Bioshock Infinite Discussion (Spoilers?)

[Adam Addict L]

so assuming that...when was columbia built?

I don't think we've been given that info yet....but I could be wrong...but...I think the only clue to that is,Elizabeth has been held captive in Columbia a few years or so before our protagonist gets there

[Blue Lightning]

Ken said Columbia was built around the turn of the century (1900). So it would be about 12 years old when we get there.

[Codex]

I don't think we've been given that info yet....but I could be wrong...but...I think the only clue to that is,Elizabeth has been held captive in Columbia a few years or so before our protagonist gets there


Ken said Columbia was built around the turn of the century (1900). So it would be about 12 years old when we get there.

It was built for the 1867 Chicago Worlds Fair, hence the 1867 World's Fair model in the fish tank.

[IllusionOfLife]

It was built for the 1867 Chicago Worlds Fair, hence the 1867 World's Fair model in the fish tank.

My understanding was that it was introduced in 1867, but didn't launch until closer to 1900. I may be wrong, but I seem to recall them saying that the plans for Columbia were unveiled at the World's Fair but it didn't set sail until later.

[Codex]

My understanding was that it was introduced in 1867, but didn't launch until closer to 1900. I may be wrong, but I seem to recall them saying that the plans for Columbia were unveiled at the World's Fair but it didn't set sail until later.

From what I got from that it flew off in 1867... I may be wrong though, I got the feeling that the "event" that set it getting in to trouble took place then.

[Blade_Runner]

My understanding was that it was introduced in 1867, but didn't launch until closer to 1900. I may be wrong, but I seem to recall them saying that the plans for Columbia were unveiled at the World's Fair but it didn't set sail until later.

Elizabeth was taken there when she was a child and she looks like she's in her 20's and the year is 1912 so im thinking that Columbia was made the 1890's

[Blue Lightning]

Does anyone who has brushed up on their turn of the century history know what the political situation was leading up to 1912?

William Taft was president (March 4, 1909 – March 4, 1913). Immigration was a huge issue, and there was a large anti-immigration sentiment (except for immigration from northren and westren Europe). This explains the anti-immigration posters we saw in Columbia.

President Taft angred many even in his own party with the "Dollar Diplomacy" act, which basically said the US could make loans to South American countries, in return the US could "intervene" in their buisness for the purpose of security of the westren hemiphere. At first peaceful, it quickly became non-peaceful, sometimes resulting in the overthrowing of a foreign goverment. It really was Americas beggining of what we now know as "nation building".

Also, the 16th amendment (income tax) was passed under President Taft and it was ratified and put into the constitution in 1913. This did not bode well with the American population. Worse, the Federal Reserve was created and then in 1913 made official. It was said that it would control cyclical recessions and also ween America off of the gold standard. It did take us off the gold standard 1971, and it did not prove sucessful at controling cyclical recessions...but it did create periods of currency inflation.

So there was a lot of anger toward goverment around 1912 as you can see. It was a period that Americans thought the goverment was taking the country "off track". Also of course, the "unsinkable" Titanic sank in April 1912 which shocked the world.

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Yeah and Elizabeth they said has been stuck up in Columbia for 15 odd years or something like that and she doens't know why she is stuck up there so you are trying to get her out and she works with you and I guess is a helpful AI just not a person on a radio or behind a glass.

[Invader]

So outright calling people idiots and morons and whiners when they don't completely and utterly agree with your own separate opinion is "well worded"? O:
Okay.

The word moron in his post bounced off my mind, while the rest soaked in. >_<

[adam&eve]

im not sure i like this bioshock idea bioshock isnt bioshock without rapture i dont know how this will pan out and a prequel too hmmm i hope they prove me wrong

[Judgeofwings]

I was looking around for any news and i stumbled across this article,it's pretty silly trying to connect Elizabeth to the virgin mary,but still its a good read,if not hilarious,thought it would make for good discussion.Speculate away!

http://www.dailygrail.com/blogs/red-pill-junkie/2010/8/BioShock-Infinity-Videogame-Fortean-Memes

[gamertam]

Question: so is or is it not that Columbia in the same universe with Rapture?., Now there's uncertainty about that. Would anyone like to clarify on the subject with creditable sources and so on? I don't want to sound like a fool who just... blah blah blah without any proof. :p

[gmans94]

im not sure i like this bioshock idea bioshock isnt bioshock without rapture i dont know how this will pan out and a prequel too hmmm i hope they prove me wrong

I really like the new setting. Partly because I like the time period, and partly because it's a new place. To be honest, I don't think that there was much left that they could do with Rapture (seeing as it had been disgustingly run down, and then partly sunk into the abyss of the ocean).

If they had decided to continue with Rapture, I would've been disappointed.

I have much faith in Columbia.

[october_midnight]

Interview with lead Irrational artist Shawn Robertson:

"For us BioShock was always bigger than the city of Rapture and we did set off to create a BioShock game. There's more, like I said, there's more to BioShock then just Rapture."

http://www.ugo.com/games/was-bioshock-infinite-always-a-bioshock-game?cmpid=sm_tw_ugo_jbh_twugodotcom

[Rapture-704]

I do hope that this next bioshock game will be as good or better than the others. Another friend of mine thinks they may have messed it up. But who cares? Bioshock is awsome.

[Vaughan]

I was looking around for any news and i stumbled across this article,it's pretty silly trying to connect Elizabeth to the virgin mary,but still its a good read,if not hilarious,thought it would make for good discussion.Speculate away!

http://www.dailygrail.com/blogs/red-pill-junkie/2010/8/BioShock-Infinity-Videogame-Fortean-Memes

actually this is a very interesting read. It's great to hear about such insightful ideas about the game even based off of one trailer.

[gmans94]

Question: so is or is it not that Columbia in the same universe with Rapture?., Now there's uncertainty about that. Would anyone like to clarify on the subject with creditable sources and so on? I don't want to sound like a fool who just... blah blah blah without any proof. :p

It isn't specified, but an interview on cnet said,

"So does BioShock Infinite take place in the same universe as the original?
Gerritsen wouldn't comment specifically, but did say that everything we saw in the trailer--the Big Daddy references and all--was there for a reason. Keep in mind that BioShock Infinite takes place around 50 years before the original BioShock and its city of Rapture."

Here is the Interview (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20013473-1.html)

[Camaleos]

Is a man not entitled to his freedom? No, says the man in Washington, he must obey the state. No, says the man in the Vatican, he must resign to God's will. No, says the man in Moscow, he must accept his leader ideals. I understood those answers. And then, I chose to formalize it myself. I chose the eugenics. I chose...

...Columbia.

A city where the poor is sent to fly among the birds,
where ignorance is banned through violence,
where the outsiders are welcomed with hostility.

And if your blood is pure enough, Columbia can become your city, as well.

[IllusionOfLife]

"Gerritsen wouldn't comment specifically, but did say that everything we saw in the trailer--the Big Daddy references and all--was there for a reason.

Yeah, the reason was to tease the viewer into thinking they were returning to Rapture, they go into more detail in Irrational Behavior, Episode 7 (http://irrationalgames.com/insider/irrational-behavior-episode-7-part-2/).

[Rapture-704]

I wonder how the story line will go and what enemy charachters they will include in infinite? Any opinions?

[october_midnight]

The one thing that is of course sure, is that the thing in the trailer isn't a 'big daddy':

IGLevine - BTW, the dude with the hands in the BioShock Infinite trailer is so NOT a Big Daddy.

[panda rave]

So there I was, speculating the possible storyline of bioshock:infinite, when I realized that the best way to do this was try and find likely inspiration for the city of Columbia. Knowing all too well that Ken was greatly inspired by the classical Utopian literature, when creating the original bioshock ( Atlas shrugged by Ayn Rand ) I turned to my bookshelf in search of books shared common themes with what little we know so far about bioshock: infinite.

here is a list of books which I think the more avid readers among you may want to look into.

The scarlet empire- David maclean
the iron heel- jack london
the sleeper awakes- H.G wells
the shape of things to come- H.G wells ( above all the others because it concerns eugenics, or the science of selective human breeding, something anyone who has watched the trailer will know plays a role in the game )
orion shall rise- poul anderson

bare in mind that I don't own that much utopian/dytopian fiction, so don't expect to be instantly enlightened.

[Blue Lightning]

How about TryoShock?

Or QuadroShock?

Or FlotillaShock?

Or DuoShock? Or TrifectaShock? I can go on all day! :D

(I did like the ShockaLockaLock one kind of, I must admit.)

[Blade_Runner]

Bioshock: Infinite is perfectly fine

[janissary12]

William Taft was president (March 4, 1909 – March 4, 1913). Immigration was a huge issue, and there was a large anti-immigration sentiment (except for immigration from northren and westren Europe). This explains the anti-immigration posters we saw in Columbia.
What I love here is, the anti-immigration ruckus THEN was against a lot of the ancestors of the anti-immigration loudmouths NOW: it was against the Irish, the Eastern Europeans, and out on the West Coast, the Chinese (although I'm sure any Asian, no matter their actual nationality, got hit by that mud).

So, in Mister Levine's continuing Social Studies class, a lot of gamers are going to get exposed to the idea that, gee whillikers, Americans came from all over, and were discriminated against.


At first peaceful, it quickly became non-peaceful, sometimes resulting in the overthrowing of a foreign goverment. It really was Americas beggining of what we now know as "nation building".
There's a frickin' surprise. (Not) Anything we do seems to wind up involving guns, and sooner than later. Guns propping up the profits of corporations.

[janissary12]

Yeah and Elizabeth they said has been stuck up in Columbia for 15 odd years or something like that and she doens't know why she is stuck up there so you are trying to get her out and she works with you and I guess is a helpful AI just not a person on a radio or behind a glass.
Try using a period now and then.

[janissary12]

I really like the new setting. Partly because I like the time period, and partly because it's a new place. To be honest, I don't think that there was much left that they could do with Rapture (seeing as it had been disgustingly run down, and then partly sunk into the abyss of the ocean).
That actually points to a possible retread of Rapture: the protagonist (that's you and me, gamers!) gets there, and at first Rapture seems all repaired and functional! Hurrah!

Gamers wandering around, soaking it in, it's so beautiful....

And THEN......

[janissary12]

Yeah, the reason was to tease the viewer into thinking they were returning to Rapture, they go into more detail in Irrational Behavior, Episode 7 (http://irrationalgames.com/insider/irrational-behavior-episode-7-part-2/).
I especially laughed at 'the drill', which is purposely vague enough to fool the viewer, but is revealed to be a seashell.

Oh, Irrational Games, how you tease! :D

[Codex]

(although I'm sure any Asian, no matter their actual nationality, got hit by that mud).

It was mostly Chinese and Indians at that point in time (Indians from India, not Natives from America). During that period cheap labour was being used to create railroads et al from coast to coast (there are horror stories here in BC from the blasting they had to do to get through the Rockies; we recently just apologized for the Head Tax and other atrocities committed at this point in time). They were all treated pretty darned badly.



Gamers wandering around, soaking it in, it's so beautiful....

And THEN......

