Bioshock Infinite Discussion (Spoilers?)

[RC1905]

yeah also at the very end when the logo pops up someone starts to talk on what sounds like a radio but then it gets interrupted by the ending music. I tried to hear what is says but its so quick I can't understand it. Maybe is someone could slow it down somehow?

Im pretty sure I heard "Columbia"

[RaptureRaven]

Learn some history.

No thank you. I'm quite happy thinking what I think. How about you don't talk to me like I'm 12?

[I Would Kindly]

Something about Columbia.

[Zest]

Now, honestly, I think I'll love this game to death. It still (and I'd hate to beat a dead horse) seems like they should have picked a new "Shock" name.


THINGS I'D CHANGE ABOUT BSI BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR:

-Change the name

-Give Elizabeth (the character in the game) a breast reduction. God, how sterotypical and nerdy does it get?

That's all for now...


^THIS.

GOD.

It's nothing against the game, no, the game looks GREAT. I've been dying for another game that's LIKE Bioshock.

and that's what this is. It's LIKE Bioshock, BUT IT'S NOT.
So DON'T call it that.

Also, I mean SERIOUSLY- must EVERY GOD FORSAKEN GAME HAVE A PORNSTAR AS THE MAIN FEMALE CHARACTER?!

Jesus. I hope there's a choice to leave the *** behind instead of rescue, because if so I'll do that cheerfully.
Actually, if you can kill her yourself, EVEN BETTER.

[Big Bad Sister]

If this is a re-imagining of BioShock, why should they not use "BioShock" as a name? Silent Hill: Shattered Memories did just that with the Silent Hill franchise. Why can't BioShock Infinite do the same?

[janissary12]

I asked Liz if they were going to keep making BioShock games set in Rapture, but she didn't know the answer. She didn't seem too blindsided by it, though, but there's only so much you can tell just from text.
that's cuz 2k, in their wisdom, anticipates every stupid question that can come their way.

[Fialvert]

Alright, so I hear about this. Now, my first thoughts were: "Meh. That's interesting. Nice to have a change of pace." Now, I'm sick of hearing this is a prequel. Just because it takes place before the first Bioshock does not make it a prequel. It has to add more backstory, supplement the earlier games. Alright people? Good.

Now, I'm personally, fine with it. I'm not a insane fanboy arguing against or for it. I care if it's fun or not. Remember? Playing games is supposed to be fun. I'm not too much into this ideals stuff, whatever. Not my thing. Also, about Elizabeth. The reason she looks like a "pornstar" as Zest put it, is because of one simple reason: Most Gamers Are Male. Many writers are of the assumption that only males play video games. Now, although I'm a male, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[Steinmans_Apprentice]

I probably won't have an opinion on this until I've actually played it and experienced the storyline.

Hopefully "Infinite" will capture some of the magic the original Bioshock had... but that's a pretty tall order ;)

[Grathius22]

If this is a re-imagining of BioShock, why should they not use "BioShock" as a name? Silent Hill: Shattered Memories did just that with the Silent Hill franchise. Why can't BioShock Infinite do the same?

Silent Hill was in Silent Hill...

Rapture was Bioshock.

[Big Bad Sister]

Silent Hill was in Silent Hill...

Rapture was Bioshock.You all (well, those of you who were here during SitS, anyway) seemed to accept SitS as a part of the BioShock lore, and none of that was set in Rapture.

[I Would Kindly]

Anyone know what "Adlies" is? It's on a huge banner in the gallery.

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Alright, so I hear about this. Now, my first thoughts were: "Meh. That's interesting. Nice to have a change of pace." Now, I'm sick of hearing this is a prequel. Just because it takes place before the first Bioshock does not make it a prequel. It has to add more backstory, supplement the earlier games. Alright people? Good.

Now, I'm personally, fine with it. I'm not a insane fanboy arguing against or for it. I care if it's fun or not. Remember? Playing games is supposed to be fun. I'm not too much into this ideals stuff, whatever. Not my thing. Also, about Elizabeth. The reason she looks like a "pornstar" as Zest put it, is because of one simple reason: Most Gamers Are Male. Many writers are of the assumption that only males play video games. Now, although I'm a male, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Well Fial I think that some people make the main female lead look like a "pornstar" just because like you said the majority of gamers are male, but it can also be offsetting because sure its fun to save the girl or w/e but saving a girl with a chest that just goes all over the place makes me want to kill her because there is no point to her other than her looks like all you know is that you have to save her and that there is no back story on her, so hopefully they make her not look like a "pornstar" and they give her a good back story, though this game can be a prequel just depends on how they do it and if they can make the story work though I doubt it though.

[ProjectDelta]

There are probably something similar to Little Sisters in Columbia :p there has got to be and I thought I heard that to, heard whispers just didn't know what exactly. That does look like Ryan or maybe someone similar to Cohen?

Again, I reference the IGN article. http://pc.ign.com/articles/111/1111864p2.html

I believe the man to be Stall.

"Wooden barrels filled with guns line the gazebo that a politician named stall is stumping from. As DeWitt approaches Stall, the man's eyes flare red, the air around him vibrates and he calls upon the citizens of Columbia to attack."

[Invader]

Also, about Elizabeth. The reason she looks like a "pornstar" as Zest put it, is because of one simple reason: Most Gamers Are Male. Many writers are of the assumption that only males play video games. Now, although I'm a male, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.


This exactly. ^


The people who made BioShock 2 were smarter than that. They even state in the Deco Devolution artbook that they avoided this (and many similar things) at all costs. See: Page 54 of the Deco Devolution artbook. ;)


Well Fial I think that some people make the main female lead look like a "pornstar" just because like you said the majority of gamers are male, but it can also be offsetting because sure its fun to save the girl or w/e but saving a girl with a chest that just goes all over the place makes me want to kill her because there is no point to her other than her looks like all you know is that you have to save her and that there is no back story on her, so hopefully they make her not look like a "pornstar" and they give her a good back story, though this game can be a prequel just depends on how they do it and if they can make the story work though I doubt it though.

This exactly also. ^ :)

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Alright then Project Delta though I still think they could be something similar to Little Sisters in the game if it takes the Bioshock title it better have something like them... we have seen the Big Daddy and who you play as and the person you are trying to save.

EDIT: Yes FtRapture that is what they did say in the art book and I think having the characters they way they had them in the second Bioshock was just was good as the first one they don't need someone who looks like a "pornstar" to get peoples attention I think that can honestly take away from gameplay.

[janissary12]

There's too much left out.
You guys DO understand the concept of "teaser", right?


I will be good. The makers of the original Bioshock are making it. :D I have faith. Don't shoot down my hopes. >.>
Your faith is WEAK if it's threatened by bloviators with no information. Really, it's like watching "Faux 'News'", in text.

[Nyokou]

What's wrong with a good-looking female character? There weren't any of those in Bioshock 1. And in Bioshock 2 Eleanor Lamb was flat-chested but cute. It's about time that the Bioshock franchise got a beautiful female protagonist in the game.

:rolleyes:

[I Would Kindly]

You guys DO understand the concept of "teaser", right?

Yeah. It tells you everything about the game so you can judge it without playing right?

[RC1905]

You guys DO understand the concept of "teaser", right?

Is it to tease?

[Adam Addict L]

You all (well, those of you who were here during SitS, anyway) seemed to accept SitS as a part of the BioShock lore, and none of that was set in Rapture.

that is true...but...in SitS was working us toward Rapture,and even one of the main characters(Lutwidge) of SitS had been Rapture and back,if you recall

[Invader]

Alright then Project Delta though I still think they could be something similar to Little Sisters in the game if it takes the Bioshock title it better have something like them... we have seen the Big Daddy and who you play as and the person you are trying to save.

EDIT: Yes FtRapture that is what they did say in the art book and I think having the characters they way they had them in the second Bioshock was just was good as the first one they don't need someone who looks like a "pornstar" to get peoples attention I think that can honestly take away from gameplay.


Lawl, I'm not FtRapture. I'm just on Team Coco! :D

[Big Bad Sister]

You guys are assuming that the Elizabeth that you see in this trailer is the one that will appear in the game. That's not necessarily the case: remember the "Jack" that we saw in the launch trailer for the first BioShock? This trailer is marketing and nothing more. Elizabeth only has big breasts in the trailer in order to grab the young male audience's attention and convince them to buy the game.

[Invader]

You guys are assuming that the Elizabeth that you see in this trailer is the one that will appear in the game. That's not necessarily the case: remember the "Jack" that we saw in the launch trailer for the first BioShock? This trailer is marketing and nothing more. Elizabeth only has big breasts in the trailer in order to grab the young male audience's attention and convince them to buy the game.


Probably. And I hope so. Christ, I'm a young male, but I'm not going to drool over a game (or a woman) just because "Oooh, she has big boobs!" T_T

EDIT: Anyone notice that this game occurs DURING the times of Red Dead Redemption? Well, the times of a CUTSCENE in RDR- the cutscene where *WARNING! RDR SPOILERS!* John Marston's funeral is held, and time lapses to Abagail Marston's funeral.

[BioCutie]

Does anyone have any info on where to send my reel for an audition in BioShock Infinite??

[Nyokou]

You guys DO understand the concept of "teaser", right?

Uh, yeah, I get that perfectly well. I don't understand why you had to quote me when I was simply reinforcing the fact that there's not enough information yet to really know what the story is going to be about and that everyone criticizing the game thus far have absolutely no logical arguments, they're only based on emotions. There seems to be a lot of logical fallacies on these forums.

[domino29]

Probably. And I hope so. Christ, I'm a young male, but I'm not going to drool over a game (or a woman) just because "Oooh, she has big boobs!" T_T

Since when does breast size matter? I didn't even know Eleanor was flat chested :confused:

As long as the story is good, I will not look at her breasts.

[Judgeofwings]

Anyone know what "Adlies" is? It's on a huge banner in the gallery.

I Believe it says "Adlets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adlet)".In Inuit Mythology The Adlets was some kind of Superior race,or a race of "Beautiful Creatures". I could be wrong though,the fifth letter is blocked by the flag so i could be wrong,but the word "Adleis" Doesn't bring up anything,i doubt its latin.

[Invader]

Since when does breast size matter? I didn't even know Eleanor was flat chested :confused:

As long as the story is good, I will not look at her breasts.


You know your story sucks if you need to give the (seemingly) only major female character enormous breasts to keep the audience's eyes on the screen. Hopefully that other guy was right, and it's just for the marketing campaign (which is just wrong, if you ask me).

[I Would Kindly]

I Believe it says "Adlets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adlet)".In Inuit Mythology The Adlets was some kind of Superior race,or a race of "Beautiful Creatures". I could be wrong though,the fifth letter is blocked by the flag so i could be wrong,but the word "Adleis" Doesn't bring up anything,i doubt its latin.

