Conflicting information in previews on the size of "Empire City"

[ArchangelX]

I have read several of the latest previews and one of the things that I noticed was that Gamereactor the Scandinavian gamers magazine have printed that the city in "Mafia 2" will be about 70% the size of "Lost Heaven",
though on the other hand OPM and Gameradar both say that it will be about twize the size ?

The size of the playable area, driving etc means alot to me, and I hoped that it would expand from the original and at least not reverse in size.
On the other hand the graphics looks so good that it is understandable if it is the case but I just wanted to say that there is conflicting information on it.

[Don Memphis]

I have read in czech LEVEL magazine, that Emire City will have 4x4 kilometres (16 square kilometres = 2x bigger than Lost Heaven city) with 20 different districts...;)

[mak4bd]

I have read in czech LEVEL magazine, that Emire City will have 4x4 kilometres (16 square kilometres = 2x bigger than Lost Heaven city) with 20 different districts...;)

can u plz scan and post or mail me at: mak4bd@yahoo.com

[KuKuruzas]

I think it says twice as bigger but without countryside

[RaptorM60]

Three sources (LEVEL, PSM, EGM) says Empire City is double size of Lost Heaven, one (GameReactor) says Empire City takes 70% of Lost Heaven area ... absolutley clear situation for me :-)

[2K Elizabeth]

Empire City is 10 square miles!

[Pantsless]

omg.. nice :)

[mak4bd]

Empire City is 10 square miles!

as 2k forums's admin..can i assume that the info u provided is official and 100 legit?

[2K Elizabeth]

as 2k forums's admin..can i assume that the info u provided is official and 100 legit?

as 2K's Community Manager also. i assure you, my information is not wrong. i triple checked.

it's 10 square miles!

[Don Memphis]

it's 10 square miles!

10 square miles ~ 16 square kilometres, thanks for confirmation!;)

EDIT: Or not? Conversion of square units itsn't my forte...:D

[sosaited]

Empire City is 10 square miles!

Thanks alot for sharing this with us. Just one more confirmation, JUST the city is 10miles? or Country side Included (i.e the whole playable area in Mafia II) is 10miles?

[Pantsless]

OH come on.. what difference does it make? 10k square miles is friggin enough.
Thx for the info btw :)

[sosaited]

OH come on.. what difference does it make? 10k square miles is friggin enough.
Thx for the info btw :)
You'r dead right its friggin enough, thats why I asked If country side was included, cause any 10miles already will be hard to get "familiar" with :D ;)

[mak4bd]

i had the map of mafia memorised. i managed to move around without looking at the map like real world :D

[ArchangelX]

Thats great thanks for confirming.

How big is "Lost Heaven" (only the city excluding the countryside) in comparison I have forgot :( , just want to visualize :D

[RaptorM60]

You are more than right with 16 square kilometers Memphis (wich is just twice a size of Lost Heaven) :-). And ... I think I can add for everyone that Empire City is devided into 20 different quarters, each with its own architectonic style - some are more industrial, while the other ones are typical urban areas such as blocks of flats, city centre with skyscrapers, or even suburb areas (with lots of back-streets, stairways ...).

For now, we know three quarters by name: Little Italy (what a hell, sounds more than familiar :o) ), Sand Island (described suburb area) and Millville (industrial zone - tons of nipping iron, old factories etc.).

What's next in Empire City? Golden Gate, Brooklyn's bridge, big foundry, observatory, fastfoods, restaurants, coffee-bars, shops selling clothes - and that everything you can enter, use, buy, shoot into pieces ... whatever :-)

[ArchangelX]

Sounds great, I bet it will be very diverse but in a good way.
I loved the way it was layed out in "Lost Heaven" and with 20 different quarters :cool:

[Tetref]

i had the map of mafia memorised. i managed to move around without looking at the map like real world :D

same for me :D

btw: like i said in another topic..i'm really worried abot the mix of San Francisco and New York and i look forward for more "city screens"
Everybody who knows these two cities should agree with me it's like mixing salt and sugar...hope it would be right combination .)

[Pantsless]

Im sure the devs know what they're doin concerning this matter... You realize they have experience and I doubt they'll create a lame city :)

[mak4bd]

from the screenshots...the city looks nice and honestly speaking quite Complete.. i am guessing how long they have been working on MAFIA2!! the city looks amazing and the details of everything is also eye catching. Hope they manage to combine everything better than the previous game. :)

[Pantsless]

Hope they manage to combine everything better than the previous game. :)
No need, the first one was just perfect :D

[Tetref]

Lost Heaven is certainly designed very good..mix of NYC and Chicago

[Lost Heaven City]

as 2K's Community Manager also. i assure you, my information is not wrong. i triple checked.

it's 10 square miles!

10 square miles = 25 km²
___

San Andreas = 35 km²
So it means that the Mafia 2's game area (Empire City) will be about 2/3 of San Andreas which is absolutely GIANT !

