BioShock Sucky? or just me...

[Darthturk]

Srsly, when i read about this i where like "OMG! i just have to get this game!!!" so i went to buy it... now i feel like i wasted my money... they promise alot but this is just another, Do this. shoot something do that, shoot something. I had hoped for more story and perhabs just 1 friendly that doesnt die?

I gotta admit i havent finished the game yet, but i really dont find it as funny as i would want it to be.... I find it just to be another remake of quake 4 or doom 3... lots of hallsways filled with bodys, blood and monsters to shoot... where is the good story? Where is what was supposed to make this game so diffrent? Yes there is the little girls and special power things... its just not enough i think..

[Rebelphoenix]

Bioshock rocks.

[dyslixec]

Maybe its just you then, because I just finished the game today, and over all this is one of the best damn singleplayer games I have played since system shock 2 / half-life1. Every other sp experience out there since those two games have always felt the same, and never really entrapped me. However this could all be personal preference.. I personally loved BioShock and got completely enveloped into the story line. It wont be everyones cup of tea I suppose.

[nfs480]

Wait until you hit some awesome plot twists near the end, then tell us what you think.

[Darthturk]

Well im glad you enjoyed it... :)

But srsly, the best game ever? The next for me will prob be Crysis... it can only be better :P Or maybe even Far cry 2 :) and Ofc Starcraft 2. This game simply just doesnt for me... its to shallow...

Happy gaming to those who enjoy it tho :)

[Rebelphoenix]

Well im glad you enjoyed it... :)

But srsly, the best game ever? The next for me will prob be Crysis... it can only be better :P Or maybe even Far cry 2 :) and Ofc Starcraft 2. This game simply just doesnt for me... its to shallow...

Happy gaming to those who enjoy it tho :)

Uh... Crysis is farcry 2.0 why are they making farcry 2?

[sgtshock]

Maybe its boring like Doom 3 and Quake 4 because you're playing it like doom 3 or quake 4. Try exploring more, getting lots of upgrades, and using your plasmids.

[dyslixec]

no its not rebel, Crysis is a different game from farcry that is being developed by the Crytek team (those who did farcry) Far Cry 2 is being done by another company all together this time. Personally id lean more towards crysis ;).

[Sky_Rail]

Oh no it couldn't be just you. Sounds like your just tired of gaming. Bioshock breaks the rules with a fresh style and aproach. It is freaking fun to play. Using combos like set them on fire and electrocute them when they run for water is freaking insane. I think you should just quit gaming because you have got in touch with your feminine side and she is a nagging ☺☺☺☺☺.

[Rebelphoenix]

no its not rebel, Crysis is a different game from farcry that is being developed by the Crytek team (those who did farcry) Far Cry 2 is being done by another company all together this time. Personally id lean more towards crysis ;).

You are thrown on and Island and have to wonder around, somewhere along the way you will face off with mutants... How is Crysis not farcry again?

[dyslixec]

Because your fighting aliens from another planet! and Koreans! Oh and trees break! :P

[Darthturk]

Sgtshock, i have been going everywhere i can find.. (i think? :P) And it doesnt make the game anymore fun.. just makes it take longer and forces me to kill more... yeah i get bigger weapons and stuff and the monsters also get bigger... but still where is the storry? You gotta love the Doom 3 PDA system.. way better then this tape stuff... :)

[Darthturk]

Oh no it couldn't be just you. Sounds like your just tired of gaming. Bioshock breaks the rules with a fresh style and aproach. It is freaking fun to play. Using combos like set them on fire and electrocute them when they run for water is freaking insane. I think you should just quit gaming because you have got in touch with your feminine side and she is a nagging ☺☺☺☺☺.

Why dont you just stfu? i dident make this for ppl like to talk bad about me... i just made it to see other ppls oppinion... And what does it have to do with my feminine side?

[BounceDK]

Fanboys will tell you to do all kinds of funny things when you don't like their precious game. I've been told to get a life, stop being gay, grow up just because I didn't like the kiddie game that is World of Copycraft.

Opinions is a word that fanboys never heard about.

[Sky_Rail]

Whoa whoa whoa! Humor alert!

Dude that was totaly my fault I was going to put one of these :D after the ☺☺☺☺☺ thing as like a joke. Damn the lack of edit key.

I seriously fail at humor!