You're right. Adlets makes more sense. :)

[Nyokou]

Breast size DOESN'T matter but apparently a lot of people here are making it a big ****ing deal. I personally find it offensive that just because a girl has large breasts in a game that she must be a slut or a "pornstar" or a *****. Please. You're either jealous, sexist, or just plain stupid if you define a woman in a game or even in real life by her breast size.

[Invader]

Breast size DOESN'T matter but apparently a lot of people here are making it a big ****ing deal. I personally find it offensive that just because a girl has large breasts in a game that she must be a slut or a "pornstar" or a *****. Please. You're either jealous, sexist, or just plain stupid if you define a woman in a game or even in real life by her breast size.

Well, most people DO see it like that- and I agree, it IS offensive to women, and it makes me sick when others do womanize people based on that- but the fact that they're taking advantage of those... creatures in BioShock just... annoys the hell out of me- it makes the devs look like those people!

(Again, hopefully it's just for the ad campaign)


(Note I never called her a *****, slut, or pornstar. I just agreed with the complaints. :))

[Big Bad Sister]

It's not breast size that irritates me so much as it is the notion that a woman in a video game must have a perfect hourglass figure to be a major character.

Will you ever find a *GASP!* "fat" woman in a video game with large breasts (and there are many of those in real life) whose function is NOT merely comic relief?

[janissary12]

As to the sunniness (of the TEASER, I might point out), I consider it to be an excercise like "Children of the Corn" (the book, not the movie)-- can you tell a 'scarey story' in a sun-drenched environment?

Let's face it: horror at night or in the dark is EASY.

[I Would Kindly]

Breast size DOESN'T matter but apparently a lot of people here are making it a big ****ing deal. I personally find it offensive that just because a girl has large breasts in a game that she must be a slut or a "pornstar" or a *****. Please. You're either jealous, sexist, or just plain stupid if you define a woman in a game or even in real life by her breast size.

Thank you. When I first watched the trailer I didn't even notice. Now everyone's making a big deal out of it. I guess everyone would be happier if she had a beard and unibrow.

[Invader]

It's not breast size that irritates me so much as it is the notion that a woman in a video game must have a perfect hourglass figure to be a major character.

Will you ever find a *GASP!* "fat" woman in a video game with large breasts (and there are many of those in real life) whose function is NOT merely comic relief?

Nope. Skinny, perfect women sell... and it is just wrong. It is.. well, it's a reflection on the faults of American culture. Maybe Ken'll do something with that.


As to the sunniness (of the TEASER, I might point out), I consider it to be an excercise like "Children of the Corn" (the book, not the movie)-- can you tell a 'scarey story' in a sun-drenched environment?

Let's face it: horror at night or in the dark is EASY.


I agree with this. :) I think that the bright, cheery, patriotic environment will magnify how horrifying the people are a thousand fold.

[janissary12]

No thank you. I'm quite happy thinking what I think. How about you don't talk to me like I'm 12?
When your grasp of history exceeds that of a sixth grader.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia,_the_Gem_of_the_Ocean


"Happy thinking what I think" ??? The creed of the ignorant.

[Judgeofwings]

I Believe it says "Adlets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adlet)".In Inuit Mythology The Adlets was some kind of Superior race,or a race of "Beautiful Creatures". I could be wrong though,the fifth letter is blocked by the flag so i could be wrong,but the word "Adleis" Doesn't bring up anything,i doubt its latin.


You're right. Adlets makes more sense. :)

To add to this,im trying different letters for the one that is blocked out and another Possibility i found is the word "Adleys",Adleys is just a name,but every name has a meaning and the meaning of Adleys is "Judicious".If this is the case then that statue might symbolize the city's Judicial Prowess,its possible that there is the Courthouse and that monument is there to Boast its Grandeur and Power.

edit: Oh and guys,lets try and stay away from sexist arguments.

[Invader]

When your grasp of history exceeds that of a sixth grader.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia,_the_Gem_of_the_Ocean


"Happy thinking what I think" ??? The creed of the ignorant.



Wow- I didn't learn that in the sixth grade (:(), but Columbia (the city) makes MUCH more sense now! :D


Also, we weren't arguing, but okay, we'll drop that topic for now.

[Big Bad Sister]

Nope. Skinny, perfect women sell... and it is just wrong. It is.. well, it's a reflection on the faults of American culture. Maybe Ken'll do something with that.You know that it's a sad culture that we live in when "beauty" has largely replaced chastity as a virtue for women. :rolleyes:

[RC1905]

Wow- I didn't learn that in the sixth grade (:(), but Columbia (the city) makes MUCH more sense now! :D


Also, we weren't arguing, but okay, we'll drop that topic for now.

Same with me

[Nyokou]

It's not breast size that irritates me so much as it is the notion that a woman in a video game must have a perfect hourglass figure to be a major character.

Will you ever find a *GASP!* "fat" woman in a video game with large breasts (and there are many of those in real life) whose function is NOT merely comic relief?

The problem with your logic is that it's in 1912 not 2010. Women in general were much thinner back then so it's completely appropriate for Elizabeth to look that way. And sure, I must agree the dress is pretty revealing, I'd prefer something less showy.

As for "fat" female protagonist, it just won't happen unless the female gamer population increases. Guys will always be fond of perfect looking women because they're animals. Not ALL guys, just most guys. Sure, it's disappointing since I'm an overweight chick myself but I'm not complaining. I really don't care but I'd rather see a character, male or female, who is physically fit or average looking.

Video games are supposed to take you away from reality, not shove it in your face. Especially a game like Bioshock.

[Invader]

Hey, I'm thinking I'll watch that trailer again.


Also, anyone see the problem with a city suspended by blimps in 1912? I mean, balloon travel wasn't "perfected" until about twenty years after that! I know, I know, it's just a video game, but it seems like they'd make it make more sense.


Also, I'm starting to (obviously) accept it (the move from Rapture) much more now.


EDIT: Also, Rockstar games have their own special way of rubbing reality in your face. I like their games for that.

[janissary12]

Wikipedia:

"Columbia" was a common poetic nickname for the United States of America during the 19th century. Graphically, in illustrations and cartoons, the United States was represented often by a heroic female figure named Columbia, dressed in flag-like bunting.

Also, anyone see the problem with a city suspended by blimps in 1912? I mean, balloon travel wasn't "perfected" until about twenty years after that! I know, I know, it's just a video game, but it seems like they'd make it make more sense.
I think a "blimp-geek" would say this aren't blimps or dirigibles, because they are hot-air balloons. Technical differences, but big differences.

Video games are supposed to take you away from reality, not shove it in your face. Especially a game like Bioshock.
This is why I don't watch perfectly good movies like "Hotel Rwanda"-- reality is what I'm escaping.

[Codex]

You know that it's a sad culture that we live in when "beauty" has largely replaced chastity as a virtue for women. :rolleyes:

Wow, so chastity for women is a good thing? I think I take offense that men are allowed to do as they will but if a woman falls for a rake and a scoundrel then they're the sinner.

Break out your torches and pitchforks! Lets burn the witch!

Seriously, I didn't notice the woman's boob size, and as a woman of a considerable boob size myself it WASN'T THE FIRST THING I WAS LOOKING FOR. I was too busy feeling the emotion as she pulls the guy in and then gets yanked away and he falls to his death. It's a pity that people are sexualizing a pixellated image, IMO. The only difference between this bullcrap and the Eleanor perversion that was going on is Elizabeth isn't your daughter (as far as we know thus far).

[Invader]

I think a "blimp-geek" would say this aren't blimps or dirigibles, because they are hot-air balloons. Technical differences, but big differences.


Oh, right. DERP A HURR. :p (No hostility intended)

[BioCutie]

I agree. But I guess it's different to us straight girls, we just see them for what they are: mounds of fat on our chest, big or tiny, and sometimes they can be annoying. Most people who notice them in a positive and/or arousing way is because they don't actual have to deal with trying on bras, shirts fitting weird, guys looking down instead of up at our faces, etc. Not that I hate boobs, I love my boobs...but no more than any other part. They're just body parts...and isn't Eleanor supposed to be flat chested anyway because she's only a young girl? I don't think she's even of age to have tig 'ol biddies yet...is that inappropriate to post here? Is this even what you were talking about?? Nyokou, I'll holla at ya later, you kick butt. :o

*I just realized I was responding to 2 posts. I forgot the name of the other poster, said something about Eleanor's boobies. But yeah, in 1912 didn't people wear corsets anyway? So you can't tell if they're chunky or not sometimes. I don't know, I need to get off the internet cuz I feel like a nerd. I think I'll play video games on the PS3 instead. lol*

[zachmonky]

I may have peed myself. Just a little.

[Judgeofwings]

Notice Elizabeth is wearing a Corset? Corsets squeeze the waist and make Breast more pronounced.This gives the illusion of a larger chest.;)

[BioChocked]

You know that it's a sad culture that we live in when "beauty" has largely replaced chastity as a virtue for women. :rolleyes:

What would you expect from a first generation, Me and Mine's; When the age of chivalry and abstinence was replaced by MTV, McDonald's and Ipod.

[Big Bad Sister]

The problem with your logic is that it's in 1912 not 2010. Women in general were much thinner back then so it's completely appropriate for Elizabeth to look that way.I'm not demanding for Elizabeth to be "fat" (although her being "fat" would make a lot of sense if she's a rich woman, since the beauty ideal in 1912 was not as skinny as today's ideal). In the trailer, her breasts were obviously shown off in order to draw attention to them, but that was done for marketing purposes and nothing more. Even if her breasts are that big in the game, I doubt that Irrational would show them off just to please "the guys" in the audience. :rolleyes:

[Invader]

By the way, that sign it definately Adleys. Look, you can see most of the flag-blocked letter- it looks like the underside of a "T", which is exactly like that of a "Y", and I doubt it says "Adlets".


Also, would you kindly all drop the boob-talk? Just for a minute?

[Codex]

Notice Elizabeth is wearing a Corset? Corsets squeeze the waist and make Breast more pronounced.This gives the illusion of a larger chest.;)

Totally. She looked like she was in nightwear as well, which would also be far more revealing. If she's being held captive in a Victorian society, her stepping out of her room in that would not only be noticed, but she'd be caught damned quick. Victorian fashion sense was not kind to people wearing less than 12 layers of corsets, wiring, bustles, trains, fur muffs, etc.

[Epstein_The_Swami]

As to the sunniness (of the TEASER, I might point out), I consider it to be an excercise like "Children of the Corn" (the book, not the movie)-- can you tell a 'scarey story' in a sun-drenched environment?

Let's face it: horror at night or in the dark is EASY.

I'm interested to see the tricks they'll be using to make that happen - if anyone can do it properly and make it refreshing, it's this team. :)

Going back to the whole "Bioshock" scenario going on in the city - I read that there's anarchists and the like. Can we expect them to be like splicers? Or are they just normal people making trouble?

