Weapons of Mafia II. Silenced weapons?

[mg198242]

I started this thread to collect info from everybody regarding the weapons from Mafia II and if we'll in the game some silenced weapons or some upgrades. Don't get me wrong, I don't want that every weapon to have a silenced version or to be upgradable, but I think at least one silenced weapon should be present in the game, of course, first a pistol and then maybe a submachine gun, like the British Sten Suppressed or DeLisle Carbine, both from WW2! I want them to be historical accurate tough!

Weapons that will be present in Mafia II, taken from screens:

- Colt 1911
- Thompson M1928 SMG
- S&W Revolver
- MG42 (my favourite:D )
- MP40 SMG
- Remington 870 pump-action shotgun
- M3 ''Grease Gun'' SMG
- Colt Python "Magnum" (?!?!?!)(Colt Python "Magnum" was produced from 1955)

[Dark-Wolf]

A baseball bat is silence :D (vincenzo favourite weapon) :p

[Styvesant]

Colt 1911 rules, simple as that, I love that gun.

[Godfather1930]

Colt 1911, Thompson SMG and Winchester for me. I would like silencer on Colt 1911, it would make some of the missions more interesting, beeing all stealthy :)

[Styvesant]

1911, I think will come silenced, I think, and it should, the more customizable weapons the better I say :-)

[ArchangelX]

I too hope we get at least one silenced weapon, if then a pistol.

But I like the DeLisle Carbine as well, loved it in H&D2 it was my most used weapon there, and as a somewhat firearms enthusiast it looks quite "sexy" too I have to say.

[mg198242]

I too hope we get at least one silenced weapon, if then a pistol.

But I like the DeLisle Carbine as well, loved it in H&D2 it was my most used weapon there, and as a somewhat firearms enthusiast it looks quite "sexy" too I have to say.
I love too DeLisle Carbine, that's why I mentioned it. I "met" that weapon first in Medal of Honor: Allied Assault Breakthrough and it was great: silenced, powerful (1 or 2 shots max and the enemy was down), but the problem is that were produced only few, less than 200, so it's almost impossible to see that weapon in Mafia II!

[Styvesant]

Sure is. I think we will be seeing the colt and crap like that again, along with the lupara.

[mg198242]

Sure is. I think we will be seeing the colt and crap like that again, along with the lupara.
Colt 1911 is more than sure in the game, it can be seen in almost every screen, wallpaper of Mafia II! We don't know yet about Lupara, it wasn't confirmed and it can't be found on any of the screens. Though I think it will be in the game.
Our "problem" is what other guns we'll be seeing or what are the guns from the already released screens&wallpapers! For example, in the screen where Vito and Joe are at the gun dealer and Vito's holding the MG42, there is a revolver hanged in a nail that looks like S&W revolver but it's not the S&W, the barrel it's too long. From my knowledge and research, for sure it's a "Magnum", Colt Python "Magnum", as this is the only "Magnum" produced in the era of Mafia II, but you know how it's said: never be too sure.

[Styvesant]

Mmm, I don't really want hardcore military guns in there if that's what everyone is getting at, but some new ones would be nice.

[ArchangelX]

We will get some WWII weapons they have already been seen on at least two screens.
I like it, especially the german MP 40.

[mg198242]

Mmm, I don't really want hardcore military guns in there if that's what everyone is getting at, but some new ones would be nice.
We won't get harcore hardware, believe me! The only hardcore gun in the game, so far, and very probably the only 1, which is meant to be used in a mission to create a trap, is the MG42, which in real life has a normal rate of fire of 1200~1300 rpm, but in some skilled hands and with some modifications it's capable of 1800 rpm. Humans cannot even distinguish the fired bullets, while you might think you shot only 1 bullet, actually you shot 5.

[Styvesant]

I prefer the good ol' fashioned execution, which is either to choke someone, or shoot them at point blank range with an S&W :P

And of course for destruction, a nice mixed 100% pure Molotov :D

[Dbeat]

the Thompson the clasic weapon of the golden years of mafia .....the Thompson is my favourite....woooo Thompson rules

[Godfather1930]

the Thompson the clasic weapon of the golden years of mafia .....the Thompson is my favourite....woooo Thompson rules

If your talking about classic guns then you need to think about Lupara too, one of the most powerfull close range guns :)

[Kubilay_Han]

Thompson forever dude !