A shriek is heard, and out of the darkness appears several hundred wild eyed natives - those who left only to return to protect the ancestral home from desecration of those returning.

"Nay," say they, "this is not our home any longer, for our Gods wrote the scriptures that we take to the air, and therefore our story is no more in the depths, but the heights."

And there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth, and the clack of thousands of keyboards began the great debate once more as to which was truly greater: The dual headed, much maligned bastion Marin, or the one who came before, was conquered and yet reborn, the Irrational one.

The battle will rage for many years, and never shall a true victor be found until one rises out of the masses of combatants to combine the powers of creation into the fabled Irratarin, from which their meeting shall be born the progeny which shall make all other games irrelevant and bring peace unto the forums.

Thus the Codex spaketh of the end days, and therefore it shall be.

[IllusionOfLife]

Thus the Codex spaketh of the end days, and therefore it shall be.

Don't forget that the Demiurge is Ken Levine :rolleyes: :p

[Codex]

Don't forget that the Demiurge is Ken Levine :rolleyes: :p

Nay, foul weaver of the Life illusion! For the great Demiurge shall be tamed and become whole within the Irratiarin, and as has been prophesied shall create the "end game."


This is what happens when I have coffee and several days of good sleep. I apologize.

[X1 BLACKOUT 1X]

Nay, foul weaver of the Life illusion! For the great Demiurge shall be tamed and become whole within the Irratiarin, and as has been prophesied shall create the "end game."


This is what happens when I have coffee and several days of good sleep. I apologize.

What the hell does rant mean? Haha there's another reference!

But seriously, what does that even mean?

[Blade_Runner]

jezus Codex, you need to calm down. take a chill pill

[Codex]

jezus Codex, you need to calm down. take a chill pill

Jezus Blade_Runner, you need to understand a joke when you read one :rolleyes:

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Jezus Blade_Runner, you need to understand a joke when you read one :rolleyes:

Codex why so serious? :p

[X1 BLACKOUT 1X]

Codex why so serious? :p

Joker FTW!

[janissary12]

Codex why so serious? :p
BR's comeback was LAME, that's why. >|^P'''''''

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Joker FTW!

Exactly that didn't just pop into my head about who I was quoting or why until after I posted lol :p

[X1 BLACKOUT 1X]

Exactly that didn't just pop into my head about who I was quoting or why until after I posted lol :p

Haha that's his best quote. I love it

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Haha that's his best quote. I love it

Exactly and I didn't see that movie until around December of last year and only in one of my classes in school that is like 40 minutes long per class and its a pointless goof off class so... I guess it was a good waste of time lol.

[X1 BLACKOUT 1X]

Exactly and I didn't see that movie until around December of last year and only in one of my classes in school that is like 40 minutes long per class and its a pointless goof off class so... I guess it was a good waste of time lol.

I never really understood all the hype for it

[Reborn in the Ocean]

I never really understood all the hype for it

Well I didn't see much hype for it honestly though I heard a lot about it was going to go see it with my dad and then things happened that day and I couldn't so... oh well.

[X1 BLACKOUT 1X]

Well I didn't see much hype for it honestly though I heard a lot about it was going to go see it with my dad and then things happened that day and I couldn't so... oh well.

Well just how many people absolutely loved it. I had one friend spend like $50 seeing it like 8 times

[Codex]

*does her awesome this-thread-is-going-off-topic-why-don't-you-PM-each-other-to-talk-about-the-Dark-Knight dance*

[Reborn in the Ocean]

*does her awesome this-thread-is-going-off-topic-why-don't-you-PM-each-other-to-talk-about-the-Dark-Knight dance*

This is a new dance I have never heard of it before Dex ;) now lets get back to topic bioshock infinite...

[janissary12]

*does her awesome this-thread-is-going-off-topic-why-don't-you-PM-each-other-to-talk-about-the-Dark-Knight dance*
C, the Ignore List is your friend, believe me.

[Pentrage]

I embrace Bioshock: Infinite and irrational's ideas with open arms, at first I was like "wtf is this" but after delving deeper into the information that has been released, I've fallen for Bioshock: Infinite (and elizabeth...) and I realized what irrational is trying to do and I greatly appreciate it.

[Mr.Plum]

I wonder how long it took Irrational to make the cinematic trailer. I'm surprised they did it themselves because most developers usually out-source them to companies that specialize in making cinematics. The only studios I'm aware of that have in-house cinematic departments are Blizzard and Square Enix.

[coolguy4400]

Maybe this has already come up, but i havent been following this thread too closely...
Is there any where to view the demo that the reporters and stuff got to see?
:confused:

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Maybe this has already come up, but i havent been following this thread too closely...
Is there any where to view the demo that the reporters and stuff got to see?
:confused:

No at the moment I haven't seen any where any youtube video or post on the irrational forums that show the demo that the reporters and such get to see so as for now there isn't anything out there, though in the future there may be.

[Blade_Runner]

I wonder how long it took Irrational to make the cinematic trailer. I'm surprised they did it themselves because most developers usually out-source them to companies that specialize in making cinematics. The only studios I'm aware of that have in-house cinematic departments are Blizzard and Square Enix.

its gotta be one helluva game if Irrational has been working on it for the last couple years and it'll be released in 2012

[Archvile78]

I can already swear the following, i'll find a way to make an enemy fall off Columbia, with a plasmid or something of the sort. 8D

Why? Just for the hell of it of course.

[Blade_Runner]

I can already swear the following, i'll find a way to make an enemy fall off Columbia, with a plasmid or something of the sort. 8D

Why? Just for the hell of it of course.

well yeah, there's probably an achievement for it

[Archvile78]

well yeah, there's probably an achievement for it

That wouldn't surprise me at all. Probably the typical "Throw xx enemies" kind of achievement.

[Blade_Runner]

That wouldn't surprise me at all. Probably the typical "Throw xx enemies" kind of achievement.

yeah, exactly

[Juan29.Zapata]

That wouldn't surprise me at all. Probably the typical "Throw xx enemies" kind of achievement.
As long as it has a funny name and it's actually entertaining to see enemies falling (as much as it's fun to see them burning!). And of course, that it doesn't feel like a chore.

[X1 BLACKOUT 1X]

well yeah, there's probably an achievement for it

Haha that would be like the "Dastardly" achievement from RDR

[Blue Lightning]

What I love here is, the anti-immigration ruckus THEN was against a lot of the ancestors of the anti-immigration loudmouths NOW: it was against the Irish, the Eastern Europeans, and out on the West Coast, the Chinese (although I'm sure any Asian, no matter their actual nationality, got hit by that mud).

Nope, believe it or not the Japanese were welcomed with open arms! It was aimed (on the west coast) at Chinese and Fillipinos. Also there was some kind of law around that time that I know about (but couldnt find in Wiki) about some kind of 3 to 1 law that was passed by congress, stating for every 1 immigrant of color, 3 whites had to immigrate here first.

For Europe, Westren and Northren Euopean immigrants were desired (called "old immigration"), consisting of Germans, English, Dutch, Belgiuns, French, etc. But so called "new immigration" was not as desired, consisting of southren Europe like Greece, Italy, etc, although Italians made their immigration journey in huge numbers in the 1880's.

[janissary12]

Nope, believe it or not the Japanese were welcomed with open arms!
Given the choice, I don't believe it: I rather think that the whites of the turn of the 19th century didn't make fine distinctions among Asian nationalities.

This essay about The Chinese Exclusion Act has some pretty horrifying propaganda graphics from the era:
http://sun.menloschool.org/~mbrody/ushistory/angel/exclusion_act/

While border agents may have enforced exclusion against Chinese nationals specifically, I'm guessing a lot of other Asians were lumped in with them in the minds of the white citizenry.

[Shades]

This thread is going nowhere in a hurry... We need some more information about Infinite if we want to avoid going off-topic again.

[Blue Lightning]

What off topic? The politics are HUGE in relation to Columbia...

Given the choice, I don't believe it: I rather think that the whites of the turn of the 19th century didn't make fine distinctions among Asian nationalities.
Mabye your right in some cases. But overall attitude toward Japan in the early 1900's was very good, as they were freinds with the USA. In fact, after WWI broke out in 1914, Japan was on our side!

Qustion: Is 2k going to publish this game or is Irrational going to go it alone on this one?

[TheEternalOne]

What off topic? The politics are HUGE in relation to Columbia...

Mabye your right in some cases. But overall attitude toward Japan in the early 1900's was very good, as they were freinds with the USA. In fact, after WWI broke out in 1914, Japan was on our side!

Qustion: Is 2k going to publish this game or is Irrational going to go it alone on this one?

I'm pretty sure it's 2K published.

[FeIonious]

I'm putting a link - to a post I made on Irrational's forums , it deals with who I think could have been used for inspiratione for the character Elizabeth in Bioshock Infinite. Feel free to check it out and post your thoughts if you want.

http://irrationalgames.com/community/forums/bioshock-infinite-general-discussion/elizabeth-inspired-by-elizabeth-wharton-drexel

[Rapture_Tourist]

New video interview with Bioshock: Infinite Lead Artist Shawn Robertson:

http://www.beautyofgames.com/articles/news/64-design/194-gamescom-2010-bioshock-infinite-interview

[Mr.Plum]

Qustion: Is 2k going to publish this game or is Irrational going to go it alone on this one?

If I'm not mistaken, Take-Two Interactive will publish the game. 2K Games (Irrational Games) is developing it.

[Ryans Rapture]

If I'm not mistaken, Take-Two Interactive will publish the game. 2K Games (Irrational Games) is developing it.

Nice 600th post. Sure, it has nothing to do with anything. And probably no one noticed it. But I did, and thats all that matter's...

Anyway, Bioshock Infinite I think is very controversial on whether it should link the story of Rapture and Columbia together. I personally think it should at least add in some minor tidbits rather than just have no connection what-so-ever. I mean c'mon, there ripping off the Bioshock world already. Why not make a reference for the future?

[Blade_Runner]

Nice 600th post. Sure, it has nothing to do with anything. And probably no one noticed it. But I did, and thats all that matter's...

Anyway, Bioshock Infinite I think is very controversial on whether it should link the story of Rapture and Columbia together. I personally think it should at least add in some minor tidbits rather than just have no connection what-so-ever. I mean c'mon, there ripping off the Bioshock world already. Why not make a reference for the future?

you mean like an easter egg? I don't know why people have such a hard time with Bioshock: Infinite, its not going to change

[janissary12]

New video interview with Bioshock: Infinite Lead Artist Shawn Robertson:

That's so crappy, I'm not even leaving in the URL.

We have GOT to start giving these 'web journalists' crap about their TERRIBLE FRACKIN' AUDIO. Buy a goddamn microphone you hacks.

[Ryans Rapture]

you mean like an easter egg? I don't know why people have such a hard time with Bioshock: Infinite, its not going to change

I don't have a problem with Bioshock Infinite? In fact, im all for it. I think after the first two games of being in Rapture. It's time for a change of pace while they think up ideas for the actual Bioshock 3! It was nice re-visiting Rapture again, but as tons of people said. Not only were you a Big daddy which gave away creepiness of being alone. You were also given bigger areas which added on to not being alone. And last, this is the second time weve seen Rapture. Which you already know just how alone you are.