[Nyokou]

I agree. But I guess it's different to us straight girls, we just see them for what they are: mounds of fat on our chest, big or tiny, and sometimes they can be annoying. Most people who notice them in a positive and/or arousing way and they don't actual have to deal with trying on bras, shirts fitting weird, guys looking down instead of up at our faces, etc. Not that I hate boobs, I love my boobs...but no more than any other part. They're just body parts...and isn't Eleanor supposed to be flat chested anyway because she's only a young girl? I don't think she's even of age to have tig 'ol biddies yet...is that inappropriate to post here? Is this even what you were talking about?? Nyokou, I'll holla at ya later, you kick butt. :o

Nah, Eleanor was 18, but that doesn't mean anything. Women come in all shapes and sizes. It's just annoying that others are criticizing the new female protagonist because she's a "stereotypical" female lead. Sure, but then again, I know a lot of chicks that look like Elizabeth so I don't know why people are hating.

:rolleyes:

[Judgeofwings]

By the way, that sign it definately Adleys. Look, you can see most of the flag-blocked letter- it looks like the underside of a "T", which is exactly like that of a "Y", and I doubt it says "Adlets".


Also, would you kindly all drop the boob-talk? Just for a minute?

Yeah thats what i thought too,so that Giant statue probably represents their law system like a said a few pages back.:p

[z00t]

What if the game is called 'Bioshock Infinite' because it plays on the theory that there exists infinite parallel universes? Maybe in this universe, Rapture will never exist?

It'd be potentially funky if both universes were canon :p. The splicers from Rapture come to the surface, ready to conquer everything....only to find that the surface-dwellers also have super powers. :p

[Codex]

I'm interested to see the tricks they'll be using to make that happen - if anyone can do it properly and make it refreshing, it's this team. :)

Going back to the whole "Bioshock" scenario going on in the city - I read that there's anarchists and the like. Can we expect them to be like splicers? Or are they just normal people making trouble?

Well, it sounds to me like they're playing on the fascism tact. For all we know the anarchists are the people who are now no longer wanted under a fascist regime.

[Judgeofwings]

What if the game is called 'Bioshock Infinite' because it plays on the theory that there exists infinite parallel universes? Maybe in this universe, Rapture will never exist?

It'd be potentially funky if both universes were canon :p. The splicers from Rapture come to the surface, ready to conquer everything....only to find that the surface-dwellers also have super powers. :p

I think you might be on to something there.I read or saw(can't remember) an interview on Joystiq and i believe Ken said that this Bioshock is NOT set in the Universe of Rapture,it is a totally new and different universe so there will be absolutely no canonical ties between Rapture and Columbia.Infinite could be a clue that he plans to make more Bioshocks in different settings?

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Well maybe Judge he wants to take Bioshock a different direction and honestly I think he will try with all of his might to do that... though I hope most people stay true to the orgional Bioshock with Rapture and not Columbia :p, though this game series could work out quite well maybe...

[Nyokou]

Different people in various universes discovering Adam, perhaps? Like in Bioshock 1, it was in a bottom-dwelling sea slug. In Bioshock: Infinite it could be a completely different animal or unknown source. I was thinking a crow because there was a constant mention of crows but who knows?

[Invader]

I think you might be on to something there.I read or saw(can't remember) an interview on Joystiq and i believe Ken said that this Bioshock is NOT set in the Universe of Rapture,it is a totally new and different universe so there will be absolutely no canonical ties between Rapture and Columbia.Infinite could be a clue that he plans to make more Bioshocks in different settings?

I would certainly prefer them to be different universes. Also, the IMMENSE development time probably hints that they're going to develop the WHOLE city, and answer ALL questions in the narrative- to avoid any repetitions of these cities- after all, he was unhappy with there being more than one game set in Rapture, so he'll probably make double sure that never happens again.


EDIT: Just noticed, the word "Infinite" in this thread's title is misspelled!

[Big Bad Sister]

Wow, so chastity for women is a good thing? I think I take offense that men are allowed to do as they will but if a woman falls for a rake and a scoundrel then they're the sinner.Well, chastity is certainly a legitimate choice for women (as well as men, for that matter) to make. Fifty years ago, it was considered the norm, and sensibly so, so there was no other reliable birth control method.

The issue that I was gnawing at isn't chastity; it's the idea that women have to have perfect bodies, like the ones that you see in fashion magazines, to be considered "sexy" and "womanly." "Traditional" (or post-WWII) definitions of feminity have disappeared, and that is why we now have this obsession with female beauty in our society. Beauty is seen as the definition of feminity, because, apparently, there's nothing more to womanhood than beauty.

OK, I will now stop ranting about sexism and beauty, and get back on topic. :rolleyes:

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

I think you might be on to something there.I read or saw(can't remember) an interview on Joystiq and i believe Ken said that this Bioshock is NOT set in the Universe of Rapture,it is a totally new and different universe so there will be absolutely no canonical ties between Rapture and Columbia.Infinite could be a clue that he plans to make more Bioshocks in different settings?

In an interview Ken did for some playstation site (will find the link) he kind of avoided a direct answer, saying he hopes that this game will have people questionning whether or not it's in the same universe as BioShock.

EDIT: http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/08/12/irrational-games-next-project-coming-to-ps3-first-video-and-ken-levine-qa/

[Invader]

God, now I can't wait 'till 2012! D: AND WUT EF TEH APOCOLYPZ HAPPNZ B4 EYE CAN FINNISH TEH GAIM!? (Naw, I don't beleive that stuff :rolleyes:)

[janissary12]

Oh, right. DERP A HURR. :p (No hostility intended)
Me neither. :D Of course, the diff is hydrogen/helium/whatever, versus having a virtually INFINITE source of hot air (maybe they're tapped into this forum, eh?).

A dirigible can just float around 'forever', but a hot air balloon needs to be 'topped up' constantly. Especially if there's a building on top of it.

I can't believe nobody has just taken the cheat of using 'cavorite'.

[Stromberg]

God, now I can't wait 'till 2012! D: AND WUT EF TEH APOCOLYPZ HAPPNZ B4 EYE CAN FINNISH TEH GAIM!?

Funny how Columbia is falling from the sky.

[BioChocked]

Different people in various universes discovering Adam, perhaps? Like in Bioshock 1, it was in a bottom-dwelling sea slug. In Bioshock: Infinite it could be a completely different animal or unknown source. I was thinking a crow because there was a constant mention of crows but who knows?

That's a good prediction. I'm betting on the crows! :p

[Invader]

Funny how Columbia is falling from the sky.

Hmm... opposite of the apocolypse in the Bible. God, Ken can't get figurative enough, can he?!


And it very well could be crows! Who knows? But what is the source? In Rapture, it was the glowing orb under Persephone- but what is it in Columbia, up in the sky?


Oh, and in our universe, it's stem cells. :p

[z00t]

Yeah, it bites that we need to wait over a year for this game to come out :(.

Especially because it's not the kind of game which they can share a lot of media without spoiling it for the players :p.

So now that they've announced it....what are we going to get for the next one-and-a-half years or so? :( Most likely, we'll get a total of like....20 screenshots and a few videos in the last few months leading up to the game's release! :p

[Codex]

Well, chastity is certainly a legitimate choice for women (as well as men, for that matter) to make. Fifty years ago, it was considered the norm, and sensibly so, so there was no other reliable birth control method.

Oh, it certainly is, I'm not knocking that. It's just never EVER been treated as a man's requirement. Women are supposed to be pure, hence why wedding dresses are white. Once you take that dress off, you get to sully your pure woman up and the like.


The issue that I was gnawing at isn't chastity; it's the idea that women have to have perfect bodies, like the ones that you see in fashion magazines, to be considered "sexy" and "womanly." "Traditional" (or post-WWII) definitions of feminity have disappeared, and that is why we now have this obsession with female beauty in our society. Beauty is seen as the definition of feminity, because, apparently, there's nothing more to womanhood than beauty.

That is how it's always been though. Now, as a feminist a large part of me agrees with you on this. But, it was actually post WWII society that started on the women no longer having "natural" forms. The larger you were in Victorian times, the better you were treated (to a certain point - corsets work THE BEST on big girls, I know this for a fact as at SDCC I managed to make quite a few boys drool ;)), then after the 20's and the 30's, where women could really do as they want came the "white picket fence" ideal of society. Women had to go back to the home after working during WWII and be homemaking machines.

ajgirgoapgn Personally, I hate the talk of video game women being considered attractive in the first place. It's like expecting every chick you bang to moan like a porn star - it ain't gonna happen because it's fake. But, I guess that's just me. I don't see "sexuality" in games like Bioshock, and I really still haven't noticed Elizabeth's boobs in the trailer, I keep forgetting to look >.>'

[stepha-fa-fa]

I made an account just to enter.

I really want to be lucky.

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

On the subject of what will replace ADAM, I'm chucking out a wild guess that the roses will have something to do with it. Elizabeth did have an awful lot of roses with her.

[Reborn in the Ocean]

I am doing that now to Steph I didn't see that part right there :p.

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

Stupid competitions always exclude Aussies. :mad:

[Big Bad Sister]

On the subject of what will replace ADAM, I'm chucking out a wild guess that the roses will have something to do with it. Elizabeth did have an awful lot of roses with her.Maybe the roses will be symbolic, like the blue morpho butterflies in BioShock 2.

[stepha-fa-fa]

On the subject of what will replace ADAM, I'm chucking out a wild guess that the roses will have something to do with it. Elizabeth did have an awful lot of roses with her.
I really don't think it'd be flowers. How about a tonic/crystal?
She used the flowers with her psychic ability.


I am doing that now to Steph I didn't see that part right there :p.

Nooooo! Now one less chance of me getting it. :(

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Don't worry Steph I will share if I can :p.

[grievous04]

Strange. It is set before Ratpture, but in the sky? I do not think this is set in the same universe as Bioshock, but like someone said more like Final Fantasy. Each title is set in a different universe. (Excluding BS2 of course)

[z00t]

On the subject of what will replace ADAM, I'm chucking out a wild guess that the roses will have something to do with it. Elizabeth did have an awful lot of roses with her.

I am guessing that the abilities in this game will follow a certain naming convention.

We know one ability sends out a swarm of crows to kill your enemy. That's what you get from drinking some drink called 'Murder of Crows'.

It's likely that what Elizabeth did was just an ability called 'Bed of Roses'.

[stepha-fa-fa]

Don't worry Steph I will share if I can :p.
I will send crows after you if you don't!
;)

[BioChocked]

I hope a forum-goer gets the prize, I'd like photo... ya know, if I lose. :(

[Reborn in the Ocean]

lol alright then don't send a murder after me now :p, you better send some to me if you win :p

[PureNukage]

Because it's sunny outside I was thinking put in a few creepy things that are only in dark areas. That would give the game a lot of contrast. One minute your fighting in a sunny city and the next minute your fighting for your survival in the dark.