[Tetref]

10x 1,6km = 16 km2

[Lost Heaven City]

It is in SQUARE so there is a biggest multiplicater...

I did that converting on several websites SQUARE MILES 2 SQUARE KILOMETERS and the result was always: 10 mi² = 25 km²

So I'm right.

[Tetref]

citation from czech magazine Level:
the size of the city is exactly 4x4km so it's double bigger than Lost Heaven from Mafia 1

[Mr Crazy]

citation from czech magazine Level:
the size of the city is exactly 4x4km so it's double bigger than Lost Heaven from Mafia 1
Yeah, Tetref is right. One question - how could you read the Level mag, if you´re from NY? :)

[Tetref]

i explained that in topic "Nationality stuff" ;o)

[Thomas Angelo]

Lost City was 16 km2, Empire city will be 30-38 km2 for sure... New York is about 200 km2? :D But it will be same better

[ArchangelX]

Well "Lost Heaven" must have been around 8 km2 since Tetref quoted from the magazine that "Empire City" will be 4 x 4 = 16 km2 which would be twize the size 0f "Lost Heaven".

[Thomas Angelo]

Oh sry you are right, I've read it right now :)

[ArchangelX]

Hehe thats cool, I was confused about it too, thats why I made the topic, but I am satisfied with how it looks to turn out.

[DoHo]

has a countryside area been confirmed/denied for Mafia II? Because if Mafia II is 70% of Mafia ...but it is all city... that will be far bigger in terms of actual driving space.

[Fugue]

hope there will be countryside, "A trip to the country" is still my favourite Mafia 1 mission & would be nice to see something like that in M2.

[ArchangelX]

As far as I know they have only commented on the size of Empire City which of course leaves the opertunity that we still might get a countryside.

All screens so far though hint only at an urban setting.

I hope we get one too of course, but I won`t mind if we "only" get a city now that I know it will be twize the size of Lost Heaven.

Though "A trip to the countryside" is easily one of the most atmospheric missions in Mafia :)

[Celestial Spirit]

preview from Gamemag.ru, 15.04.2008 http://www.gamemag.ru/news/24986/
russian site => russian language

use any translator Russian --> English

Certainly there is no new global information, but anyway, this is a new preview

[oritxupolite]

The three familys of the Mafia in Empire City

Clemente, Vinci and Falconi.

[DoHo]

As far as I know they have only commented on the size of Empire City which of course leaves the opertunity that we still might get a countryside.

All screens so far though hint only at an urban setting.

I hope we get one too of course, but I won`t mind if we "only" get a city now that I know it will be twize the size of Lost Heaven.

Though "A trip to the countryside" is easily one of the most atmospheric missions in Mafia :)Yes, those countryside missions were quite fun. It was great to get some scenery for a change, though the best parts were easily set in the city itself.

[just-whatever]

preview from Gamemag.ru, 15.04.2008 http://www.gamemag.ru/news/24986/
russian site => russian language

use any translator Russian --> English

Certainly there is no new global information, but anyway, this is a new preview
There is no new information, actually. All the information was taken from the Vavra's interview, posted by Thomas Angelo in this thread. :)

[ArchangelX]

Yes, those countryside missions were quite fun. It was great to get some scenery for a change, though the best parts were easily set in the city itself.

Yes for sure I agree, the city is one of the most important characters in both games.

[Madis]

So what if they have these features, the thing they exist in other games too doesn't make them bad. I like that in Vice City for example you could buy property, and I would also like it in Mafia, why not?

[Tetref]

mafia is not GTA! fft!

[oritxupolite]

Vade retro !!! :D :D

[cruelstein]

I really hope that there will be a countryside.

Imagine a chase in a 50´s car that starts in the city and ends somewhere far away from everything. It´s dark outside and you hunt your enemy on empty country-roads... After you have smashed him up against the fence there will be no witnesses when you shoot him down and throw the corps downhill.

:cool:

[Mr. The Big]

Just CHILL, I think that game will be just right. ;)

[rethnath]

The truth is there is a countryside in MAFIA II. But it have much lesser area than its predecessor...!!! =(

[Styvesant]

Who the hell want's a countryside lol

[ArchangelX]

I sure would want too, I wonder how it is designed.

Maybe it will only be a small part on the edge in one of the corners in the map, or maybe stretched out surrounding the city on three sides.
I think one side will be sea, since we have seen the harbor on some screens.

[sedlbob]

I think a coutryside will be also important for a story part of the game as it was in Mafia.
But still it's not the most important part, so the coutryside will be just smaller.

There could be some nice scenes. Somebody said(wrote) Mafia II is partly inspired by The Goodfellas, so I think one of those movie scenes could be imitate.

[Dbeat]

eeem nope Daniel Varvra said that the countryside will not be a important part for the story but it will be a contrypart smaller than the first mafia countrypart ...but can you imagine the beauty of the countryside that will be on mafia 2?

[Styvesant]

Better than Oblivion graphics I hope

[sedlbob]

eeem nope Daniel Varvra said that the countryside will not be a important part for the story but it will be a contrypart smaller than the first mafia countrypart

That's what I'm saying - the countryside won't be so huge and important as it was in Mafia.
I was reacting on this: Who the hell want's a countryside lol But I was also saying that the countryside will be also important (in part) for the game.

but can you imagine the beauty of the countryside that will be on mafia 2?

Of course I can. That nature in Mafia was really great, but I'm sure that I didn't spend so much time inthere. I was there because of missions and sometimes (but still sometimes) even I was't playing a tale part of the game - in free-ride.

[Treadstone 71]

But I was also saying that the countryside will be also important (in part) for the game.

yeah. especially for dump dead body hahaha.

[sedlbob]

Yup. Have you ever seen The goodfellas movie - now I mean those two great scenes - the first scene in the movie, when Joe Pesci is stabbing a man in a trunk, and the second-one when they are getting his rotted body from the ground after six months.

[Madis]

Funny to see from the previous posts how bad calculating skills you people have :)





(not that I'm any better)

[Treadstone 71]

Yup. Have you ever seen The goodfellas movie - now I mean those two great scenes - the first scene in the movie, when Joe Pesci is stabbing a man in a trunk, and the second-one when they are getting his rotted body from the ground after six months.

yes ofcourse.
Goodfellas is one of my favourite movie (beside The Godfather Trilogy).
i remember when they stopped at DeVito's mother's house to collect a knife. DeVito's mother made 'em meals, chat and have some breakfast while the critically wounded Batts was still in the trunk.
upon arriving at an isolated countryside, the Conway, Hill and DeVito opened the trunk of the car, killed Batts, and buried him there. in c o u n t r y s i d e. hahahaha that's why i love countryside.

[Mr. The Big]

I have read in czech LEVEL magazine, that Emire City will have 4x4 kilometres (16 square kilometres = 2x bigger than Lost Heaven city) with 20 different districts...;)

Empire City is 10 square miles!

If that correct the Empire city is small. Because in Mafa 1 the features says:
Explore over 12 square miles of this 1930's American city.

[Muggy]

If that correct the Empire city is small. Because in Mafa 1 the features says:
Explore over 12 square miles of this 1930's American city.

The 12 square miles also included the countryside.. Lost Heaven City and it's suburbs was only about 5 square miles in size.

[Zamolxe]

i think if the map will be as big as the one from mafia1 it will be ok. i am also interested in exploring the map vertically :) i mean enter the buildings, go up to the top floor. that would be cool!

[Mr. The Big]

The 12 square miles also included the countryside.. Lost Heaven City and it's suburbs was only about 5 square miles in size.

Well, yeah, I missed that the games had a countryside, fool me. :D

[Zorro]

Yup. Have you ever seen The goodfellas movie - now I mean those two great scenes...

You forgot to mention the 3rd great scene... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu-2xYwrr1U

[Fraz]

You forgot to mention the 3rd great scene... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu-2xYwrr1U

Nice one ... :D

[Guy From Empire City]

In many clauses it will be written that city in the size to 2,5 miles and who that speaks that the city will be twice more Lost Heaven.Elizabeth has told that 10 (!) miles. To whom to trust, who will precisely explain me a situation, I have got confused!
P.S 10 miles it not seem to you that too much? With such graphics Developers will manage to work such area? I do not want that the city was dead...
Thanks for understanding:(

[Dbeat]

i think the one you have to trust is Elizabeth she question to the developers and the developers give her the true information so i think that it will be 10 miles and i think and enshure you that the hole city will be full of life ...not for nothing the developers delayed ALMOST 5 YEARS!! ;) OR MORE i dont know exactly but ...god the developers are crazy :D

[rethnath]

A very beautiful article published about the whole city and some game missions in www.mafia2game.co.nr

[Darkish Raven]

Yeah, I was quite dissapointed while playing Mafia with a small city, but I think Empire City will be just fine.

I mean...you have games like True Crime and the Godfather where it takes you about five hours just to get from one side of the city to the other side....bigger doesn't always mean better.

[Dbeat]

i think that the size of Mafia 2 is good...not too big but not too small

[Zoki318]

10 sq. miles is better than the first Mafia but it still not that big. Just Cause is a lot bigger. I have it for PS2 and I think on the back cover it says over 800 sq miles. This link mentions over 1200 sq miles. :)

http://guides.gamepressure.com/justcause/

[vaults]

Just dont make it to big. I personally like to get familiar with the city.
I appologize for making this comparision, but I just recently bought GTA 4, which is a pretty good game but at first, yout pretty much get frustrated because your are simply LOST in that town.

After like 30h of playtime, I still have MAJOR difficulties finding my way to given löocations without taking a closer look at the GPS system all the time.

So don't make it too big. The player's got to get right in, get himself familiar with the city over a certain period of time.
Making the city too big will get me frustrated.

By the way... :D ... I know Lost heaven as good as own wallet :D

[weedle667]

look on the thread map speculation for the map