So as far as the "intertwining" of stories goes. I don't neccessarily mean an easter egg or two. I mean obvious signs of Rapture perhaps being born. But not making it too significant so that it doesnt mess with the plot for the new game. Have it just in the backgroud, or you know what? Now that I think about it. I wouldn't mind having an easter egg or two in there. That would be interesting and fun to spot out. Anyway, so as to not ramble on. Sorry for the misunderstanding. But I am definitely not against Bioshock: Infinite.

[Rapture_Tourist]

That's so crappy, I'm not even leaving in the URL.

We have GOT to start giving these 'web journalists' crap about their TERRIBLE FRACKIN' AUDIO. Buy a goddamn microphone you hacks.

Since its my own non-profit website and the interview I did, I just like to say I would prefer to have an interview with bad audio instead of having none. And I listened to videos with even worse audio quality.

[october_midnight]

Return to Rapture someday? Levine says 'never say never'.

http://www.1up.com/news/levine-hasnt-ruled-out-rapture

[IllusionOfLife]

Return to Rapture someday? Levine says 'never say never'.

Don't get too excited kiddies, that's just fancy talk for "corporate 2K thinks that Rapture might still have potential so I'm not allowed to say anything that would conflict with their opinion.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he was sincere about his attachment to Rapture, but I don't see Irrational going back anytime soon, it's just not their style.

[xPOORGUYx]

Return to Rapture someday? Levine says 'never say never'.

http://www.1up.com/news/levine-hasnt-ruled-out-rapture

well thats good news:)

[Shades]

Return to Rapture someday? Levine says 'never say never'.

http://www.1up.com/news/levine-hasnt-ruled-out-rapture

That's good news, but with Infinite in the works, returning to Rapture could take a little while.

[splicerslasher1696]

definately if its as good as bioshock 2

[splicerslasher1696]

it will be great if its as good as bioshock 2:cool:

[Blade_Runner]

That's good news, but with Infinite in the works, returning to Rapture could take a little while.

unless 2K Marin takes up the reigns again

[IllusionOfLife]

unless 2K Marin takes up the reigns again

Which I find much more likely. Like I said above, I know the industry well enough to realize that the statement was at least partially "corporate wants me to say this, so I am." It's very rare that a studio, film, game, or otherwise, will rule out the potential of a sequel.

For example, M. Night Shyamalan made a great movie called Unbreakable back when he could still make decent movies, and everyone knows that there will never be a sequel, but whenever asked Bruce Willis, will politely say, "well there's no plans at the moment, but if the right script comes along I'd be willing." He knows just as well as any of us that there will never be a sequel and if there was it'd probably be awful, but he still leaves the possibility so that Touchstone doesn't beat down his door.

Now, don't get me wrong, I do want another game in Rapture, I just realize that, despite what he says, Ken Levine doesn't, at least not right now.

[TheEternalOne]

Which I find much more likely. Like I said above, I know the industry well enough to realize that the statement was at least partially "corporate wants me to say this, so I am." It's very rare that a studio, film, game, or otherwise, will rule out the potential of a sequel.

For example, M. Night Shyamalan made a great movie called Unbreakable back when he could still make decent movies, and everyone knows that there will never be a sequel, but whenever asked Bruce Willis, will politely say, "well there's no plans at the moment, but if the right script comes along I'd be willing." He knows just as well as any of us that there will never be a sequel and if there was it'd probably be awful, but he still leaves the possibility so that Touchstone doesn't beat down his door.

Now, don't get me wrong, I do want another game in Rapture, I just realize that, despite what he says, Ken Levine doesn't, at least not right now.

I doubt Levine will end up making one. I'm pretty sure Marin will, at some point. 2K doesn't want the franchise to die...

[Angelbroken]

I liked everything I seen in the trailer except that stupid woman at the end. . . It's so Disney / Pixar with her lame, comical little "Ah!" and then instantly disappears in the room and the door slams behind her. . . What is this, Bioshock, or Toy Story 4? Come on.

[Mr.Plum]

I liked everything I seen in the trailer except that stupid woman at the end. . . It's so Disney / Pixar with her lame, comical little "Ah!" and then instantly disappears in the room and the door slams behind her. . . What is this, Bioshock, or Toy Story 4? Come on.

Yeah, that's exactly what I disliked as well. It was very cartoonish...
Everything else was great though.

[IllusionOfLife]

I liked everything I seen in the trailer except that stupid woman at the end. . . It's so Disney / Pixar with her lame, comical little "Ah!" and then instantly disappears in the room and the door slams behind her. . . What is this, Bioshock, or Toy Story 4? Come on.

Them's fighting words with me. You're using Pixar as a negative comparison, which is completely ineffective because Pixar has made some of the best films, animated or otherwise, of the last 15 years. I would actually aspire to be compared to Pixar, honestly.

I will admit, that the physics in the trailer are a little bit 'cartoony,' but I'm personally interested in seeing where Irrational is going with that. If they can still achieve an eery and unsettling atmosphere while using a looser animation style I say more power to them. Of course, it may not represent the final game at all, it may just be that the lead animator on the trailer is more comfortable with that style of animation. We just can't know until we see some real gameplay footage.

[Angelbroken]

Them's fighting words with me. You're using Pixar as a negative comparison, which is completely ineffective because Pixar has made some of the best films, animated or otherwise, of the last 15 years. I would actually aspire to be compared to Pixar, honestly.

I will admit, that the physics in the trailer are a little bit 'cartoony,' but I'm personally interested in seeing where Irrational is going with that. If they can still achieve an eery and unsettling atmosphere while using a looser animation style I say more power to them. Of course, it may not represent the final game at all, it may just be that the lead animator on the trailer is more comfortable with that style of animation. We just can't know until we see some real gameplay footage.

Damn straight I am, Pixar is good - if its a CHILDRENS MOVIE. This is Bioshock . . .Rated M. There's no place for 'super cartoony' people with thier 'super cartoony' expressions and cliche "disappear in the dark with a door slamming behind me". The trailer was excellent right up until that point where then my expression went from "Awe" to "Oh boy -facepalm-"

[Mr.Plum]

Them's fighting words with me. You're using Pixar as a negative comparison, which is completely ineffective because Pixar has made some of the best films, animated or otherwise, of the last 15 years. I would actually aspire to be compared to Pixar, honestly.


He's comparing Pixar's animation style, not Pixar's films. Pixar doesn't strive for realism in their work. Everything they do has a cartoonish charm.

[IllusionOfLife]

Damn straight I am, Pixar is good - if its a CHILDRENS MOVIE.

Ok, the gloves are coming off here… It's time for an all out animation nerd rant.

*Ahem* Pixar does NOT make children's movies. Yes, their films are suitable for children, and yes, often times children enjoy them, but it is not the mindless drivel that qualifies as a Children's Movie. Pixar films, especially recently, deal with themes that are far deeper than any children's film would get within spitting distance of. For example, Up dealt with death, miscarriage, divorce/abandonment, murder, depression, and other such themes. Sure it had talking dogs, and brightly colored balloons, but that doesn't change the fact that the film had more depth than any children's movie I can think of. In fact, Up probably spoke more to adults than it did to kids, people who have been around long enough to be affected by these themes, kids may have enjoyed the talking dogs, but it were the adults who were already crying in the first 10 minutes of the film.

This issue is bigger than just Pixar, animation has always had to overcome the hurdle of being perceived as a 'genre' where only certain types of films can be animated, and they can only be aimed at kids. Animation is a medium and any type of story can be told with it. The Simpsons struggled to be recognized alongside other, and in many cases lesser, live-action sitcoms and South Park was often viewed as irresponsible and wrong because of the common misconception that animation is only for kids.

To bring this rant back around to being on topic, this also applies to video games. You know why video games are so often unjustly attacked by the media? Do you know why video games are the favored target to blame for all of society's woes? Because people can't get past the misconception that video games are a toy. Video games, like animation, and like Pixar's films, are art, and art should be able to speak to many different people about many different things. Putting any of these things in a box is not only selling the artists' work shot, but it's also just plain wrong.

I get the point you're trying to make, I really do; you think that a 'cartoony' animation style does not suit the world of BioShock, and I might even be inclined to agree with you, but don't go and make ridiculous, and false, blanket statements like you have been. Besides, most people would have thought that any other environment but Rapture wouldn't suit BioShock, and many people still do, but Irrational is changing that. Why then, should the animation style be a sacred cow when they've clearly stated that there are none? As I said before, if they can achieve an eerie and unsettling atmosphere with a loose, 'cartoony' style, than that's honestly more impressive than accomplishing the same thing with ultra-realism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QPGqqLYSjg
Need I say more?

Besides, as I said before, this might not represent the final game, the animation director of the trailer might just be more comfortable with that style. Until we see gameplay footage, we just don't know.

[Angelbroken]

Ok, the gloves are coming off here… It's time for an all out animation nerd rant.

*Ahem* Pixar does NOT make children's movies. Yes, their films are suitable for children, and yes, often times children enjoy them, but it is not the mindless drivel that qualifies as a Children's Movie. Pixar films, especially recently, deal with themes that are far deeper than any children's film would get within spitting distance of. For example, Up dealt with death, miscarriage, divorce/abandonment, murder, depression, and other such themes. Sure it had talking dogs, and brightly colored balloons, but that doesn't change the fact that the film had more depth than any children's movie I can think of. In fact, Up probably spoke more to adults than it did to kids, people who have been around long enough to be effected by these themes, kids may have enjoyed the talking dogs, but it were the adults who were already crying in the first 10 minutes of the film.

This issue is bigger than just Pixar, animation has always had to overcome the hurdle of being perceived as a 'genre' where only certain types of films can be animated, and they can only be aimed at kids. Animation is a medium and any type of story can be told with it. The Simpsons struggled to be recognized alongside other, and in many cases lesser, sitcoms and South Park was often viewed as irresponsible and wrong because of the common misconception that animation is only for kids.

To bring this rant back around to being on topic, this also applies to video games. You know why video games are so often unjustly attacked by the media? Do you know why video games are the favored target to blame for all of society's woes? Because people can't get past the misconception that video games are a toy. Video games, like animation, and like Pixar's films, are art, and art should be able to speak to many different people about many different things. Putting any of these things in a box is not only selling the artists' work shot, but it's also just plain wrong.

I get the point you're trying to make, I really do; you think that a 'cartoony' animation style does not suit the world of BioShock, and I might even be inclined to agree with you, but don't go and make ridiculous, and false, blanket statements like you have been. Besides, most people would have though that any other environment but Rapture wouldn't suit BioShock, and many people still do, but Irrational is changing that. Why then, should the animation style be a sacred cow when they've clearly stated that there are none? As I said before, if they can achieve an eery and unsettling atmosphere with a lose, 'cartoony' style, than that's honestly more impressive than accomplishing the same thing with ultra-realism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QPGqqLYSjg
Need I say more?

Besides, as I said before, this might not represent the final game, the animation director of the trailer might just be more comfortable with that style. Until we see gameplay footage, we just don't know.