[stepha-fa-fa]

lol alright then don't send a murder after me now :p, you better send some to me if you win :p
Some crows or roses your way?

:p

[Reborn in the Ocean]

Some crows or roses your way?

:p

yes Steph that is what I want and we will talk about it more on fb lol :p I need to get some sleep see you guys tomorrow!

[Invader]

Hmm... I do NOT have an account at Joystiq (I want to enter the contest), but it insists my email(s) have been used! :(

[Daddy Is Strong!]

I really don't think it'd be flowers. How about a tonic/crystal?
She used the flowers with her psychic ability.

The idea of a flower turning people wacko sounds promising




Nooooo! Now one less chance of me getting it. :(
It will be another in just a moment here ;)

I will send crows after you if you don't!
;)

I loved sending bees after people... crows just open a whole other door

[z00t]

You know, another bit of evidence for the 'infinite parallel universes' theory is that this poster: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2010/08/bioshock-infinite-swag-11.jpg

Is a direct twist of this WW1 poster: http://www.vandaprints.com/lowres/39/main/3/67680.jpg

Of course, this begs the question - is the Columbia poster 'canon' in Infinite's universe? Or was it something made just for fun, for the press?

Ironically, that's also a British WW1 poster. :p

[janissary12]

Wow- I didn't learn that in the sixth grade (:(), but Columbia (the city) makes MUCH more sense now! :D
We'd do well to analyze ANYTHING we see in this material from the viewpoint of someone living in 1912.

[Invader]

Wait... Seige of Columbia? Would that mean Columbia suffered a war, too?

[stepha-fa-fa]

You know, another bit of evidence for the 'infinite parallel universes' theory is that this poster: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2010/08/bioshock-infinite-swag-11.jpg

Is a direct twist of this WW1 poster: http://www.vandaprints.com/lowres/39/main/3/67680.jpg

Of course, this begs the question - is the Columbia poster 'canon' in Infinite's universe? Or was it something made just for fun, for the press?

Ironically, that's also a British WW1 poster. :p
You may be on to something there!
Great thoughts and I am leaning in that direction as well.

At Daddy: *shakes fist*
Oohh no you don't!

[Adam Addict L]

You know, another bit of evidence for the 'infinite parallel universes' theory is that this poster: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2010/08/bioshock-infinite-swag-11.jpg

Is a direct twist of this WW1 poster: http://www.vandaprints.com/lowres/39/main/3/67680.jpg

Of course, this begs the question - is the Columbia poster 'canon' in Infinite's universe? Or was it something made just for fun, for the press?

Ironically, that's also a British WW1 poster. :p

funny thing is,the same thing was done in Bioshock 2 lol ...for example the posters in Ryan's Amusement that was ''this way to progess'' are in reality posters that promoted communism

[Invader]

This thread is so much more fun without all the flaming! :D

[Jedi Knight Big Daddy]

I registered :D sorry guys may the most lucky win :D

[Daddy Is Strong!]

At Daddy: *shakes fist*
Oohh no you don't!
I do believe I have a right to FREE swag...

funny thing is,the same thing was done in Bioshock 2 lol ...for example the posters in Ryan's Amusement that was ''this way to progess'' are in reality posters that promoted communism
Plot twist:

The end of the game reveals the hundreds of other Rapture like cities in other universes <--- wild guessing is fun

I registered :D sorry guys may the most lucky win :D

You evil little....

[stepha-fa-fa]

I registered :D sorry guys may the most lucky win :D
Ack!
People stop entering!

Murphys law always follows me. D:

[janissary12]

Maybe the roses will be symbolic, like the blue morpho butterflies in BioShock 2.
Nice, well spotted.

I really thought the blue butterflies would be more central. :(

[Big Bad Sister]

Let's speculate some more about this game! :D

Who is Elizabeth, and why is she in Columbia?

[Jedi Knight Big Daddy]

Sorry guys :o were all friends here, just a little friendly competition... eheh :o...

[Judgeofwings]

I made an account just to enter.

I really want to be lucky.

Im applying too,but all i want is that 'Murder of crows' tonic.If anyone does win it i Will give you one of my Prized Splicer masks and/or maybe some of the artist series posters(the real ones,not the cheap guidebook ones) for it! I REALLY want that Flask!!!!!



You know, another bit of evidence for the 'infinite parallel universes' theory is that this poster: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2010/08/bioshock-infinite-swag-11.jpg

Is a direct twist of this WW1 poster: http://www.vandaprints.com/lowres/39/main/3/67680.jpg

Of course, this begs the question - is the Columbia poster 'canon' in Infinite's universe? Or was it something made just for fun, for the press?

Ironically, that's also a British WW1 poster. :p

Your theory reminds me of the Show Fringe.How basically infinite universes exist and they are all the same with only subtle differences based on actions taken.So in one world we know things to be a certain way but in another it is another.Also since the Propaganda posters in Rapture also we derived from real propaganda posters, i think its a little of both.

[RC1905]

Ack!
People stop entering!

Murphys law always follows me. D:

You never should of posted that link

[Jedi Knight Big Daddy]

Edit out the link now dam it!!! :mad: :p

[z00t]

Wait... Seige of Columbia? Would that mean Columbia suffered a war, too?

Most likely, that might be the 'international incident' which made Columbia go into hiding.


Perhaps a coalition of several countries tried to attack Columbia, jealous of their accomplishments, and seeking to plunder some of it. Since then, the citizens of Columbia may have become extremely xenophobic, and even more aggressive in their belief of America's manifest destiny! Hence why one of the posters in the trailer mentioned 'foreign hordes'.

[stepha-fa-fa]

You never should of posted that link
I didn't post it!

[Orrin Oscar Lutwidge]

All I have to say is this....

Columbia, Gem of the Ocean

;)

[Blade_Runner]

i registered and put down my drink as well:p

[RC1905]

I didn't post it!

Then i must be losing my mind. Apologies

[Daddy Is Strong!]

I didn't post it!
Shouldn't of quoted it ;)

All I have to say is this....

Columbia, Gem of the Ocean

;)

We should just try thinking of the end now.. starting with this :p

[Nyokou]

I totally entered that contest too. xD

I want to expand my Bioshock collection. :p

[z00t]

We should just try thinking of the end now.. starting with this :p

Columbia is a city that's slowly falling to the earth, according to the official synopsis.

So, what happens is that Columbia actually lands in the SEA! Then it turns out that it's actually designed to be able to submerge under water, so it eventually sinks to the bottom of the pacific ocean.

THEN we discover that Andrew Ryan is in there and that he planned the whole thing all along, and that he does this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLnpA_bxMy8

THE END

[stepha-fa-fa]

Most likely, that might be the 'international incident' which made Columbia go into hiding.


Perhaps a coalition of several countries tried to attack Columbia, jealous of their accomplishments, and seeking to plunder some of it. Since then, the citizens of Columbia may have become extremely xenophobic, and even more aggressive in their belief of America's manifest destiny! Hence why one of the posters in the trailer mentioned 'foreign hordes'.
To keep the city safe or something else entirely?

i registered and put down my drink as well:p
...I'm digging my grave.
:(

Then i must be losing my mind. Apologies
Apology accepted.

Shouldn't of quoted ;)

Gah! Curse my impulsive behavior. Where's that frontal lobe to think of cause and effect when I need it! >.<

[Big Bad Sister]

Columbia is a city that's slowly falling to the earth, according to the official synopsis.

So, what happens is that Columbia actually lands in the SEA! Then it turns out that it's actually designed to be able to submerge under water, so it eventually sinks to the bottom of the pacific ocean.Then, Columbia collides with Rapture, and the two cities are forever destroyed - and the world only learns of their existence after they are gone forever! :D

[RC1905]

Columbia is a city that's slowly falling to the earth, according to the official synopsis.

So, what happens is that Columbia actually lands in the SEA! Then it turns out that it's actually designed to be able to submerge under water, so it eventually sinks to the bottom of the pacific ocean.

THEN we discover that Andrew Ryan is in there and that he planned the whole thing all along, and that he does this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLnpA_bxMy8

THE END

I had no idea Andrew Ryan spoke Japanese

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

Im applying too,but all i want is that 'Murder of crows' tonic.If anyone does win it i Will give you one of my Prized Splicer masks and/or maybe some of the artist series posters(the real ones,not the cheap guidebook ones) for it! I REALLY want that Flask!!!!!
.

Bad mod, trading not allowed on the forums. >=(

:cool:

[z00t]

Then, Columbia collides with Rapture, and the two cities are forever destroyed - and the world only learns of their existence after they are gone forever! :D

Nooooooo - it turns out that Rapture was Columbia ALL ALONG! :D



I had no idea Andrew Ryan spoke Japanese

That's why it's such a good twist!

[Judgeofwings]

Bad mod, trading not allowed on the forums. >=(

:cool:

LOL,im not trading,rather i should say i am negotiation terms for obtaining desirable swag.:cool:

Imma bad bad mawd,but is it too much to want that flask? :p

[IllusionOfLife]

Ok, so I tried to catch up, I really did, but you guys are moving way to fast for me, every time I think I've made some progress the thread has gained twice as many pages as I've read, so I apologize if someone has revealed this revelation already, but I think I've finally wrapped my head around just why this game DOES deserve to be called BioShock.

So I was dubious when I saw the title at the end of the trailer and when I read Ken's most recent post on the Irrational home page I took the name to be a direct insult to 2K Marin and BioShock 2, but now that I've thought about it some more and seen/read some more interviews with Mr. Levine himself I think I understand more of where he's coming from. To him, BioShock is an idea that transcends stories, transcends locations, transcends times, so this is a spiritual successor to Rapture's BioShock, but in his mind it's just as much BioShock because it's coming from the same theoretical place.

I'm going to have to disagree on some level with him, because I think that BioShock is, in the minds of most people, tied to the story of Rapture and to call a game BioShock and divorce it from that story is jarring and potentially confusing. However, I'm obviously not the keeper of the franchise and I totally get where Levine is coming from so I'll just have to work on getting my mind wrapped around this new change. I think that's probably a similar experience to what many of you are going through (ADAM Addict L, I'm looking at you).

BioShock Infinite is not a prequel to BioShock, not really, yes it's a BioShock game, and it's set before the original, but their stories are (likely) unrelated. In terms of narrative, BioShock Infinite is a whole different animal than BioShock or BioShock 2; this is not the story of Rapture or Andrew Ryan or Sofia Lamb, it's something completely new. The reason that this is a BioShock game, as Ken Levine has tried to explain, is that it comes from the same core concept. BioShock is an idea, not a story. Yeah, that sounds weird to me too, but I'm trying to adjust :p .

So I say Bring on BioShock Infinite and let Levine keep his name, it's fitting now that I understand it. I do hope, however, that we will eventually see a final installment of Rapture's BioShock to wrap up the story of that city.

[Daddy Is Strong!]