[Fraz]

Thompson forever dude !

Yes its a MUST ...

[37inf.div.]

i need three more weapons and im good

B.A.R

Sniper Rifle (dosnt matter what modle)

a knife or a lead pipe

[Kubilay_Han]

Lupara = Sawed-off shotgun, right ?

[Styvesant]

Lupara = Sawed-off shotgun, right ?
Correct :)

[Dbeat]

what about the magnum you blow the head of any enemy with that thing..

[Kubilay_Han]

Dude i like Magnum & that kind weapons. Especially Colt Python.

[Dbeat]

yea great powerfull precised weapons..

[37inf.div.]

iwant something to kill em at a far or quietly, if i cant do that then i want a #### load of fire power like a b.a.r or magnum

[YahtzeeG8]

We will get some WWII weapons they have already been seen on at least two screens.
I like it, especially the german MP 40.

I agree that the MP40 is a good weapon to include, but I'd also LOVE to see the MP44 (STG44) in the game, as it was the first ever assault rifle made. Image at this link:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MP44.jpg

Possibly, the BAR aswell? And the Sten? And the Webley revolver? And the G43?

[Ganja]

Silenced pistol would be sweet. If they do have a silencer in the game I hope they make it realistic (i.e.; when you shoot someone anyone around you and the cops wont notice someone being shot.) I would go around shooting randoms all the time and puttin the bodies in my trunk and driving the car off a cliff. I HOPE they put a silencer in the game...they have too, its a freaking Mafia game, Gangsters use silencers!

[YahtzeeG8]

I agree. I also found this Colt 1911 in Nickel that looks pretty awesome. This could be a unlockable weapon?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Colt1911goldcup.JPG

What about a Mauser C96 aswell?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mauser_C96_M1916_Red_4.JPG

Also, I found out that the Walther PPK was used in the 1940's, and that came with a silencer! Look!

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/walther_ppk_007.jpg

As used by 007!

[15643]

I'd love to be able to buy a silencer for a weapon :D Just a pistol though, there's something about the idea of a silenced smg that I don't like.

I hope there's another unscoped bolt action rifle. Maybe another Springfield like in the first game, a Lee Enfield, or even a Kar98K- which is possible since we're getting a German MP40.

Or an M1 Garand, which, I know, is not bolt action but would be awesome :D

[Mafioso_20]

I agree that the MP40 is a good weapon to include, but I'd also LOVE to see the MP44 (STG44) in the game, as it was the first ever assault rifle made. Image at this link:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MP44.jpg

Possibly, the BAR aswell? And the Sten? And the Webley revolver? And the G43?

damn, that looks like a nice weapon :D

[MafiaFan]

I just want the weapons to be accurate to the period. I also don't want all the weapons to be equally precise and powerful. This was one of the things that made the first Mafia great. EACH weapon felt so much more nuanced and unique when compared with other games. I'm sure a lot had to do with the incredible sound, which IMO has never been outdone by any other game.

Rather than making all the weapons feel the same by just increasing fire rate and stopping power for different weapons (like for GTA), different weapons were more precise or less precise.

For example, the Colt Detective was the weakest and least accurate weapon by far. It sucked hard. It was the weapon you used when you ran out of all your other weapons. But you know what? That's what made the game great. It felt authentic to the day. The Colt 1911 was the most bad-ass weapon in the game. In reality, it REALLY was a bad-ass weapon, though I think they may have made it a little too bad-ass in the first Mafia (extremely powerful, great fire rate, and probably too accurate....but I'm not going to complain. It was my favorite weapon! :D).

We are talking about the 1920s and 1930s. Handguns were no where near as accurate or reliable back then, when compared to today. They should be improved by the 40s and 50s, but still not nearly as good as today. Weapons technology and advancements in reliability have come a long way since then.