So judging by that HUGE wall of text and some random batman clip, you want a Bioshock cartoon? :rolleyes: Sorry but you completely missed my point. I don't care about Pixar and if its "godliness status" in the public's eye. I don't want Bioshock, something serious and known for creepy atmosphere and environment, turned into some cheesy cartoon.

One can only hope that horrid 5 seconds in the first trailer is ALL we see of this abomination <_< (Because Infinite looks quite good)

[IllusionOfLife]

So judging by that HUGE wall of text and some random batman clip, you want a Bioshock cartoon? :rolleyes:

http://upload.majhost.com/gallery/LofBohrok/Other-Random-Pics/facepalm.jpg

Talk about missing the point… you obviously didn't watch the clip (it took you 3 minutes to respond and the clip is 10), I can only hope that you actually read through all of what I had to say, but judging by your response, I'm going to have to assume that's a no as well.

[Angelbroken]

http://upload.majhost.com/gallery/LofBohrok/Other-Random-Pics/facepalm.jpg

Talk about missing the point… you obviously didn't watch the clip (it took you 3 minutes to respond and the clip is 10), I can only hope that you actually read through all of what I had to say, but judging by your response, I'm going to have to assume that's a no as well.

Well you obviously missed mine and instantly took it as a point to talk about how grand and epic cartoon art can be. Listen - I AGREE WITH YOU. But I'm also saying "There is a time, and a place". I love cartoons. Some of my favorite shows and most memorable video games are rendered in toon-style. But bioshock is NOT one of them. And I certainly would hate to see the creators CHANGE their style halfway through the series. (Often a good sign of overall series-failure and a desperate attempt to 'spice it up')

[TheEternalOne]

So judging by that HUGE wall of text and some random batman clip, you want a Bioshock cartoon? :rolleyes: Sorry but you completely missed my point. I don't care about Pixar and if its "godliness status" in the public's eye. I don't want Bioshock, something serious and known for creepy atmosphere and environment, turned into some cheesy cartoon.

One can only hope that horrid 5 seconds in the first trailer is ALL we see of this abomination <_< (Because Infinite looks quite good)

I have to say, calling it an abomination is going a bit far...

[IllusionOfLife]

Well you obviously missed mine and instantly took it as a point to talk about how grand and epic cartoon art can be.

Apparently you missed part of it, so here, I'll bring it down here, out of context to try and get the point across:


I get the point you're trying to make, I really do; you think that a 'cartoony' animation style does not suit the world of BioShock, and I might even be inclined to agree with you, but don't go and make ridiculous, and false, blanket statements like you have been. Besides, most people would have thought that any other environment but Rapture wouldn't suit BioShock, and many people still do, but Irrational is changing that. Why then, should the animation style be a sacred cow when they've clearly stated that there are none? As I said before, if they can achieve an eerie and unsettling atmosphere with a lose, 'cartoony' style, than that's honestly more impressive than accomplishing the same thing with ultra-realism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QPGqqLYSjg
Need I say more?

Besides, as I said before, this might not represent the final game, the animation director of the trailer might just be more comfortable with that style. Until we see gameplay footage, we just don't know.

[bp13]

To be honest I am kind of disappointed in this new game. I was not done with Rapture yet and I am really saddened by "Bioshock 3" not continuing in rapture. No Big Daddys, Rapture residents, Little sisters anything. In my eyes this is not a true Bioshock game.

[TheEternalOne]

To be honest I am kind of disappointed in this new game. I was not done with Rapture yet and I am really saddened by "Bioshock 3" not continuing in rapture. In my eyes this is not a true Bioshock game.

This isn't Bioshock 3, it's a spin-off. 2K Marin will most likely continue Rapture's story.

[bp13]

This isn't Bioshock 3, it's a spin-off. 2K Marin will most likely continue Rapture's story.

That's good to hear. I hope it will return to Rapture. I actually just registered this account to say that.

[Grathius22]

That's good to hear. I hope it will return to Rapture. I actually just registered this account to say that.

Lol. I did that with my account. Just to say something.

Also... I like your avatar.

[Blade_Runner]

This isn't Bioshock 3, it's a spin-off. 2K Marin will most likely continue Rapture's story.

its not a spin off. its a diiferent story line

[Juan29.Zapata]

To be honest I am kind of disappointed in this new game. I was not done with Rapture yet and I am really saddened by "Bioshock 3" not continuing in rapture. No Bug Daddys, Rapture residents, Little sisters anything. In my eyes this is not a true Bioshock game.
You may not be finished with Rapture, but Irrational is (at least for now). It is a real Bioshock game, because it follows the same "tradition" (ideal city gone wrong, plasmids, machine/creature that resembles a Big Daddy).

To be honest, people are just saying it's not Bioshock because it's not set in Rapture, without seeing even gameplay from the game, and well Levine does know what he's doing, after all he's the creator of the game and he can do whatever he wants with it.

[Blade_Runner]

maybe Rapture ends with Minerva's Den?

[Invader]

maybe Rapture ends with Minerva's Den?

For the one millionth time, Steve said that is not the case.

[Blade_Runner]

For the one millionth time, Steve said that is not the case.

ohhhh, i didnt know that

[TheEternalOne]

its not a spin off. its a diiferent story line

Sorry, I know that. What I meant was, it's not B3.

[Blade_Runner]

Sorry, I know that. What I meant was, it's not B3.

well yeah, its not the threequel to the first Bioshock game

[Adam Addict L]

If I may say something on the comparison of Bioshock to Pixar....instead of quoting a WHOLE BUNCH of multiple quotes,I will simply say this:

If you think it cartoonish of the part in Bioshock:Infinite trailer where the girl gets yanked through the window...I believe there WAS some similiar cartoon-ish things in Bioshock 1. For 1,the Toasty,Duck,and Breadwinner(mostly Ducky and Breadwinner) models looked zombie-ish(not that I think that was a bad thing) and 2. there were moments like in Hephaestus where you saw seemingly dead splicers on the floor,then the lights went off,lights come bacm on and the ''dead'' splicers were gone,which,if you ask me,sounds ODDLY similiar to what happens in the Bioshock Infinite trailer.

With that said,to say that the Bioshock Infinite trailer was somewhat cartoony and Pixar-ish when Bioshock 1 was somewhat cartoon-y to begin with is silly

[Invader]

If I may say something on the comparison of Bioshock to Pixar....instead of quoting a WHOLE BUNCH of multiple quotes,I will simply say this:

If you think it cartoonish of the part in Bioshock:Infinite trailer where the girl gets yanked through the window...I believe there WAS some similiar cartoon-ish things in Bioshock 1. For 1,the Toasty,Duck,and Breadwinner(mostly Ducky and Breadwinner) models looked zombie-ish(not that I think that was a bad thing) and 2. there were moments like in Hephaestus where you saw seemingly dead splicers on the floor,then the lights went off,lights come bacm on and the ''dead'' splicers were gone,which,if you ask me,sounds ODDLY similiar to what happens in the Bioshock Infinite trailer.

With that said,to say that the Bioshock Infinite trailer was somewhat cartoony and Pixar-ish when Bioshock 1 was somewhat cartoon-y to begin with is silly

Just how is BS1 cartoonish? Those characters looked like zombies due to incredible amounts of Splicing. Also, could you show me a pic of Duck and Breadwinner? I only remember Toasty. :o And, what of the "dead" splicers disappearing is like the BS:I trailer? o.0

[Adam Addict L]

Just how is BS1 cartoonish? Those characters looked like zombies due to incredible amounts of Splicing. Also, could you show me a pic of Duck and Breadwinner? I only remember Toasty. :o And, what of the "dead" splicers disappearing is like the BS:I trailer? o.0

I saw it was SOMEWHAT cartoonish in that the some of the models looked zombie-like...and,a person said that it was cartoonish in the Bioshock Infinite trailer where the girl gets yanked inside through the window,and so I am saying it was just as cartoonish in Bioshock one where the ''dead'' splicers disappeared and then reappeared and came after you...granted it was suppose to be a scary moment of the game,and it was...but it was also somewhat cartoon-ish

[Angelbroken]

Ummm. . . how does that scene even come off cartoony in the LEAST? Its a cliche scare-tactic yes, but not cartoony <_< Getting yanked through a window with a dumb-pixar expression on your face and the door slamming behind you, THAT is cartoony. And does not belong in a Bioshock game. Unless of course BS:I is rated E. :rolleyes:

[IllusionOfLife]

THAT is cartoony. And does not belong in a Bioshock game. Unless of course BS:I is rated E. :rolleyes:

:mad: Grr… I'm resisting the urge to launch into another rant, because I know you won't read the whole thing anyway, so I'll give a cliff notes version.

Once again, just because something has a loose, 'cartoony' style DOES NOT mean it's only for little kids. Also I'd like to point out, the whole trailer, not just the part you're complaining about, utilizes cartoon sensibilities in the timing and feel of the animation. The way Booker DeWitt is thrown from the tank, the use of slow motion, and the 'Wile E. Coyote' Physics employed as the rose directly in front of you falls last.

It's stylized, and typically things that are stylized are more appealing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley) than things that aren't. That's the reason why THIS (http://www.majhost.com/gallery/LofBohrok/Other-Random-Pics/syndrome.jpg) is much more appealing than THIS (http://www.majhost.com/gallery/LofBohrok/Other-Random-Pics/polar_express_01.jpg) and even why THIS (http://www.majhost.com/gallery/LofBohrok/Other-Random-Pics/bioshock-2-little-sister-580x326.jpg) is much more appealing than THIS (http://www.majhost.com/gallery/LofBohrok/Other-Random-Pics/bioshock-little-sister-1.jpg). If this trailer does represent the way the animations in game are going to look (which may not even be the case) it shows that Irrational is willing to be bold, not only with the art direction but also with the way the game moves and feels. It's much more exciting to me than if they decided to try to be hyper-real like every other shooter.

[Mr.Plum]

Ummm. . . how does that scene even come off cartoony in the LEAST? Its a cliche scare-tactic yes, but not cartoony <_< Getting yanked through a window with a dumb-pixar expression on your face and the door slamming behind you, THAT is cartoony. And does not belong in a Bioshock game. Unless of course BS:I is rated E. :rolleyes:

I agree with you that it looks cartoonish but you're blowing this way out of proportion. That moment was cringe worthy, I agree. But to go around saying that Bioshock Infinite will be cartoony is completely ridiculous. It's a cinematic trailer for goodness sake. Cinematics don't necessarily resemble the motions/animations in the final game. You can't summarize an entire game based on a two second long, pre-rendered snippet of an otherwise amazing trailer. You'd have a much better argument if it was an actual gameplay trailer.

[Invader]

Meh... Illusion, I just don't think cartoon style belongs in a BioShock game. It's just not true to the series, not because of some animation stereotype...\

(No, I don't think it is what the game'll be like. It was, nonetheless cringeworthy, and influenced my inital hatred toward this game.)

