON arabia over us? thats just hmm i dont know what to say

Doesn't that seem a bit extreme? Regardless of which civilizations are included in the game, it will still be fun to play.

[Bulldog_PS3]

The thing that pisses me off is that persia is one of the first civilisations. but still we have the likes of egypt, greece and rome but not persia. It was always persia, greece and egypt. well im not saying that persia should be in the game just cause im persian but when you delete the civilisations that was the link between asia and europe your just destroying the game.

Well ive made my choice now i wont buy this game.

just have to wait for Civ 5 cause i dont think you guys will make this misstake again. BUT COMON arabia over us? thats just hmm i dont know what to say


No, Persians weren't one of the first civilizations. They were spawned from the earliest civilizations for sure, but not among the first. Egypt pre dates the Persians.

[Lenny]

The thing that pisses me off is that persia is one of the first civilisations. but still we have the likes of egypt, greece and rome but not persia. It was always persia, greece and egypt. well im not saying that persia should be in the game just cause im persian but when you delete the civilisations that was the link between asia and europe your just destroying the game.

Well ive made my choice now i wont buy this game.

just have to wait for Civ 5 cause i dont think you guys will make this misstake again. BUT COMON arabia over us? thats just hmm i dont know what to say

I don't think it destroys the game at all. If England were not in the game, I would still buy it, because civilization is such a great game!

[hero33]

still no soviet union :(


yay but russia!

[icejon]

The thing that pisses me off is that persia is one of the first civilisations. to say

I think Vikings where before them started in 600AD and ruled Norway,Iceland,Denmark,sweden,
greenland, part of england and scotland and ireland and found newfoundland in canada some sais they found america before kolumbus but havent been proofed yet.

But these 16 civs where chosen and i still am happy with them and will be buying the game.

and what dose name have to be so much problem would it be the same if you would change england into persia still have the same bonus and troops.

[Boogiums]

It is strange that Babylonia was missing. I suppose the developers though that cultures throughout the world would want to play there own culture and thus get the game to sell more to them. But leaving out a specific culture I don't think was meant as a slight to the Persian people, just that is how it ended up.

I would not find it crazy that there maybe different cultures offered in later from DLC.

Even if there is no Persia or Iran I don't think that should be a reason for not getting the game. I'd play Persia or Babylonia if it was offered. Heck I'm planning on playing all the cultures in the game.

[DennisN]

To the guy that said the vikings are older then the persian empire your wrong. like off with 2000 years.

Btw the persians were of the first civilsations but they werent an empire untill like 1000 BC:


But there are historical Scripts, items, and much more that date back to 9000 BC in Iran. So we had one of the firrst civilsations then after a long time we rised up and became the Persian Empire

[Thrallia]

To the guy that said the vikings are older then the persian empire your wrong. like off with 2000 years.

Btw the persians were of the first civilsations but they werent an empire untill like 1000 BC:


But there are historical Scripts, items, and much more that date back to 9000 BC in Iran. So we had one of the firrst civilsations then after a long time we rised up and became the Persian Empire

hm...you do realize there were empires/civilizations in the Middle East before Persia...yes? Or have you forgotten the Sumerians, Babylonians, Akkadians, Phoenicians, Elamites, Hittites, and the Assyrians?

Persia was not a unified empire until the mid 600s BC, and lasted about 300 years before they were conquered by Alexander the Great.

Sure, they were an early civ, and they are an important historical civilization....but they lasted 300 years before getting conquered, and many people don't recognize who they are, or where they were...thus, they are relegated to possibly DLC.

I agree they should be in it...but then, I agree that about 40 different civs should be in it, and when paring that list down to 16, I'm not sure Persia makes my cut either...if they'd lasted a couple hundred years longer then perhaps.

[dennis580]

At the time Persia was the most powerful empire ever created, and certainly lasted longer then Alexander's Empire. Also almost everybody who would be interested in buying this type of game would know about Persia.

[Thrallia]

do you have two different accounts here?

and as I said, I agree that they are an important civilization, but there's a lot of them, and only 16 could make it...persia didn't make it into civ1 or civ2 either, you know.

