Bioshock Infinite Discussion (Spoilers?)

[IllusionOfLife]

But were those geothermal vents sufficient for heating Rapture? :confused: Remember Bill McDonaugh's audio log: "Ocean water is colder than a witch's tit."

Obviously the vents aren't enough to heat the whole ocean and when you're down that deep the sun can't penetrate to warm the water. However, harnessing the heat from the geothermal vents would have been plenty sufficient to provide heat for Rapture.

[janissary12]

But were those geothermal vents sufficient for heating Rapture? :confused:
Obviously they were ipso facto adequate, since that was Rapture's power source.

[Adam Addict L]

Obviously they were ipso facto adequate, since that was Rapture's power source.

uhhh...ipso facto??? English plz?? :confused:

[Big Bad Sister]

uhhh...ipso facto??? English plz?? :confused:Google is a wonderful tool.

[FtRapture]

Wait a minute, they said the the Bioshock movie would be too expensive to film. One of the reasons listed was that it cost a lot to film underwater and underwater CGI. hmmmm

[Grathius22]

Is anyone else like me, and can hardly say Infinite a lot?

[z00t]

A little bit more detail on the 'Sky Daddies' :p - apparently their heads are human heads. :eek:

From IGN: http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/111/1111980p2.html

These creatures have a human head set atop a large mechanized body. Their visible heart is encased in glass and their oversized bodies have something of a steampunk aesthetic, only slightly less advanced. Bullets don't seem to do much to the behemoths so Elizabeth and DeWitt try to bring down the bridge around the threat.

[Adam Addict L]

Wait a minute, they said the the Bioshock movie would be too expensive to film. One of the reasons listed was that it cost a lot to film underwater and underwater CGI. hmmmm

I hope they still make a Bioshock movie,and with Rapture too :(

[Reborn in the Ocean]

I hope they still make a Bioshock movie,and with Rapture too :(

Yeah that is something I am hoping for I would love to see a Bioshock movie :D

[Tycho.]

I hope they still make a Bioshock movie,and with Rapture too :(

There still making it, they sorted out all those budget problemas a while ago, its in pre-production right now, and comming out 2013.

[Judgeofwings]

So here's a totally nerdy, I'm way over-analysing this, type question: how have they been able to stay afloat this long?

Obviously they'd need some sort of fuel to burn in order to keep pumping hot air into the balloons, but if they've vanished into the sky how would they refuel? In this alternate timeline have they developed some sort of perpetual fuel source, or perhaps the fact that they're running out of resources will play into the story of the game.

Someone asked this question yesterday.That being said,someone brought up the topic of Disposal of raw sewage.And upon thinking about it,they could be using raw Sewage as a form of energy,each city block could have its own processing equipment to extract Methane gas which would be used for both electricity and to power the burners.As for the Hydrogen they would need for the balloons,the clouds that pass by are composed of water,if they capture the water and add magnesium the following chemical reaction produces Pure Hydrogen Gas. ;)

[Invader]

There still making it, they sorted out all those budget problemas a while ago, its in pre-production right now, and comming out 2013.

Where did you read that? That is NOT what the numerous articles I recently read said...


Yeah that is something I am hoping for I would love to see a Bioshock movie :D


I think you're onto something there.

[Judgeofwings]

Where did you read that? That is NOT what the numerous articles I recenlty read said...

He most likely mis-read the articles.

[Invader]

He most likely mis-read the articles.

Probably. I wish it was true. :(

[gmans94]

What's this?! COULD IT BE?! DO I ONCE AGAIN HAVE AN EXCUSE TO FINALLY CHECK THE FORUMS EVERY 2 HOURS?!

Looks like I do.

On a serial note: I'm a bit nervous. I'm happy that Ken is taking the reins again, but I'm a little nervous about the setting (nervous not always being a bad thing), and I'm a little nervous about the story line. This "Elizabeth" sounds very "Elanor" like.

Yes, yes, there are large differences but still...

Regardless, I'm still really excited to hear more information about it (hopefully soon).

1: No multiplayer please
2: PLEASE have a viral campaign. I would be very appreciative.

Consider this my official welcome back.

[Epstein_The_Swami]

Woo, welcome back gmans.

Yeah, I hope there's viral marketing. I'm starting to doubt it for some reason, though.

I am pulling for Something in the Sky. All rights to Docmeff, for he said it first. :p

[Masaimune]

I dont know if what I am going to say has been said yet, but here we go.

Me and my brother were talking about this and were wondering, is this game based in the same world as the first two Bioshocks? If so, then why was it not mentioned at all in them? One idea I had was that maybe Andrew Ryan was one of the children selected to go to this city (if you analysis the billboard with the two babies, the woman represents America and she is taking the healthy more perfect of the two), and then he got the idea for Rapture many years later, but then again it would have been mentioned in the first two games.

[Dr. Locke]

Set in the heavenly golden sky? No, not scary or dark. Is that realistic - compared to being underwater. GOD NO!! And why did the people look like Disney characters? I think I will have to wait for some reviews to be released on this one before I even consider picking it up after release.


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[Masaimune]

I have also been gone for quite some time now, but its good to be back and talking about Bioshock again

[Big Bad Sister]

I give up. -_-

[Judgeofwings]

I dont know if what I am going to say has been said yet, but here we go.

Me and my brother were talking about this and were wondering, is this game based in the same world as the first two Bioshocks? If so, then why was it not mentioned at all in them? One idea I had was that maybe Andrew Ryan was one of the children selected to go to this city (if you analysis the billboard with the two babies, the woman represents America and she is taking the healthy more perfect of the two), and then he got the idea for Rapture many years later, but then again it would have been mentioned in the first two games.

This has been talked about sooooo much.While Ken didn't really give a definitive answer i think it's implied that this is NOT set in the same universe as Rapture.

[Big Bad Sister]

I have two things to say:

1. This game had better not suck.

2. **** everyone who says that this game is going to suck.

That is all. :p

[gmans94]

Woo, welcome back gmans.

Yeah, I hope there's viral marketing. I'm starting to doubt it for some reason, though.

I am pulling for Something in the Sky. All rights to Docmeff, for he said it first. :p

Missed you! :D

It could also be "District of Columbia". But that would get a little confusing.

[Dr. Locke]

I have two things to say:

2. **** everyone who says that this game is going to suck.

That is all. :p

I don't think it would be wise to assume that you will 'love' the game yet - considering that all we have seen is this one measly trailer.


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[Adam Addict L]

Woo, welcome back gmans.

Yeah, I hope there's viral marketing. I'm starting to doubt it for some reason, though.

I am pulling for Something in the Sky. All rights to Docmeff, for he said it first. :p

I call "Something in the Air'' or ''Something in the Stratosphere'' or ''Something in the Atmosphere"! :D


This has been talked about sooooo much.While Ken didn't really give a definitive answer i think it's implied that this is NOT set in the same universe as Rapture.

I hope not :(

[Reborn in the Ocean]

I am pretty sure this game isn't set in the same universe other wise it would probably mess a lot of things up and they would have to connect the stories so much.

[Grathius22]

Who else thinks Ken will throw us a bone by adding nods to Bioshock?

[Bioshocking123]

:D #1 reason why I love this forum.
Leave for a couple days, come back, a new game is announced and a 100+ page thread is already up disscussing it.
So excited, it's not even funny. Now time to catch up on all that I've missed out on so far lol.

So.... Bioshock of the sky? Very snazzy. Very snazzy indeed.

[IllusionOfLife]

Who else thinks Ken will throw us a bone by adding nods to Bioshock?

There will likely be nods, but that doesn't definitively state that they exist in the same universe. For example, all the Pixar movies have references to the previous works but Cars and WALL•E clearly don't share the same universe.

[z00t]

I don't think it would be wise to assume that you will 'love' the game yet - considering that all we have seen is this one measly trailer.


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But it is perfectly reasonable to say that we like what we see very much! :)

[buddygz]

There will likely be nods, but that doesn't definitively state that they exist in the same universe. For example, all the Pixar movies have references to the previous works but Cars and WALL•E clearly don't share the same universe.
YES, this is exactly what I brought up back at the irrational forums. Bioshock Infinite should only have Pixar nods. Anything more just complicates things.

[MFreak]

Who else thinks Ken will throw us a bone by adding nods to Bioshock?
Well they already did in the first trailer, with the underwater tease at the beginning and the diver statue with the small shell-fish thing on it that looked like a big daddy with a drill.

[Adam Addict L]

There will likely be nods

for some reason I doubt this...since Ken seems to want a Bioshock without Rapture,then I don't see why he would give Rapture Bioshock any nods...even though he's the partial creator of the original Bioshock and even though the original was very successful and won awards and what-not

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Well L I think he will give nods like the little stautes they had in the tank that looked like Big Daddy's and the fact one of the guys appeared to look like Ryan and the one little city thing they had in the tank looked like the logo they used for Rapture almost :p

[madcow96]

I feel awful for saying this but this game makes me wish BioShock 2 was never born. It was an undeniably great game, but this is the direction BioShock should take as a series. It looks to instill all the same feelings the first game did. Not because we're in Rapture, but because we exploring a new world, new tactics, and new ideas, but still seems to have subtle tips of the hat to the original game. The only thing I don't like about it so far is that it takes place before BioShock. I find an undersea city more likely to built before a floating city.

[Invader]

Y'know, I wonder what the currency will be like, and how we'll spend it.

[I Snowboard l]

does anyone have a link to a video of the Demo that IGN got?

sorry if there is one i just didnt feel like looking thru 103 pages

[z00t]

Y'know, I wonder what the currency will be like, and how we'll spend it.

We'll spend our cash on Freedom Fries to replenish our health! Nom nom!



does anyone have a link to a video of the Demo that IGN got?

sorry if there is one i just didnt feel like looking thru 103 pages

No one's got a video of that, I'm afraid! Hopefully, Irrational will release gameplay footage soon ^^.

[I Snowboard l]

No one's got a video of that, I'm afraid! Hopefully, Irrational will release gameplay footage soon ^^.