↑↑↑↑↑↑

I pretty much agree with what he said....
___

To keep the city safe or something else entirely?

They found the tonic things- others wanted it... now they are attacking everyone thinking they want to steal the stash



...I'm digging my grave. :(

There is always eba- that site


Gah! Curse my impulsive behavior. Where's that frontal lobe to think of cause and effect when I need it! >.<
I do believe our forums greatest minds used our yearly supply already

Then, Columbia collides with Rapture, and the two cities are forever destroyed - and the world only learns of their existence after they are gone forever! :D

Then! a secret THIRD city appears.... on LAND!

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

LOL,im not trading,rather i should say i am negotiation terms for obtaining desirable swag.:cool:

Oh, well that's alright then. :p

@Illusion, I relate BioShock Infinite to a Fallout: New Vegas or Halo: ODST even, now the difference story may be far different from that of the examples here and BioShock: Infinite, it's still BioShock and going by how the first two have turned out I have no doubts this game will be just as good, and when all is said and done I'm sure we will all accept that regardless of location it is just as much BioShock as any game set in Rapture.

[janissary12]

I think the term "bioshock" is rather like "blitzkrieg"--- although mostly associated with WWII, the technique of blitzkrieg is used to this day, with speed being the major factor in a military assault. Certainly the US military is famous for its speed of deployment.

So, when a society is bioshocked..... we get a game out of the deal. :cool:

+++++++++++++++++++++

Then! a secret THIRD city appears.... on LAND!
A city on land?! Madness.

[Big Bad Sister]

I think the term "bioshock" is rather like "blitzkrieg"--- although mostly associated with WWII, the technique of blitzkrieg is used to this day, with speed being the major factor in a military assault. Certainly the US military is famous for its speed of deployment.

So, when a society is bioshocked..... we get a game out of the deal. :cool:Yeah, BioShock wasn't even intended to be set in Rapture. Maybe BioShock Infinite will make use of the gruesome and horrific splicing that was originally planned for BioShock! :D

[Adam Addict L]

(ADAM Addict L, I'm looking at you).

Bah! *Hides somewhere in the shadows*

....but seriously....I'm all for the game...I just feel blindsides by the title...but...hey...maybe it will grow on me...I won't sat that that ISN'T a possibilty....but we'll see in due time....




I do hope, however, that we will eventually see a final installment of Rapture's BioShock to wrap up the story of that city.

this bandwagon I do whole-heartedly jump on

[Gin Ichimaru]

just one direy form Ryan and i will be happy

[Adam Addict L]

just one direy form Ryan and i will be happy

not possible..Ryan is in Russia in 1912....and I;m gonna go on a limb and say he'd also be a lil kid too,if even born yet

[stepha-fa-fa]

I like how you're thinking about it Illusion. It's a concept hard to swallow at first, but chew on it.

And Adam L: maybe they'll change the name so you won't collapse. ;)

[BioChocked]

Let's speculate some more about this game! :D


Maybe the alternate America was driven to war/conquest, but like 'Nazi Germany' they driven back until they eventually lost the worldwide conflict, Columbia could of been an ambitious second solution Capital, If the Continental United States we're to fall into enemy hands.

Elizabeth could be the First daughter, and the Hand (Creature thing) could of been an overzealous secret service agent who died (And was obviously resurrected:p ) trying to protect the rest of the first family, He's making up his failure by protecting Elizabeth from anything and anyone.

*dun, Dun, DUN*

(What do you think?)

[Judgeofwings]

just one direy form Ryan and i will be happy


not possible..Ryan is in Russia in 1912....and I;m gonna go on a limb and say he'd also be a lil kid too,if even born yet

AAL is correct,this game is set in 1912,Andrew ryan should be a kid at this time,most likely a toddler. Also this game isn't set in rapture's Universe.;)

[that_splicer_guy]

its better than the same old thing, if games devs starting to conform to the petty moans of babies, we would be getting a "call of duty" look-alike instead of a bold new idea, the trailer really brought back, nostalgia? but how?

it gave that feeling that was missing in BioShock 2, what feeling? originality!

(its funny how hardcore fans of the first game that used to be around here are coming back, almost brings a tear to my eye :'])

[Big Bad Sister]

A city on land?! Madness.Make it an underground city, and I'll shoot myself.

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

not possible..Ryan is in Russia in 1912....and I;m gonna go on a limb and say he'd also be a lil kid too,if even born yet

Andrew Ryan would be 18-20 years old in 1912.

[z00t]

Wow, have you guys taken a look at the immigration form that comes with the press swag???

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2010/08/bioshock-infinite-swag-02.jpg

It's really into the whole racial purity thing!

There are 2 Partitions - Partition A and Partition B.

Partition A is for people of European origin and is pretty straightforward (some exceptions like Gypsies).

Partition B and its follow-up is absolutely disgusting! It asks if the bearer is of ethnicities like 'Hebrew, Malay, Nubian, Musalman/Moorish, Mongoloid A, Mongoloid B...' Then, if you fall under Partition B, you need to give detailed information like your cranial circumference, length of your left foot, complexion, and more! It's so Nazi-like in its pseudo-scientific nature.

You can't look at that immigration form while listening to this music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siHfQGn3JTs without getting shivers down your spine :p.

[janissary12]

Maybe the alternate America was driven to war/conquest,
Alternate America? Sounds like the REAL Amurika.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_White_Fleet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_C._Perry

(While the White Fleet didn't directly conquer anybody, it was like walking down the street carrying a big stick. Basically, America saying, "We will fijck you up.")

[Gin Ichimaru]

i want some easter eggs like on we might meet a guy named lukes Cohen

[Big Bad Sister]

Wow, have you guys taken a look at the immigration form that comes with the press swag???

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2010/08/bioshock-infinite-swag-02.jpg

It's really into the whole racial purity thing!

There are 2 Partitions - Partition A and Partition B.

Partition A is for people of European origin and is pretty straightforward (some exceptions like Gypsies).

Partition B and its follow-up is absolutely disgusting! It asks if the bearer is of ethnicities like 'Hebrew, Malay, Nubian, Musalman/Moorish, Mongoloid A, Mongoloid B...' Then, if you fall under Partition B, you need to give detailed information like your cranial circumference, length of your left foot, complexion, and more! It's so Nazi-like in its pseudo-scientific nature.

You can't look at that immigration form while listening to this music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siHfQGn3JTs without getting shivers down your spine :p.So, Columbia was a eugenicist society.

[z00t]

So, Columbia was a eugenicist society.

I wonder, when that one poster in the trailer mentioned 'foreign hordes', maybe it's doing so in the context of 'polluting' the genepool in Columbia :p.

[that_splicer_guy]

Wow, have you guys taken a look at the immigration form that comes with the press swag???

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2010/08/bioshock-infinite-swag-02.jpg

It's really into the whole racial purity thing!

There are 2 Partitions - Partition A and Partition B.

Partition A is for people of European origin and is pretty straightforward (some exceptions like Gypsies).

Partition B and its follow-up is absolutely disgusting! It asks if the bearer is of ethnicities like 'Hebrew, Malay, Nubian, Musalman/Moorish, Mongoloid A, Mongoloid B...' Then, if you fall under Partition B, you need to give detailed information like your cranial circumference, length of your left foot, complexion, and more! It's so Nazi-like in its pseudo-scientific nature.

You can't look at that immigration form while listening to this music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siHfQGn3JTs without getting shivers down your spine :p.
so thats a plot device, THANK YOU, now i can crack my knuckles and do a bit of digging on that time period

(ken levine you cheeky bastard, subconsciously teaching us history...)

[RC1905]

(ken levine you cheeky bastard, subconsciously teaching us history...)

My mind feels violated

[stepha-fa-fa]

I wonder, when that one poster in the trailer mentioned 'foreign hordes', maybe it's doing so in the context of 'polluting' the genepool in Columbia :p.
Or maybe the tonics would be altered with these "unpure types"?
Just putting it out there.

[Big Bad Sister]

Instead of art deco, BioShock Infinite will have steampunk as its main art style! :D

[Adam Addict L]

And Adam L: maybe they'll change the name so you won't collapse. ;)

*hides from you too* ...but really,like I said,it might grow on me...

[Invader]

*hides from you too* ...but really,like I said,it might grow on me...


It already grew on me! :)


EDIT: Wow, 65 pages in ONE day! :D

[Grathius22]

It already grew on me! :)


EDIT: Wow, 65 pages in ONE day! :D

So many pages, because it's exciting.

AND WE HAVE TWO YEARS TO GO!

[Big Bad Sister]

Will we be able to look through the windows and see the sky? :D

[Invader]

AND WE HAVE TWO YEARS TO GO!


Those years are going to be SO. FRIGGIN. SLOW!

Heck, I played so much BS1 that it felt like an eternity after I had heard of the release of BS2 (and I heard about it a quarter through development)...


Two years. This is going to hurt.


(I wonder what the skyboxes are going to be like? I mean, the ground that you'll see when you look down... I hope it never really repeats itself...)

[z00t]

Will we be able to look through the windows and see the sky? :D

I'm sure we will!

Incidentally, you know how the original Bioshock had its own somewhat plausible engineering explanations as to how a city under water could be built?

I suspect that the buildings in Columbia were not built with stone and mortar, but something that can be made to look similar, is very strong, and is most importantly - lightweight :p.

[SteamRoller13]

My question is will they still have the good ole audio logs?

[Invader]

I'm sure we will!

Incidentally, you know how the original Bioshock had its own somewhat plausible engineering explanations as to how a city under water could be built?

I suspect that the buildings in Columbia were not built with stone and mortar, but something that can be made to look similar, is very strong, and is most importantly - lightweight :p.

I'd bet you're on to something!


My question is will they still have the good ole audio logs?

Ken said they probably will, but he never said "Yes".

[Vraiment]

Those years are going to be SO. FRIGGIN. SLOW!

Heck, I played so much BS1 that it felt like an eternity after I had heard of the release of BS2 (and I heard about it a quarter through development)...


Two years. This is going to hurt.


(I wonder what the skyboxes are going to be like? I mean, the ground that you'll see when you look down... I hope it never really repeats itself...)

At least we will have Minerva's Dent, and we already have the protector trials and multiplayer

[Invader]

At least we will have Minerva's Dent, and we already have the protector trials and multiplayer


It's Den, not Dent. :p But yeah, I expect BS1 and 2 will hold off the tide pretty well.

[z00t]

I think you might be on to something there.


You may be on to something there!



I'd bet you're on to something!


Is this some in-joke I'm not aware of? :p

[Grathius22]

Is this some in-joke I'm not aware of? :p

I think you may be on to something, there.

[X1 BLACKOUT 1X]

I'm still really uneasy about this game. This isn't Bioshock. Bioshock is Rapture and Rapture is Bioshock. Ken, idk what the he'll you're doing, and I don't know if you have my support at this point. Just don't **** the series up lik Infinity Ward did with Call of Duty

[Invader]

Is this some in-joke I'm not aware of? :p

I'd certainly bet good money that you are on to something. :p


There wasn't before, BUT THAR IS NOW!