[redhero]

I'd like to play as Persia but I won't lose sleep over it.

Can you edit civilizations? Many times I have changed names and such to play as the Indonesians, Armenians, Serbs etc. on the PC

[Stanos]

Never really played persia, and I don't really care if they're left out. I mean, there are many other good civilizations to choose from. I personally think you're making a huge mistake not buying this game just because Persia isn't going to be in it. Just because one certain civilization isn't going to be playable doesn't mean the game isn't going to be loads of fun

[kenjara]

Its a shame Persia are out because they were my favorite race in civ 4 before the dutch came along. I can see why it is frustrating that the persians are missed out because although England (where I am from) are in the game It has always annoyed me that the leaders are always woman. So I would find it even more annoying that my country were not present at all. Where did Winston go :(
Coming to think about it not wanting to be eithe rod the english queens is what made me choose the persians in the first place.

[Antwerpo]

Persia not in? Who cares?! Again the biggest CIV of all time has been neglected. No Belgians in CIV. Again! :mad:

[Boogiums]

No short lived Confederacy either.........Dawg on it!

[Magwill]

The viking time is usually referred to as 790-1100 AD. It is not an early civilization. However I feel that they were different from other civilizations since they engaged in such a span of trading throughout Europe. Would be a really good civ for trading. But that is about it. They didn't have much of an epic age where they showed anything else so I guess its hard to make it unique for the game since you need more things than that.

[Redwarrior005]

I could name 5 civs that should have been in. Soviet Russia or Russian Leader Stalin or Lenin, Ottoman Empire, Persian Empire, Vikings, and Sumerians.

[Thrallia]

The viking time is usually referred to as 790-1100 AD. It is not an early civilization. However I feel that they were different from other civilizations since they engaged in such a span of trading throughout Europe. Would be a really good civ for trading. But that is about it. They didn't have much of an epic age where they showed anything else so I guess its hard to make it unique for the game since you need more things than that.

The Vikings also were great explorers...they were the first Europeans to discover and settle North America(of course, their settlements were destroyed by the native americans and no one knew they had done so until the last hundred years or so)

I could name 5 civs that should have been in. Soviet Russia or Russian Leader Stalin or Lenin, Ottoman Empire, Persian Empire, Vikings, and Sumerians.

I can agree with Persians, Vikings, Sumerians, and Ottomans being worthy additions, but there's absolutely no reason for the Soviet Union to ever be in a Civilization game(other than the fact that it is exactly the same country as Russia), and that is because it lasted precisely 74 years and had no worthwhile contributions to anything in the world other than how long WWI and WWII took, and how many nukes are currently in existence.

[Magwill]

Yes although I kinda included exploration with the trading :) However you are not entirely correct about the end of the vikings in North America. Basically it went good at a start between the vikings and the indians, but then there started to be problems as they couldn't get along. Its true that some settlements were destroyed by the indians, but the vikings there were not annihilated. Rather, they grew tired of the unrest and moved back to Greenland.

One funny story about why the indians got pissed off is that the vikings treated them with fresh milk (not the processed one :) ) and they didn't have the bacteria in their stomachs to take care of the milk so they all got stomach sick. The nordic name for indians that the vikings gave them translated to "yellers".

But the thing is, there are already civs in the game that have exploration and trading, so maybe its because they can't have them both. But vikings should be very popular for many, because they don't know the true story and think they walk with polar bears on the streets.

[icejon]

Well i know it im Icelandic. Vikings weren't an empire they where aggressive and it was more like many tribes like my country splitted up to 8 tribes.

[Magwill]

Well i know it im Icelandic. Vikings weren't an empire they where aggressive and it was more like many tribes like my country splitted up to 8 tribes.

The vikings on Iceland were only vikings that moved there from the region today known as Norway. They had their own business while the vikings of Scandinavia were doing their stuff. Swedish vikings were for example going east to finland, russia and south through eastern europe while norwegians and danish went west.