Oh noes did they not allow even cell phones into the meeting? C'mon IGN you could at least have hidden cameras on your clothes

[Adam Addict L]

Oh noes did they not allow even cell phones into the meeting? C'mon IGN you could at least have hidden cameras on your clothes

Hidden cameras? IGN is IGN,not an organization of super spies lol :p

[magicman4443]

Oh noes did they not allow even cell phones into the meeting? C'mon IGN you could at least have hidden cameras on your clothes
I remember reading somewhere that the confiscated everything electronic before letting them enter the ballroom. Cellphones, laptops, everything. IG is infamous for having tight security on their projects. They won't let anything slip out if they can help it.

[I Snowboard l]

Hidden cameras? IGN is IGN,not an organization of super spies lol :p

I'm just sayin', they totally shuda done it, reading about the crows and what not has me very excited, is there any info on a public release date for the demo video? I think I read that there will be a gameplay trailer in 16 months which is early 2012 so yeah screw that

[Invader]

It just occured to me that Elizabeth sounds EXTREMELY Eleanor-like.

There is a young woman being held in one particular part of a fantasy city, and you need to rescue her and leave the city. When you rescue her, she fights by your side until you escape.

Any idea which BioShock game I'm talking about?

[Grathius22]

It just occured to me that Elizabeth sounds EXTREMELY Eleanor-like.

There is a young woman being held in one particular part of a fantasy city, and you need to rescue her and leave the city. When you rescue her, she fights by your side until you escape.

Any idea which BioShock game I'm talking about?

Er... isn't that the first one? :eek: :D

[Mr. Bubbles~]

Until we get more information, I'm really unsure about all of this. It could turn out fantastic, or it could turn out horrible. I won't say anything more about it until more information is released.

[Invader]

Er... isn't that the first one? :eek: :D

You could definately be onto something! :p

[Chronic Alchemy]

Sorry if this was already posted...

http://kotaku.com/5607451/bioshock-infinite-goes-beyond-the-sea--into-the-skies


DUAL WEILDING IS IN BIOSHOCK INFINITE!!! THANK YOU KEN!!! :D :D :D

[Adam Addict L]

Sorry if this was already posted...

http://kotaku.com/5607451/bioshock-infinite-goes-beyond-the-sea--into-the-skies


DUAL WEILDING IS IN BIOSHOCK INFINITE!!! THANK YOU KEN!!! :D :D :D

can you post the part saying that so we dont have to read THE WHOLE THING? :rolleyes:

[Chronic Alchemy]

can you post the part saying that so we dont have to read THE WHOLE THING? :rolleyes:

Okay!!! Here's the part of the BioShock Infinite Demo Shown same as trailer.
First Paragraph from "Infinite in Action"


Infinite In Action
We were shown a live gameplay demo to get a sense of how Infinite will play. The demo was paced for action and was as heart-racing as a good sequence in the campaign of a Call of Duty. If you've played the BioShocks, as I have, you'd spot the potential for dynamic gameplay. Guns go in your character's right hand. Powers are on the left. The gameplay sequence began with DeWitt walking up one cobblestoned street of Columbia. A floating bell tower teetered and then collapsed in front of him. Up the street, he passed a woman sweeping in her doorway while the building behind her blazed. A dead horse was in the road, being pecked by birds. Columbia's a weird place.

Also, all of the reporters that attended received BioShock Infinite Swag... :/

[Adam Addict L]

Okay!!! Here's the part of the BioShock Infinite Demo Shown same as trailer.
First Paragraph from "Infinite in Action"


Also, all of the reporters that attended received BioShock Infinite Swag... :/

that doesn't nessacerily point to dual weildign though....it doesn't even say both hands will be in use at the same time...plus in Bioshock 1 guns went in the right hand while plasmids went in the left,too...

[STOP@RED]

You know........

If Elizabeth had a Beyonce-like figure than this game would instantly sell more. Because all the perverted preteen boys would buy it just cause:p

[I Snowboard l]

that doesn't nessacerily point to dual weildign though....it doesn't even say both hands will be in use at the same time...plus in Bioshock 1 guns went in the right hand while plasmids went in the left,too...

i was thinking the same thing

fix'd

[Codex]

i was thinking the same thing, this guy is mentally challenged

Comments like that aren't necessarily, please. It's an honest mistake to make.

[I Snowboard l]

Comments like that aren't necessarily, please. It's an honest mistake to make.

sorry i was worried about that after i posted it, fix'd now

[STOP@RED]

Comments like that aren't necessarily, please. It's an honest mistake to make.

mistake to make? Like baking salt in a cake? Or putting a lightningrod in the middle of a lake?:eek:

[z00t]

It just occured to me that Elizabeth sounds EXTREMELY Eleanor-like.

There is a young woman being held in one particular part of a fantasy city, and you need to rescue her and leave the city. When you rescue her, she fights by your side until you escape.

Any idea which BioShock game I'm talking about?


True there sounds a certain degree of similarity, but I suspect that we'll be rescuing Elizabeth much earlier than we rescued Eleanor, and I believe that that would make a bigger difference than it may sound like!

Consider: Irrational Games chose to talk about the interaction between your character and Elizabeth right from the first day they announced the game, and showcasing how you two can be a tag-team with synergistic powers (IE - she causes a raincloud to drench your enemies while you zap 'em with electricity).

Here's a quote from the Kotaku preview:

She is a computer-controlled ally and she is not, Levine told me, ever supposed to feel like a nuisance, a video game "escort mission"-style hindrance. She is instead, he said, a character, one who will enable the type of in-the-midst-of-gameplay dialogue-driven storytelling seen among the characters of Valve's Left 4 Dead.

I don't think they'd talk so much about you and Elizabeth unless the tag-team aspect is a much more important part of Bioshock Infinite's gameplay than it was in Bioshock 2 (where Eleanor could do her own thing). They said in one interview that Elizabeth won't kill anyone outright - she'll just use powers that are supportive in nature, so you can ignore her completely if you want to.

It'll also be important from a narrative standpoint because Ken Levine's been saying in all the BSI interviews that he wasn't happy with the talking-behind-glass-windows schtick in the original Bioshock. This time around, he wants the player to be really interacting with other characters and having a proper dialogue.

[Adam Addict L]

i was thinking the same thing

yea...any talk about dual-wielding right now is pure speculation unless we get a quote specifically saying ''HEY GUYZ U R GONAN BE USIN UR GUNZ AND POWERZ AT THE SANME TIME IN THIZ GAME!!''

[Big Bad Sister]

Many people criticized the objectification of Eleanor as a weapon in BioShock 2. BioShock Infinite will actually treat this matter as a moral issue to be explored! :D

[IllusionOfLife]

Many people criticized the objectification of Eleanor as a weapon in BioShock 2.

Really? I hadn't heard that one. Granted it makes sense for that to be a complaint that would arise I just hadn't heard about it before. :confused:

[janissary12]

uhhh...ipso facto??? English plz?? :confused:
The whole frickin' internet at your fingers and you can't educate yourself?

[Adam Addict L]

The whole frickin' internet at your fingers and you can't educate yourself?

pardon my laziness :p

[temporaryplaceholder]

pardon my laziness :p

Aww, don't mind mr grumpy pants, he seems to have quite an unjustified superiority complex toward everyone around here. :rolleyes:

[Invader]

Aww, don't mind mr grumpy pants, he seems to have quite an unjustified superiority complex toward everyone around here. :rolleyes:

HE doesn't have a superiority complex. I do!


Ha! TEMPORARY place holder? MINE IS PERMANENT! HA. HA. HA! :rolleyes: (Sarcasim, of course!)


So, I like how you can't abuse Elizabeth's powers, like you could just totally take advantage of Eleanor's Big Sister abilities is BS2. This is really starting (continuing) to look cool!

[Angel Mr B]

I feel awful for saying this but this game makes me wish BioShock 2 was never born. It was an undeniably great game, but this is the direction BioShock should take as a series. It looks to instill all the same feelings the first game did. Not because we're in Rapture, but because we exploring a new world, new tactics, and new ideas, but still seems to have subtle tips of the hat to the original game. The only thing I don't like about it so far is that it takes place before BioShock. I find an undersea city more likely to built before a floating city.


Agree. It would have been more technical advanced to build a city floating on airballoons, than a city at the bottom of the sea!

I am still a little split about this game. Rapture is a neutral City free from law and goverment! Columbia seems very Americanized! But if it has the real Bioshock feeling, the same great characters that the Bioshock games has, (especially the first one:D ) the same tactics and gameplay as Bioshock, and special powers like the plasmids (It supposed to have!!) This can be a blast! The graphics are wonderful. Unreal engine 3,5????? One thing that´s worries me is that i read in the game specs that it is an Action, Role playing game! I don´t like role playing games (with a exeption of The elder scrolls: Oblivion!) I hope they just mean RPG elements in the game!

But as people says here, i really wants a hole lot more information on this game. AND PLEASE I hope this game is SP oriented like Bioshock 1 Sure i love BS2 Multiplayer, but for this one i hope for just an extreamly good SP story driven game! /Johan

[Adam Addict L]

take advantage of Eleanor is BS2.

Oh my. You MAY want to rephrase that :rolleyes: :p


Agree. It would have been more technical advanced to build a city floating on airballoons

especially in 19-freakin' TWELVE when technology was BARELY,IF EVEN, EXISTENT

[Grathius22]

I believe a sky city, before I do a sea city.

[Adam Addict L]

I believe a sky city, before I do a sea city.

I believe the idea of sinking a city under the sea is more plausible than the idea of attaching hot air balloons to a city and expecting it fly/float...especially in 19-freaking 12 when technology was just a baby

[Grathius22]

I believe the idea of sinking a city under the sea is more plausible than the idea of attaching hot air balloons to a city and expecting it fly/float...especially in 19-freaking 12 when technology was just a baby

With enough balloons, it's possible. Plus, I saw parachutes and giant fans too.

[mrgrimmykins]

Come with me and you'll be in a world of pureee imaginattttion!!

sorry seeing the floating city makes me sing that. But like that guy said enough blowing fans and balloons it could float.