I'm still really uneasy about this game. This isn't Bioshock. Bioshock is Rapture and Rapture is Bioshock. Ken, idk what the he'll you're doing, and I don't know if you have my support at this point. Just don't **** the series up lik Infinity Ward did with Call of Duty

I'm sure they won't- but if they do...

[z00t]

I think you may be on to something, there.



I'd certainly bet good money that you are on to something. :p


There wasn't before, BUT THAR IS NOW!



D:

So anyway, what would be a good abbreviation for Bioshock Infinite? I'm thinking......BSI !

[Grathius22]

D:

So anyway, what would be a good abbreviation for Bioshock Infinite? I'm thinking......BSI !

I think you're on to something, there!

[Blade_Runner]

I'd bet you're on to something!



Ken said they probably will, but he never said "Yes".

probably something different, like a mini recored player, and the diaries are recorded on little vinyls

[janissary12]

My question is will they still have the good ole audio logs?
I'm thinking super-duper Edison cylinders.

....what? Oh, here ya go, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_cylinder)ya digitzed punks.

[Jedi Knight Big Daddy]

D:

So anyway, what would be a good abbreviation for Bioshock Infinite? I'm thinking......BSI !

I think you're definately on to something, there

(I don't get it, but i'm gonna go with it :p)

[z00t]

I'm thinking super-duper Edison cylinders.

....what? Oh, here ya go, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_cylinder)ya digitzed punks.

I think you're onto something there!

See? I can do that, too! :p

But seriously - that is TOTALLY how communication should be done in Columbia! You have cans with string attached to them, and they run in-between the buildings! When someone wants to talk to you, you gotta get to the specific can on the other end, pull it so the string is taut, and then you two can talk! :D

[Jedi Knight Big Daddy]

I think you're onto something there!

See? I can do that, too! :p

But seriously - that is TOTALLY how communication should be done in Columbia! You have cans with string attached to them, and they run in-between the buildings! When someone wants to talk to you, you gotta get to the specific can on the other end, pull it so the string is taut, and then you two can talk! :D

I think your on to something, THERE

[Invader]

I think you're onto something there!

See? I can do that, too! :p

But seriously - that is TOTALLY how communication should be done in Columbia! You have cans with string attached to them, and they run in-between the buildings! When someone wants to talk to you, you gotta get to the specific can on the other end, pull it so the string is taut, and then you two can talk! :D

Sounds like a super pain in the ***, but it's better than jumping between the city's sections! D:

THEENK U B ON2 SUMTENG THAIR!

EDIT: Oh gawd... it just occured to me that we're going to have to buy SO MANY MORE NECA figures now! DX

*MOD EDIT: Don't use huge bright font. Thanks. ~Mari.*

[janissary12]

But seriously - that is TOTALLY how communication should be done in Columbia! You have cans with string attached to them, and they run in-between the buildings! When someone wants to talk to you, you gotta get to the specific can on the other end, pull it so the string is taut, and then you two can talk! :D
It's a damn good thing Ken Levine is trying to teach us some history, since this forum is sorely lacking:


10 March 1876 — The first successful telephone transmission of clear speech using a liquid transmitter when Bell spoke into his device, “Mr. Watson, come here, I want to see you.” and Watson heard each word distinctly.

"Candlestick" phones were in common use by the 1890s.

Check out the 1896 Swedish phone at this link. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone) Reasonably modern looking.

[z00t]

It's a damn good thing Ken Levine is trying to teach us some history, since this forum is sorely lacking:


10 March 1876 — The first successful telephone transmission of clear speech using a liquid transmitter when Bell spoke into his device, “Mr. Watson, come here, I want to see you.” and Watson heard each word distinctly.

"Candlestick" phones were in common use by the 1890s.

Check out the 1896 Swedish phone at this link. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone) Reasonably modern looking.

You didn't honestly think I was serious about the cans-with-string-attached-to-them did you? o_0

[BioShock Freak]

Intriguing! Can't wait to find out more about it and play it. :D

~Mari.

[Codex]

"Candlestick" phones were in common use by the 1890s..

What are you talking about? I know for a fact that they were still using smoke signals for communication up until 1989.

[janissary12]

What are you talking about? I know for a fact that they were still using smoke signals for communication up until 1989.
Well, in Canada, sure.

That's why you were so hot to develop the tar sands: to increase your bandwidth.

[Vraiment]

What are you talking about? I know for a fact that they were still using smoke signals for communication up until 1989.

The first mobile by Nokia was invented in 1980, so they used SmartPhones with multi-touch

[Invader]

You didn't honestly think I was serious about the cans-with-string-attached-to-them did you? o_0

Unfortunately, I did. o_o

So, Columbia would probably have a phone system...

[Big Bad Sister]

Well, in Canada, sure.

That's why you were so hot to develop the tar sands: to increase your bandwidth.Are you pissed off?

[janissary12]

You didn't honestly think I was serious about the cans-with-string-attached-to-them did you? o_0
25 posts, it's hard to tell.

BTW, isn't there a Jules Verne story about a "sky fortress"? I remember the movie clearly: Vincent Price played the captain of the skyship. Home base was a volcano caldera.

....ahhh, "Master of the World". Hey, Charles Bronson was in it too! Dang, screenplay by SF giant Richard Matheson!!!

Checkout the skyship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_the_World_%281961_film%29) in the promotional poster!!!

+++++

Are you pissed off?
Canada increasing it's bandwidth is all to the good. Just takes a lot of smoke.

Usually the blue smoke stays inside of the chips.

[Codex]

Well, in Canada, sure.

That's why you were so hot to develop the tar sands: to increase your bandwidth.

Those damned beavers keep cutting down trees onto our igloos, which keep melting because of global warming. Can you blame us?


The first mobile by Nokia was invented in 1980, so they used SmartPhones with multi-touch

Aha! I knew the iPod 4 had familiar flaws.

[z00t]

My friends, I have a stunning revelation to share with you all!

Raw sewage: how does Columbia dispose of it?

...Indeed!

[Jedi Knight Big Daddy]

OMG im so tired and cant follow whats going on :( phones or something and nokia smart phones in columbia huh, I think your on to something

[Jedi Knight Big Daddy]

My friends, I have a stunning revelation to share with you all!

Raw sewage: how does Columbia dispose of it?

...Indeed!

I think your on to something, those poor people on land, that's probaly why they went to war with Columbia :D

[Big Bad Sister]

Canada increasing it's bandwidth is all to the good. Just takes a lot of smoke.

Usually the blue smoke stays inside of the chips.Yeah, you're right. At least oil spills don't create any smoke. :rolleyes:

[janissary12]

My friends, I have a stunning revelation to share with you all!

Raw sewage: how does Columbia dispose of it?

...Indeed!
Well, that's.... grounding. :( (And not literally a 'revelation'.)

Any pilots in the audience? From the trailer, can you estimate how high Columbia is flying?? I'm thinking, high enough and you can just atomize (that's a very old term, not modern) the waste and spray it out a bit at a time. High enough, and it might not even reach the ground.

Funky, but doable. I'd avoid Columbia nonetheless.

[BioShock Freak]

Ok guys, stick to the topic please.

~Mari.

[McGee]

I don't get why they just don't call this game simply Infinte?

The way it sounds now is so awkward, and cheap.

[janissary12]

What other topics were hot in that time period? 'Cuz I'm sure Ken Levine will find a way to riff on them if they address his theme.

[Big Bad Sister]

I don't get why they just don't call this game simply Infinte?

The way it sounds now is so awkward, and cheap.*smacks forehead*

We've already explained that! :mad:

[Invader]

Ok guys, stick to the topic please.

~Mari.

Okay.


So... the raw sewage would... get dumped on poor 'ol Farmer Brown's face. :( (Unless it gets "atomized")


So... how does DeWitt get into Columbia? It doesn't seem like you could just fly a plane up there... I mean, it's friggin 1912!

[Codex]

What other topics were hot in that time period? 'Cuz I'm sure Ken Levine will find a way to riff on them if they address his theme.

It's pre-WWI, about the time of the Boer War if I am correct in thinking... There could definitely be something in that.

[Rybow73]

What other topics were hot in that time period? 'Cuz I'm sure Ken Levine will find a way to riff on them if they address his theme.

The Titanic sank in 1912...though it's a big event, it probably will have no relevance, haha.

[BioShock Freak]

Okay.


So... the raw sewage would... get dumped on poor 'ol Farmer Brown's face. :( (Unless it gets "atomized")


So... how does DeWitt get into Columbia? It doesn't seem like you could just fly a plane up there... I mean, it's friggin 1912!
If a city could be sustained in the sky FLOATING, you think there'd be no way of bring someone, ANYONE, up there? Think about it. ;)

~Mari.

[janissary12]

It's pre-WWI, about the time of the Boer War if I am correct in thinking... There could definitely be something in that.
So far, from the released info, we have:

"Manifest Destiny"
The Great White Fleet.
Immigration (from the poster), with a side of racism (passport tag)
maybe some phrenology? (from the passport tag)

SPECULATION
I'm thinking Imperialism will be given a whack or two.

Boer War was 1899, IIRC. ( Yes, I did RC. --Actually, it was "The Second Boer War", but that's the one we usually refer to as "The Boer War". The one W.Churchill was in as a journalist.) Widely touted as the first 'modern' war, with concentration camps, machine guns, and mechanized transport.

[Gin Ichimaru]

wait is there adam it looks like theres adam

[IllusionOfLife]

What other topics were hot in that time period? 'Cuz I'm sure Ken Levine will find a way to riff on them if they address his theme.

Hmm, I'm drawing blanks on this one. Being as big of a movie nerd as I am I can usually find at least a few movies I've seen that are defining of a particular period of time, but I'm realizing now that I'm not familiar at all with the early 1900s in film… I have no point of reference :eek:

[janissary12]

Hmm, I'm drawing blanks on this one. Being as big of a movie nerd as I am I can usually find at least a few movies I've seen that are defining of a particular period of time, but I'm realizing now that I'm not familiar at all with the early 1900s in film… I have no point of reference :eek:
I believe both the Universal Suffrage and the Temperance movements were big at the time.

Also, 'talking to the dead', I think. I know Edison was interested in that.

Mesmerism?

[SyntaxError]

It's pre-WWI, about the time of the Boer War if I am correct in thinking... There could definitely be something in that.The last Boer War which was the second one ended in 1902. So better luck next time:D

[Big Bad Sister]

I believe both the Universal Suffrage and the Temperance movements were big at the time.

Also, 'talking to the dead', I think. I know Edison was interested in that.

Mesmerism?On what ideology exactly was Columbia built?

Also, is anyone else shocked at the number of threads that have been closed in this forum in a single day? :eek:

[SyntaxError]

On what ideology exactly was Columbia built?