For petes sake you have every right to post your opinion how you were dissapointed just as I am about how awesome I think it was. The fem. side thing was meant as a joke. Forgive a dumbass. :o

[Marmot of Doom]

I like the tape system - in some games you feel like you are reading a small book to get the "background story" with the tape you can keep on moving and listen to it.

If you play a bit more and each character's story developes a bit more it gets so much more involving.

[greylantern]

.. How is Crysis not farcry again?

Cos it supports DX10 features ;)

Seriously though I'm well up for crysis, Farcry was one of my favourite PC games (ever) and even if it was 'more of the same but better' that would be better than 'no more of anything'

[FTWalker]

I like the tape system - in some games you feel like you are reading a small book to get the "background story" with the tape you can keep on moving and listen to it.

If you play a bit more and each character's story developes a bit more it gets so much more involving.

Agreed - those tapes are there for a reason. The game loses a lot if all you do is run from one goal to the next. Take some time... look out the windows a bit... think of interesting ways to "subdue" your opposition.
Enjoy the game for the story.:)

[sPenc3r]

Bioshock rocks.

Well your problem probably is that you are not taking your time and adventuring around the decks, don't just follow the arrow look around for diarys and that such.

[Darthturk]

Well i suppose the reason i dont find it so good is prob cause i hoped for more decision making.. like do i want to go there? or would i rather do something else? Im a little tired of the do this and that system... Now someone is prob gonna say something like: Then go play wow or another mmorpg but thats not what i want :P i like FPS i just find it to be to.. witch is why im prob also gonna be dissapointed in Crysis, but atleast Farcry 2 and Starcraft 2, is a game where you make the descisions :)

[sPenc3r]

oppps didnt mean to quote you sorry.

[Darthturk]

And btw, i do explorer... and i also listen to those tapes and such, i just think it would be cool with more then that... like letters and stuff ;)

[shocked]

You are thrown on and Island and have to wonder around, somewhere along the way you will face off with mutants... How is Crysis not farcry again?

Actually they are making a far cry 2. Crysis is something different.

[Vornesoul]

They only make games on remote tropical islands.

Other than the visuals, both games look like a real /yawn fests. Pretty standard FPS

[Darthturk]

No only crysis will be, Far Cry 2 you can get an area of africa to walk around in and you can more or less do what you want... follow the plot line or just run around killing innocent villagers :P or so i understand from reading :P

[xpert434]

finish the game the best plot twist in gaming history happens 75% through

[EvilMadHatter]

One of the great points of this game is the story, the farther you go you dig further into what really happened to Rapture. coming up to the end I get more and more excited eachtime I find a new tape to unravle it a little more.

[lurchibald]

finish the game the best plot twist in gaming history happens 75% through

i agree, i was thinking on a totally different tangent to what it actually was

[Bioshafted]

I don't think it is "sucky", it is quite good. It has its' faults like any other game, but the gameplay is pretty fun and the graphics are quite nice.

Crysis will be good I am sure, the next game for me would be Assassins Creed. But I will need to upgrade my PC for that one massively :(. I need a better job.

[SliderFury]

i agree, i was thinking on a totally different tangent to what it actually was

Would you kindly ;)

[BaVoBa]

I have to agree that this isn't the revolutionary gameplay like it was advertised. You still have to shoot stuff, and the plasmid thing is basically magic as seen in other games.

Still, you got a great, great, greater than great story which will make you gasp and leave you speechless at some points later in the game, and the overall top-notch atmosphere and design/art values. I would say that nothing of this is really new, but was never put together so well in any game before.

[greylantern]

the left hand/ right hand thing does seem like general 'magic' - reminds me of Clive Barker's undying which had similar thing (weapon or ability).

The other parts that stand out are already in System Shock 2 (using the envrionement in your favour inc security stuff)

The quirky stuff (telekinis) is a rip of the gravity gun from HL2.

The main thing is the game's theme which is one of the best I've ever experienced, I love the idea of Rapture and the excecution of it in game is almost close to perfect. WHich is why all the little niggles really stand out.

The overhyped reviews didn't help at all. never do (they help sales and pre sales but not the players perception of the final game, but who cares about that eh? :rolleyes: )

Still waiting on the one revolutionary game that changes the landscape of gaming forever and it's not Bioshock (even though it's one of the best games in it's genre) and I doubt it will be any game for the next 5 years. The technology still isn't there yet to support the overblown expectations we all have as future-thinking gamers.