[TasseToe]

And what about Quebec.. we should have a civ with René Levesque... This is the most cool civilization.. :p

Have fun... and don't make life essentially political, but philosophical!

When this vesion will be available for PC (and vista...)? I only see PS3, Wii..

[Antwerpo]

When this vesion will be available for PC (and vista...)? I only see PS3, Wii..
It will only be available for the consoles.

[Thrallia]

it is only available for the 360, PS3, and DS....and the only possible further release for it might be the Wii....it will never touch the PC.

[KillianDarkwater]

doesn't take a genius to understand why the Persians were left out.
Laughable if you ask me.

[Soulja557]

I dont see why the Assyrians/Babylonians were left out :(

They made alot of contributions to mankind and at least deserved a spot in the game ohh well.

[KillianDarkwater]

According to this American Harvard professor Iran was the greatest civilization in the world along with China.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WUFwYLLuF1k

shame to see todays political situations rewrite history.

[dennis580]

You mean Persia not Iran. Lets not try to make this political by bringing Iran into this. That would be like having Italy instead of Rome which would be rediculous.

[KillianDarkwater]

yes Persia Land of the Aryans = Iran.

[Thrallia]

@dennis580: The professor says Iran, not Persia...and that's because there were multiple iranian based empires, but only one persian empire...and that one lasted 300-400 years, leaving little to no impact after its fall thanks to the greeks and muslims eradicating all traces of its culture.

[KillianDarkwater]

lasted a lot longer than 3-4 hundred years try 3000years. and no impact? King Cyrus saved the Jews from the Babylonians and created the first democratic empire where everyone was free to believe in whatever they wanted the scroll that entitles this is in the white house. And when every American president becomes president he has to read the history of Cyrus the Great.
And the professor is talking of Persia when he says Iran which is a synonym for Persia.

[civnut850]

This is my 1st post and as my name suggests I love civ. I don't normally post on bigger forums like this but this conversation has just sparked my interest. If say Cyrus or Xerxes and the Persians were included, which group would you really take out? To not buy a game over something so minuscule is mind boggling. If you were to ask me there is no civ that you could take out; Americans need to be represented as do at least one South American society. The Africans needed to be shown as well, considering the achievements of places like Mali and Mansa Musa or the Zulus. The European civs have all had massive impacts on the world. Genghis and Alexander both led massive empires and Russia is such a massive piece of land that it is necessary to include at least one great leader from that region. If you were to ask me, I would say that Saladin is not quite Persian at all, but I can't see how Persia has had more of an impact on the world than any of the other civs being included in the game. If you asked me, I am disappointed that there isn't really a civ where you play as a pope, considering that Papal states during the Middle Ages through the end of the Renaissance were vital and the pope has historically has had as much of an effect on the world as anyone. Just because this isn't present doesn't mean I won't buy the game.

To say that today's political story has any effect is really unfair to the creators of Civ, specifically Sid who based on Civ IV (pretty recent, btw) shows no biases in who he chooses to be in these games. There were only sixteen civs so there would be a nice balance, as has been said. There are going to be some unpopular decisions made in which civ to include as well as some that everyone agrees with. Basically unless there is a game with two hundred civs it is impossible to please all the people all the time.

Like I said before, it is irrational to base your not buying a game completely on the lack of one civ which may or may not have been the incredible civ you make it out to be. Also, to base your arguments on one man's opinions is not very smart, because scholars tend to be different to one another on purpose, as well as people. If I had to say which civ was the greatest, I would say either the Chinese or Genghis Khan's Mongolians. Clearly, a differing opinion from both you and the professor.

[Quezcotl]

They are not only looking for a great empire,but a great empire with a leader that is well known to most of the ppl playing the game.

[civnut850]

They are not only looking for a great empire,but a great empire with a leader that is well known to most of the ppl playing the game.

I know that, and Persia was one of my favorite civs to play with as well. I just can't see how someone is going to refuse to buy a game because they can't play as a representation of a Persian empire, and I also can't see how someone is willing to openly criticize the staff working on this game by saying that today's events in politics have such an effect on whether or not they are in the game. Even if that was the reason, theoretically speaking, how would anyone know?