[temporaryplaceholder]

Haha, Invader. I guess you've proven your sense of self-worth to be valid, then. :(


I believe the idea of sinking a city under the sea is more plausible than the idea of attaching hot air balloons to a city and expecting it fly/float...especially in 19-freaking 12 when technology was just a baby

Agreed, but just the birth of modern technology or not, it was time of incredibly significant boom! I can only imagine the imaginative "retrofuture" stories that would have circulated of times to come. Such grandiose as flying cities... is so much more whimpsical and fun than anything I can imagine 100 years into our future.

I'm excited to see what other wonders lay in store besides the obvious ones we've already been introduced to... and it's strange to think that considering the timeframe, even some of the basic things we take for granted would have been awe inspiring to the people of this era. Like automatic doors in BS1: well before it's time in the real world- and in some respects, it still is (they're around sure, but not so commonplace!)

I love retro-future concepts so much.. it may have been one of the things that first drew me to look at Bioshock. :D

[BiggerDaddier]

Ignore all of the balance, repair, storm conditions, and resupply issues. Just think about fuel. FUEL. To keep ONE office building in the air. A measly sedan will burn a tank of gas to travel a few hundred miles HORIZONTALLY. But I will forgive every single realism issue in a game for a great gameplay experience: therefore I will not lose sleep over where they would get/store/refine/burn enough gas to keep their infrastructure airborn.

My only concern here is that it seems to be far less survival-horror-ish. Perhaps Irrational is perfectly capable of making a really fun action sci-fi RPG type thing, and I will enjoy it thoroughly. But I would still miss the chance at another great gut-turning, spine-tingling romp.

[Spikerosered]

I'm just going to assume that Bioshock Infinite by being a "spiritual successor" means it is not going to take place in the Rapture universe.

Watch Andrew Ryan pop up in the world to mess that theory up though...

[Grathius22]

I'm just going to assume that Bioshock Infinite by being a "spiritual successor" means it is not going to take place in the Rapture universe.

Watch Andrew Ryan pop up in the world to mess that theory up though...

I think it's a spiritual successor and nothing more.

[Adam Addict L]

Like automatic doors in BS1: well before it's time in the real world-

yeeeaaa...where the heck did Rapture get those things in 1946 anyway?! :eek:

[z00t]

Such grandiose as flying cities... is so much more whimpsical and fun than anything I can imagine 100 years into our future.



I'd love to see a Dinosaur in my lifetime! And not one of those small feathery ones either, but a proper one like a Stegosaurus!

However, I'd probably settle for flying hot dog stands!

[Thelom]

Looks very excessive. I hope it will be scary!

[Big Bad Sister]

Looks very excessive. I hope it will be scary!I'd say that the trailer was pretty scary.

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

Ignore all of the balance, repair, storm conditions, and resupply issues. Just think about fuel. FUEL. To keep ONE office building in the air. A measly sedan will burn a tank of gas to travel a few hundred miles HORIZONTALLY. But I will forgive every single realism issue in a game for a great gameplay experience: therefore I will not lose sleep over where they would get/store/refine/burn enough gas to keep their infrastructure airborn.

My only concern here is that it seems to be far less survival-horror-ish. Perhaps Irrational is perfectly capable of making a really fun action sci-fi RPG type thing, and I will enjoy it thoroughly. But I would still miss the chance at another great gut-turning, spine-tingling romp.

Oh, but you don't need fuel when you have Cavorite (http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=717) my dear boy!


I'd love to see a Dinosaur in my lifetime! And not one of those small feathery ones either, but a proper one like a Stegosaurus!

However, I'd probably settle for flying hot dog stands!

I'd give anything for a pet T-Rex, his name would be Patches (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL3a4qYZIyM) and I would love him with all my heart.

[tommyh84]

So since the trailer was released has any more details been leaked?

I'm not reading through the entire thread :p

[Shades]

So since the trailer was released has any more details been leaked?

I'm not reading through the entire thread :p

We know nothing more at this time unfortunately.

[Big Bad Sister]

Yeah, at this point, this thread has exhausted all of our plausible speculation options. :p

[conantheking]

We can repeatedly let everyone know we are jumping up and down with joy in the mean time however.

[Skibur]

Freaking awesome! I just watched the trailer and I'm speechless...

[Adam Addict L]

You know,here's something I don't think anyone has brought up yet: I wonder if we'll be able ''hack'' any type of devices in this game???

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Who knows if you can but if they have devices that can be "hacked" I think it will work and should be very fun and intersting how they make the hacking system work out well.

[Incinerate]

Me wants to see if they even have plasmids or not, there was no proof of any in the trailer, I wonder what the people will be like in it.

OMG 666 POSTS!

[Reborn in the Ocean]

They will probably end up having something similar to plasmids.

[Shades]

They will probably end up having something similar to plasmids.

If they want to keep the game true to the series, then they should definitely include plasmid-like powers.

I hope Infinite is just a temporary name, I can't stand it!

[Big Bad Sister]

I hope Infinite is just a temporary name, I can't stand it!Haha! I think that you're the first person here to complain about that part of the title! :D

[Shades]

Haha! I think that you're the first person here to complain about that part of the title! :D

Heh heh, yeah. :D Seriously though, it should almost certainly be changed. Although, come to think, it's very hard to find an appropriate name for it.

[z00t]

Some unanswered story questions:

Ken Levine said that Booker DeWitt is a former Pinkerton agent who is 'known as a man who gets things done... for a price.' Why then is he currently 'disgraced'?

Who is DeWitt's employer?

How does DeWitt's employer know where Columbia is?

What is DeWitt's employer's relation to Elizabeth?

Why does DeWitt's employer want Elizabeth rescued?

Why did DeWitt's employer wait for 15 years before attempting a rescue mission for Elizabeth?

If Columbia has been missing for 12 years, does that mean Elizabeth was kidnapped before Columbia was unveiled?

How does Elizabeth have special powers?

Why was Elizabeth kidnapped and by whom?

Why is Elizabeth central to the civil conflict in Columbia?

What is the cause for the civil conflict in Columbia?

What technology is used that allows these special drinks in Columbia to confer the drinker with power?

What are the 'Sky Daddies'?

What was the 'international incident' that caused Columbia to disappear into the clouds?

What was 'the Siege of Columbia'?

What happened in Columbia in the decade since its disappearance?

If Columbia is a '20th-century Death Star', what armaments does the city have besides the mortar cannons?

[Supercharge]

okay, i've just read this thread from start to finish and so i'll add my thoughts

while i was a bit worried about how it had moved on from rapture..looking at other 're-imaginings' it could have been worse. i get the same feeling i did from bioshock looking at this and there are many parralels.

Ken said in that interview that fans will need to watch out to see if the game is within the same universe as Rapture. now unless he's just saying this to encourage bioshock fans to buy it, i feel he's implying there could be some hidden references. maybe the destruction of Columbia is why Ryan ultimately decides it's impossible to build a city in the sky, and so chooses underwater

i like the idea we could have several of such hidden super cities across the globe(future games?). in glaciers, underground or within volcanos. :D and i will certainly be sad enough to look them up on google earth

i always felt 'bioshock' was the experience someone had when they first spliced. where their body goes into shock due to the biological changes. so i dont mind them using the bioshock name. 'infinite' though..sounds pretty lame, if the name had to be changed, that would be my favoured part to change

stratoshock does sound cool though :cool:

open ground allows for sniping, which was limited in bioshock 1+2 due to the enclosed spaces. also im praying the story wont be linear and we will have some freedom within the city

i loved bioshock 1 for the atmosphere, i adored bioshock 2 for it's story (i mean seriously, those endings :eek: ) and gameplay
i would love this game if it had all of that + more freedom

one huge thing that this game MUST have though is moral choices. that for me is what makes the bioshock series. so i wonder..if not sisters..then what?
maybe the choice to help foreigners in the city, or to follow the cities implied philosophy and be a bit..meaner

[janissary12]

Heh heh, yeah. :D Seriously though, it should almost certainly be changed. Although, come to think, it's very hard to find an appropriate name for it.

Bioshock: Columbia
Bioshock: Destiny
Bioshock: Manifest (surprised that one worked)
Bioshock: 1912

+++++++++++++++
Bioshock games have traditionally ended with a world-changing DECISION. re: Ken's remark in the post above: if you are BAD Jack, you release splicers and nukes on Earth, in 1961.

If you make a decision in BSI in 1912, it certainly defines how the world will change, leaving Andrew Rayovich (or whatev) in Russia, the US in godknows what state, etc.

IOW, YOU may be the defining element that decides if Rapture CAN be built!!!!!

[X1 BLACKOUT 1X]

Bioshock: Columbia
Bioshock: Destiny
Bioshock: Manifest (surprised that one worked)
Bioshock: 1912

+++++++++++++++
Bioshock games have traditionally ended with a world-changing DECISION. re: Ken's remark in the post above: if you are BAD Jack, you release splicers and nukes on Earth, in 1961.

If you make a decision in BSI in 1912, it certainly defines how the world will change, leaving Andrew Rayovich (or whatev) in Russia, the US in godknows what state, etc.

IOW, YOU may be the defining element that decides if Rapture CAN be built!!!!!

Ohhh what if you can shoot the balloons that hold the buildings up and cause them fall?

Probably a bad idea though, I'd have too much fun with that.

[Phil Isadore]

Bioshock: Columbia
Bioshock: Destiny
Bioshock: Manifest (surprised that one worked)
Bioshock: 1912

+++++++++++++++
Bioshock games have traditionally ended with a world-changing DECISION. re: Ken's remark in the post above: if you are BAD Jack, you release splicers and nukes on Earth, in 1961.

If you make a decision in BSI in 1912, it certainly defines how the world will change, leaving Andrew Rayovich (or whatev) in Russia, the US in godknows what state, etc.

IOW, YOU may be the defining element that decides if Rapture CAN be built!!!!!

You might be right, but maybe whatever happens at the end of the game leads Ryan to believe the world is doomed or something like that.

As far as my speculation to why Elizabeth is so important to Columbia maybe its because she has actual superpowers and they're making those plasmids :confused: off of her. But thats just my guess

[TheEternalOne]

Ohhh what if you can shoot the balloons that hold the buildings up and cause them fall?

Probably a bad idea though, I'd have too much fun with that.

That would be awesome.

[Supercharge]

Bioshock: Columbia


i like this one :D , i've said it other in my head and i feel it fits. it would also help point out that this is about a seperate city.

simple yet perfect

[I Snowboard l]

Bioshock: Columbia
Bioshock: Destiny
Bioshock: Manifest (surprised that one worked)
Bioshock: 1912

Bioshock: 1912 sounds epic

[Tycho.]

Bioshock: 1912 sounds epic



Yeah, not a ripoff at all.....


*Cough*BattleField*Cough*


:p

[Skibur]

As far as my speculation to why Elizabeth is so important to Columbia maybe its because she has actual superpowers and they're making those plasmids :confused: off of her. But thats just my guess
It would be cool if that's where it all started.

I also like the theories of Ryan being there and creating Rapture after the events of Infinite.

I think the more they tie Bioshock 1 and Infinite together the better.

[I Snowboard l]

Yeah, not a ripoff at all.....


*Cough*BattleField*Cough*


:p

Ohh thats why it sounds familiar haha

Bioshock: Columbia then

[z00t]

As far as my speculation to why Elizabeth is so important to Columbia maybe its because she has actual superpowers and they're making those plasmids :confused: off of her. But thats just my guess


Indeed! That is the hypothesis I reached as I was typing up my list :p. Of course, it begs the question of why she's so important in the conflict in Columbia. Are there people who are opposed to her being imprisoned in Columbia, just on moral grounds?

Maybe the conflict is between those who are genetically enhanced and those who aren't? I'm just trying to work out how this can be tied into the eugenicist vibe of the city, but I think we still need more information :p.

Incidentally, I vote for Bioshock: UP

[IllusionOfLife]

I think the more they tie Bioshock 1 and Infinite together the better.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one. It seems like Rapture's history has already been well represented by the cannon. To try to retcon more information into the cannon would be a mistake in my opinion.

Ryan's motivations for Rapture were clear: he hated the communism of the Soviet Union, so he left in 1919. America seemed to be the place he was looking for but after the Great Depression happened and policies like The New Deal went into effect, he realized that America was no better for what he wanted so he built his own city, away from the influence of other governments. Anything that would happen in BioShock Infinite would happen before Ryan left the Russia, and to try to tie the two things together would lead to all sorts of continuity issues and a broken cannon.

I say that the less the two are related the better. I'm ok with little Pixar-style nods, but other than that Rapture and Columbia should be kept in two separate universes.

[Supercharge]

with this siege of columbia stuff. do you think there could be some other factions/people from other countries?(special forces maybe) after all, it's not impossible that Columbia's.. reaction to foreigners will not be tolerated.

the morality could be whether you decide to work for the foreigners or kill them

either that or this imperialistic city have something planned for the world, i've heard it described as a 'death star' and i can only wonder what awaits Americas enemies.

If we say Andrew Ryan is in Russia.. it's possible Columbia floats over there as the people's hostilities are inflamed by the genetic mutations or whatever they are. You have to stop a third world war breaking out. the city is eventually brought down but the weckages is quickly salvaged and kept hidden from the rest of the world. But Andrew Ryan sees the mighty city crash in his country and perhaps gets a look at it..

he is initially impressed and so decides america is greater than russia, so leaves for america. but after he's fed up with their he then takes the ideas of this city..to create his own :eek:

this is just random speculation though. however i do feel the city may become known as an enemy to much of the world by the sound of it.

[Skibur]

Hmm, good points.

It's a shame, as I think running into Ryan would have been pretty cool.

Fontaine perhaps?

[Adam James Walker]

It would be cool if that's where it all started.

I also like the theories of Ryan being there and creating Rapture after the events of Infinite.

I think the more they tie Bioshock 1 and Infinite together the better.

Then building a city at the bottom of the sea would no longer be the impossible, that flying city would probably be more difficult to build and maintain. Ryan was born in Russia, he hated Communism, went to America, made it big, watched the government become more of a welfare state and decided he would create a world for HIM and the people who believed similar ideals. He wasn't jealous of the sky city or whatever. Thank god Something in the Sea happened because any chances of the two games sharing canon must be impossible.

[gloher]

It would be cool if that's where it all started.

I also like the theories of Ryan being there and creating Rapture after the events of Infinite.

I think the more they tie Bioshock 1 and Infinite together the better.

ADAM is the power of plasmids.. they have super regenerating powers. and elizabeths DNA has those powers like plasmids.. they modified ADAM to create those plasmids... and those splicing is a DNA side effect i suppose

:::::MOVED::::

[Skibur]

I just think that the characters from the first Bioshock game were so great it would be a waste not to feature some of them again in this game, or another (like the Bioshock prequel in Rapture's heyday).

Ryan being one. Sander Cohen would be another.

[gloher]

You might be right, but maybe whatever happens at the end of the game leads Ryan to believe the world is doomed or something like that.

As far as my speculation to why Elizabeth is so important to Columbia maybe its because she has actual superpowers and they're making those plasmids :confused: off of her. But thats just my guess

ADAM is the power of plasmids.. they have super regenerating powers. and elizabeths DNA has those powers like plasmids.. they modified ADAM to create those plasmids... and those splicing is a DNA side effect i suppose

[Shades]

Bioshock: 1912


That's actually really good. It could work!

[I Snowboard l]

That's actually really good. It could work!

Then someone pointed out Battlefield: 1912 lol

[X1 BLACKOUT 1X]

Then someone pointed out Battlefield: 1912 lol

Haha I actually liked Bioshock:1912 until somebody said that.

We should still use it though :P

[Phil Isadore]

I wonder what they'll do for weapons because I pretty sure there were no machine guns back in 1912 or at least ones you could carry.

[X1 BLACKOUT 1X]

I wonder what they'll do for weapons because I pretty sure there were no machine guns back in 1912 or at least ones you could carry.

That...is a good point.

Didn't we have M1 Grandes by this time though?

[Phil Isadore]

That...is a good point.

Didn't we have M1 Grandes by this time though?

I'm not sure but I guess you have to ask if you really need a machine gun because these enemies aren't splicers so maybe they might go down with one well place bullet.

[Adam James Walker]

That...is a good point.

Didn't we have M1 Grandes by this time though?

Not in 1912, but on wikipedia the M1 Garands predeccesor, the M1903 Spring was the standard rifle in the US Army from 1905 to 1936/7, so maybe this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1903_Springfield

[STOP@RED]

The title should be

Bioshock: SSDD

(Same Shi* Different Decade)

[Big Bad Sister]

The title should be

Bioshock: SSDD

(Same Shi* Different Dimension)Now you sound like a Japanese anime nerd. -_-

[STOP@RED]

Now you sound like a Japanese anime nerd. -_-

ahh you quoted me before I edited it

[badsmed]

Not to be troublemaker, but should all this talk not be going on at http://www.irrationalgames.com/community/forums/ instead?

I mean, i doubt irrational are checking this forum, and perhaps devs would make some posts, if it were on their forum. Just saying;)

[Pandion]

So Columbia goes up in 1900.

Wright Bros. successful flight in 1903.

By 1912 countries would just start sending planes up to attack the city. Assuming they could find it of course.

[Oberael]

I wonder what they'll do for weapons because I pretty sure there were no machine guns back in 1912 or at least ones you could carry.

Semi-automatic pistols have been around for a hell of a lot longer than you'd think.

[janissary12]

You might be right, but maybe whatever happens at the end of the game leads Ryan to believe the world is doomed or something like that.
Ryan is a child at that time.

[janissary12]

i like this one :D , i've said it other in my head and i feel it fits. it would also help point out that this is about a seperate city.

simple yet perfect
I like "Bioshock: Columbia" too, but too many kids from the back of the class are gonna be all "Columbia? Like Bogota? And cocaine??"


---Ohhhhh, the country is Colombia. Well, everyone will catch that than. :cool: :cool: :cool:

:rolleyes:

+++++++

Yeah, not a ripoff at all.....
*Cough*BattleField*Cough*

Literally never heard of it. "{BLANK}: {DATE}" is a pretty common construction for titles.

[Invader]

Oh my. You MAY want to rephrase that :rolleyes: :p

O gawd. >_> Rephrased it.

[janissary12]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one. It seems like Rapture's history has already been well represented by the cannon. To try to retcon more information into the cannon would be a mistake in my opinion.
I share this opinion, ---except for the spelling of "canon": ;)


can·on
Pronunciation: \ˈka-nən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English, from Late Latin, from Latin, ruler, rule, model, standard, from Greek kanōn
Date: before 12th century


3 [Middle English, from Late Latin, from Latin, standard] a : an authoritative list of books accepted as Holy Scripture b : the authentic works of a writer c : a sanctioned or accepted group or body of related works <the canon of great literature>
4 a : an accepted principle or rule b : a criterion or standard of judgment c : a body of principles, rules, standards, or norms



LOL, the wikipedia article even starts with "Not to be confused with Cannon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannon)." :D :) :D

I say that the less the two are related the better. I'm ok with little Pixar-style nods, but other than that Rapture and Columbia should be kept in two separate universes.
What he said, VERY much so. The faux-drill on the little diver cracked me up.

[envoyofnature]

Not to be troublemaker, but should all this talk not be going on at http://www.irrationalgames.com/community/forums/ instead?

I mean, i doubt irrational are checking this forum, and perhaps devs would make some posts, if it were on their forum. Just saying;)

No it shouldn't and i will tell you why because this is a forum for anything related to 2K and everything doesn't flow, or shouldn't to a specific site and besides we are a community of people that know each other pretty well and like to discuss anything bioshock related. There are plenty of forums out there but the this topic fits.

Bioshock Infinite is looking like a pretty cool game right now. I like the concept of the game and i have to say that i can't wait for more.

[Angel Mr B]

I am pretty sure this game isn't set in the same universe other wise it would probably mess a lot of things up and they would have to connect the stories so much.


I think it is, because one can clearly see a big daddy figure at the beginning of the video! /Johan

[xXDrillToUrFace]

I have a Theory for Bioshock Infinite storyline I believe that Andrew Ryan is the Main Character for this prequel before you call bull, hear me out in the trailer you see a man dunking his head in a fish tank right?

Here lies a Replica of Rapture right could this be plans for a under water city it might be also as you can see, why would a Big Daddy go after a man who was dunking his head in a fish tank hmmm maybe to keep a man from stealing those plans to make a Under water city to use for himself.

See its starting to link up also before you ask why would someone hide plans in a fish tank probably because no one would suspect it, maybe people thought it would be something else so that my Theory for Bioshock Infinite also i heard someone mention on this forum that the next Bioshock game will take place in the sky I applaud who predicted that.

[Invader]

I have a Theory for Bioshock Infinite storyline I believe that Andrew Ryan is the Main Character for this prequel before you call bull, hear me out in the trailer you see a man dunking his head in a fish tank right?

Here lies a Replica of Rapture right could this be plans for a under water city it might be also as you can see, why would a Big Daddy go after a man who was dunking his head in a fish tank hmmm maybe to keep a man from stealing those plans to make a Under water city to use for himself.

See its starting to link up also before you ask why would someone hide plans in a fish tank probably because no one would suspect it, maybe people thought it would be something else so that my Theory for Bioshock Infinite also i heard someone mention on this forum that the next Bioshock game will take place in the sky I applaud who predicted that.


The "Big Daddy" was drowning the man in the fish tank. He wasn't looking at it. >_> Also, Rapture is a secret. Why would Ryan tell the world about it at the World's Fair? Also, in 1912, Ryan is a little kid.


Also, this man is Booker DeWitt. Why would Booker want to build an underwater city? He's just a former Pinkerton agent whose been recruited to save Elizabeth.

[Phil Isadore]

I have a Theory for Bioshock Infinite storyline I believe that Andrew Ryan is the Main Character for this prequel before you call bull, hear me out in the trailer you see a man dunking his head in a fish tank right?

Here lies a Replica of Rapture right could this be plans for a under water city it might be also as you can see, why would a Big Daddy go after a man who was dunking his head in a fish tank hmmm maybe to keep a man from stealing those plans to make a Under water city to use for himself.

See its starting to link up also before you ask why would someone hide plans in a fish tank probably because no one would suspect it, maybe people thought it would be something else so that my Theory for Bioshock Infinite also i heard someone mention on this forum that the next Bioshock game will take place in the sky I applaud who predicted that.

Good thoery but Janissary said the Ryan was a kid then which actually makes sense because he was like what in his late 50's in 1960 so he'd be a kid in 1912

[Invader]

Good thoery but Janissary said the Ryan was a kid then which actually makes sense because he was like what in his late 50's in 1960 so he'd be a kid in 1912

And DeWitt was being drowned in the fish tank, not stealing some secret plans...

[BiggerDaddier]

According to the Bioshock wiki, Ryan is born in 1892 (I have no idea where that comes from, but w/e). This makes Ryan 20ish in 1912. Young, but not a little kid.

However, I doubt that Ryan is the main character, or in the game at all. I'd think he would want as little to do with a large governmental undertaking as possible. Perhaps he might want to scope out his 'competition'... but it's a huge stretch. I definitely don't want (personally) Infinite to turn into a shameless string of pointless inside jokes and references to the first two Bioshocks.

[janissary12]

I think it is, because one can clearly see a big daddy figure at the beginning of the video! /Johan
They're just teasing you: that's just an aquarium diver holding a seashell.


I lol'd.

[xXDrillToUrFace]

The "Big Daddy" was drowning the man in the fish tank. He wasn't looking at it. >_> Also, Rapture is a secret. Why would Ryan tell the world about it at the World's Fair? Also, in 1912, Ryan is a little kid.


Also, this man is Booker DeWitt. Why would Booker want to build an underwater city? He's just a former Pinkerton agent whose been recruited to save Elizabeth.O_O Didn't know my bad well I guess we gotta a wait for something to happen before we make theories.

[janissary12]

According to the Bioshock wiki, Ryan is born in 1892 (I have no idea where that comes from, but w/e). This makes Ryan 20ish in 1912. Young, but not a little kid.
The Wiki is so often wrong I never trust it. That would make Ryan 68 in 1960.

That's a pretty vigorous 68yo. meh. :p

[BiggerDaddier]

The Wiki is so often wrong I never trust it. That would make Ryan 68 in 1960.

That's a pretty vigorous 68yo. meh. :p

I have made the same observations, but afterall, he's no parasite! A little hair dye and physical activity (he did take walks, after all) could account for his appearance.

[xXDrillToUrFace]

The Wiki is so often wrong I never trust it. That would make Ryan 68 in 1960.

That's a pretty vigorous 68yo. meh. :pmaybe he use some Adam to make him self look younger meh Adam basically plot hole filler anyway why not they might use the Force in Infinite.

[Phil Isadore]

According to the Bioshock wiki, Ryan is born in 1892 (I have no idea where that comes from, but w/e). This makes Ryan 20ish in 1912. Young, but not a little kid.

However, I doubt that Ryan is the main character, or in the game at all. I'd think he would want as little to do with a large governmental undertaking as possible. Perhaps he might want to scope out his 'competition'... but it's a huge stretch. I definitely don't want (personally) Infinite to turn into a shameless string of pointless inside jokes and references to the first two Bioshocks.

Oh wow I didn't know that. BTW where did they get the info on Ryan? Was it in the game or is it just speculation?

[Ryan's number 1 fan]

maybe he use some Adam to make him self look younger meh Adam basically plot hole filler anyway why not they might use the Force in Infinite.

Player: ZOMG PLOTHOLE!:eek:

Designer: >.>
<.<
God did it.

[I Snowboard l]

Player: ZOMG PLOTHOLE!:eek:

Designer: >.>
<.<
God did it.

No one has found an answer to your post yet, I did though

[Adam Addict L]

O gawd. >_> Rephrased it.

haha :p


Ryan is a child at that time.


Also, in 1912, Ryan is a little kid.



Good thoery but Janissary said the Ryan was a kid then which actually makes sense because he was like what in his late 50's in 1960 so he'd be a kid in 1912


According to the Bioshock wiki, Ryan is born in 1892 (I have no idea where that comes from, but w/e). This makes Ryan 20ish in 1912. Young, but not a little kid.

However, I doubt that Ryan is the main character, or in the game at all. I'd think he would want as little to do with a large governmental undertaking as possible. Perhaps he might want to scope out his 'competition'... but it's a huge stretch. I definitely don't want (personally) Infinite to turn into a shameless string of pointless inside jokes and references to the first two Bioshocks.


The Wiki is so often wrong I never trust it. That would make Ryan 68 in 1960.

Wrong or not,Ryan left Russia in only 1919,which only a few years off from the year Columbia is set in,so Ryan couldn't possibly be TOO young in 1912

[janissary12]

Wrong or not,Ryan left Russia in only 1919,which only a few years off from the year Columbia is set in,so Ryan couldn't possibly be TOO young in 1912
Well, lessee: Rand, b.1905, emigrated to US in 1926, so she was 21.

Lets say Ryan was 21 in 1919: he's 14 in 1912 (ha, the 'golden age of Rand fans'*).

Guess you're right: 14 is certainly old enough to be profoundly affected by current events.


*"What's the golden age of Sci-Fi?" "Thirteen to fifteen."

[Adam Addict L]

14 is certainly old enough to be profoundly affected by current events

I'm not saying that,I'm just saying he wouldn't be a little kid,as 14 is a teenager :rolleyes:

[Invader]

I'm not saying that,I'm just saying he wouldn't be a little kid,as 14 is a teenager :rolleyes:

Yes, and he's certainly not in Columbia- or has any plans to build Rapture at the time.

[janissary12]

I'm not saying that,I'm just saying he wouldn't be a little kid,as 14 is a teenager :rolleyes:
In case it didn't come thru, I was agreeing. :rolleyes:

[z00t]

At the end of the game, as Columbia crashes into the earth and you and your handful of buddies (which you've met on your adventures) escape on a Zeppelin, you are talking to a young man about the failings of Columbia and it is revealed that DeWitt is actually your middle name and that 'Sullivan' is your last name! You also have a son who's kinda taking after you and is training to be a police officer.

The man you've been talking to says: "I am Andrew Ryan, and I'd like to ask you a question..."

Cue end credits!

[Massive joke quotes]I am not actually being serious!

[Pandion]

At the end of the game, as Columbia crashes into the earth and you and your handful of buddies (which you've met on your adventures) escape on a Zeppelin, you are talking to a young man about the failings of Columbia and it is revealed that DeWitt is actually your middle name and that 'Sullivan' is your last name! You also have a son who's kinda taking after you and is training to be a police officer.

The man you've been talking to says: "I am Andrew Ryan, and I'd like to ask you a question..."

Cue end credits!

[Massive joke quotes]I am not actually being serious!

Awww man! You kidder.

[huckleberrypie]

Just thought of doing a mock NES version:
http://bioshockinfinite.ytmnd.com/
:D

[soundwave145]

is the rose in bioshock 2 considered a hint to this game?

[Adam Addict L]

Just thought of doing a mock NES version:
http://bioshockinfinite.ytmnd.com/
:D

gotta love YTMND :D

[huckleberrypie]

gotta love YTMND :D

Yep, semi-regular contributor in that site. Thought of putting a BSI-themed site upon seeing the trailer.

[Buck R.]

I AM PHYCHED FOR THIS GAME!!! I cant wait to see the cyborg!

[Adam Addict L]

Yep, semi-regular contributor in that site. Thought of putting a BSI-themed site upon seeing the trailer.

someone should do a Bioshock 1 or Bioshock 2 thing like that on YTMND :D

[z00t]

I AM PHYCHED FOR THIS GAME!!! I cant wait to see the cyborg!


Only watch the first 15 seconds of this video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=803E2JPBZy4

[Invader]

gotta love YTMND :D

Does that game actually do something? Can you press start?! D:

[gmans94]

Until we get more information, I'm really unsure about all of this. It could turn out fantastic, or it could turn out horrible. I won't say anything more about it until more information is released.

I couldn't agree more. There's been one trailer, pre-rendered CGI. I'm not going to make good game/bad game decisions based off of teaser trailer.
Yes, I'm excited, but I'm excited oh-so very meekly.

[Big Bad Sister]

Wow ... is this thread actually dying after only a few days of existing? O_o

[Shades]

Wow ... is this thread actually dying after only a few days of existing? O_o

As soon as more information is released, this thread will boom with life. Trust me.

[Big Bad Sister]

As soon as more information is released, this thread will boom with life. Trust me.Nah, another thread will be made to discuss the new info. :p

[Shades]

Nah, another thread will be made to discuss the new info. :p

If this happens, the thread will (probably) be deleted. Everything Infinite related should really be posted here.

[Big Bad Sister]

If this happens, the thread will (probably) be deleted. Everything Infinite related should really be posted here.2K Forums doesn't delete anything. 2K Elizabeth told me that.

[Codex]

2K Forums doesn't delete anything. 2K Elizabeth told me that.

But it does get moved to a spam forum that none of us can see.

Please get the thread back on topic, which is discussing Bioshock Infinite.

[Buck R.]

But it does get moved to a spam forum that none of us can see.

Please get the thread back on topic, which is discussing Bioshock Infinite.

Agreed. Now, given the fact that Columbia is an extreme patriatism that is a sort of shrine to the U.S.A, than its likely that Most if not all the characters are American, as opposed to Rapture's very diverse world where many ethnicities were present. Does any one think this is for the better or worse?

[Big Bad Sister]

Agreed. Now, given the fact that Columbia is an extreme patriatism that is a sort of shrine to the U.S.A, than its likely that Most if not all the characters are American, as opposed to Rapture's very diverse world where many ethnicities were present. Does any one think this is for the better or worse?What do you mean by "better or worse?"

[Buck R.]

What do you mean by "better or worse?"

One nice thing about Rapture was all the diverse characters that had something that defined them from the rest. Many talked about there home country's and their thoughts on it, and others had unforgetable accents that made them unique. So would it be good or bad if all the characters casme from the same area of the world with the same ideoligy. I'm nuetral on it but I've heard others complain that its not as diverse.

[Big Bad Sister]

One nice thing about Rapture was all the diverse characters that had something that defined them from the rest. Many talked about there home country's and their thoughts on it, and others had unforgetable accents that made them unique. So would it be good or bad if all the characters casme from the same area of the world with the same ideoligy. I'm nuetral on it but I've heard others complain that its not as diverse.True, but the United States is a country of immigrants, so there might be as much diversity in Columbia as there is in Rapture.

[Buck R.]

True, but the United States is a country of immigrants, so there might be as much diversity in Columbia as there is in Rapture.

Your probably correct that some immigrants were brought along for labor purposes, which means racism is probably a big factor in Columbia.

[X1 BLACKOUT 1X]

True, but the United States is a country of immigrants, so there might be as much diversity in Columbia as there is in Rapture.

Ahh I don't know, people were pretty racist back then.

I'm not being racist here, but I can see them only allowing somebody who isn't a white American sign a contract saying they'll do the scummy work nobody wants to do or isn't fun and generally putting them down.

Perhaps this is how they're able to have Sky Daddies?

[EliteRosie]

That is true but I think the characters will be less unique because you have to remember that Columbia was supposed to be like a worlds fair showing off Americas ingenuity and wealth. There was probably a mental screening process with the people allowed on Columbia since they would have wanted extremely nationalistic people in Columbia.

oh sry I post slow.

"Ahh I don't know, people were pretty racist back then"
that would be pretty bold if 2K hid in some kind of racist easter egg. Honestly if done right it could also be hilarious and hopefully not too offensive at the same time.

[X1 BLACKOUT 1X]

That is true but I think the characters will be less unique because you have to remember that Columbia was supposed to be like a worlds fair showing off Americas ingenuity and wealth. There was probably a mental screening process with the people allowed on Columbia since they would have wanted extremely nationalistic people in Columbia.

Possible spoiler alert!

Could you imagine if somebody that hated America got in Columbia? Rigged a few bombs to the balloons on the buildings and took the whole place down. Not only killing everybody in Columbia, but anything the buildings land on.

[Buck R.]

That is true but I think the characters will be less unique because you have to remember that Columbia was supposed to be like a worlds fair showing off Americas ingenuity and wealth. There was probably a mental screening process with the people allowed on Columbia since they would have wanted extremely nationalistic people in Columbia.

Yeh were probably going too see alot of similar characters in Columbia. This isn't neccessarily bad though, seeeing as the villain will probably use mobs against you which will make the game more action packed. The only thing thats neccessarily bad is my spelling of the word neccessarily.

[Buck R.]

Could you imagine if somebody that hated America got in Columbia? Rigged a few bombs to the balloons on the buildings and took the whole place down. Not only killing everybody in Columbia, but anything the buildings land on.

That HAS to be a sub plot.

[EliteRosie]

Could you imagine if somebody that hated America got in Columbia? Rigged a few bombs to the balloons on the buildings and took the whole place down. Not only killing everybody in Columbia, but anything the buildings land on.

OMG possible spoiler alert, that could possibly be what happened that made Columbia go haywire and disappear.

[Big Bad Sister]

Columbia may be racist, but that doesn't mean that there won't be racial diversity.

[Buck R.]

Columbia may be racist, but that doesn't mean that there won't be racial diversity.

They probably brought immigrants for labor and to spit on. I'll place money that an immigrant will aid you at some point in an attempt to escape with you.

[EliteRosie]

Yeh were probably going too see alot of similar characters in Columbia. This isn't neccessarily bad though, seeeing as the villain will probably use mobs against you which will make the game more action packed. The only thing thats neccessarily bad is my spelling of the word neccessarily.

oh yeah they said there is a part in the gameplay demo where one of the main politician guys actually sends like a mob of 20 people at dewitt and him and Elizabeth have to run away. Its going to be interesting having to fight so many people in a big space compared to rapture where you just "zap em and whack/headshot em"

[Codex]

Well, Columbia was unveiled at the "Worlds Fair," which is a representation of everything that the world has accomplished for that year. It then went rogue, probably taking off with all the people that were inside it. At a "worlds fair" you can guess that there would be people from across the world at it.

What I find interesting is at the press releases the newsies were given travel tags that were from various countries. The Kotaku guy got one from Eastern Europe. Now, what a lot of people forget about this time is that Imperialism and Nationalism were on the rise hugely. The "Us vs Them" mentality that was sweeping the globe would be a part of what eventually kicked off WWI (shortly after BS:I... Huuuurmmm...), and extended even to the land of the free and the home of the brave. Ellis Island, in New York, is famous for turning away "undesirables," who were mostly people from Eastern Europe and Ireland. Canada wasn't much better, nor was England and the Western European countries.

Then there was the East Coast who turned away Indians and Chinese who came over to work or even sanctioned against them holding jobs. It was a bad time for any "foreigners," ie: non-white, non-English speakers.

[X1 BLACKOUT 1X]

OMG possible spoiler alert, that could possibly be what happened that made Columbia go haywire and disappear.

I should probably hide that, just in case it is

[EliteRosie]

Well, Columbia was unveiled at the "Worlds Fair," which is a representation of everything that the world has accomplished for that year. It then went rogue, probably taking off with all the people that were inside it. At a "worlds fair" you can guess that there would be people from across the world at it.

What I find interesting is at the press releases the newsies were given travel tags that were from various countries. The Kotaku guy got one from Eastern Europe. Now, what a lot of people forget about this time is that Imperialism and Nationalism were on the rise hugely. The "Us vs Them" mentality that was sweeping the globe would be a part of what eventually kicked off WWI (shortly after BS:I... Huuuurmmm...), and extended even to the land of the free and the home of the brave. Ellis Island, in New York, is famous for turning away "undesirables," who were mostly people from Eastern Europe and Ireland. Canada wasn't much better, nor was England and the Western European countries.

Then there was the East Coast who turned away Indians and Chinese who came over to work or even sanctioned against them holding jobs. It was a bad time for any "foreigners," ie: non-white, non-English speakers.

I don't think they let them on Columbia I think it just floated by to show people that it could be done by americans. They wouldn't let them on Columbia cause then they could destroy it.

[X1 BLACKOUT 1X]

I don't think they let them on Columbia I think it just floated by to show people that it could be done by americans. They wouldn't let them on Columbia cause then they could destroy it.

Or if they did, there was a very extensive security you had to go through first.

[Blade_Runner]

OMG possible spoiler alert, that could possibly be what happened that made Columbia go haywire and disappear.

i think the reason why Columbia disappeared was to prevent that from happening. paranoia

[EliteRosie]

i think the reason why Columbia disappeared was to prevent that from happening. paranoia

hmm thats possible as well it would make sense but even if it was from paranoia why would Columbia also hide itself from the U.S.

[janissary12]

hmm thats possible as well it would make sense but even if it was from paranoia why would Columbia also hide itself from the U.S.
'Cuz America wasn't pure ENOUGH.

You can never be pure enough for fundamentalists.

[Codex]

I don't think they let them on Columbia I think it just floated by to show people that it could be done by americans. They wouldn't let them on Columbia cause then they could destroy it.

I don't think that's the case. The newsies got "immigration" tags. It's possible that people were living on Columbia and view everyone else, even the land based Americans, as "foreigners."

[FtRapture]

I don't think it would be wise to assume that you will 'love' the game yet - considering that all we have seen is this one measly trailer.


***


It is no more wise than saying I don't like it being bright I shall wait, they are both opinions. I think Ken Levine is a genius and coming out of the box of Rapture will create a diverse universe with many possibilities. This absurd notion that just cause you slap a the name Bioshock on something it has to follow a set of pre approved rules seems a bit narrow minded. Bioshock is so much bigger than Rapture and moody darkness I think the only way for it grow is for it to expand on what it is.

[EliteRosie]

'Cuz America wasn't pure ENOUGH.

You can never be pure enough for fundamentalists.

Very true. At this point my theory with this is that an Andrew Ryan type character must have assumed power over the original Columbia leader and through some means( acceptance, force, etc) applied his own ideals and wanted to separate themselves from the rest of the world.


I don't think that's the case. The newsies got "immigration" tags. It's possible that people were living on Columbia and view everyone else, even the land based Americans, as "foreigners."

also true this could have started events similar to those in rapture a civil war between factions that damaged the city and caused it to disappear and fall under new rule.

[soundwave145]

stupid question time!! just how high to do you think Columbia soars? in the trailer when hes falling tword the ground it looks like a bunch of sqaures

[Grathius22]

stupid question time!! just how high to do you think Columbia soars? in the trailer when hes falling tword the ground it looks like a bunch of sqaures

It looks like that when you're high up.

[Blade_Runner]

stupid question time!! just how high to do you think Columbia soars? in the trailer when hes falling tword the ground it looks like a bunch of sqaures

well clouds usually form beween 6000 ft. and 20,000 ft. sooo...

[Adam James Walker]

This absurd notion that just cause you slap a the name Bioshock on something it has to follow a set of pre approved rules seems a bit narrow minded.

Well it still does follow rules now a bioshock seems to include:

1. A fantastical city which has decended into anarchy
2. Based heavily on a philophical theme or historical period
3. Includes something to do with gene manipulation, eugenics etc.

More of a template for any future games to follow.

[Blade_Runner]

Well it still does follow rules now a bioshock seems to include:

1. A fantastical city which has decended into anarchy
2. Based heavily on a philophical theme or historical period
3. Includes something to do with gene manipulation, eugenics etc.

More of a template for any future games to follow.

yeah...but the story and interactions of the characters is what drives it. and BSI has that in spades

[Grathius22]

Well it still does follow rules now a bioshock seems to include:

1. A fantastical city which has decended into anarchy
2. Based heavily on a philophical theme or historical period
3. Includes something to do with gene manipulation, eugenics etc.

More of a template for any future games to follow.

You're back, I see.

[janissary12]

yeah...but the story and interactions of the characters is what drives it. and BSI has that in spades
I know that's what we HOPE for, but based on what we KNOW, that's all it is, a HOPE.

Really people, you've got next to nothing and you're spinning fantasies.

[Adam James Walker]

yeah...but the story and interactions of the characters is what drives it. and BSI has that in spades

I know but I was thinking of the similasrities the two seem too share, the bare bone's of bioshock's new meaning.


You're back, I see.

Indeed, got a phone call saying have you heard of this new Bioshock game, looked it up and was quite literally speechless for about 5 mintues. Decided to return to the forums to see what people thought of it.

[Codex]

yeah...but the story and interactions of the characters is what drives it. and BSI has [appears to have] that in spades

Fixed it for you. We, technically, know nothing about this game that is coming out in two years. Don't go counting your chickens before they hatch.

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Yep just wait until it comes out or we get more information before we start assuming a lot of things :p

[Ryan's number 1 fan]

Yep just wait until it comes out or we get more information before we start assuming a lot of things :p

Oh god..
2 years?
I don't think these people can wait that long O.O

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Oh god..
2 years?
I don't think these people can wait that long O.O

Well people will have to wait that long for this next game buddy :p.

[Ryan's number 1 fan]

Well people will have to wait that long for this next game buddy :p.

O well

STOP CHANGING YOUR AVATAR!

>.>
Can't you stick with one?
<.<

[Reborn in the Ocean]

O well

STOP CHANGING YOUR AVATAR!

>.>
Can't you stick with one?
<.<

Yes I can lol but I was just trying out a couple to see how stuff was looking to see if I wanted to use one lol :p.

[Ryan's number 1 fan]

Yes I can lol but I was just trying out a couple to see how stuff was looking to see if I wanted to use one lol :p.

Well good sir/madam I will stick with my crappy resolution team Ryan avatar thank you:cool:

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Well good sir/madam I will stick with my crappy resolution team Ryan avatar thank you:cool:

I know you will Ryan's Number 1 Fan lol :p but I am going to switch until I get what I wanted and lets get back on topic.

[Ryan's number 1 fan]

I know you will Ryan's Number 1 Fan lol :p but I am going to switch until I get what I wanted and lets get back on topic.

Uh yeah........

I predict columbia will fall!:eek:

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Alright then good prediction I don't know what will happen :p maybe parts of it will fall who knows.

[Grathius22]

Uh yeah........

I predict columbia will fall!:eek:

I think you may be on to something, there.

I predict 2K and Irrational with have Columbia crash into Rapture, and make everything not canonically make sense.

[Ryan's number 1 fan]

Alright then good prediction I don't know what will happen :p maybe parts of it will fall who knows.

Knowing my luck i'll be on the falling part....

Yes! I live in columbia people!

[EliteRosie]

Uh yeah........

I predict columbia will fall!:eek:

I predict that after several hours of Booker having to run around the hellhole of a city and getting attacked by steampunk big daddies he'll snap and just be like "the h*ll with this". Booker will then escape with Elizabeth and when there far enough away blow up Columbia laughing. Thats probably what I would do if I had to go through the stuff he will XD.

[Ryan's number 1 fan]

I think you may be on to something, there.

I predict 2K and Irrational with have Columbia crash into Rapture, and make everything not canonically make sense.

Lol

I second this!:D

[Phil Isadore]

Well it still does follow rules now a bioshock seems to include:

1. A fantastical city which has decended into anarchy
2. Based heavily on a philophical theme or historical period
3. Includes something to do with gene manipulation, eugenics etc.

More of a template for any future games to follow.

Don't forget #4: Shooting the crap out of the cities denizens :D

[Blade_Runner]

I predict that after several hours of Booker having to run around the hellhole of a city and getting attacked by steampunk big daddies he'll snap and just be like "the h*ll with this". Booker will then escape with Elizabeth and when there far enough away blow up Columbia laughing. Thats probably what I would do if I had to go through the stuff he will XD.

their basically clockwork robots with hearts...lets call them Tin-Men!:D

[RaptureWillBeReborn]

their basically clockwork robots with hearts...lets call them Tin-Men!:D

I call 'em Sky Daddies. :D

[STOP@RED]

I really want to know what the weapons will be in this game.

[Grathius22]

I really want to know what the weapons will be in this game.

A pistol.

A shotgun.

[Blade_Runner]

A pistol.

A shotgun.

will you be able to customize them?

[Grathius22]

will you be able to customize them?

Possibly, I haven't received word from the boss man.

[EliteRosie]

wait didn't they say there was a high powered rifle in the gameplay demo?

[Blade_Runner]

wait didn't they say there was a high powered rifle in the gameplay demo?

i never saw the gameplay demo :(. can you post a link?

[Grathius22]

wait didn't they say there was a high powered rifle in the gameplay demo?

The high powered rifle is a regular weapon, not a upgrade.

[Crezth]

Looks like a bunch of people who said "BioShock = Rapture" are backpedaling now in light of Irrational's new vision. Full speed ahead, I say, let's turn some propellers. :cool:

[Blade_Runner]

Looks like a bunch of people who said "BioShock = Rapture" are backpedaling now in light of Irrational's new vision. Full speed ahead, I say, let's turn some propellers. :cool:

yes! spin the propellors and turn on the burners, lets ascend to the lofty heights of Columbia!:D

[Incinerate]

Looks like a bunch of people who said "BioShock = Rapture" are backpedaling now in light of Irrational's new vision. Full speed ahead, I say, let's turn some propellers. :cool:

You may (or may not) be surprised how much people HATE this idea.

[Grathius22]

Looks like a bunch of people who said "BioShock = Rapture" are backpedaling now in light of Irrational's new vision. Full speed ahead, I say, let's turn some propellers. :cool:

Rapture is Bioshock, I'm interested in this game, too, though.

[Codex]

Looks like a bunch of people who said "BioShock = Rapture" are backpedaling now in light of Irrational's new vision. Full speed ahead, I say, let's turn some propellers. :cool:

I think most of us (and I was guilty of that too) just couldn't comprehend WHERE they could take Bioshock next. I figured another city, the surface - some sort of continuation of Rapture's story, in short - but never this. It will work.

[janissary12]

I don't think these people can wait that long O.O
This reminds me of what you say when you fire somebody:

"I don't know what we'll do without you, but come Monday, we're finding out."

[janissary12]

Looks like a bunch of people who said "BioShock = Rapture" are backpedaling now in light of Irrational's new vision.
::raises hand::

But, now that we've defined what little-b 'bioshock' is, it's a much looser set of clothing. Feels good.

[Blade_Runner]

::raises hand::

But, now that we've defined what little-b 'bioshock' is, it's a much looser set of clothing. Feels good.

yep you and me, we figured that out

[Big Bad Sister]

After Columbia, we're going to Olympia. :D

[Mr.Plum]

I don't know if this has been posted or not but this article gives a little more insight as to why Levine didn't do Bioshock 2.

http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/81437/why-irrational-decided-not-to-work-on-bioshock-2/

(here's the full interview: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-08-12-irrationals-ken-levine-interview)

[Codex]

I don't know if this has been posted or not but this article gives a little more insight as to why Levine didn't do Bioshock 2.

http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/81437/why-irrational-decided-not-to-work-on-bioshock-2/

(here's the full interview: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-08-12-irrationals-ken-levine-interview)

Thankyou for posting that, Mr. Plum. It also proves that some of us were reading in to things too much with our initial freak out over some of his comments about Infinite. Consider me well and truly chastened.

[Buck R.]

I know that's what we HOPE for, but based on what we KNOW, that's all it is, a HOPE.

Really people, you've got next to nothing and you're spinning fantasies.

Why is it that every comment you make is some sort of insult? Be more positive dude.

[ryansfamousword_butNOOOO!]

makes me wonder how does this intie with Bio 1 and 2 *thinks* Oh boy more mysteries!!!!* gotta love bioshock :) hopefully 2k tells them or they play both games alot and does'nt mess with the story but i got good hopes for em

[janissary12]

Why is it that every comment you make is some sort of insult? Be more positive dude.
That's not my role here: I'm the control rods in the reactors of dimwittitude.

(Check your Buddy List feature for the Ignore List (they're right next to each other): life can be much less stressful with the Ignore List working.)

I'd expand on this, but it would just be more negativism. And not every post is negative.

[Codex]

I'd expand on this, but it would just be more negativism. And not every post is negative.

Stop pretending that you have a soft and cuddly side. We know it isn't true.

But, on many levels, Jan's right. There is no way that the game can't change completly in 2 years. It could even be that this whole "Columbia" thing is a ruse and really we're back in Rapture by the time 2012 rolls around. It could happen - not saying it will, but it could - and as such all speculation should be treated as speculation until confirmed by Irrational.

[Big Bad Sister]

Yes, janissary12 has a soft and cuddly side. We just don't see it because he refuses to show it to us. ;)
I don't know if this has been posted or not but this article gives a little more insight as to why Levine didn't do Bioshock 2.

http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/81437/why-irrational-decided-not-to-work-on-bioshock-2/

(here's the full interview: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-08-12-irrationals-ken-levine-interview)Excellent find! I am quite sick of all of the smearing of Ken Levine and Irrational Games!

[Epstein_The_Swami]

That's not my role here: I'm the control rods in the reactors of dimwittitude.

(Check your Buddy List feature for the Ignore List (they're right next to each other): life can be much less stressful with the Ignore List working.)

I'd expand on this, but it would just be more negativism. And not every post is negative.

That's all I've ever known you as since my first sign in to the 2K forums. Please, never change.

[Blue Lightning]

makes me wonder how does this intie with Bio 1 and 2 *

It doesnt. Ken Levine himself says that Infinite has nothing to do whatsoever with Bioshock 1 & 2, other than it is an FPS, and that it is an isolated city in the past that is based on some kind of political philosophy (in this case just good ol American democracy...or should I say "constitutional republic"). Ken points out that America in 1912 was a prosperous democracy (as if it isnt now, which it isnt really thanks to goverment). Having it set in 1912 is right after both the aeroplane and the radio was invented. Hmmm. Also it is the year that the Titanic went down.

Interesting. I'm glad we he is changing the venue for the next Bioshock.

[Big Bad Sister]

Ken Levine stated in that interview that there may be a romantic relationship between DeWitt and Elizabeth. Huh? Would that be weird for us, the players? :confused:

[Codex]

Ken Levine stated in that interview that there may be a romantic relationship between DeWitt and Elizabeth. Huh? Would that be weird for us, the players? :confused:

He also said that there might not be. What he said was a "emotional connection." That doesn't mean "romantic relationship." Delta and Eleanor had a "emotional connection," not a "romantic relationship."

[Big Bad Sister]

He also said that there might not be. What he said was a "emotional connection." That doesn't mean "romantic relationship." Delta and Eleanor had a "emotional connection," not a "romantic relationship."
Eurogamer: Is there a romantic element to the relationship?

Ken Levine: There might be. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-08-12-irrationals-ken-levine-interview?page=2

[Codex]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-08-12-irrationals-ken-levine-interview?page=2

Yes, I did read the article. "There might be" does not equal "there is." Also, isn't it in the very same interview where he says there is a "connection?"

In fact it's in the rest of the quote you so cunningly cut:


Ken Levine: There might be. You definitely sense a connection between the two characters, even in the demo, they care about each other. We'll see where that goes.

[Big Bad Sister]

Yes, I did read the article. "There might be" does not equal "there is." Also, isn't it in the very same interview where he says there is a "connection?"... and that is why I said that there may be a romantic relationship there. My question is this: if that does turn out to be the case, would the game feel weird from the player's perspective?
In fact it's in the rest of the quote you so cunningly cut:I didn't "cunningly cut" anything. I only quoted the first sentence because my mouse couldn't copy the rest of the quote, so please don't accuse me of anything. :rolleyes:

[Codex]

... and that is why I said that there may be a romantic relationship there. My question is this: if that does turn out to be the case, would the game feel weird from the player's perspective?I didn't "cunningly cut" anything. I only quoted the first sentence because my mouse couldn't copy the rest of the quote, so please don't accuse me of anything. :rolleyes:

I'm not accusing of anything, I'm saying it's very easy to twist quotes to say what you want when you cut bits of them out. But oh well.

I don't see why it would make you feel uncomfortable. In most war games you're given names and backgrounds, in Halo you're Master Chief who has the hots for his AI... Things like that. I don't see why it would if this fictional "love interest" thing gets off the ground. The way he's talking about it though makes it seem like it's a no go on those grounds.

[Epstein_The_Swami]

Ken Levine stated in that interview that there may be a romantic relationship between DeWitt and Elizabeth. Huh? Would that be weird for us, the players? :confused:

Ever play Half Life 2 and its episodes? Uh, Alyx and Gordon? It would be a total understatement to say that there's a bit of romantic tension between the two. That didn't feel that weird to me at all while I was playing through the game.

Granted, we know the Booker will speak, and in Half Life Gordon does not speak. Even with that in mind, think about it. A romantic relationship can be done with just banter between the two in question and nothing more than that. While you're in control of the player, I mean.

How exactly do you feel it'd be weird? Can you be more specific? Is it because it'd be in first person perspective?

*Not trying to be hostile or anything, I really want to know*

[Mr.Plum]

Eurogamer: What did you think of BioShock 2?

Ken Levine: I think it's a very talented team, and I think it fulfilled the mission of completing the story of Rapture.

Is that confirmation that there will be no more Bioshocks set in Rapture?

[IllusionOfLife]

Is that confirmation that there will be no more Bioshocks set in Rapture?

No, Ken also said the original game was the end of the story, however, as long as 2K choses to make the games, then there will be games. Besides, many fans are calling for one last entry to finish off the story, and I imagine that because of that demand it'll eventually happen.

[Big Bad Sister]

Ever play Half Life 2 and its episodes? Uh, Alyx and Gordon? It would be a total understatement to say that there's a bit of romantic tension between the two. That didn't feel that weird to me at all while I was playing through the game.Perhaps, but the tension seems pretty one-sided (on Alyx's side, not Gordon's), because Gordon has no personality.
Granted, we know the Booker will speak, and in Half Life Gordon does not speak. Even with that in mind, think about it. A romantic relationship can be done with just banter between the two in question and nothing more than that.So Booker DeWitt (nice name, lol; it's very soap operatic :p) will have more of a personality than Jack Ryan/Wynand/Jolene/whatever? He'll be the man that Jack should've been in BS1?
How exactly do you feel it'd be weird? Can you be more specific? Is it because it'd be in first person perspective?The problem for me is character personality. I don't like to feel that I (as opposed to my character) am supposed to have feelings for another character. A relationship between my character and another character, on the other hand, is fine (so long as it advances the story and does not distract from it).

*Not trying to be hostile or anything, I really want to know*I don't think that you're being hostile at all. You're probably the least hostile poster that I know. ;)

[Codex]

Oh yes, I forgot that you aren't a fan of the tabula rasa FPS character Big Bad Sister. Ergh, I don't get how Booker having a personality (in comparison to Jack or Delta) won't be more awkward in a "romantic" situation. In FPS' you're supposed to be the character. Giving them more than a name makes the player step back. It loses the depth of immersion and makes it less meaningful, IMO.

[Camaleos]

I did read about five or so pages in this thread, which means I have no idea what the discussion has gone into by now. One way or another, I'll just leave this here.

I can see many people complaining about the title in Bioshock: Infinite.
My thoughts:

I understand the feeling. But I'd say the problem is much more related to the title of the first game (Bioshock) than to Bioshock:Infinite's title.

How so?

It looks unfitting having Bioshock, Bioshock 2 and Bioshock: Infinite being the first two's setting Rapture, and the last's Columbia. What am I suggesting?
I am suggesting that it would look more like a solid chain if the titles were something like:

Bioshock: Enclosure, Bioshock: Enclosure 2 and Bioshock: Infinite, thus giving space to a possible Bioshock: Infinite 2. The secondary titles would define these games as different episodes sharing the same, greater idea. The reason why it is not like this is obvious. I can pretty much imply the whole idea of Columbia didn't exist by the time Bioshock came out.

Anyway... since Bioshock is already called Bioshock, and having the two previous games System Shock and System Shock 2, I too agree it would feel much more fittable if Bioshock: Infinite had a different name, while mantaining the 'shock' suffix and altering the 'Bio' prefix.

The Perfect World:

Irrational Games and 2k Marine should work on a new game called Bioshock: Enclosure, or Bioshock: Claustrophobia, or whichever title works better.

In this new game, you would choose between two campaigns: 1960 or 1970; and the Multiplayer game.

1960's campaign would be the same from the first Bioshock, with some improved mechanics like dual-wielding (something similar to Bioshock 2's Multiplayer), improved plasmids upgrading (like in Bioshock 2, where they get real changes as they advance in level), gun butting, reduced health/eve hypo storage with capacity increasing tonics, etc.
They could also add, let's say, one or two new levels, one or two new enemies, a new weapon and some Alpha Series enemies (to create a better linking with Bioshock 2's new plot).

1970's campaign would be Bioshock 2's campaign with some new features as well, a new level and maybe a better linking with Bioshock 1.

Also, this new game would be optimized for Windows 7 - since the first game had some compatibility issues with that OS -, and would have a new difficulty level called Survivor, like the one in PS3's Bioshock.

That's it. They'd have succesfully bonded the first two games under a same title that allows for the "Bioshock: Title" formula.

I know, it is not happening. It wouldn't be profitable, probably... but, again, I really think it WOULD be nice. They did something similar (though not as ambitious) with Chronicles of Riddick - Assault on Dark Athena. A measure like this would probably stop all the whining around the title of "Bioshock 3"... including MY whining.

I'm ready for dream time now.

[Big Bad Sister]

Oh yes, I forgot that you aren't a fan of the tabula rasa FPS character Big Bad Sister. Ergh, I don't get how Booker having a personality (in comparison to Jack or Delta) won't be more awkward in a "romantic" situation. In FPS' you're supposed to be the character. Giving them more than a name makes the player step back. It loses the depth of immersion and makes it less meaningful, IMO.I will say this much: if your character is meant to be tabula rasa, leave him (or her -_-') that way. Don't give him (or her -_-') a half-baked personality.

For example, in BioShock 2, whether or not Delta loves Eleanor is up to the player to decide. Eleanor herself even shoves the decision in the player's face ("But love is just a chemical. We give it meaning by choice."). Delta himself doesn't have a personality at all; he really is tabula rasa.

I've always believed that Jack was meant to have a personality, because he speaks only once in BioShock, at the very beginning. But I'll likely never know the truth.