Now being 'fully immersed' in a Rapture like environment in the literal sense of the word (stereoscopic graphics, head tracking, full haptics suit and sense of touch and smell) would be a giant leap forward. Until we have that technology games are always going to be a bunch of pixels on a 2D screen trying the best they can.

[pezza]

I think it's the best looking game on 360 so far, it brings magic and weapons into a fresh perspective and the physics and AI are very solid. When you think about it you have a man in an old divers suit walking around in air inside the city protecting a blood sucking little girl that he's found in a hole in the wall with a syringe! but you still buy into the feel of the game and the story because it uses familiar subject matter in an innovative way. As far as atmospherics go, you can't hope for much better at least you have to think a little about how to take out certain enemies, my only gripe would be the splicers are pretty samey and die like regular foes in most games. Maybe too much focus was on the big daddies? A milestone achievement none the less and should be game of the year me thinks.

[Grimhound]

You cannot say physics manipulation is a ripoff of Half-Life 2's Gravity Gun. Honestly, it'd be comparable to saying that nobody would've ever made an atomic bomb if Oppenheimer hadn't of been involved. Or that relativity would still be unknown if Einstein hadn't of gotten at it.

[winternight]

This is so far from a revolutionary game...

I really wonder if all the reviewers that gave this 10/10 and said it was a revolutionary step in gaming have played any games in the last 10 years...

Bioshock has nice graphics. Thats about it.

I find it highly ironic that one of the main themes, "A man chooses, a slave obeys." exactly describes this game. You get to make a single choice in the whole game, with everything else you are a slave to the railroad tracks the devs put you on.

Deus Ex, a game that Bioshock so obviously and heavily draws on for its tonic system, is so much the better game. Deus Ex is a man's game, Bioshock is a slave's game.

Hexen had plasmids, sorry I meant magic.

Photos, well its a nice touch, brings me back to watching my kid brother play Pokemon Snap.

Bioshock is standard, on rails, shooter fare. The graphics are gorgeous though.

[Zanderat]

Srsly, when i read about this i where like "OMG! i just have to get this game!!!" so i went to buy it... now i feel like i wasted my money... they promise alot but this is just another, Do this. shoot something do that, shoot something. I had hoped for more story and perhabs just 1 friendly that doesnt die?

I gotta admit i havent finished the game yet, but i really dont find it as funny as i would want it to be.... I find it just to be another remake of quake 4 or doom 3... lots of hallsways filled with bodys, blood and monsters to shoot... where is the good story? Where is what was supposed to make this game so diffrent? Yes there is the little girls and special power things... its just not enough i think..

I think it IS just you. ;)

[lurchibald]

Would you kindly ;)

I know! i was like WTF Mate? :D (http://f0rked.com/flash/v=endoftheworld)

[Zanderat]

Sgtshock, i have been going everywhere i can find.. (i think? :P) And it doesnt make the game anymore fun.. just makes it take longer and forces me to kill more... yeah i get bigger weapons and stuff and the monsters also get bigger... but still where is the storry? You gotta love the Doom 3 PDA system.. way better then this tape stuff... :)

Right there. PDA's in a game set in 1960? How old are you?:cool:

[xpert434]

Just you bioshock is the best game on the 360 today

[Bioshock_FTW!]

my expectations were enormous for this game so the first run through was kinda disappointing so I can kinda agree with you.
BUT i'm on my second run and it's much more casual, and therefor MUCH more fun since I no longer have expectations, and I have the time and interest to locate every hidden thing there is to find.

[gurugeorge]

Srsly, when i read about this i where like "OMG! i just have to get this game!!!" so i went to buy it... now i feel like i wasted my money... they promise alot but this is just another, Do this. shoot something do that, shoot something. I had hoped for more story and perhabs just 1 friendly that doesnt die?

I gotta admit i havent finished the game yet, but i really dont find it as funny as i would want it to be.... I find it just to be another remake of quake 4 or doom 3... lots of hallsways filled with bodys, blood and monsters to shoot... where is the good story? Where is what was supposed to make this game so diffrent? Yes there is the little girls and special power things... its just not enough i think..

Listen to all the diaries you pick up; the story comes from them and from looking at the environment - e.g. posters, etc. - (there are a lot of diaries in the game - you have to explore a lot to get the full story, there are lots of nooks and crannies with diaries hidden in them). You have to piece the story together yourself by listening to the diaries and checking back on clues in the radio transmissions, in combination with the diaries.

Also, part of the fun of the game is using the gene bank and switching between different combinations of plasmids, and using different combos of plasmids (both active and passive) and weapons to despatch your foes in creative ways, using the research camera to get some hefty bonuses and plasmids you can't get any other way, etc., etc.

You can play it like a straightforward shooter, but that is indeed the most boring way to play it.

[MosesMonster]

I am not sure what the initial poster is trying to proclaim. There are parts where he wants story, then parts where he wants sandbox, ragging on both sections of the game. The mere fact that he does not see the story developing gives me some indication that He might not be playing the game immersively or even to the extent of a normal FPS.

Starcraft 2 having moral decisions? Hell, a RTS having moral decisions. That will be the day Apple gets into the gaming world(joke). I have never played any RTS game where the goal went beyond, Kill the enemy, advance to the next level.

For me, I felt the story from the get-go. From the start of the game, you are thrown into this horrible situation and from there are told to survive. You have your buddy Atlas giving you directions, pleading you to help him save his wife and child, helping you along the way, explaining things as you go. You are told, through Atlas' eyes, what happened to Rapture and you experience, through your eyes, the devastation that has happened. Through the tapes, you find out more information. And that is where the sub-story comes from, what happened to Rapture. That is what those tapes are for. The main story is literally the game itself. I can't see how you are missing the story and still progressing in the game. Sure, there are no cut-scenes to stop you and take you out of the moment to sit back and watch, but that is because you are experiencing everything first hand. If you are getting to the later levels of the game, you are playing the story, it is as simple as that.

[cantoi]

I have to agree that BioShock breaks the FPS mold in many ways. There are a few things I didn't care for (the $500 limit?) but overall it just kicks ass.

Now of course you are entitled to your own views, but like many have said here: take your time, look around, and be creative. No game is perfect (yet) but this one just has more to offer than your average FPS.

So, to answer your original question: Yes, I think it's just you.

Just my 2 cents. Sorry you're disappointed. You could have tried the demo first too.

[AJ Rimmer]

I have to agree that BioShock breaks the FPS mold in many ways. There are a few things I didn't care for (the $500 limit?) but overall it just kicks ass.

Now of course you are entitled to your own views, but like many have said here: take your time, look around, and be creative. No game is perfect (yet) but this one just has more to offer than your average FPS.

So, to answer your original question: Yes, I think it's just you.

Just my 2 cents. Sorry you're disappointed. You could have tried the demo first too.

ahh but the demo can give the wrong impression,as it did for me.

but reading tip n experiences like his and yours etc has changed my view.
a simple one liner like >

but this one just has more to offer than your average FPS
can completly change an expectation. ;)

[Nuro]

It's a very good game even if it does fall short of a few promises it makes, mainly those pertaining to the whole 'choice' thing in-game.

It could use a tiny bit more here and there but overall I think it does live up to the hype and is worth the money. Unlike Halo 3, which is almost guaranteed to be worse than everyone is anticipating thanks to the over hyping going on. @_@

That's my 2c.

[SliderFury]

It's a very good game even if it does fall short of a few promises it makes, mainly those pertaining to the whole 'choice' thing in-game.

It could use a tiny bit more here and there but overall I think it does live up to the hype and is worth the money. Unlike Halo 3, which is almost guaranteed to be worse than everyone is anticipating thanks to the over hyping going on. @_@

That's my 2c.

Agree. There was alot of buzz going on saying this was going to be the perfect game, and though I usually don't fall for that kind of stuff, I feel for it a little this time, so I was A LITTLE disapointed at the game overall. But then I thought, conversely, if I had never heard anything about this game, and decided it looked cool and just picked it off the shelves and played it, I would've had a goddamn heart attack lol. But yeah, BioShock rocks.

[FPSRules]

You have that right!! Bioshock rocks!!!
I see that everybody talks about the storyline and graphics,etc etc...but i don´t see annybody talk about the SOUND!!!:D
Hell...this game as the best sound i have heard in an FPS!!And i played a lot of FPS in my gamer life!!!
Since the shots of weapons,the vocalizations,man those are awesome,everything sound damn good!!!
And for those lucky ones who have eax souncards(like me :D ),it´s freakin awesome!!!
The sound of this game rocks since the beggining,from the part we encounter the first slicer and those words:"Someone new?!" and the "I´ll wrap you in a sheet".
From the beggining i saw that i´m was seeing and earing a great game.:)
I saw that somebody earlier(don´t recall who,and i´m too lazy to find it),talked about far Cry...well for me Far Cry sucked from start to end...damn difficult and had the stupidiest thing,that for me killed it,no choice saving,only pre-determined ones,and that sucked because,in certain parts,especially in end,we have to repeats countless times the same game part,and this is a huge SUCKZOOR!!!:rolleyes:

[Grayvern]

I find the comment about Doom 3 funny as Doom 3 blatantly borrowed the audio diary idea from Syshock 2.

[Annihilatus]

Don't piss and moan about it over the internet. Suffer in silence. Bioshock is a near flawless game.
It's not anyone's fault that you have an inability to enjoy such a great game. Instead of running around, walk. Take time to study the surroundings. Learn the story. Learn how to spell entire words.

That last one is entirely irrelevant, but nonetheless.

[Badmagic]

Don't piss and moan about it over the internet. Suffer in silence. Bioshock is a near flawless game.
It's not anyone's fault that you have an inability to enjoy such a great game. Instead of running around, walk. Take time to study the surroundings. Learn the story. Learn how to spell entire words.

That last one is entirely irrelevant, but nonetheless.

You cant walk in the PC version, they should be removing it in a patch for the 360 too as it was not intended to be played like that.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/Lord_Badmagic/ygtbfk.jpg

[rev1]

Srsly, when i read about this i where like "OMG! i just have to get this game!!!" so i went to buy it... now i feel like i wasted my money... they promise alot but this is just another, Do this. shoot something do that, shoot something. I had hoped for more story and perhabs just 1 friendly that doesnt die?

I gotta admit i havent finished the game yet, but i really dont find it as funny as i would want it to be.... I find it just to be another remake of quake 4 or doom 3... lots of hallsways filled with bodys, blood and monsters to shoot... where is the good story? Where is what was supposed to make this game so diffrent? Yes there is the little girls and special power things... its just not enough i think..


im with you this game isnt even on par with dues ex 2

[SliderFury]

You cant walk in the PC version, they should be removing it in a patch for the 360 too as it was not intended to be played like that.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v724/Lord_Badmagic/ygtbfk.jpg

Ahh, but you CAN...if you have a 360 controller for windows like I do. It really is the best of both worlds, you can switch between PC and 360 controls/interfaces very easily, and the best part? The mouse is deactivated when you're using the controller but THE KEYBOARD STILL WORKS (!!!). I put it on my lap and use the numbers and function keys to quick switch weapons and it's GO TIME lol :cool: :D

[SliderFury]

im with you this game isnt even on par with dues ex 2

Would you care to elaborate about said game? Seriously, I've heard of it, but never played it, I heard it was really good, but honestly, it would have to be alot of things to impress me more than BioShock. I know it's an older game, so some of the "wow-factor" is dimished, but still. What made D-Ex 2 kick so much ass?

[Nuro]

Would you care to elaborate about said game? Seriously, I've heard of it, but never played it, I heard it was really good, but honestly, it would have to be alot of things to impress me more than BioShock. I know it's an older game, so some of the "wow-factor" is dimished, but still. What made D-Ex 2 kick so much ass?

Deus Ex was really good, but I don't really understand why people liked DE2 so much, I always thought it was inferior to DE1 even if it did have great graphics.

But to answer the question, the Deus Ex series deserves the credit it gets, they're great games. They're a lot like Bioshock which explains why people compare them so much and in my opinion they offer more freedom than Bioshock. Still, they aren't quite as immersive or beautiful even for their times and the sound just isn't on-par with Bioshock.

Bioshock has its strengths and weaknesses as does the Deus Ex series, I don't think they should be competing for our love. :p

[Dharma]

Srsly, when i read about this i where like "OMG! i just have to get this game!!!" so i went to buy it... now i feel like i wasted my money... they promise alot but this is just another, Do this. shoot something do that, shoot something. I had hoped for more story and perhabs just 1 friendly that doesnt die?

I gotta admit i havent finished the game yet, but i really dont find it as funny as i would want it to be.... I find it just to be another remake of quake 4 or doom 3... lots of hallsways filled with bodys, blood and monsters to shoot... where is the good story? Where is what was supposed to make this game so diffrent? Yes there is the little girls and special power things... its just not enough i think..

its not just you. i thought it was just me haha

[Xiedo]

Bioshock fell short on two key things I enjoy in a game: immersion and challenge. It might have been a mistake to expect those two things in the first place, but because they aren't there Bioshock just doesn't do much for me.

[SliderFury]

Bioshock fell short on two key things I enjoy in a game: immersion and challenge. It might have been a mistake to expect those two things in the first place, but because they aren't there Bioshock just doesn't do much for me.

Wow. What exactly does it take to immerse you?

[Farkhat]

Bioshock fell short on two key things I enjoy in a game: immersion and challenge. It might have been a mistake to expect those two things in the first place, but because they aren't there Bioshock just doesn't do much for me.

(Line reserved for the middle part of The Apocalypse, that might be a bit more challenging and maybe even immersive)

[sygys]

And btw, i do explorer... and i also listen to those tapes and such, i just think it would be cool with more then that... like letters and stuff ;)

Your right about that a little.. but thats not just bioshock.. Sometimes im playing a game and think. why the hell cant i use this door? Why is there always 1 door to the next level? why cant there be 3 doors? and with that choise you get different weapons and items in every level. Making the end map the unique fight.

Im playing bioshock for a few days now, and must say it is very very great! superb graphics especially the water effects! Im not agreeing with you Darth but i know what you are feeling or meaning

Greets John

[Xiedo]

Wow. What exactly does it take to immerse you?

Well, from the sometimes cartoonish graphics (like the little sisters and their anime-like eyes), to the annoying health bars I couldn't turn off, to the expository nature of the audio diaries I was given constant reminders that I was playing a video game.

I have played many games before where I get totally lost not in just the narrative but the whole experience, beginning to end. Not Bioshock. The big picture or overall setting was great, but there were too many distracting, off-putting details for me. Like I said, it just felt too much like a video game at times. I hold a very high (maybe seen as too high) standard for immersion.

[lurchibald]

Well, from the sometimes cartoonish graphics (like the little sisters and their anime-like eyes), to the annoying health bars I couldn't turn off, to the expository nature of the audio diaries I was given constant reminders that I was playing a video game.

I have played many games before where I get totally lost not in just the narrative but the whole experience, beginning to end. Not Bioshock. The big picture or overall setting was great, but there were too many distracting, off-putting details for me. Like I said, it just felt too much like a video game at times. I hold a very high (maybe seen as too high) standard for immersion.

Want real immersion? ok, Walk outside..... Amazing isn't it?:p

[Shadrack]

Hmmm...intresting that wehn you look back and read this thread, Crysis and Farcry are mentioned more than BioShock. Always a bad sign when people are talking about alternative games in a game forum :D

I should probably have read this thread before posting another on on a similar topic. I've been gaming for longer than many of you have been alive. And no I'm not tired of gaming I just dont find this game that interesting. It's very linear, restrictive and has very limited game play. Theres nothing new here. "move along, kill stuff, pick up better weapons to kill tougher enemies" The game play never changes you might as well just have stayed with the pistol at the start of the game killing weak enemies. Ok I haven't finished the game yet, no where near. But I hope something interesting happens soon or it's going back in the box and I'll play Far Cry again for the umpteenth time.

[conantheking]

Want real immersion? ok, Walk outside..... Amazing isn't it?:p

ZOMG! It works, I feel as if I am actually walking outside :eek:

[Nuro]

Hmmm...intresting that wehn you look back and read this thread, Crysis and Farcry are mentioned more than BioShock. Always a bad sign when people are talking about alternative games in a game forum :D

I should probably have read this thread before posting another on on a similar topic. I've been gaming for longer than many of you have been alive. And no I'm not tired of gaming I just dont find this game that interesting. It's very linear, restrictive and has very limited game play. Theres nothing new here. "move along, kill stuff, pick up better weapons to kill tougher enemies" The game play never changes you might as well just have stayed with the pistol at the start of the game killing weak enemies. Ok I haven't finished the game yet, no where near. But I hope something interesting happens soon or it's going back in the box and I'll play Far Cry again for the umpteenth time.

The greatness of this game lies in its ending I think. While the ending doesn't provide dramatic changes to the gameplay, the storyline makes it worthwhile and really enriches the experience.

Well, that's my opinion anyway.

[Grayvern]

The storyline is better than the vast majority of written Sci Fi fiction.

Better in many ways because the audio logs leave the spaces for imagination. To play Bioshock you need to engage with it to think about it.

Its like a novel if you dont imagine whats happening and skim read youll gain very little.

(on a final snobbish note what do we expect when so many buy a game thats the bastard son of one of the greatest niche games of all time)

[Eternalnow]

Bioshock is amazing.

If you want real violence, go enlist.

[Gibbet]

The game is lacking, I cant be bothered to champion the storyline because honestly it doesnt ingross me.

The tactical choices are bland and obvious. nothing new to see here.

[AJ Rimmer]

Bioshock is amazing.

If you want real violence, go enlist.

or a british pub...any saturday night :D

but i find games scratch the same itch without a night in the cells or a huge hangover next day ;)

[Gibbet]

Bioshock is amazing.

If you want real violence, go enlist.

Or just be a civillian in this climate of terrorism...


Idiots shouldnt post.

[greylantern]

my expectations were quite high I guess. I thought all the 'usual' bases would be covered and then the excellence (gameplay) would be layered on top. So many seemingly small issues combine to make this game dissapointing for me. I'm sure once it's patched up a bit and I get to play it fully through it will be better (seeing how I hear the best part is past half way) but even before then there is an overall 'roughness' in the game that really irks me when lesser games don't do that.

So what do I expect from 'good' games (not even 10/10 'best game ever' games)?

I would expect excellence in level design and not seemingly roughly thrown together environments that make little sense and are not trimmed up properly (see a good online shooter like Unreal Tournament 2k4 for trimmed up levels). Too many places in the environment of rapture looks like it wasn't fully polished. Certain areas look stunning while others look very basic/shoddy by comparision. Texture changes without trim, misaligned textures, too 'busy' in places and not busy enough in others (flat walls for ages then 'one over detailed sparkly doorway'), that's the kind of thing begining level designers are told to avoid... 10/10 reviews led me to believe that would be something I wouldn't need to worry about.

I would expect tight controls and PC centric design for a game from a genre that was invented on the PC.

I would expect animation and physics to be at least on a par with games from a couple of years ago (HL2, D3), bioshock feels flimsy and lightweight. Partly due to the finicky controls, mainly due to the animation of NPCs and all the stuff that makes a game feel 'real'

I expect sound to not cut out because too many channels are being used up in firefights, again a 'basic' that should be taken for granted these days.

I expected better A.I than just 'see player and attack', and I HOPED for enemies from the very start that would be creepy and intimidating and not laughable. These party goers with masks on are feeble, their voices don't match the era (their words esp), their animations are weak and they lack real variety. They also feel comical which ruins the sense of despair in them that I thought 2k were going for.

I didn't expect a game by (ex) irrational to be so biased towards the console version to the detriment of the PC version.

I didn't expect a game so long in development to have so many quirks and bugs that users like me are spending hours trying to work around in .ini files and 3rd party 'fixes'.

I didn't expect the big daddies and little sisters to become so 'passe' after the first few encounters, but they are because they go through the motions and lack variety again (esp the little sisters).


There is PLENTY that I do like about the game, but you all know the good stuff already, and it's mostly in the gameplay and the story where Bioshock scores better than most First Person Shooters, but that doesn't gloss over all the downsides to make it 'the best game ever' or even close to how good it appeared in reviews.

I do have high standards and very few games impress me and I know i'm in the minority on this, the sad part is Bioshock lets itself down with easily fixable problems and an avoidable 'rough around the edges' feel that more solid but possibly less ambitious games don't.

I don't think the fault would lie with the ideas or the vision, the story or the theme. I do think it firmly lies with the technical problems and the lack of extra mile polish in areas where some gamers (like me) notice things and immersion is lessened.

I also think some of the environments are overdone and don't belong in a first person shooter, they lack consistency and again feel like they were made just to support a story/theme rather than to enhance ergonomics and gameplay.

There is also an over reliance on scripted stuff to achieve 'personality' which would be fine (most games do it) but Bioshock wasn't hyped that way, the best /memorable stuff is mostly scripted and plays out the same each time you attempt it. The rest is general run and gun+magic that has been done countless times before but with more cohesive/solid environments.

I just don't get the feeling that all the people involved were pulling in the same direction, I think Ken Levine's concept was sound and his intentions honourable.

I think that concept was let down in the areas of coding (bugs, physics), level design (badly textured, ill thought out mesh placement, mistakes) and playtesting (too easy overall, less choice than was implied), animations (characters and props seem feathery, light weight and unconvincing... not up to 'current standards')

I think it was supported (enhanced) in the areas of textures (quality and theme), audio (not audio bugs but music, general effects), and sometimes glimpses of brilliance.

I guess I'm trying to say it feels to me an inconsistent game. On the one hand you have the great Bid Daddy/little sister thing going on which is one of the most memorable FPS enemy combos ever... on the other you have 'a bunch of junkie clowns' who you don't care about. On one hand you have stunning immersive devices like the water rising, water coming into the tunnel near the start, on the other you have badly texture rooms that look like afterthoughts.

I put this down to it being a very ambitious game and possibly some lack of concrete leadership overseeing the whole show. It has to be, because if it were my baby and I wanted to bring this grandiose concept to life, and give life to 'rapture' I couldn't bear to see the many corners cut and the lack of polish in so many areas.

Many other games have attempted far less but achieved it fully, Bioshock attemps more but misses several targets, and that is why it's so obvious because the core game screams out for excellence in all depts but it didn't get it.

I would now be donning my flame suit but I don't really care if anyone thinks i'm talking crap, I had the same feelings about HL2 (also overated) but it does far more things RIGHT than it does wrong. I can't say that about Bioshock at the moment which pains me because I had been waiting for this game as long as anyone being a SS2 fan. It never occured to me they would allow sub par elements to be passed, I think console deadlines may have played a part but I guess we'll never know for sure.

If Bioshock 2 fixes everything wrong with this game and delivers what was promised then great, that will possibly be 'the best game ever' but for now this is merely a 'great game with some flaws'.

[FPSRules]

LOL...
You all made crack myself up!!
1st of all,Bioshock is the spiritual sucessor of System Shock 2,if you want to compare it,compare with SS2 or SS1,not to the whole range of FPS like you guys do,like Deus Ex and lol...Far Cry!!:eek:,imo Far Cry was the stupidiest FPS appeared in the last years,because of dumb AI,same boring scenarios(islands,islands and islands),terrible hard,and for having the most stupid thing in a FPS...no free save,for me,this kill it!
Secondly,this game in comparison to SS2,is a great leap in forward,tecnically it´s almost the same,saving some diferences,same hub based levels,upgrades for weapons,etc,but has a big diference...the game in itself!This is a utopia game,much in like Thief series,that twistes reallity with fantasy,that´s the main diference from the cyber-punk SS2.And it´s a well concieved game in it´s all,nothing diferent from 2k advertised! if you guys got disapointed with the game,had read the reviews,ít´s all there!!
3rdly the SOUND!!!:cool: ,you cannot enjoy the game,you cannot enjoy the graphics and plot,but surelly you love the sound of it!!This game has the most incredible sound that i ever heard in a game,and for whom have eax souncards(like myself),this game rocks!!,the vocalizations are the best i ever heard...some movies has worse sound that this game has...yeah i know what some of you guys gonna say..."cool sound,but they aren´t scary...",not intended to be,this game it´s all for tension and get you nervous like hell and do mistakes,not for terrifying annybody,and the ecellent thing that this game has a huge amount,TENSION!, i´ll bet none of you played this game relaxed,always in tension mode,thinking what gonna appear next,and i´ll bet to,that everytime you saw a little sister,you said "S***,i´ll have to find a place to hide!!":D ,or at least the first times...
A last note,we all have played games "horror" games,in scenarios in middle age,in future,actuallity,but none of them has this art dêco 50´s style,and that is a killer in this game.
PS. Sorry for my english,it´s not my main languasge,cause i´m Portuguese,so you see...hehe ;)

[quikslivr]

i finished the game and got one of the alternate endings, im plaayin thru again to get the other, but there really is an immersive story if you search everywhere, collecting radios, and instead of attacking at ffirst sight of an enemy stay back and hidden, and listen to them interac with other splicers and the world around them, it was an awesome game and still will be