[IllusionOfLife]

Meh... Illusion, I just don't think cartoon style belongs in a BioShock game. It's just not true to the series

I might even agree, to some extent, however. Irrational has said there are no sacred cows, so why should the animation style be one of them? I say if they can achieve the same tone the series is known for by using a more stylized type of animation, that's exciting to me because it will further set it apart from other shooters. That Batman clip I posted a little bit ago is the perfect example, it's cartoony, and it's stylized, but there's no way I'd let my kid watch that.

The animation technique does not effect the tone of the game necessarily, it just effects how it moves. If they can pull it off, I think a looser animation style would benefit the game and make it more distinct and impressive, but if they can't get it to blend seamlessly, than I agree it should get tossed. I trust Irrational to do what's best for the game in the same way I trust Pixar to always do what's best for their films.

[Codex]

To me, the rose bit got across that Elizabeth has to focus so intently on using her powers to that extent. Yes, it was cartoony, but let's dissect it a different way, shall we?

We know that the Handyman makes a large amount of noise when it moves (see earlier in the trailer) and yet she didn't hear it coming. The roses drop first when she is grabbed because, in reality, she isn't really trying to hold them, she's trying to hold Booker. It isn't until her line of sight is broken/range is exceeded that Booker himself falls.

Now, is this cartoony in observation? Sort of. If something like this happens in game, and Booker can scream and yell for her to hurry her busty backside up then I think it would work.

As for the trailer being cartoony when the first Bioshock's was not... I'm not entirely sure I agree. Both the "release" trailer that plays at the start of the game (with Vest!Jack) and the announcement trailer are, in my opinion, rather cartoony when it came to the physics of it all. Especially, the combat timed to Beyond the Sea in the announcement trailer is rather... laughable, imo.

Point is: the game is two years from release. I doubt the game will feel cartoony at all. The trailer is just a trailer. It's supposed to garner interest at this point, not make you buy the game.

[DeliciousCake]

Bioshock isn't based off of real life.

Why make it so? Being an avid supporter of animation (and my major!), I support the cartoony style with open arms.
edit: darn, I'm sorry Codex...didn't mean to bump up the thread to a new page with my useless babble when you typed an intelligent comment, everyone go read what she said, NOW.

[Angelbroken]

^ Ew. Sorry, but I don't find any appeal in bioshock being turned into some horrid cartoon. Does that mean cartoons are bad? NO. I'm talking CONTEXT here. The trailer was DAMN AWESOME till It got to that part. Maybe they threw that in to 'catch all eyes' or something <_< I don't really know.

Of course, Infinite is a spin off, so as long as they don't do this with Bioshock 3, I'm Happy. (And the movie for that matter. .christ if that turns out lookin' like Toy Story then . . .:eek: )

[Adam Addict L]

^ Ew. Sorry, but I don't find any appeal in bioshock being turned into some horrid cartoon. Does that mean cartoons are bad? NO. I'm talking CONTEXT here. The trailer was DAMN AWESOME till It got to that part. Maybe they threw that in to 'catch all eyes' or something <_< I don't really know.

Of course, Infinite is a spin off, so as long as they don't do this with Bioshock 3, I'm Happy. (And the movie for that matter. .christ if that turns out lookin' like Toy Story then . . .:eek: )

I'm with Illusion here...we haven't even seen a gameplay video yet and you're base-ing everything on ONE part of ONE little trailer. I think you should wait for a gameplay video before you criticize the game itself

[Angelbroken]

I'm with Illusion here...we haven't even seen a gameplay video yet and you're base-ing everything on ONE part of ONE little trailer. I think you should wait for a gameplay video before you criticize the game itself

Oh I agree completely. But it still makes me uneasy because the idea for BS:I is really quite something, and I'd hate to see it ruined over a bad art choice because someone thought it'd be "Original" :rolleyes:

[Blade_Runner]

Oh I agree completely. But it still makes me uneasy because the idea for BS:I is really quite something, and I'd hate to see it ruined over a bad art choice because someone thought it'd be "Original" :rolleyes:

that would suck. Ken Levine wouldn't let that happen

[TheEternalOne]

Oh I agree completely. But it still makes me uneasy because the idea for BS:I is really quite something, and I'd hate to see it ruined over a bad art choice because someone thought it'd be "Original" :rolleyes:

You're assuming quite a bit from a five second part of a trailer... Do you know something we don't?

[janissary12]

Both the trailer and the still w/Elizabeth in front of the crate reveal her to be, at this point in time, rather anime'-ish.

Deal with it.* They fixed the BS2 LSs, who looked too adult in the PR releases, they'll probably fix Elizabeth too.


*which may involve bitter wanking into your Star Wars sheets while you cry hot tears of frustration. Whatever works for you.

[Blade_Runner]

Both the trailer and the still w/Elizabeth in front of the crate reveal her to be, at this point in time, rather anime'-ish.

Deal with it.* They fixed the BS2 LSs, who looked too adult in the PR releases, they'll probably fix Elizabeth too.


*which may involve bitter wanking into your Star Wars sheets while you cry hot tears of frustration. Whatever works for you.

lololololololol:D

[Attainted Wolf]

Bioshock isn't based off of real life.

Why make it so? .

Entirely agree. The graphics in all the Bioshock games, especially the models, tend towards an animation style, rather than attempting to mimic real life. This was a conscious decision on the part of the designers. A deliberate attempt to emphasise the unreal nature of the environment and the situation. It encourages suspension of disbelief in the player and is a key feature of the game.

Compare the graphics to something like MW2, for instance, where the intention is to create a very real environment for the player and mimic real situations as closely as possible.

Given that BSI will require the same suspension of disbelief, it is reasonable to assume that the graphics will have a similar feel to the first two games. Which is a good thing. We don't want real. If we did, we wouldn't play Bioshock.

[Attainted Wolf]

Deal with it.*

*which may involve bitter wanking into your Star Wars sheets while you cry hot tears of frustration. Whatever works for you.

Heh heh. :D

[Angelbroken]

Both the trailer and the still w/Elizabeth in front of the crate reveal her to be, at this point in time, rather anime'-ish.

Deal with it.* They fixed the BS2 LSs, who looked too adult in the PR releases, they'll probably fix Elizabeth too.


*which may involve bitter wanking into your Star Wars sheets while you cry hot tears of frustration. Whatever works for you.

Mad troll is mad :rolleyes:


that would suck. Ken Levine wouldn't let that happen

Yes it certainly would :( It breaks me up when a good series decides to switch styles thinking they'll "make the big bucks" <_<


You're assuming quite a bit from a five second part of a trailer... Do you know something we don't?

maybe :p

[TheEternalOne]

Mad troll is mad :rolleyes:

I hate to break it to you, but if anyone's mad it's you. Seriously, calm down. The trailer doesn't represent the final game.

[temporaryplaceholder]

I hate to break it to you, but if anyone's mad it's you. Seriously, calm down. The trailer doesn't represent the final game.

It's a pretty strong indication, lol.

Anyway. Thought I'd post this for those who haven't heard it yet: link (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Billy_Murray_-_You%27re_a_Grand_Old_Flag.ogg)

It's the song heard from the gramophone in the trailer. Noteworthy is "you're a grand old flag, though you're torn to a rag." Guessing this song must have a heavy influence on the game considering the logo basically mirrors it's lyrics. Columbia's La Mer, perhaps, I dunno. Just thought I'd share. :)

[IllusionOfLife]

It's a pretty strong indication, lol.

I'd hardly call a pre-rendered trailer for a game that's two years off a "strong indication" of how the game will actually play. Yeah, it gives us an idea of story, setting, and tone (if vaguely), but it speaks nothing of gameplay.

[littlesisternicole]

Excuse me if somebody else has already pointed this out, but in the give-away pack was a poster that said 'Daddy, what did you do during the Siege of Columbia?'.
The poster is actually a WWI British Propaganda poster, seen here: http://www.vandaprints.com/lowres/39/main/3/67680.jpg
The text has just been changed.
Isn't this game set in 1912, two years before the beginning of WWI?

[Codex]

Excuse me if somebody else has already pointed this out, but in the give-away pack was a poster that said 'Daddy, what did you do during the Siege of Columbia?'.
The poster is actually a WWI British Propaganda poster, seen here: http://www.vandaprints.com/lowres/39/main/3/67680.jpg
The text has just been changed.
Isn't this game set in 1912, two years before the beginning of WWI?

Yes, it has been mentioned. I think it's supposed to be a play on the time period.

We'll have to wait and see though.

[janissary12]

Obviously, this is an alternate timeline. WW1 probably ain't gonna happen.

[Codex]

Obviously, this is an alternate timeline. WW1 probably ain't gonna happen.

Unless the Columbia incident kicks off WWI a few years early? Franz Ferdinand gets to keep his head and America is treated as the big bad? I'd love to see a video game bold enough to tackle a topic like that.

[IllusionOfLife]

Unless the Columbia incident kicks off WWI a few years early? Franz Ferdinand gets to keep his head and America is treated as the big bad? I'd love to see a video game bold enough to tackle a topic like that.

Ooh, that would be interesting indeed!

[Zest]

Ooh, that would be interesting indeed!

Nope. It'd be plain stupid.
The thing that made REAL Bioshock games so awesome was that they were, in a way, historical fiction.
They did not interfere with true historical happenings.

So, if you want to go and make this a really ****ed up historical fiction, don't call it Bioshock.

[IllusionOfLife]

Nope. It'd be plain stupid.
The thing that made REAL Bioshock games so awesome was that they were, in a way, historical fiction.
They did not interfere with true historical happenings.[/b]

Really? I don't recall learning about "The Vanishings" of the late 1940s, early '50s in my history class, or a strange pattern of missing girls in the late '60s.

Yes, I understand, these aren't as big of a change as re-writing the first World War, but to say that BioShock didn't take liberties with history is ridiculous.

[Zest]

Really? I don't recall learning about "The Vanishings" of the late 1940s, early '50s in my history class, or a strange pattern of missing girls in the late '60s.

Yes, I understand, these aren't as big of a change as re-writing the first World War, but to say that BioShock didn't take liberties with history is ridiculous.

I was referring to such events as attempting to REWRITE the first World War >->;;
I'm fully aware of what a historical fiction is, which is what Bioshock only lightly touched on. Infinite seems to be taking more advantage of the genre as it is. (So god forbid Rapture and Columbia be in the same universe. Ffffffffffffffffing hell...)

[IllusionOfLife]

I agree that their canons should be kept separate, but I don't think altering the cause of World War I is too drastic a move. Inglourious Basterds killed Hitler, Resistance: Fall of Man erased WWII altogether, having Columbia kick start WWI would be an interesting move in my opinion, and I don't think it would be too "out there" by any means.

[Codex]

Ooh, that would be interesting indeed!

I totally agree, but it's never going to happen. It would flop harder than a killer whale in a paddling pool.


Nope. It'd be plain stupid.
The thing that made REAL Bioshock games so awesome was that they were, in a way, historical fiction.
They did not interfere with true historical happenings.

So, if you want to go and make this a really ****ed up historical fiction, don't call it Bioshock.