Also, is anyone else shocked at the number of threads that have been closed in this forum in a single day? :eek:Yeah well there's no need for billions of threads for BS:I discussions. Just this one is fine.

[venom11]

i think we'll start in that gondola. and then we'll be intreduced with that stripped trousers. have you seen those two pictures from BSI btw?

[Adam Addict L]

i think we'll start in that gondola. and then we'll be intreduced with that stripped trousers. have you seen those two pictures from BSI btw?

and instead of a short film...we'll hear a voice over a phonograph or whatever...''Hello my name is (insert name of protagonist here) and I'm here to ask you a question...is a man entitled to the fruits of his labors? NO! says that Czar in Russia...NO! says the communist in Puerto Rico..NO! says the president of the America! So I chose something entiredly seperate...I chose to build...Columbia!''

[z00t]

Immigration (from the poster), with a side of racism (passport tag)


I think that racism will play a much bigger role in the philosophy of the place than just being 'a side'!

The immigration tag is loaded with Nazi-ish implications, especially the pseudo-scientific measurement of cranial circumferences and stuff!

Furthermore, there's that big poster in the trailer which implies that (presumably) genetically undesirable babies are just 'chaff' that should probably be killed off rather than be allowed to continue existing and potentially polluting the genepool in Columbia.

I expect eugenics to be quite a significant aspect of Columbia's identity

[venom11]

we're playing as a pinkerton agent...that sounds very intersting. and we need to save Liz...why is she so important.

[z00t]

we're playing as a pinkerton agent...that sounds very intersting. and we need to save Liz...why is she so important.

Isn't she like the community manager for 2k games or something?

[Gin Ichimaru]

wait is there adam

[venom11]

Isn't she like the community manager for 2k games or something?

yes she is but that girl we are saving is also Elizabeth so... why won't we call her Liz? :D


wait is there adam

have you read any interview with Levine or any preview of BSI?

[SyntaxError]

wait is there adamNah its called "Cloud" now.:D

[Gin Ichimaru]

opps i havent read every thing sorry

[SyntaxError]

opps i havent read every thing sorryI was joking.

[IllusionOfLife]

yes she is but that girl we are saving is also Elizabeth so... why won't we call her Liz? :D

*sigh* z00t, you really need to get a sarcasm font or something, people just aren't getting it yet around here ;)

[temporaryplaceholder]

I honestly wish I hadn't seen this, waiting until the 2012 release will slay me! :(

I'm in agreement that the name needs to change, but I suppose I'm a bit behind in this thread mentioning it. But really, "Bioshock Infinite"? It's mirroring 2K's "XCOM" mistake there. People are going to end up resenting this just because of the title... rightly so, I suppose. There's no way this can fit into the current BS universe. It's a different story and it needs a fitting name.

But with that out of the way, the game on it's own merits... man, I am incredibly intrigued! It looks fascinating! :eek:

The grappling hook travel idea irks me a bit. Doesn't really fit the luxury of the rest of the city and is feeling a bit too much like Ratchet and Clank... but my argument there is premature since I have no idea how it works yet.

umg I am now going to watch the trailer until my eyes crust over and fall out.

[Gin Ichimaru]

what if we see Ryans dad or somthing because if it has no conections then its not in the same universe

[Rybow73]

I honestly wish I hadn't seen this, waiting until the 2012 release will slay me! :(

I'm in agreement that the name needs to change, but I suppose I'm a bit behind in this thread mentioning it. But really, "Bioshock Infinite"? It's mirroring 2K's "XCOM" mistake there. People are going to end up resenting this just because of the title... rightly so, I suppose. There's no way this can fit into the current BS universe. It's a different story and it needs a fitting name.

But with that out of the way, the game on it's own merits... man, I am incredibly intrigued! It looks fascinating! :eek:

The grappling hook travel idea irks me a bit. Doesn't really fit the luxury of the rest of the city and is feeling a bit too much like Ratchet and Clank... but my argument there is premature since I have no idea how it works yet.

umg I am now going to watch the trailer until my eyes crust over and fall out.

Well, the grappling hook concept wasn't originally how they moved around, supposedly. Originally, those areas were to transport different things, but later on, with whatever went on, they were used with hooks and whatnot.

That's just what I got out of the articles and interviews.

[SyntaxError]

I honestly wish I hadn't seen this, waiting until the 2012 release will slay me! :(

I'm in agreement that the name needs to change, but I suppose I'm a bit behind in this thread mentioning it. But really, "Bioshock Infinite"? It's mirroring 2K's "XCOM" mistake there. People are going to end up resenting this just because of the title... rightly so, I suppose. There's no way this can fit into the current BS universe. It's a different story and it needs a fitting name.

But with that out of the way, the game on it's own merits... man, I am incredibly intrigued! It looks fascinating! :eek:

The grappling hook travel idea irks me a bit. Doesn't really fit the luxury of the rest of the city and is feeling a bit too much like Ratchet and Clank... but my argument there is premature since I have no idea how it works yet.

umg I am now going to watch the trailer until my eyes crust over and fall out.Maybe it's really a prequel:confused:



"SS: Would you say that BioShock Infinite is in the same universe, or the same timeline, as BioShock?

KL: That’s a good question. That’s something that people should keep their eyes on — once the gameplay footage comes out, there will be some things that will make people ask questions along those lines, and wonder about any of those kinds of connections."

[z00t]

*sigh* z00t, you really need to get a sarcasm font or something, people just aren't getting it yet around here ;)

I cannot, in fact, blame anyone! Not being able to tell someone's 'tone' without the use of liberal amounts of smilies is one of the shortcomings of internet communication in this fashion, and not necessarily the fault of the person who reads it!

However, to answer the question of Liz's importance in a truthful fashion, I shall point you all to this interview:

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/starting-from-bioshock-infinite/702824

So yeah! It seems that you were hired by someone from the surface (and I love how I can still say 'the surface') to find this girl. Obviously, she means a lot to her employer, but to your character, this may be just a job (albeit quite an extraordinary one).

Elizabeth's been up there for 15 years. Who captured her? Why do they want her? As an individual there must be something special about her which interests the forces on Columbia - is your character's employer aware of these special qualities Elizabeth may have? Or is your employer interested in Elizabeth only because she is related to him/her?

We'll find out the answers to these questions....in two years!

[venom11]

this is video for those who think BS=Rapture:
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/starting-from-bioshock-infinite/702824

[temporaryplaceholder]

Maybe it's really a prequel:confused:

Yeah, but a prequel where "ADAM" (under a different name) is discovered, and then not brought into Rapture, and then discovered completely independently a whole second time by Dr Tennenbaum?

There's a few other things, and they can technically work I guess, but it just seems... very, very odd.

From that section of interview, sure, I'll give Levine the benefit of the doubt... but really, I think he was just trying to create an air of mystery. How this can possibly fit with both current BS games just totally eludes me. :(

[Nyokou]

Because of Bioshock: Infinite, I now think of it more along the lines of the Final Fantasy franchise. Each game was supposed to be different. I also get the feeling that Bioshock 2 shouldn't have been made or that the first Bioshock should have at least had a subtitle as well.

I guess Levine screwed that up big time. All his fans are now running around like chickens with their heads cut off because of this new game... I think I'll just sit back, relax, and enjoy the show.

:)

[Adam Addict L]

this is video for those who think BS=Rapture:
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/starting-from-bioshock-infinite/702824

trailer is nice,but I still think Bioshock DOES = Rapture...for now...

[Systemaddict]

@temporaryplaceholder

Setting it prior to Rapture does nothing but open up possibilities. People seem to keep holding onto the 'What's possible' by tying it to a timeline that's still based in our own reality. That doesn't make sense though...

Obviously things in this universe are unique. As they were in Rapture. But what we know of Rapture has been told through the words of the people that lived and died there. They've made the history for us...but can you say for sure that none of it was built on lies?

It could be lots of things - Columbia could very well not even be on the same planet as Rapture...but tying in the cannon shouldn't worry anyone so much - they have endless opportunity to do it very very well by removing some of the walls they had built up - the time line being one of the biggest.

[IllusionOfLife]

Yeah, but a prequel where "ADAM" (under a different name) is discovered, and then not brought into Rapture, and then discovered completely independently a whole second time by Dr Tennenbaum?

There's a few other things, and they can technically work I guess, but it just seems... very, very odd.

From that section of interview, sure, I'll give Levine the benefit of the doubt... but really, I think he was just trying to create an air of mystery. How this can possibly fit with both current BS games just totally eludes me. :(

I've explained this in more detail before, if you're interested you can read here (http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=996009&postcount=617) but to give you the cliff notes version, the way Ken Levine sees BioShock is not as a particular story but as an ideal. BioShock is a type of game that has a similar gameplay mechanic and focusses on a period of history and taking its ideologies to their extremes among other things.

In the traditional sense BioShock Infinite is NOT a prequel, yes it is set before the events of BioShock and BioShock 2, but the stories are not related. This is, for all intents and purposes a spiritual successor to BioShock, just as BioShock was to System Shock 2.

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

The more I think about it the more and more it reminds me of the Legend of Zelda franchise, Same name, same gameplay mechanics, different story (albeit Zelda's follows the same basic path) and different characters (again Zelda tends to reuse characters but its alright because Zelda is awesome).

For a long time I would have agreed that 'No Rapture = No BioShock' but after watching a simple 3minute long trailer I have been swayed.

[temporaryplaceholder]

In the traditional sense BioShock Infinite is NOT a prequel, yes it is set before the events of BioShock and BioShock 2, but the stories are not related. This is, for all intents and purposes a spiritual successor to BioShock, just as BioShock was to System Shock 2.

Yeah, I get that... "Bioshock" is more of a theme than a plot. I just think it's a bit late for that, that's all. System Shock already has a different name. Bioshock 1 and 2 already have their own distinct thing going on and a sequential title that fits. I don't think it really works. But eh. That's just me.

Regardless, I think it's only a small issue. But I can see it blowing up- as I said- in the same way XCOM has.

It's not going to be good, I can see it now.

[IllusionOfLife]

Yeah, I get that... "Bioshock" is more of a theme than a plot. I just think it's a bit late for that, that's all. System Shock already has a different name. Bioshock 1 and 2 already have their own distinct thing going on and a sequential title that fits. I don't think it really works. But eh. That's just me.

I tend to agree with you, but I also totally see where Levine is coming from. Having a common name to tie this idea together makes sense, but at the same time the name BioShock has become synonymous with the story of Rapture. It'll be hard to divorce those two things in a lot of people's minds.

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

Yeah, I get that... "Bioshock" is more of a theme than a plot. I just think it's a bit late for that, that's all. System Shock already has a different name. Bioshock 1 and 2 already have their own distinct thing going on and a sequential title that fits. I don't think it really works. But eh. That's just me.

Regardless, I think it's only a small issue. But I can see it blowing up- as I said- in the same way XCOM has.