[Angus Mac Barca]

Curious, i very rarely played Persia, but i often played Rome because the cultural feeling...

[Leexmay]

Curious, i very rarely played Persia, but i often played Rome because the cultural feeling...

me too i almost nerver -played as persia and more like rome

[IceCube]

wow
this is really bad not to list persia in top 16 civs.
i love ancient times and ancient scenario and persia use to rule ancient times same as rome they were both superpowers. so with only rome there will be nobody to stop them now. its same if you have choice to put USA but not CCCP. that was bad decision sid !
anyway arabs kick a$$ to both of them rome and persia . is just too many european civs take out spain or germany they both weak .it should be 3 civs from each continent or regions .

[FadingBeano]

I don't see how you can remove Spain or Germany. I don't see how you can remove any of the civs. Well... actually, I can see the removal of USA. The United States is just not a Civilization, when compared to the other 15.

I think a civilization should at least exist for 3 out of the 4 eras in the game to be in it. But I understand why USA is in.

It's a tough call with Persia. It ran right along side there with Egypt. I wonder what were the reasoning behind leaving Persia out. I guess one just had to be cut and Persia was the weakest link?

Germans have been around forever and you just cannot exclude Spain.

[IceCube]

well germany was barbarian tribe when persia use to rule side by side with rome . and dont forget persia menage to beat rome . i like germany but im just saying how persia is important as civ . and ppl of persia use to worship fire until arabs conqur them :)

[Magwill]

And what bonuses would all of you persia lovers want to have? How would you include them and make their play style unique? Only when these questions are answered can you complain that they are not in the game.

[Qpla]

well germany was barbarian tribe when persia use to rule side by side with rome . and dont forget persia menage to beat rome . i like germany but im just saying how persia is important as civ . and ppl of persia use to worship fire until arabs conqur them :)

That is definitely not true, Persia didn't beat Rome and they were actually conquered by the Romans.

And btw, the barbarians are pretty much the same thing than the Vikings, especially the leader called Gray Wolf.

its same if you have choice to put USA but not CCCP. that was bad decision sid !
As it has been said before, the Soviet Union lasted so little amount of time, so it really can't be in the game and there is already Russia... However, you can turn Russia into Soviet Union by adopting communism :D

[Edmund0Dantes]

The Germans beat the romans :D

[Magwill]

That is definitely not true, Persia didn't beat Rome and they were actually conquered by the Romans.

And btw, the barbarians are pretty much the same thing than the Vikings, especially the leader called Gray Wolf.


As it has been said before, the Soviet Union lasted so little amount of time, so it really can't be in the game and there is already Russia... However, you can turn Russia into Soviet Union by adopting communism :D

Sigh. Vikings were NOT barbarians. Get a history book.

[icejon]

There it go again. vikings where not a barbarian you shouldnt say something that you dont know (i know becouse my country was ruled by vikings and its is1 of the most that is teach in history class)

[Qpla]

Well they still were a very aggressive nation. And I said it's PRETTY much the same thing, not exactly the same thing.

[Magwill]

Well they still were a very aggressive nation. And I said it's PRETTY much the same thing, not exactly the same thing.

They were mostly traders. You can't put all vikings under the same description. First of all it wasnt one viking nation. There were localized groups of people who had their villages. They all had different ways of living their lives.

[icejon]

the biggest and most known was the norways viking they found Iceland, Greenland, newfoundland (some say america) but there living style wasnt the same. and more the 1 who found Greenland was banned from Iceland becouse of something i dont remember and went to new land and found greenland

[IceCube]

well persia did beat rome (byzantine) in the lowest place on earth near red sea, so did the germans i think germans killed 7 -9 legions.
what is rome for you anyway ?
europe is rome accept it or not rome never lost its power the countries they ruled formed laws and life style civics roads science from rome.still "holy place " or vatican is in rome you ever asked yourself why in vatican and not jerusalem (birth place of jesus) ?
cause rome had to make sure to keep the power by accepting new faith from midle east and abandoning paganism :)
about vikings im not sure cause dont know much about their ancient history.
but what makes civilization to be called civilization ?
culture , science , laws and order, form of goverment ?
in europe only rome and greece was civilizations others were barbarians.
spain germany england = barbarians 2000 years ago
USA = colony of europe
they are all in the game and persian "civilization" not :)
anyway i just cant wait for game to came out with persia or not :)

[Magwill]

From wikipedia:

"A civilization or civilisation is human society or culture group normally defined as a complex society characterized by the practice of agriculture and settlement in cities.

Compared with less complex cultures, members of a civilization are organized into a diverse division of labour and an intricate social hierarchy."

In other words, we have no civilizations until we come up with agriculture ;)

[Qpla]

still "holy place " or vatican is in rome you ever asked yourself why in vatican and not jerusalem (birth place of jesus) ?

Ehm.. Jesus was born in Bethlehem...

[The Gamer Man 2]

There is the Arabs led by Saladin. That's pretty much the same thing.

you can't say that Arab's and Persian's are the same thing lol, you won't be very popular lol.

i was gutted cus i didn't think that the British were in it but now i hav been told that they are so YAY lol.:D

[The Gamer Man 2]

but what makes civilization to be called civilization ?
culture , science , laws and order, form of goverment ?


well maybe because calling a game 'Goverment' don't sound to catchy you know.
but civilization like britain deserve to be in this sort of game we once had ( and not to long ago) had the largest civilization the world has ever seen, even bigger than rome and greece ect.... so we deserve to be in.

But i can't understand as you say how people like America can get there before Persia. The Americans don't even have a history!! lol :D

[Magwill]

well maybe because calling a game 'Goverment' don't sound to catchy you know.
but civilization like britain deserve to be in this sort of game we once had ( and not to long ago) had the largest civilization the world has ever seen, even bigger than rome and greece ect.... so we deserve to be in.

But i can't understand as you say how people like America can get there before Persia. The Americans don't even have a history!! lol :D

Rebelling against the rulers and creating their constitution, founding a new nation is quite a lot of history to name one thing.

[FadingBeano]

Rebelling against the rulers and creating their constitution, founding a new nation is quite a lot of history to name one thing.

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic when he said they have no history. As I think he was comparing to Persia. And when compared to the timeline of Persia then yes, it would appear, on a line graph say, that USA has no history.

And of course 225 or so years is enough for any history book but if you look at the duration of all the civilizations in CivRev with respect to how long they have existed. USA stands out strong as the one that does not belong.

But that is only looking at the age of a Civilization. When you look at other factors other than age, then there is a strong argument for having USA in.

[Magwill]

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic when he said they have no history. As I think he was comparing to Persia. And when compared to the timeline of Persia then yes, it would appear, on a line graph say, that USA has no history.

And of course 225 or so years is enough for any history book but if you look at the duration of all the civilizations in CivRev with respect to how long they have existed. USA stands out strong as the one that does not belong.

But that is only looking at the age of a Civilization. When you look at other factors other than age, then there is a strong argument for having USA in.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't :)

If we just went for how old each civilization is, we wouldn't have many interesting ones at all.

[Thrallia]

well persia did beat rome (byzantine) in the lowest place on earth near red sea, so did the germans i think germans killed 7 -9 legions.
what is rome for you anyway ?
europe is rome accept it or not rome never lost its power the countries they ruled formed laws and life style civics roads science from rome.still "holy place " or vatican is in rome you ever asked yourself why in vatican and not jerusalem (birth place of jesus) ?
cause rome had to make sure to keep the power by accepting new faith from midle east and abandoning paganism :)
about vikings im not sure cause dont know much about their ancient history.
but what makes civilization to be called civilization ?
culture , science , laws and order, form of goverment ?
in europe only rome and greece was civilizations others were barbarians.
spain germany england = barbarians 2000 years ago
USA = colony of europe
they are all in the game and persian "civilization" not :)
anyway i just cant wait for game to came out with persia or not :)

Persia didn't beat the Byzantine Empire(it wasn't Roman anymore by the time it was beaten anyway), the Ottomans did.

Persia was conquered by the Greeks...and NEVER existed again! Other empires rose in the areas they formerly controlled, but they were not Persian. The Romans didn't conquer the Persians, they conquered the Greeks(who still held the land formerly controlled by Persia)

Rome was conquered by the German 'barbarians,' and never existed again. Different civilizations grew up in the aftermath of the fall of the Roman Empire(England, France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Romania, all the rest of the European countries, Byzantium). Thus, Rome was never beaten by Persia, because once an empire falls...IT NO LONGER EXISTS!

And Rome most certainly fell....sure, some of the ruins of Rome helped to form the civilizations that came after them, but Europe didn't reach the same technological level as Rome for nearly a millenium after the fall of Rome(and didn't rediscover concrete until the mid-1800s!)

*sigh* as far as the vatican goes...Jerusalem was destroyed by Rome in 70AD, and rebuilt as an entirely Roman city a century later. When Christianity became the official religion of Rome, obviously it was centered in Rome(the area where it was centered became known as the Vatican). Christianity places no emphasis whatsoever on so-called 'holy sites' so it doesn't really matter where the center of the religion is.

Spain, England, Germany 2000 years ago=part of the Roman Empire, not barbarians...

finally, if length of time matters at all, the USA is the shortest lived of the countries in the game(culturally, at least), but it has the oldest still functioning government(no European civ has the same government right now that it had 230 years ago, and France has gone through more than 10 different governments!)....besides...the USA has lasted almost as long as Persia did(230 to ~300), and has had a much greater impact on the world than Persia did.

[FadingBeano]

Persia was conquered by the Greeks...and NEVER existed again!

Thats odd. early 1900 world maps seem to have Persia. You should correct them.

Now I don't know when Persia officially ended. (1935?) But check a map of the world in say 1914. Persia is there.

There may have been tons of dynasties rise and fall in Persia but if the country is called Persia then I'd have to say the people are Persian.

[Thrallia]

Persia was conquered by Alexander the Great in 333BC, and never rose again as an empire. That region of the world was still called Persia long after the actual empire fell(just as Germany was called Germany even when it was actually the Prussian and Austrian empires)

[FadingBeano]

Ah ok, I apologize for not understanding. But in my world if someone lived in Persia in 1900, I would call them Persian. And therefore Persians existed afterwards. I took your previous statement too literally.

I'm a little confused between distinguishing between the Persian empire and Persia as a country. To me they are both Persia. And just because the Persian Empire falls does that mean the Persian civilization ceased to exist? I think that question is more to the point.

[Thrallia]

well, the Greeks, Romans, and Muslims all extensively attempted to remove any trace of persian culture/society. I don't think they succeeded completely, but the fact that the majority of that portion of the world is considered arab rather than persian speaks a great deal toward their efforts.

And Persia the country didn't exist after being conquered by Greece either. Greece ruled Persia from 333-~140s BC when Greece was conquered by Rome. Persia was then ruled by Rome from then until the beginning of the fall of the Byzantine Empire(formerly the Eastern Roman Empire). With the rise of Islam, the Byzantine Empire lost its hold on Persia, and various arab/muslim countries and empires held it over the next 600 years, most notably the Ottomans, who ruled it from the fall of the Byzantine Empire in the mid 1400s until the 1800s. Now it is split into various countries, none of which are called Persia. So to answer your question....Persia as an empire or country has not existed since 333BC. Persia as a geographical area existed until the formation of the modern day countries that we have there now(and then geographical areas became known by the country that currently made it up).

[IceCube]

lol
wrong wrong wrong you are so wrong about persia.
check you tube history of persia or parthian empire.
first battle btw persia and rome was victory for persia.
7 legions 40 000 soldiers they got 30 000 dead 500 returned to rome and rest taken as slaves .
europe is much more new world compared to midle east or africa.
after ice age europe was still covered in ice to form civlization there or work the land was impossible. how old was rome 700 BC formed?
well persia is thousands years older then that. arabs persians babylonians chinese egyptians ......

[Krikkitone]

well, the Greeks, Romans, and Muslims all extensively attempted to remove any trace of persian culture/society. I don't think they succeeded completely, but the fact that the majority of that portion of the world is considered arab rather than persian speaks a great deal toward their efforts.

And Persia the country didn't exist after being conquered by Greece either. Greece ruled Persia from 333-~140s BC when Greece was conquered by Rome. Persia was then ruled by Rome from then until the beginning of the fall of the Byzantine Empire(formerly the Eastern Roman Empire). With the rise of Islam, the Byzantine Empire lost its hold on Persia, and various arab/muslim countries and empires held it over the next 600 years, most notably the Ottomans, who ruled it from the fall of the Byzantine Empire in the mid 1400s until the 1800s. Now it is split into various countries, none of which are called Persia. So to answer your question....Persia as an empire or country has not existed since 333BC. Persia as a geographical area existed until the formation of the modern day countries that we have there now(and then geographical areas became known by the country that currently made it up).

Well one correct fact isn't bad
Greece conquered persia...
good.... although even that is inaccurate
Greece didn't conquer Persia, Alexander the great did, and the instant he dies that 'greek empire' broke up
Rome Conquered a few parts of it, Greece, Egypt
but Rome and Persia(under slightly different names, as different parts rose to power) fought on and off inconclusively for the non Mediterranean part of Middle East for a long time
The Arabs were the next to Conquer Persia, but again that broke down as individual states broke off (although a Very strong arab influence was left in terms of language and religion) the Mongols also came in with the same issue.
(after that point it did cease being a major power..partially since thereach of true major powers began expanding world wide or total domination of their region)
Toward modern times,the Turks, Russians, and English all jockeyed for power there, but none was entirely conclusive.

Eventually, Persia underwent a name/regime change to become Iran.

It is definitely a worthwhile civilization to put in... but they also left out the babylonians/assyrians one of the first civilizations, so I think it and Persia were put out of the way for Geographical balance (to put more Away from the western portion of the Eurasian area that had 9 of the 16 already [counting egypt])

[FadingBeano]

well persia is thousands years older then that. arabs persians babylonians chinese egyptians ......

Oh I'm sorry, the correct answer is Mesopotamia, Chinese, Egyptians. If you are going back that far, there were not many peoples you could classify as a Civilization. And Persia is not one of them.

753 BC rome is formed and the first known record of Persians (Parsu) is 844BC. Not that much older.

pwned.

Oh yeah. P.S Thrallia
I was inspired by your replies to look into Persian history some more. So I did a bunch of reading. I have encountered articles talking about the Persian Empire in the 1700s through the 1900s. These articles say that the Persian Empire still existed much later.

But that is whats so great about History, everythings grey and up for debate!

[Quezcotl]

They choosed civilizations that are a "must" and which a majority of gamers comes from.

[Boogiums]

Eventually, Persia underwent a name/regime change to become Iran.

[counting egypt])

Persia included modern day Iraq and parts of modern day Pakistan.


As great as that Empire was, it fell like so many other great Empires. Ain't history cool!

[Schuesseled]

who really cares how old persia/iran is, age doesn't mean squat.

[The Gamer Man 2]

Let's be fair, age does mean something, if your civilization - for example - managed to last for thousand's of years then that is quite an achievement.

why do children go to school lol, they should just come on here and learn all they ned to know about history lol :D , wot is it next week Geography lmao!!

Back to the game though i can't see why they couldn't put anymore than 16 civ's into the game - maybe Jason or Elizabeth could tell us - but there are only ever 5 civ's in any game at any 1 time (including you) so why can't there be like 30 civs (for example) to choose from, and then you choose one and then the computer chooses 4? it would give players a wider choice and would increase your chances of playing somebody different every time you go on??? there is probably a technical reason like the console couldn't handle it ect........

But still can't wait to get it!!

[Altashheth]

lasted a lot longer than 3-4 hundred years try 3000years. and no impact? King Cyrus saved the Jews from the Babylonians and created the first democratic empire where everyone was free to believe in whatever they wanted the scroll that entitles this is in the white house. And when every American president becomes president he has to read the history of Cyrus the Great.
And the professor is talking of Persia when he says Iran which is a synonym for Persia.

Anyone else find it interesting that a KING created a democratic empire....:p

[Magwill]

Anyone else find it interesting that a KING created a democratic empire....:p

I get your point but you can have a democratic system with a king. Look at us in Sweden. We have a king but he has no power.

[The Gamer Man 2]

I get your point but you can have a democratic system with a king. Look at us in Sweden. We have a king but he has no power.

Same for us in England.
We have a Queen but she has no power ( apart from VITO which i don't think she has ever used), but we are still democratic

[Altashheth]

I suspect that a truly democratic nation is a lot harder to find than any of us (including me) suspects.

[Magwill]

Its near to impossible to maintain a truly democratic nation where everyone votes in all matters. But we are doing what works :)

[Krikkitone]

Anyone else find it interesting that a KING created a democratic empire....:p

Democracy =/= Freedom of Belief (see Athens)

He may have created a Free/Classially Liberal government, but it was not Democratic

[Thrallia]

I'm done arguing with you guys...obviously you think you learned something in school, but you are wrong....try doing some research now when arguing about it.

I thought maybe I was mistaken since a few people started arguing with me, so I researched the history of the area where Persia was, and I was right in most aspects...Persia did indeed start in the 800s BC, not the 500s, but it was nowhere near as big as it eventually became(it wasn't until the 500s BC that they conquered Babylon, which held most of modern day Iraq and Iran) That's about the only thing I was wrong on though.

Those of you claiming Persia lasted for over 3000 years....please, think before you make up dates...if it began in the mid 800s BC, then even if it had continued without ever being conquered or disappearing until right this moment, it would only be 2800 years old....thus, it lasted for far less time than you seem to think.

This is my last post arguing this, because obviously you won't be swayed by facts from believing what you were taught in school(god only knows how horrible the education systems are in the history/geographical areas)

I'm glad I convinced at least one person to actually do some research on this topic...

edit: Cyrus had nothing to do with anything democratic...the first government even resembling a democratic government would be Athens before Alexander took over Greece.

[FadingBeano]

I'm sorry to hear that Thrallia. You're the only one I have learned something from! But I understand, I don't know where some people get their facts from? It is frustrating. And I for one am far from always right.

But when people post incorrect information I try to figure out if they just mistyped or just misunderstood something.

The one posted that said Persia is much older then Rome and was implying 3000+ years, the only thing I can think of, is they were meaning Mesopotamia. I suppose people could be taught by someone that didn't know better that that is considered Persian. Which is incorrect.

I don't know if this is what they were thinking though.

[Antwerpo]

I think Thrallia has just declared war! :p

No finer moment than the release date of CivRev.

Let's get it on(line)

[Schuesseled]

I'm done arguing with you guys...obviously you think you learned something in school, but you are wrong....try doing some research now when arguing about it.

I thought maybe I was mistaken since a few people started arguing with me, so I researched the history of the area where Persia was, and I was right in most aspects...Persia did indeed start in the 800s BC, not the 500s, but it was nowhere near as big as it eventually became(it wasn't until the 500s BC that they conquered Babylon, which held most of modern day Iraq and Iran) That's about the only thing I was wrong on though.

Those of you claiming Persia lasted for over 3000 years....please, think before you make up dates...if it began in the mid 800s BC, then even if it had continued without ever being conquered or disappearing until right this moment, it would only be 2800 years old....thus, it lasted for far less time than you seem to think.

This is my last post arguing this, because obviously you won't be swayed by facts from believing what you were taught in school(god only knows how horrible the education systems are in the history/geographical areas)

I'm glad I convinced at least one person to actually do some research on this topic...

edit: Cyrus had nothing to do with anything democratic...the first government even resembling a democratic government would be Athens before Alexander took over Greece.


well i thought you were right about persia.