Sure, they don't really interfere, but that's because Rapture was a secret city. Columbia is not a secret city, therefore it's already messing up the "reality" of it all. If certain historical events did not happen, ie: Germany and Austria et al becoming the bad guys on one side of the war and Britain (and her territories), Russia and France being on the other, and since Columbia is so distinctly American it could totally mess with history.

Now, in truth I doubt this is going to happen - for reasons other than yours and that I cannot reasonably state without getting my head ripped off and handed to me - but I personally would like to see a "what if" explored this way. I doubt it will happen in my life time, especially if it's made by an American producer/dev, but it would be neat to see.

[Invader]

Both the trailer and the still w/Elizabeth in front of the crate reveal her to be, at this point in time, rather anime'-ish.

Deal with it.* They fixed the BS2 LSs, who looked too adult in the PR releases, they'll probably fix Elizabeth too.


*which may involve bitter wanking into your Star Wars sheets while you cry hot tears of frustration. Whatever works for you.

Awesome fine print! :p

[buddygz]

I agree that their canons should be kept separate, but I don't think altering the cause of World War I is too drastic a move. Inglourious Basterds killed Hitler, Resistance: Fall of Man erased WWII altogether, having Columbia kick start WWI would be an interesting move in my opinion, and I don't think it would be too "out there" by any means.
You don't think completely changing how WWII started would be too drastic of a move?
Really?

[janissary12]

Unless the Columbia incident kicks off WWI a few years early? Franz Ferdinand gets to keep his head and America is treated as the big bad? I'd love to see a video game bold enough to tackle a topic like that.
The WWI Experience® is so dependent on trench warfare as a defining characteristic I don't think a transatlantic conflict could really be anything like.

While Columbia no doubt had world-girdling political impact, I think the game will be a much more personal experience, with the protagonist mostly trying to get the hell out with his hide intact. ---In true Bioshock fashion, he'll also try to escape with his soul intact.

[Attainted Wolf]

[QUOTE=IllusionOfLife;1054007]Really? I don't recall learning about "The Vanishings" of the late 1940s, early '50s in my history class, or a strange pattern of missing girls in the late '60s.
QUOTE]

History is not an accurate account of past events. It is not absolute or immutable. It is a work of fiction, loosely based on real events and then heavily edited in order to deliver a specific message to its audience. Usually the young and the easily influenced. And it can easily be changed to suit the agenda of those in charge. You would be amazed at the very real historical events that were not taught in your history class. It doesn't mean they didn't happen. It just means that they're not 'history'. And eventually, these 'non-historical events' are forgotten.

Personally, I like the idea that Rapture can exist in our own timeline. There were actually large numbers of mysterious disappearances in the aftermath of WWII - especially scientists and artists. And the world in the late '60's was a paranoid and a secretive one, and not as connected as it is today. So a few little girls going missing would probably not have been well reported or remembered. There is a grain of truth in every good story - even one as fantastic as Rapture. It may be incredible but it is also POSSIBLE. That's what makes it a good story.

Imagining Columbia in our own historical timeline is a bit of a stretch, but by no means impossible. A flying city may have been common knowledge at the time, but that was a century ago. And the most turbulent century in human history, at that. Given that it caused a serious international incident, there is every reason to assume that the world's governments would want to forget it and to have it forgotten. They certainly had the power to ensure this, and people would soon have enough to occupy their minds without worrying about vague memories of a rumoured city in the sky.

Who knows, perhaps Columbia, and the problems it caused, was the real reason for the United States' isolationist stance throughout most of WWI.

In any case, I think a person's engagement with any story depends very much on empathy. And with an historical story, that empathy comes from the suggestion that the story's events could conceivably have happened within the 'real' historical timeline. The person knows that they didn't ACTUALLY happen, but they COULD have. That makes the events more believable and therefore more engaging. And makes for a better story.

So from my point of view, I hope the developers put some effort into placing Columbia in the same timeline as Rapture and ourselves.

[IllusionOfLife]

Hey Attainted Wolf, I actually agree with you (well, other than the part about Rapture's and Columbia's stories existing in the same canon). The post you quoted was intended to make to point that you just made, just in fewer words.

[Blade_Runner]

So from my point of view, I hope the developers put some effort into placing Columbia in the same timeline as Rapture and ourselves.

i doubt it though, it doesn't sound like something Ken Levine would do, 2K Marin mmight do something like that, but Levine? like i said, it doesnt sound like something he would do.

[Codex]

"History is written by the victors." - Winston Churchill.

[Attainted Wolf]

Hey Attainted Wolf, I actually agree with you (well, other than the part about Rapture's and Columbia's stories existing in the same canon). The post you quoted was intended to make to point that you just made, just in fewer words.

My apologies, I misunderstood your post. I thought you were trying to distance the Bioshock universe from the 'real' one by saying that you weren't taught anything in your history class that might support the existence of Rapture. My point was that the Bioshock story is more engaging because it COULD have happened in reality rather than being something we know did NOT happen.

And whilst the probability of Columbia having actually existed in our universe is far more remote, I will personally enjoy the story more if I can believe it might have really happened as well. Willing suspension of disbelief.

Of course, if both Columbia and Rapture have the potential to exist in reality, it follows that they must both be canon. At least, that would be my preference. If only because they are already linked at a creative level, or because of the Bioshock name or just because it would make me happy.

The possibility of co-existence doesn't have to be stated, there don't have to be any links within the game, not even easter eggs, it just has to be possible. And that won't be the case if they re-write history to accomodate Columbia. So I hope they don't.

Oh, and I like words. Sorry if I use too many. :o

[Blade_Runner]

for some reason i find Columbia very alluring

[Codex]

Oh, and I like words. Sorry if I use too many. :o

Never, EVER be sorry for multiparagraphing. Unless of course it's multiparagraphing chat speak. Then We might get mad at you ;)

I have to completely agree with your post. The "reality" of the Bioshock universe, or at least the potential for reality within it, is part of what draws me to the series. But, if you believe int he Multiverse (as I do in some way) it's possible that history in both our universe, BS:I's universe and Bioshock's universe split and created their own realities at different points. If Columbia became the Big Bad for WWI, whereas it didn't in Rapture's Universe or our own then so be it.The Nationalistic sentiment was certainly present at the time (hence why America didn't join WWI until it was almost over. They were rather "affectionately" known as the Rainbow Army at the time, because they showed up at the end to take all the "glory").

But, this is all speculation on my part. I know I, as well as several others outside of America, are sick of seeing the country kicking the arse of the Russians in nearly every other war game that comes out. It would be interesting to approach it from the angle that America is the bad guy for once. But, also, like I said it probably won't happen. We'll have to wait and see.

[TheEternalOne]

Never, EVER be sorry for multiparagraphing. Unless of course it's multiparagraphing chat speak. Then We might get mad at you ;)

I have to completely agree with your post. The "reality" of the Bioshock universe, or at least the potential for reality within it, is part of what draws me to the series. But, if you believe int he Multiverse (as I do in some way) it's possible that history in both our universe, BS:I's universe and Bioshock's universe split and created their own realities at different points. If Columbia became the Big Bad for WWI, whereas it didn't in Rapture's Universe or our own then so be it.The Nationalistic sentiment was certainly present at the time (hence why America didn't join WWI until it was almost over. They were rather "affectionately" known as the Rainbow Army at the time, because they showed up at the end to take all the "glory").

But, this is all speculation on my part. I know I, as well as several others outside of America, are sick of seeing the country kicking the arse of the Russians in nearly every other war game that comes out. It would be interesting to approach it from the angle that America is the bad guy for once. But, also, like I said it probably won't happen. We'll have to wait and see.

I think it would be a brilliant idea to have America kick-start WWI. Probably won't happen, but if anyone could approach that, it's Irrational.

[IllusionOfLife]

Of course, if both Columbia and Rapture have the potential to exist in reality, it follows that they must both be canon. At least, that would be my preference. If only because they are already linked at a creative level, or because of the Bioshock name or just because it would make me happy.

Codex covered the rest of it beautifully so I won't add to that, other than to reiterate the sentiment that multi-paragraph posts are a beautiful thing (when used for actual discussion) and don't be afraid to be eloquent.

As for the linking of the canons, I see where you're coming from, but I think GamesRadar said it best:


When we delved through Rapture, we did so under the assumption that it was the first of its kind, a secret city with advanced technology completely unknown to the world at large. And while the only thing we ever really saw of that “world at large” was the inside of a passenger plane, we always assumed BioShock was set in our own world, more or less. A world that hadn’t already seen a massive, famous steampunk city/war platform floating through its clouds.

Add Columbia to BioShock’s existing timeline, however, and Rapture suddenly becomes less special. Less interesting. If there had already been a dystopian city filled with crazies and set in an impossible environment, then Andrew Ryan’s undersea metropolis becomes less of a monolithic achievement and more business as usual. And surely, the city and its technologies – particularly Plasmids – would have been regarded as a less significant discovery by the interlopers who found their way there.

Don’t get us wrong – we love Rapture, and we’re not so curmudgeonly that we wouldn’t like to see a third game set there. We just don’t want to see it diminished by an earlier, more impressive achievement in the same timeline. And we sure as hell don’t need to see a final shot of a little boy named Andrew staring wistfully into the sunset and muttering, “Someday… someday, I’ll do it right.”

And then he putts a golf ball into a hole. And grows a mustache.

No. We get that the BioShock name will move more units, but let’s not lessen Rapture’s importance by shoehorning it into a version of the 20th century already familiar with seemingly impossible sci-fi technologies.

[loaiciga]

i just saw the trailer .. and im speechless... i saw the movie and i imagine 100 of ways how can they be connected ... the problem is... i dont know if they want them to be connected lol :D

[TheEternalOne]

i just saw the trailer .. and im speechless... i saw the movie and i imagine 100 of ways how can they be connected ... the problem is... i dont know if they want them to be connected lol :D

They really shouldn't be. It would pretty much ruin the stories of both.

[Blue Lightning]

What do we know of the period? I posted the politics already, lets have a look at what the period was like:

1912: The tail end of the "industrial age" that started in the 1800's. Still the age of invention as the radio had just been invented. Telephones and electricity were common (in large cities). Hand crank phonograh machines (record players) were becoming popular. Cars were being mass produced, espicially by Ford manufacturing, with the famous Ford Model T. The "Victorian age" just ended (1890's), and the Art Deco age was yet to begin (1919). For skyscrapers it was the "gothic age". The popular music was "Ragtime", kind of a fast piano jazz.

If Im wrong about any of this, correct me :o

This illustrates just how hard and complex is was to drive a model T (1924 and 1912 drove the same). This girl is getting driving lessons. Start it about 3:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWBEM4yjI1Y

[Codex]

Ragtime wasn't the only popular music, Dixieland was starting to take hold as well. Dixie was a style that came out of New Orleans in the early 1900's and spread to New York and Chicago. It was played on a variety of instruments, not excluding the tuba, the washboard, piano, trumpet, penny whistle etc. One of the most famous Dixieland bands is King Oliver's Creole Jazz Band, which was the starting place for many musicians who later changed music all together, such as Louis Armstrong who was his protege.

Not much was recorded from this period, in fact a lot of recordings didn't start until 1917 or the early 1920's, but bands were really performing live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6yMvzxDqsQ&feature=related <-- Here's a 1917 recording of one of the Dixieland bands. I do believe it was one of the few white Dixieland bands and they get very little recognition for being as good as they were.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-HJI464CVs <-- and here's some King Oliver Creole Jazz Band from 1923. You can hear just how much recording improved in that time :S

And here's the wiki on Dixieland, which started in 1910 really: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixieland It was as much an "answer" to rag time as it was a derivative of it.

[The ADAM Reaper]

If we had to leave the underwater city of Rapture for a new bioshock game, then taking the the skies would be the best and most logical decision.

I can't wait for this game =D

[cxa117]

There is this really cool interview with Ken here :D :

http://bigoanddukes.com/2010/08/30/an-interview-with-ken-levine-creative-director-of-irrational-games/

[FtRapture]

That is an awesome interview!

[jamez]

This game looks AMAZING, and I am really hyped up for it, but i would at least like (or RATHER is a better word) an ending to Rapture.

[TheEternalOne]

Bump. Can't let the thread die.

[Rapture-704]

Bump. Can't let the thread die.

Speaking of threads how do I start my own? I feel noobish about this question lol

[Mr.Plum]

Speaking of threads how do I start my own? I feel noobish about this question lol

Go to the sub-forum you wish to create a thread (EX. Bioshock 2 tech support, general discussion, off topic). Once in your desired section, there's a white "+ New Thread" box near the top left of your screen.

[Rapture-704]

Go to the sub-forum you wish to create a thread (EX. Bioshock 2 tech support, general discussion, off topic). Once in your desired section, there's a white "+ New Thread" box near the top left of your screen.

Thanks man!!!

[BIG DADDY 139]

Im not going to lie i was a bit dissapointed when i first saw this, i have no doubt it will be an amazing game and i am definetlly gonna pre-order. i hope that we will see more or rapture in the future:)

[BioShock Freak]

Im not going to lie i was a bit dissapointed when i first saw this, i have no doubt it will be an amazing game and i am definetlly gonna pre-order. i hope that we will see more or rapture in the future:)
I felt the exact same way.

~Mari.

[Blue Lightning]

Cant wait for the gameplay video! Should be anytime now I guess...

[Blue Lightning]

Bump: we need at least one Infinite thread on page one.

Hey, Elizabeths hair is not 1912ish...it's like the 20's instead. Ken better get them details down right...

[X1 BLACKOUT 1X]

Bump: we need at least one Infinite thread on page one.

Hey, Elizabeths hair is not 1912ish...it's like the 20's instead. Ken better get them details down right...

I'm sorry, but does that really matter?

[Reborn in the Ocean]

I'm sorry, but does that really matter?

I guess to some people it really does :p but oh well the environment and game play will be my main focus on this game not the hair styles though I will care how the character's look and such just not like OCD about it :p.

[Blue Lightning]

We like details. (bare with me, I'm a nerd when it comes to early 1900's history and even fashion). Nobody in 1912 was wearing the "bob" yet, that wasnt seen until 1914 when a few women adopted it from Paris France that worked in war factories, and the short hair was good around the machinery. It caught on big, and by the 20's all the women wore the short bob.

But in 1912 women wore hair mainly in the low, loose chignon style (in other words, wore it up, but loosley and large in the back..and with some curls in it too). And some wore it less large in the back but added a few long "ringlets" (long curls) that hung down far...and big hats, bigger then the 1890's even. In fact by 1912, hats reached their peak in largness and were somewhat monstrasities with fake birds, fruit, and flowers in them.

So seeing Elizabeth with a bob seems strange for 1912.

Examples
http://hairselect.com/1912.htm
http://sensibility.com/vintageimages/1900s/images/mccalls1910.jpg

[Gin Ichimaru]

We like details. Nobody in 1912 was wearing the "bob" yet, that wasnt seen until 1914 when a few women adopted it from Paris France that worked in war factories, and the short hair was good around the machinery. It caught on big, and by the 20's all the women wore the short bob.

But in 1912 women wore hair mainly in the low, loose chignon style (in other words, wore it up, but loosley). And some added to that a few long "ringlets" (long curls) that hung down far...and big hats, bigger then the 1890's even. In fact by 1912, hats reached their peak in largness and were somewhat monstrasities with fake birds, fruit, and flowers in them.

So seeing Elizabeth with a bob seems strange for 1912.

the detail wow:eek:

[Blue Lightning]

the detail wow:eek:
Are you being sarcastic? :p I did add some details after your post.

Links...here it all is: 1910-1912 which was during the "Edwarian era"
http://hairselect.com/1912.htm
http://sensibility.com/vintageimages/1900s/images/mccalls1910.jpg

And the other hairstyle for younger women (less large in back but the long ringlets or braids)
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images.nypl.org/index.php%3Fid%3D825172%26t%3Dr&imgrefurl=http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/id/%3F825172&h=300&w=187&sz=12&tbnid=xkeVs6c9UYCkSM:&tbnh=240&tbnw=149&prev=/images%3Fq%3D1912%2Bhairstyles&zoom=1&q=1912+hairstyles&hl=en&usg=__9Nvs4DoPGIJnmEpOk-DwZFfz1YM=&sa=X&ei=eMKBTMzAMIP7lweWgMH0Dw&ved=0CBkQ9QEwAA

But Elizabeth was wearing the straight bob, which would not of been worn in 1912.

[Gin Ichimaru]

Are you being sarcastic? :p I did add some details after your post.

Links...here it all is: 1910-1912 which was during the "Edwarian era"
http://hairselect.com/1912.htm
http://sensibility.com/vintageimages/1900s/images/mccalls1910.jpg

And the other hairstyle for younger women (less large in back but the long ringlets or braids)
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images.nypl.org/index.php%3Fid%3D825172%26t%3Dr&imgrefurl=http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/id/%3F825172&h=300&w=187&sz=12&tbnid=xkeVs6c9UYCkSM:&tbnh=240&tbnw=149&prev=/images%3Fq%3D1912%2Bhairstyles&zoom=1&q=1912+hairstyles&hl=en&usg=__9Nvs4DoPGIJnmEpOk-DwZFfz1YM=&sa=X&ei=eMKBTMzAMIP7lweWgMH0Dw&ved=0CBkQ9QEwAA

But Elizabeth was wearing the straight bob, which would not of been worn in 1912.

i was refering of how it cant be perfect and it doent have to be

[Blue Lightning]

Well dont you think hairstyles for the period should be correct? What about clothes? Should Booker wear MC Hammer parachute pants from the 80's?

[coolguy4400]

Well, the bob hairstyle was around in france around as early as 1909, and columbia was a floating worlds fair that was very advanced for its time, so whats to say that elizabeth didnt pick up the hairstyle when near france? Its perfectly rational to think that maybe, considering that columbia is a floating city that traveled the world, and that the game takes place 3 years after the hairstyle was introduced, that she could have gotten the hairstyle while the city was on tour.

[Blue Lightning]

Well Im sure someone was wearing it as early as 2,000 years ago (its just a short haircut), but it wasnt what 99.9% of women wore in 1912. Sure, you could make excpetions and explain it away as you just did...but why? I would think that Ken would want the charecters wearing the fashion of the time, to better reflect the atmosphere to the player.

[coolguy4400]

But i think that we have to realize that columbia isnt the atmosphere of the time. It was a city that floated in the sky in a time where the greatest technological marvel was a ship that didnt even make it across the atlantic ocean. That being said, i really dont think that if were going to get nit picky about a hairstyle that could very well have been worn by women at the time as being the only thing that is periodically inaccurate.

[bp13]

ohhhh, i didnt know that

Well that's nice to hear (Assuming Steve is a developer) So that means there will be more raptureness for me to enjoy!

[temporaryplaceholder]

Regarding the bob cut, I don't think the time frame really had much to do with it. They've clearly taken a bit of artistic licence to depict what her character represents more-so than her timeframe.

If we take her clothing as an example, it's more clear. 1910s and female military uniforms... not a regular combination.

I think, the short hair and uniform are to make her look more masculine, more "I can actually fight and am not just a damsel" appearance, make her feel like someone you can actually work with. The deviation from standard wear hasn't got anything to do with history or fashion trends, so much as... the kind of character they want to portray to the viewer.

And of course, hourglass figure, huge eyes, and boobs help even things back up and make sure you know she's a chick and possible romantic interest and not just some masculine team-mate.

[Delta28]

Im not sure if they have been posted,but there are some new screenshots up on gameinformer site.

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/09/06/exclusive-bioshock-infinite-screens.aspx

[Mr.Plum]

Im not sure if they have been posted,but there are some new screenshots up on gameinformer site.

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/09/06/exclusive-bioshock-infinite-screens.aspx

Good find, haven't seen these before.

[Trespasser]

Are people really having a discussion about hair and fashion style being not exactly period . . .

. . . in a flying city in 1912 . . . ?

:confused:

ummm, ok then.

[treyk93]

I love Bioshock Infinite's version of Big Daddies!

[Blade_Runner]

I love Bioshock Infinite's version of Big Daddies!

the Handyman

[TheEternalOne]

Are people really having a discussion about hair and fashion style being not exactly period . . .

. . . in a flying city in 1912 . . . ?

:confused:

ummm, ok then.

It's our job to worry about little things like that:p ...

[Gotz Van Buren]

Who knows what the handyman is used for? Any theories?

[Adam Addict L]

Who knows what the handyman is used for? Any theories?

Butlers,I believe it was said

[Gotz Van Buren]

So an armored butler?

Well I wonder where they got Volunteers for the process.

[Drsalvador]

So an armored butler?

Well I wonder where they got Volunteers for the process.

Possibly the same way Ryan got "volunteers" For the big daddies. Convicts, etc.

[soundwave145]

maybe its one of those new fanged roburts

[Buck R.]

Everyone saw this in-game photo of the Handyman, right?

http://cdn.softsailor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Handyman.jpg

(ps. better picture is on the BS wiki.)

[Gin Ichimaru]

I relly hope my thereys right

[Drsalvador]

I relly hope my thereys right

What theory is that?

[I Would Kindly]

Woohoo! My GameInformer arrived yesterday! :D And it's full of screens and info! :D And ya, I got the HE/SHE one. :/ I wanted Murder of Crows....

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Well looks like I need to go pick up the Gameinformer when I am out on Friday :D.

[envoyofnature]

Well looks like I need to go pick up the Gameinformer when I am out on Friday :D.

Its a pretty sweet issue

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Its a pretty sweet issue

Alright well sounds good I am going out Friday so I am going to pick it up :p should make me very happy because I looked for it last Saturday but couldn't find any :(

[envoyofnature]

Alright well sounds good I am going out Friday so I am going to pick it up :p should make me very happy because I looked for it last Saturday but couldn't find any :(

i get game informer through the mail and i got it two days ago

[Reborn in the Ocean]

i get game informer through the mail and i got it two days ago

Well you are lucky I don't have subscriptions to any magazine period lol :p I'm just that awesome. :rolleyes:

[Blue Lightning]

This just made my weekend :p

[TheEternalOne]

i get game informer through the mail and i got it two days ago

Still waiting for mine...:(

[bugcatcherjason]

So I received my issue of Game Informer today. I read it, looked at the pretty pictures, thought about it for a few seconds, and I think that we're all going to fall deeply in love with Elizabeth. Mr. Levine seems to be going out the water (Rapture to Columbia joke) with her.

And I couldn't help but to notice the similarities between Infinite and the first two. You know, things like rebellion against authority, the naive and secluded girl, the rescue mission, etc etc.

I don't know if anyone asked, but was Elizabeth named after 2K Elizabeth (our Elizabeth)?

[Judgeofwings]

So I received my issue of Game Informer today. I read it, looked at the pretty pictures, thought about it for a few seconds, and I think that we're all going to fall deeply in love with Elizabeth. Mr. Levine seems to be going out the water (Rapture to Columbia joke) with her.

And I couldn't help but to notice the similarities between Infinite and the first two. You know, things like rebellion against authority, the naive and secluded girl, the rescue mission, etc etc.

I don't know if anyone asked, but was Elizabeth named after 2K Elizabeth (our Elizabeth)?

He doesn't really say the inspiration for elizabeth's name,but i don't doubt it, i think Liz has something to do with it.I mean she is an awesome person,why not honor her ? :p

[Vallanthaz]

Man, is there anything better to see after opening up your mailbox?

Completely made my week. Now I need to go and track down the other two covers. :)

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk19/Threddd/BS.jpg

[I Would Kindly]

Lots of new posters! :D (http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/09/15/smear-campaign-the-propaganda-of-bioshock-infinite.aspx)

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Can't wait going to get that tomorrow when I am out :D

[IllusionOfLife]

Lots of new posters! :D (http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/09/15/smear-campaign-the-propaganda-of-bioshock-infinite.aspx)

As an American, more than a few of those posters are uncomfortable to look at, but I'm glad that it seems like Levine isn't going to pull any punches. Sometimes people need to feel uncomfortable for the message to come across.

[coolguy4400]

Lots of new posters! :D (http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/09/15/smear-campaign-the-propaganda-of-bioshock-infinite.aspx)

Im really glad those exist...

[Gin Ichimaru]

What theory is that?

That the butler handy mans are just the gammers and the alphas and betas look way cooler

[I Would Kindly]

As an American, more than a few of those posters are uncomfortable to look at, but I'm glad that it seems like Levine isn't going to pull any punches. Sometimes people need to feel uncomfortable for the message to come across.

Yeah... I'll feel real awkward playing that and my mom walks by and sees them. >_< But they are necessary!

[gamertam]

Judging from the smear propaganda posters. I surely hope Mr. Levine is not making a game about killing/pushing all people that looks different away. If it does, than this game remind of the book i once read sometime long ago called The Turner Diaries. So, would he?

[Reborn in the Ocean]

No he is just going to show two sides of the same coin I am pretty sure he is going to show the extreme views of America at the time but then the tolerating views of America at the same time through Columbia like in Rapture he showed Objectivism and then he showed what the worst of it can bring out in people. Probably whats going to happen in Columbia.

[Blue Lightning]

Oooo, just like I thought, this game is going to heat up racial rehtoric and political incorrectness. All of these posters, and at a time when the Obama forces are fighting Arizona over (almost) the same thing! This game will be a huge disscussion point on the cable news outlets! I LOVE IT!

Ken Levine, pushing the envelope politically, even more than in Rapture! :D

[Adam Addict L]

I wonder if the people of Columbia that the protagonist Booker will be facing will be able to drink tonics/use powers against Booker like the Murder of Crows tonic/power?? I hope so,that would be cool :)

[Delta28]

Im not sure if it has been mentioned,but there is going to be some actual gameplay footage on the new gametrailers tv episode.


http://www.gametrailers.com/video/episode-324-gametrailers-tv/704475

www.gametrailers.com

its going to be up in about 7 hours you can see a countdown on the main page of gametrailers.

[Simas1330]

Im not sure if it has been mentioned,but there is gonna be some actual gameplay footage on the new gametrailers tv episode.


http://www.gametrailers.com/video/episode-324-gametrailers-tv/704475

www.gametrailers.com

its going to be up in about 7 hours you can see a countdown on the main page.

Really??!!

*Hysteric highschool girl schreeching scream*

[Adam Addict L]

Im not sure if it has been mentioned,but there is gonna be some actual gameplay footage on the new gametrailers tv episode.


http://www.gametrailers.com/video/episode-324-gametrailers-tv/704475

www.gametrailers.com

its going to be up in about 7 hours you can see a countdown on the main page.

I saw and read ''gameplay footage''...anything before and after that,my mind did not register and went blank :p

[Blade_Runner]

Bioshock: Infinite gameplay will be shown tonight on Game Trailers TV @ 12:30 AM, an hour from now

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Looks like I am going to be watching it tomorrow :) and I went into my Gamestop today they didn't have the Gameinformer yet I am going to have to stop in next week ugh oh well.

[Blade_Runner]

Looks like I am going to be watching it tomorrow :) and I went into my Gamestop today they didn't have the Gameinformer yet I am going to have to stop in next week ugh oh well.

nice avata;r Alice: Madness Returns

[Reborn in the Ocean]

nice avata;r Alice: Madness Returns

Yes :p I have been trying to get better screen's from the one I have and make them bigger but alas no luck :p

[Blade_Runner]

Yes :p I have been trying to get better screen's from the one I have and make them bigger but alas no luck :p

looks like a good game, i wonder what its about, you know what else looks good and messed up?

[Reborn in the Ocean]

looks like a good game, i wonder what its about, you know what else looks good and messed up?

What else looks good and messed up? Its about from all I know Alice is older now pretty much a adult and she is going crazy after he last visit to wonderland and now she is going through counseling and her world is falling apart so you are trying to find out what is causing her to go crazy and save wonderland I think. With that we should steer this back on topic :p.

[Blade_Runner]

What else looks good and messed up? Its about from all I know Alice is older now pretty much a adult and she is going crazy after he last visit to wonderland and now she is going through counseling and her world is falling apart so you are trying to find out what is causing her to go crazy and save wonderland I think. With that we should steer this back on topic :p.

i meant another game, and by that i meant F3AR

[Reborn in the Ocean]

i meant another game, and by that i meant F3AR

Ah well that is going to be a good game I love the FEAR series :D.

[mrgrimmykins]

Ah well that is going to be a good game I love the FEAR series :D.

FEAR was not scary sadly heck my face is scarier than that game anyways i cant wait for this game every time i see the handyman i cant wait for this game to be out 2 years is like torture. :(

[Reborn in the Ocean]

2 years won't be that bad it will be here before you know it :p all I do is tend to forget about it and then bam the amount of time has passed and I am happy and satisfied again :D

[mrgrimmykins]

2 years won't be that bad it will be here before you know it :p all I do is tend to forget about it and then bam the amount of time has passed and I am happy and satisfied again :D

oh i know i just like to be odd like that heck with all the other crap coming out this year and next year ill be plenty occupied just anxious to see if mr ken or whatever his name is delivers again ;)

[Blade_Runner]

Ah well that is going to be a good game I love the FEAR series :D.

FEAR was alright but FEAR 2 was messed up ande FEAR: Extraction Point was the scariest one

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Well I thought the second FEAR was the scariest one and I have enough games coming out this year and next that I will be fine and hold over until Infinite comes out though I will probably be playing Bioshock 2 MP for a very long time.

[Blade_Runner]

w00t! Game Trailer TV is on in 5 minuites on Spike TV :D

[Reborn in the Ocean]

w00t! Game Trailer TV is on in 5 minuites on Spike TV :D

Oh well looks like I may tune into Spike to watch this :D that or I will watch it on Gametrailers tomorrow morning though I doubt they will have it up at that time I guess just going to tune in and watch it

[Blade_Runner]

Oh well looks like I may tune into Spike to watch this :D that or I will watch it on Gametrailers tomorrow morning though I doubt they will have it up at that time I guess just going to tune in and watch it

you and me both! :D

[RaptureWillBeReborn]

you and me both! :D

Damn, can't watch it right now. :(

Tell me what it's like, and tell me if they show the HIM!

[Blade_Runner]

Damn, can't watch it right now. :(

Tell me what it's like, and tell me if they show the HIM!

they just finished talking about Force Unleashed 2 and now they're talking about LBP2

[RaptureWillBeReborn]

they just finished talking about Force Unleashed 2 and now they're talking about LBP2

Ok.

Do you have a video camera? Maybe you can email me the footage. :D

[Blade_Runner]

Ok.

Do you have a video camera? Maybe you can email me the footage. :D

it'll be on Gametrailer.com (http://www.gametrailers.com/) in 15 minuites

[Blade_Runner]

yes! BS:I!!!!!!

[Gin Ichimaru]

thankyou :D

[Blade_Runner]

yes! BS:I!!!!!!

oh, it was only like 2 minuites but it looked great, they said that there would be more footage on xbox.com on the 21st

[RaptureWillBeReborn]

oh, it was only like 2 minuites but it looked great, they said that there would be more footage on xbox.com on the 21st

Did they show the HIM?

[Gin Ichimaru]

post a link

[gamertam]

Just saw it, it moving kinda fast to keep up. I just remembered the shotgun or what's appear to be a shotgun. Where's the bad guys at? a very short footage and again too quick to remember anything at all.

[RaptureWillBeReborn]

Just saw it, it moving kinda fast to keep up. I just remembered the shotgun or what's appear to be a shotgun. Where's the bad guys at? a very short footage and again too quick to remember anything at all.

I'm guessing they didn't show HIM? :(

[gamertam]

I'm guessing they didn't show HIM? :(

i don't think so, if my memory serves my right. I don't recall anything stood out like Him.

[RaptureWillBeReborn]

i don't think so, if my memory serves my right. I don't recall anything stood out like Him.


NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I'll still have to wait for the 21st to see HIM in action!

Damnit!

I neeeeeeeeeeeed to see the HIM. @_@

[Blade_Runner]

NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I'll still have to wait for the 21st to see HIM in action!

Damnit!

I neeeeeeeeeeeed to see the HIM. @_@

i saw the skyline, Elizabeth, Booker talking, and some enemies. Guess what? everybody really wants to kill Booker

[Gin Ichimaru]

would you kindly post a link

[Blade_Runner]

would you kindly post a link

sorry, its not on the site yet

[Gin Ichimaru]

ok i want to watch it so bad

[Adam Addict L]

It was on TV?? Awww I missed it :(

[Gin Ichimaru]

is it up on the internt yet

[Mr.Plum]

is it up on the internt yet

http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/gametrailers-tv/104?ch=3&sd=1_hd

[Adam Addict L]

http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/gametrailers-tv/104?ch=3&sd=1_hd

where's the part about Bioshock Infinite? All I see beeing shown is stuff about Stars Wars :(

[mrgrimmykins]

where's the part about Bioshock Infinite? All I see beeing shown is stuff about Stars Wars :(

Noooooooooooooooooo!! yea points to you if you get that i cant wait for them to show even more off all these teasers leave a funky taste in me mouth