It's not going to be good, I can see it now.

The main thing is that with XCOM the gameplay is entirely different from what its old school fans are used too. As far as we know this biggest change in this game will be just a simple change of location.

[venom11]

i'm too more and more thinking that they should change the name cuz Systemshock was in space and Bioshock was at the bottom of the ocean and both games are about morality.

[MightyHaze]

What about Stratoshock? lol:D

[Big Bad Sister]

What about Stratoshock? lol:DNo. -_- Just ... no. O_o

[sac_boi]

When I first read the heading "Bioshock Takes to the Skies"
I had an expression of :eek:
. . . but as the video progressed I found that my feeling changed :) :D :cool:

Ultimately, though, :( because it's not out yet.

[Big Bad Sister]

Wow ... it's been only one day since the game was announced, and already we have over seventy pages of whining. O_o

If it keeps this up, the two-year wait for this game will be very painful! -_-

[Oberael]

Wow ... it's been only one day since the game was announced, and already we have over seventy pages of whining. O_o

If it keeps this up, the two-year wait for this game will be very painful! -_-

You could always jump ship to the Irrational Games forums. A lot of the people here are misguided 2K zealots and see this new project as an affront to the franchise.

[Big Bad Sister]

You could always jump ship to the Irrational Games forums. A lot of the people here are misguided 2K zealots and see this new project as an affront to the franchise.Perhaps, but an equal lot of the people here are awesome forum members, and I don't wish to leave them! :p

I'm just surprised that there's so much complaining about this game when we know practically nothing about it! O_o

[Inhale/exhale]

So... I am at work today, a co-worker who knows I am Bioshock nerd comes up and tells me they have announced bioshock 3 today. I knew about the Icarus website, but I completely spaced that there was going to be an announcement today. So I ask him what the announcement was, and he said, not much, there's a trailer and it takes place in Columbia.

I think... ok. Kind of expected some part of the game to be topside this time, Colombia in the 70's, organization of the cocaine cartels- that has economic and libertarian implications, probably some Jobim/Brazilian jazz... alright. i'm intrigued.

I get home and watch the trailer: my thought process:

"Why are there US flags in Columbia? zeppelins? Steampunk? This is not the 1970s. this is... what? late 19th, early 20th century? Jules Verne. Ragtime. Titanic. Boater hats. Early 20th century is really going to limit the music choices- folk music? Is that romantic era classical? religious hymns? uh... barbershop quartet? hmm. Did that say '1893 worlds fair'? The Devil in the White City? There was a big daddy doll in the fish tank, that doesn't make sense if this is a prequel. Can't really incorporate Ayn Rand at that point, pre-Russian revolution, bolsheviks? Lenin? Are we Roosevelt or Wilson here? Softly with a big stick. Trust busting? The Jungle WWI. Mustard gas. Knocked out of a window by a daddy-ish robot... flower levitation? Hindenberg?"

I am confused.:confused:

the big questions: is this a prequel? totally new game? do the story lines connect? why "infinite"? or if this is a new game, why "Bioshock"?

There's not enough info here to get too excited.
Underwhelmed might be a better way to put it.
Too soon to tell. Maybe they should have waited to make the announcement.

[SyntaxError]

Perhaps, but an equal lot of the people here are awesome forum members, and I don't wish to leave them! :p

I'm just surprised that there's so much complaining about this game when we know practically nothing about it! O_oWe all just very over protective about BioShock I suppose. Anything that doesn't sound like good ol' BioShock and we freak out.:p

@Inhale/Exhale: Well if you consider BS:I part of the BioShock saga then yes it will be a prequel cause it takes place in 1912 it just doesn't have anything to do with Rapture but Ken says there will be some stuff in-game to make us "question" things possibly about BioShock 1 or 2 (not sure about 2 since he didn't make it). So really BioShock Infinite is just BioShock set somewhere else.

For those wanting Raptures final chapter, it will come.......... some day.

P.S My final take on BioShock Infinite? It will be great!

[z00t]

What about Stratoshock? lol:D

This is awesome!



Wow ... it's been only one day since the game was announced, and already we have over seventy pages of whining. O_o


It's only like 80% whining! I'm pretty sure there's at least a good 20% of us who are: "YEAAAH! THIS IS AWESOME!" Myself included, I might add!

[Big Bad Sister]

Will the plot of BioShock Infinite be the one that was originally planned for BioShock?

[SyntaxError]

Will the plot of BioShock Infinite be the one that was originally planned for BioShock?lol you mean the plot of Nazis and an island?

[Big Bad Sister]

lol you mean the plot of Nazis and an island?Yes, though not exactly, of course.

[Ryan's number 1 fan]

I watched that trailer and it's rised my hopes a little though it's still not a true bioshock game it looks like it could still be really good.

[Nyokou]

I think the game is going to be really successful. It's definitely going to pull in a whole new crowd... a whole new fanbase. It may or may not be true but I just have that feeling. My friend sent me the text yesterday to check IGN and she sounded really excited about this game which is weird cause she had been constantly criticizing Bioshock 2 all throughout our senior year... Cause I wouldn't shut up about it. However, she was the one that introduced me to Bioshock 1 back in our freshman year so I knew she liked the original.

This game is reeling in a lot of the fans that were disappointed with Bioshock 2, in my opinion. Am I right? I loved Bioshock 2 but Bioshock: Infinite just sounds pretty awesome. Rapture is just over, ya know? Just is... There's no need to beat a dead horse. Sure, I would have loved some of my all-time favorite video games, t.v. shows, anime, or movies to have continued but what's done is done. If the creators of a story tell you it's over, then it's over. Personally, I don't see a return to Rapture if 2K does Bioshock 3 but I could be wrong.

[Big Bad Sister]

I'd like one more game to be set in Rapture, but there should be no more sequels after that. 2K can make spin-offs (like this one) if they want to milk the franchise for profit.

[z00t]

So what about them big enforcer dudes, eh?

Let's call them.....Heart Breakers! Because they have their heart on display, and also because anime has taught us that stuff with the word 'breaker' in their names are cool!

So, what's the deal with the Heart Breakers? There has to be a disturbing reason why their heart is in plain view.

It must either be some kind of twisted reward (people with a pure heart transcending their physical body), or more plausibly - punishment. Maybe 'anarchists' are forced to become a Heart Breaker, and their hearts are put on display for all to see as a warning to those who might try to fight the system! What could be more demoralising than seeing those who tried to oppose the system being forced to serve it?

But then, they kinda did that in the first Bioshock, too :P.

[Ryan's number 1 fan]

So what about them big enforcer dudes, eh?

Let's call them.....Heart Breakers! Because they have their heart on display, and also because anime has taught us that stuff with the word 'breaker' in their names are cool!

So, what's the deal with the Heart Breakers? There has to be a disturbing reason why their heart is in plain view.

It must either be some kind of twisted reward (people with a pure heart transcending their physical body), or more plausibly - punishment. Maybe undesirables are forced to become a Heart Breaker, and their hearts are put on display for all to see as a warning to those who might try to fight the system!

You my friend are brilliant

[Gin Ichimaru]

they maby the Infinte version of a big daddy but heart breackers sounds cool

[z00t]

You my friend are brilliant

That is kind of you to say!

However, you have gone and quoted me and I went to edit my post! Now my original post shall be recorded FOR ALL TIME and for all to see!

I basically, changed 'undesirables' to 'anarchists', since the latter seems to be Columbia's version of 'parasite' ;).

[Big Bad Sister]

So, what's the deal with the Heart Breakers? There has to be a disturbing reason why their heart is in plain view.Heart Breakers are really human beings who have been moved into life support suits before death, and are effectively immortal! :eek: The citizens of Columbia allowed themselves to be corrupted by dreams of achieving immortality, and the Heart Breakers are the consequence (along with the ruined city itself :rolleyes: ;))! :D

[ZKilla]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but if you pause at about 1:34 into the video there's a man infront of a gramophone (or whatever you want to call it) and he looks a hell of alot like andrew ryan. Considering the fact that this is a prequel to both bioshock games (set in 1912) this could be possible and it could be how the stories of Bioshock 1 and 2 tie into this game. Just a thought though.

[Gin Ichimaru]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet, but if you pause at about 1:34 into the video there's a man infront of a gramophone (or whatever you want to call it) and he looks a hell of alot like andrew ryan. Considering the fact that this is a prequel to both bioshock games (set in 1912) this could be possible and it could be how the stories of Bioshock 1 and 2 tie into this game. Just a thought though.

i think it might end with somthing like The city blows up and the last seen is Andrew Ryan over the crash site maby?

[Ryan's number 1 fan]

That is kind of you to say!

However, you have gone and quoted me and I went to edit my post! Now my original post shall be recorded FOR ALL TIME and for all to see!

I basically, changed 'undesirables' to 'anarchists', since the latter seems to be Columbia's version of 'parasite' ;).

Hehe:D ....

[conantheking]

I'm worried actually.

Because Bioshock isn't the spiritual successor to System Shock that Ken claimed it would be. It was a good game, but didn't have that level of freedom as in System Shock 2. He knows how to lie and turn chicken spit into chicken salad.

With him back on, every single thing he says I take with a grain of salt. Infact, Bioshock 2 was closer to what Bioshock was meant to be and gameplay wise was superior.

But I have no doubt that the atmosphere, environment and story will be awesome.

[Big Bad Sister]

I'm worried actually.

Because Bioshock isn't the spiritual successor to System Shock that Ken claimed it would be. It was a good game, but didn't have that level of freedom as in System Shock 2. He knows how to lie and turn chicken spit into chicken salad."Freedom?" What do you mean by "freedom?" :confused:

[Shades]

Hope to see some more information on it soon.

[z00t]

Does anybody have any press reviews of the Infinite game demo that was shown?

I'm trying to find a better description of what the Heart Breakers looked like. The only one I could find was from Joystiq:

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/08/12/bioshock-infinite-preview/


But now, whatever that thing with the giant hands and the floating heart that we saw in the trailer is – which Levine told us wasn't what we thought it was – is back. You can see it has a face – complete with old-timey hair parted right down the middle.

But that's about it! More detail, in lieu of a clear full-body shot of the creature, would be nice!

[Eloeo]

HOLY SH*T!

After about 4 months since i last logged in to forums,finally there is something to talk about.

[conantheking]

"Freedom?" What do you mean by "freedom?" :confused:

As in how you played and tackled the situations within the game. These plasmids were just like having additional magical guns and the hacking was limited.

Bioshock 2 greatly expanded on the freedom of how you played the game and tackled situations although I would say Deus Ex has always done this best.

[Gin Ichimaru]

one question that will turn this to an 4 stare game is the vita chambers coming back

[Big Bad Sister]

I hope that Irrational gets rid of the Vita-Chambers. -_-

[Gin Ichimaru]

yea so we can get america chambers:rolleyes: