Manual gear

[Craftworth]

Sorry, if it was asking, but will be in Mafia 2 manual gear, like in Mafia 1?:confused:

[Styvesant]

Sorry, if it was asking, but will be in Mafia 2 manual gear, like in Mafia 1?:confused:

I'm sure there will be, since in all games there is.

[hoooah]

I hope will be neutral key for gear in Mafia 2, like "x" in Mafia 1 :)

[Styvesant]

I hope will be neutral key for gear in Mafia 2, like "x" in Mafia 1 :)

Lol yeah, I loved to rev the engines, especially that white 2-door sportscar, not sure what it's called, the one you steal from that guy that goes into the restaurant.

[Craftworth]

Lol yeah, I loved to rev the engines, especially that white 2-door sportscar, not sure what it's called, the one you steal from that guy that goes into the restaurant.

Lassister, I forget what model)))

[Dark-Wolf]

Celeste Marque 500 is nice to pull the gas pedal with X :D

[Guy From Empire City]

I agree,manual gear is necessary:)

[Hatesink]

I hope will be neutral key for gear in Mafia 2, like "x" in Mafia 1 :)Me too, absolutely, 100%. Sometimes you need neutral to vary your degree of traction. It's something I've learned to do automatically. In games with no neutral I've had to make a conscious effort to re-learn not keep shifting into reverse. All racing games should have neutral.

Also, the gear up and gear down buttons should absolutely be reversible. Having to re-condtion yourself to use opposite buttons for gear shifting from game to game pretty much sucks (especially since if you knew anything about racing, generally all the other key configurations you'd just never use in a million years).

Apologies, but I used to be pretty hardcore into my racing simulation, and that's just stuff that really used to suck.

Also— a camera from the drivers viewpoint. Not on the hood or on the bumper or an inch above the road, but from the driver's viewpoint. As though seeing through the driver's eyes.

Surely by now these things should be a given.

[Styvesant]

Me too, absolutely, 100%. Sometimes you need neutral to vary your degree of traction. It's something I've learned to do automatically. In games with no neutral I've had to make a conscious effort to re-learn not keep shifting into reverse. All racing games should have neutral.

Also, the gear up and gear down buttons should absolutely be reversible. Having to re-condtion yourself to use opposite buttons for gear shifting from game to game pretty much sucks (especially since if you knew anything about racing, generally all the other key configurations you'd just never use in a million years).

Apologies, but I used to be pretty hardcore into my racing simulation, and that's just stuff that really used to suck.

Also— a camera from the drivers viewpoint. Not on the hood or on the bumper or an inch above the road, but from the driver's viewpoint. As though seeing through the driver's eyes.

Surely by now these things should be a given.

Haha you are right, when you use it, you just keep using it, and don't even realise, I just hope that the engine sounds have that true, old classic sound.

[Styvesant]

Celeste Marque 500 is nice to pull the gas pedal with X :D

Thats the one :)

[Hatesink]

Haha you are right, when you use it, you just keep using it, and don't even realise, I just hope that the engine sounds have that true, old classic sound.As long as the engine sounds don't loop I'll be happy, otherwise, it's just very irritating.

[Fraz]

surely there will be manual transmision as well as automatic.

BTW i never used MT in Mafia ... :)

[Craftworth]

surely there will be manual transmision as well as automatic.
I hope...

BTW i never used MT in Mafia ...
Well, when I want just freeride, I used manual, it's more realistic :)

[Styvesant]

Yeah freeride manual is mad, but in a chase, I kinda forget to change gears lol

[ArchangelX]

I expect there to be manual gear, the original had it and thinking about how central the cars also will be in Mafia 2 it doesn`t make sence to leave it out.

In addition I hope there will be added wheel\pedal support for clutch and "H" pattern gear.

[Godfather1930]

Yes, agree with you ArchangelX. I want to be able to use my wheel and H-shifter, it would add to the game's realism.

[arbitrarymobster]

I think it would be cool if on the hardest difficulty setting (for the ultimate realistic experience) the vehicle transmissions would be randomly set. It would be an interesting way to challenge players. If you are about to engage in a car chase and you hop in a car with a two speed automatic (common back then) you will not have quite the acceleration as with the manual, and it will be impossible to bring the rear end of the car around in a turn, resulting in understeer. On the other hand, if you hop in a car with a manual transmission you'll need to remember to shift. What do you think?

Oh, and on the subject of automatic transmissions, I hope that they behave more like real automatic transmissions; when casually driving the car should be in final drive by 30 mph, not reving up to redline before shifting. This would be especially important if the transmissions are randomly chosen.

[Lucky_Lu]

IMO, i would'nt mind seeing manuel gears in the game, same goes for the feature not in the game...in other words...i dont really care lol..

MAFIA II is going to be awesome, with, or without it!!:)

[packardcaribien]

I think it would be cool if on the hardest difficulty setting (for the ultimate realistic experience) the vehicle transmissions would be randomly set. It would be an interesting way to challenge players. If you are about to engage in a car chase and you hop in a car with a two speed automatic (common back then) you will not have quite the acceleration as with the manual, and it will be impossible to bring the rear end of the car around in a turn, resulting in understeer. On the other hand, if you hop in a car with a manual transmission you'll need to remember to shift. What do you think?

Oh, and on the subject of automatic transmissions, I hope that they behave more like real automatic transmissions; when casually driving the car should be in final drive by 30 mph, not reving up to redline before shifting. This would be especially important if the transmissions are randomly chosen.

Now that's a very interesting idea indeed. I'd think it'd be optional, even if you chose "Ultra Hard" or whatever. What I'd like to see is Percentages of likeliness of manual vs. automatic, and only one or two automatic transmissions per make - all responding a bit different, not to mention very old cars will be stuck with manual all the time. Very optional though.

IE:
Steal a 1938 Shubert :
Manual 3-Speed 70%
Manual 4-Speed 30%

Steal a 1953 Potomac :
4-Speed Auto. "Aquamatic" 40%
3-Speed Manual 40%
4-Speed Manual 20%

Steal a 1953 Wright :
Torque Converter "DynamicFlow" 55%
3-Speed Manual 25%
4-Speed Manual 30%

Steal a 1956 Shubert
2-Speed Auto. "Acceloflite" 64%
3-Speed Manual 25%
4-Speed Manual 11%

...You get the Idea. With car sales record you could get things very accurate. (mine are just guesses) Make a realistic illustration of the rise of the Automatic.

And like arbitrarymobster said, they could affect peformance. Like you would prefer to get a Manual on the corvette lookalike as the Shuberts would only get 2 speed automatics and they would hinder the performance.




Now that I read this post, I think I may be expecting too much from this game

[gazm]

BTW i never used MT in Mafia ... :)

I'm amazed you managed to complete it; the cars won't rev and are much slower with the self-shifter.


The cars should be realistic; who’s ever heard of a manual Cadillac or an automatic European sports car.

[495]

well, i just obtained my drivers license (hooray to me, i know) and went in the game (mafia 1) and tried it! i can honestly say that its way better...

but i can see why in a mission, a car chase, u can choose to have an automatic... its makes more sense, keep your focus to the street and so on... :)

[arbitrarymobster]

The cars should be realistic; who’s ever heard of a manual Cadillac or an automatic European sports car.

Back in the 40s-50s, nearly all cars were available as manual or automatics, but I don't think that it would be any less realistic to have the game choose the transmissions of each vehicle as opposed to the player being able to assign all cars being one way or the other.


@ 495: That's why I think it would be an interesting way to increase the difficulty, rather than just allowing less hitpoints or something; what do you think?

[495]

a toggle between manual and automatic, somewhere in the options menu, would satisfy everybody, thats what i think! :)

[packardcaribien]

The cars should be realistic; who’s ever heard of a manual Cadillac or an automatic European sports car.

Which is why I like my idea if transmissions were to be chosen by the computer. 9/10 a 49 caddy would automatic, rather then being randomly picked - it would be more realistic. Vice versa would go for the 1952 Ferrari.

[arbitrarymobster]

a toggle between manual and automatic, somewhere in the options menu, would satisfy everybody, thats what i think! :)

I agree, there can never be too many toggleable options. Perhaps then, a toggle between manual, auto, and let the game decide?

[Fugue]

the game should not force you to drive with manual gears, that will just annoy ppl, esp me :p

toggle as it was before is the way to go.

[spark6665]

I totally agree with Fugue...

[The Black Fedora]

I think that there should be an option to have Vito automaticaly change the gears on the manuals(for the people that don't like shifting, even though i can't see why(not trying to be offensive) but still use the idea of random transmissions. that way for the poeple that want the realism they will have the random gearbox, and the poeple that don't can drive automatics.

[Fugue]

why does there need to be random transmissions :confused:

just make the cars like Mafia 1, auto by default & manual if you want it, adding something in between & performance hits for the sake of realism makes no sense to me, it really doesn't need messing with.

[The Black Fedora]

doesn't need to be done, but it would be kinda cool. and if there are options for all auto, or a mix, or all manual then everyone would be happy. but i do see what you're saying.

[FlashHawk4]

I kind of want a Far Cry 2 type driving perspective, with the steering wheel and dash VISIBLE, instead of having a camera mounted on the front of the hood. And yes, in my opinion it should be optional.

[gazm]

If we're really going for accuracy then they should make the transmission noticeably different, not simply the same model but with the user selecting the gear in place of the computer.

Not sure if that makes sense but let me put it this way; if you were blindfolded and driven in two cars, one manual, one automatic, and then asked which was which, you'd just know. There are fundamental differences between the feel and sound of a manual car and a torque-converting automatic.

However I actually don't think they should add this level of realism simply because it would take an extra wad of code, development and effort just so 1% of the players could get really excited about it. It's just not worth their time, which is a shame.

I say stick to the system in M1 with random mt/at cars and a button to toggle between the two once you get in. Simple.

[arbitrarymobster]

Some of you are saying that there should be a toggleable option rather than being "forced" one way or the other. No one suggested that the game would force you to drive either manuals or automatics. There would be a toggleable option which would enable players to challenge themselves (not annoy) by sometimes driving a vehicle with a transmission that they are less comfortable with.

One might draw a comparison between this idea and with the way ammunition was handled in Mafia 1. What the dev's did was face players with a real world constraint which added an element of challenge, the very same way this would. Again, this would be toggleable and would augment (not replace) the system used in Mafia 1.

I prefer to drive manuals all of the time, but I would welcome the variety and challenge of having to ocasionally engage in chase with a "slushomatic". I think this method of employing realistic constraints is unique to Mafia and sets it apart from games in the same genre. What do you think?

[Fugue]

am not anti realism ;) but the car nuts would be better off accepting it's an action game, and things like car chases just have to be fun, of course the first game was different and I loved the driving, hope it's the game as Mafia 1 but when it comes to realism/gears some of the suggestions here would really annoy me :p

for the simple sake of gameplay there should be no constraints of any sort, cars are either manual or auto at the press of a button.

PS am not anti manual gears, my car is manual, hate autos :)

[gazm]

Just as long as they don't use the GTA-style linear acceleration featuring just the faintest sound of a car accelerating and changing gear with no bearing on what the car is actually doing, or reality for that matter...

[The Black Fedora]

The "car nuts" shouldn't be singled out from the rest of the gamers.

you do realise that you are on a page all about gearboxes, right?

I think that there should be an option for 1. all auto. 2. all manual. 3. a mix

That way everyone is happy.

[Fugue]

The "car nuts" shouldn't be singled out from the rest of the gamers. .

yes they should :p

sooner or later they're just going to have to accept the cars aren't licensed, and like the rest of the game are fictional, don't think some here have quite grasped that yet ;)

[The Black Fedora]

The "car nuts" shouldn't be singled out from the rest of the gamers.

yes they should:p

sooner or later they're just going to have to accept the cars aren't licensed, and like the rest of the game are fictional, don't think some here have quite grasped that yet ;)

I anyone here thinks that the cars are licensed then they are complete idiots.
Same with the fictional story line, if anyone thinks that this is a true story, then they are probably "special

To say that all car enthusiasts think that the cars are licensed, or the story is true is an IGNORANT STATEMENT.

Many people just want to have a bit more realism, not a nonfiction history game.

But some people just can't accept/understand that.

[Fugue]

already said am am not against realism...

or the story is true

did I say that?

To say that all car enthusiasts think that the cars are licensed

didn't say that either....

I said they will have to accept they aren't....

it's the notion of applying "realistic constraints" onto something that "looks" like a Cadillac, that isn't, I guarantee after the game is released there'll be all sort of threads about how the cars are "wrong".

constraints should be left to the modders.

[arbitrarymobster]

...it's the notion of applying "realistic constraints" onto something that "looks" like a Cadillac, that isn't, I guarantee after the game is released there'll be all sort of threads about how the cars are "wrong".

constraints should be left to the modders.

lol; You may want to brush up on you're definition of constraints. Realistic constraints in Mafia 2 include; health system, flat tires, fuel, gravity, ammunition, police, bad guys, money, etc., etc., etc., etc. I can't understand why you seem to be lobbying so hard against these ideas. None of them are threatening to replace any of the features you enjoy in the game. What is this really about?

[Fugue]

constraint as in restricted, so some want certain cars to be restricted to certain transmissions, I thought that was clear enough... things like that should be left to the modders, for the minority that want it.

at the risk of repeating myself....

read back through the thread... eg

The cars should be realistic; who’s ever heard of a manual Cadillac or an automatic European sports car.

there isn't a Cadillac in the game, cars aren't licensed so there can't be, there is a car which looks like a Cadillac.

[495]

so in real life american cars dont have a shift stick? well thats just cheating :P

i say that coz recently i got my driver license and had a few problems dunring school with the shift stick, but mastered id by the time of the exam...

in my opinion you cant call urself a driver if you dont now how to drive a manual gear car... :)

[Fugue]

in reality ;) I can't stand autos, do have to drive them occasionally but I don't like that feeling of not really being in control, had a quick spin in a semi auto Maserati back in May, that was even worse.

In games I've never used manual gears, might be tempted if I bought a decent wheel/pedals but for something like Mafia I doubt I would use it at all, apart from going up some hills :D

[The Black Fedora]

I don't think you quite understand why people are saying "the caddilac" or other names. It is because at this point no one except the developers know the names of the cars in the game. so people say what it most closely resembles so others know what they are talking about.
And if you took the time to read my posts thoroughly you would understand that there would be no forced manual cars because of the options i suggested. So really there is no reason to complain. Cause there would be no forced gearbox. And because it is only a thought, not a fact.
There will always be the people that want a car to be real, i call them purists. But not everyone wants real cars in the game(i don't).
So the assumptions that i want forced gearboxes or reall cars should pretty much come to a close.

[Hashshashin]

No manual gears; check out this HUD:

http://www.mafiagame.cz/img_news/20-08-09_1.jpg

That would suck. How hard can it be to insert manual gears, besides automatic gears? It worked perfect in Mafia.

[gazm]

That's pre-production though, there was a time when there was no HUD at all. I'm sure there will be a manual gearbox option.