Getting to silenced weapons....I'm not up to speed on when silencers came out. I'd like to see a silenced pistol in the game if silencers existed back then. I certainly don't want to see any silenced MP5s or anything like that. Would I like to see my Česká Zbrojovka (CZ) P-01 in the game? Hell yeah!...but it didn't exist back then, so no!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Czp01-001.jpg

Go 2K Czech! Make it great and don't put in things that take away from the authentic feel! Its what made the first one great!

[Ganja]

I hope theres weapon customization in general. For example, changing the pistol grip for better mobility or something, or putting a silencer on it

[Dbeat]

only silencer..i think customization is to much i mean all these about - fast reload-more damage etc...i think it not goes to the way of Mafia 2. But yes i hope too silenced weapons so you can do some works without atracting the attention...and i hope a garrote wire it would be so cool.

[classic mobster]

I think there should be improvised silencers. For example, if you are going to kill a guy in his house, you grab a pillow from the couch, put that against his head and press the barrel to the pillow, then shoot. But as far as silent kills go, there should be knives to put in the targets neck, baseball bats that could both immobilize, knock out and/or kill targets depending on where you hit the guy and how many times you hit em', strangulation, drowning, ect.

[Dbeat]

too complex i think

[Ganja]

garrote wire would be cool

[Dsmooth16]

[QUOTE=classic mobster;416445]I think there should be improvised silencers. For example, if you are going to kill a guy in his house, you grab a pillow from the couch, put that against his head and press the barrel to the pillow, then shoot. But as far as silent kills go, there should be knives to put in the targets neck, baseball bats that could both immobilize, knock out and/or kill targets depending on where you hit the guy and how many times you hit em', strangulation, drowning, ect.[/QUOTE ]

i agree

[dinge]

Couldn't agree more, that really is a good idea and it would make the game even better (if that's possible :D )

[YahtzeeG8]

damn, that looks like a nice weapon :D

Yeah, isn't it just a beauty? It inspired the AK47. Can you see the family resemblence?

[GEORGIAN_GRENADE]

ok i would like one silenced weapon which is normal pistol and good or ok all around but i hope they dont put in all kinds of machineguns and smgs and etc... because one of the great things about mafia 1 was that they made you value weak weapons like pistols because they made you rapidly use them. when you got a strong weapon( machineghun, shotgun, etc..) it felt really good. you felt safe and it was rewording. also when they gave you those big weapons most of the missions were epic and huge gunfights went on. that IMO was one of the great parts in mafia 1. I just hope they wont become like other shooters and give you like tons of weapons that destroy everything and so you wan't get any challenge in the game.

[Frankie Yale]

As long as Mafia II has a "snubnosed revolver" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snubnosed_revolver) of some type, I'll be happy. :)

[lawlshane]

Mg42? Seriously? >_<

[Henry Tomasino]

yeah, take a look at one of the first screens. you can clearly see Vito holding mg42.

[spoons30]

hey what kind of shotgun that vito used in gameplay trailer?
looks like an old though shotgun.

[Henry Tomasino]

Winchester Model 1897

[Alex1911]

I imagine the MG42 was capured from the germans and somehow ended up with the Mafia

Here is the postion how to shoot with the MG 42 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp0FbdrsIGM

So Martyn and Denby take notice :)

[Mooe]

I hope you can strangle someone with your baseball bat/other melee weapon :O

[Enrico]

The revolver does it for me :)

[Greaser]

hey what kind of shotgun that vito used in gameplay trailer?
looks like an old though shotgun.

Winchester Model 1897
Nope, that's Remington 870 Express.
Steven Seagal use that shotgun on Out for Justice. :D

[Henry Tomasino]

Colt 1911 and S&W are my weapons of choice.

[mafiaguy22]

Same colt is my favourite by far
I hope they have a sawed off shotgun

[FlashHawk4]

What about a Mauser C96 aswell?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mauser_C96_M1916_Red_4.JPG

Also, I found out that the Walther PPK was used in the 1940's, and that came with a silencer! Look!

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/walther_ppk_007.jpg

As used by 007![/QUOTE]

You know, I really want some WWII surplus guns.
BAR- Why not? If it's good enough for Bonnie and Clyde, it's good enough for me!
Luger P08- A classy, accurate, well-made gun.
Walther PP/PPK- Easily concealable, and it inspired a new family of guns including the Makarov. I also have a vintage 1944 PP! :D
M1 Garand- Vito is probably familiar with it, being a GI and all, and he would feel right at home shooting mobsters instead of Nazis.
Browning Auto-5- A semi-automatic shotgun that they had back then. I don't really know if the Mafia used them all that much, but it would be awesome!

BTW: I inherited the Walther from my grandfather, who was in the 82nd Airborne during the Battle of the Bulge. He took it off of a German officer. Don't want you guys thinking I'm a Nazi.

[Alex1911]

What about a Mauser C96 aswell?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mauser_C96_M1916_Red_4.JPG

Also, I found out that the Walther PPK was used in the 1940's, and that came with a silencer! Look!

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/walther_ppk_007.jpg

As used by 007!

You know, I really want some WWII surplus guns.
BAR- Why not? If it's good enough for Bonnie and Clyde, it's good enough for me!
Luger P08- A classy, accurate, well-made gun.
Walther PP/PPK- Easily concealable, and it inspired a new family of guns including the Makarov. I also have a vintage 1944 PP! :D
M1 Garand- Vito is probably familiar with it, being a GI and all, and he would feel right at home shooting mobsters instead of Nazis.
Browning Auto-5- A semi-automatic shotgun that they had back then. I don't really know if the Mafia used them all that much, but it would be awesome![/QUOTE]

Absolutly

If the BAR was good enough for Clyde Barrow why not for Vito. this weapon puts the Tommy to shame in terms of firepower and IO imagine Vito being used to it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M4gUvT5sAY

[Susu986]

Silenced pistol would be sweet. If they do have a silencer in the game I hope they make it realistic (i.e.; when you shoot someone anyone around you and the cops wont notice someone being shot.) I would go around shooting randoms all the time and puttin the bodies in my trunk and driving the car off a cliff. I HOPE they put a silencer in the game...they have too, its a freaking Mafia game, Gangsters use silencers!

Yeah, I'd love to see silenced pistol. But there's no need for other silenced weapons. It's not a S.W.A.T. game :)

Also it would be cool to have sniper rifle (with laser aim of course, hehehe :D )

[VitoScarletta]

if we do get a gun with a silencer I'll do a hitman move. Come up behind the guy an put the gun to the back of his head, nd blow his brain out of his head!!

[esk]

i really hope there are alot of different pistols. And i hope that you are not able to hide a thompson or shotgun under your cloth and that the police will react the same way they reacted in mafia I when they saw ur weapon. I would be cool if all pistols were quite good with some differents but in mafia 1 the colt was the pistol to play with because the others sucked comparred to the colt

[bananpott]

I read some place that its going to be a lot of weapons. I think it was 100. My favourite weapons are Colt 1911 and Thompson

[Ignas39]

Colt 1911 is my favourite weapon, then goes the Thompson M1928. 2 great weapons. Today's weapons don't look as good as in the 30's 40's and 50's:)

[VitoScarletta]

They don't look as good b/cuz of all that high-tech stuff they're putting on them.

[brynje]

Is it confirmed that we will be able to upgrade weapons? I cant really find out because of rumors and stuff xD But in the "a day in the life" mission vito is using a colt with a longer mag with room for more rounds.. is that a wep upgrade you buy or is it just scripted/fixed for that mission?

[TommyMafioso]

it just seems a bit far fetched if mafia did that i dont think they would care about killing someone and also not waking the neighbours up.
if they did that it would just make it seem a bit unrealistic and divert you away from the realism of that period of time.
stuff like knives and crowbar you should have but again i think samller melee weapons would be better as i doubt someone could stash a shotgun and baseball bat in their pockets without drawing attention to themelves
but i have conplete faith that mafia will resolve the realism of multiple weapons at once maybe the boot of a car if going to play a factor into carrying guns.
keep up the good work mafia and waiting for a xbox demo ?
if you do a demo, choice a mission that isn't a plot spoiler or to much of a giveaway.
thanks

[FlashHawk4]

I liked the way you could actually carry a baseball bat without people being suspicious, although it seems rather odd for a man in a suit to be heading to play baseball. Seriously, though, it's NOT a weapon, so cops can't arrest you for holding one unless you USED it as one.

[TommyMafioso]

dont post bull**** on the forum HOW can you get 100 weapons into a game like this from that era it would even be hard to name 100 realistic weapons THINK ON !!!!!

[Don_Vito]

People have been saying alot of things about "shooting randoms with a silenced pistol then put the body in the trunk and drive the car off a cliff" but the farther you get in the story the more the cops are aware of you. :) so enjoy the fun well it last

[FlashHawk4]

dont post bull**** on the forum HOW can you get 100 weapons into a game like this from that era it would even be hard to name 100 realistic weapons THINK ON !!!!!

I don't think so. Not to be a jerk or anything, but there were a lot of weapons in that era, especially when you get into the civillian weapons like hunting rifles and revolvers.

[None]

it just seems a bit far fetched if mafia did that i dont think they would care about killing someone and also not waking the neighbours up.
if they did that it would just make it seem a bit unrealistic and divert you away from the realism of that period of time.


Didn't bother with digging up real life history, but I wouldn't be surprised if criminals used a variety of silenced weapons after the war. Suppressed guns certainly existed and were used in both James Bond and commando like military operations. I don't see why professional hitmen couldn't have profited from such technology. I mean, surely there were outrighteous high-profile hits with mobsters going Thompsons and Luparas ablaze, but then again a great deal of people were found "sleeping with the fishes" with their neighbours having no idea. But to retain a certain cinematic atmosphere in the game things have to go a certain way, so constantly taking out baddies Splinter Cell style would be a little bit off the genre.

dont post bull**** on the forum HOW can you get 100 weapons into a game like this from that era it would even be hard to name 100 realistic weapons THINK ON !!!!!

Well, considering the game takes place in the post-war era, there actually were lots of weapons around after years of warfare on multiple theaters. Exluding machine guns, AT weapons, mortars and other such heavy weaponry one can name some 20 different infantry weapons (handguns, SMGs, rifles, grenades) used by US armed forces in the war. By taking into account firearms of other armed forces and those of the civilian sector plus melee weaponry I think we'd get pretty close to 100 realistic tools of the trade. I personally won't be needing such vast weaponry to go with, although I'd certainly prefer somewhat more weapons than were present in, say, the newest Hitman. Variation in weapons available adds to the general illusion of a game, methinks.

[a very goodfella]

you should see the look of insane glee that comes over my face when using an mp40 in call of duty. if it is any better than that in mafia 2 i may

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN8fY1pso3o

[TommyMafioso]

Didn't bother with digging up real life history, but I wouldn't be surprised if criminals used a variety of silenced weapons after the war. Suppressed guns certainly existed and were used in both James Bond and commando like military operations. I don't see why professional hitmen couldn't have profited from such technology. I mean, surely there were outrighteous high-profile hits with mobsters going Thompsons and Luparas ablaze, but then again a great deal of people were found "sleeping with the fishes" with their neighbours having no idea. But to retain a certain cinematic atmosphere in the game things have to go a certain way, so constantly taking out baddies Splinter Cell style would be a little bit off the genre.



Well, considering the game takes place in the post-war era, there actually were lots of weapons around after years of warfare on multiple theaters. Exluding machine guns, AT weapons, mortars and other such heavy weaponry one can name some 20 different infantry weapons (handguns, SMGs, rifles, grenades) used by US armed forces in the war. By taking into account firearms of other armed forces and those of the civilian sector plus melee weaponry I think we'd get pretty close to 100 realistic tools of the trade. I personally won't be needing such vast weaponry to go with, although I'd certainly prefer somewhat more weapons than were present in, say, the newest Hitman. Variation in weapons available adds to the general illusion of a game, methinks.

All i was saying is that me personally wouldnt want to see silenced weapons in the game as i feel that it takes it away from the brutal goriness of the game and the atmosphere of having loaded sh!t hot magnums and 1911's
sure thats your opion and i guess we will just have to wait and see what 2k do but whatever it is it'll be 100 % sh!t hot

[royalliiii]

I think there should be improvised silencers. For example, if you are going to kill a guy in his house, you grab a pillow from the couch, put that against his head and press the barrel to the pillow, then shoot. But as far as silent kills go, there should be knives to put in the targets neck, baseball bats that could both immobilize, knock out and/or kill targets depending on where you hit the guy and how many times you hit em', strangulation, drowning, ect.

I rolled down these 4 pages of this thread to check if someone has already put the same idea that I was thinking first I saw this thread.

That pillow thing/execute things(knives, broke neck with bare hands behind the target, baseballbat, other objects, broken bottle lol?) is more exciting than just shooting whole clip with silenced pistol to the target that needs to be killed silently. it creates a good atmosphere.

on the other hand I also prefer to have silencers in MAFIA II, but you should have that kind of opportunities (such as pistol-pillow-head *pam* thing) - to kill the target silently. :cool:

[FlashHawk4]

I heard you couldn't customize weapons. As such, I have a feeling that some of these 100 are just silenced, sawed-off, scoped, or otherwise modified versions of like the first 40.
2k, please prove me wrong!

By the way, 100TH POST!!! WOO HOO!

[Romann1]

I heard you couldn't customize weapons. As such, I have a feeling that some of these 100 are just silenced, sawed-off, scoped, or otherwise modified versions of like the first 40.
2k, please prove me wrong!

By the way, 100TH POST!!! WOO HOO!

You cant customize your weapons!http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43948

[Kanea7x]

Colt 1911 is the best gun dude... You cant beat it. The Thompson is good too though I have to admit

[YahtzeeG8]

You know, I really want some WWII surplus guns.
BAR- Why not? If it's good enough for Bonnie and Clyde, it's good enough for me!
Luger P08- A classy, accurate, well-made gun.
Walther PP/PPK- Easily concealable, and it inspired a new family of guns including the Makarov. I also have a vintage 1944 PP! :D
M1 Garand- Vito is probably familiar with it, being a GI and all, and he would feel right at home shooting mobsters instead of Nazis.
Browning Auto-5- A semi-automatic shotgun that they had back then. I don't really know if the Mafia used them all that much, but it would be awesome!

Absolutly

If the BAR was good enough for Clyde Barrow why not for Vito. this weapon puts the Tommy to shame in terms of firepower and IO imagine Vito being used to it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M4gUvT5sAY[/QUOTE]

Yeah, granted the BAR would be awesome, but so would the MP44. I read that during the war, at least 60% of American soldiers who had run out of ammo picked up MP44's, as they were a very good gun, so Vito may have also had his fair share of using one ;) Also, it just looks cool, and is they can have the MP40, then why not the first ever assault rifle?:cool:

[Henry Tomasino]

come on its not call of duty.

[YahtzeeG8]

come on its not call of duty.

I'm just saying mate, it's probably not in the game seeing hoe close it is 'till release, it's just my personal opinion, ok? :cool:

[Henry Tomasino]

ok no problem . im just sayin that imo mafia shootout with mp44 would look kinda strange.

[YahtzeeG8]

ok no problem . im just sayin that imo mafia shootout with mp44 would look kinda strange.

Wouldn't a mafia shootout look strange though with a MP40 or MG42? ;)

[Henry Tomasino]

yeah it would ;p

[YahtzeeG8]

yeah it would ;p

So what was the point of our argument. I think it's gone out the window lol :L

[FlashHawk4]

To be honest, the Thompson is probably relatively expensive compared to most other weapons in the game, as it has the wood furniture, the machine milled parts, the level of craftsmanship, etc. is much harder to get than say an MP40 or M3 cranked off of converted automobile assembly lines. So, yeah, it won't be cheap. Especially seeing how fully automatic weapons were illegal in this period of time (and still are) :(