PS3 Demo/Game Issues

[McGee]

Been said around, don't really remember where I found it but I'll try and look around, anyone who knows where it is mind linking it here also.

how many other things were dumbed, or taken out of them demo? Or is that basically it^

[Vulcanproject]

Graphical 'discrepancies' between versions are often reasonably acceptable as long as the game runs well enough on all platforms. Some may have gripes with grass missing, or blood, or rubbish or whatever between versions. Developers can dismiss these because they are not essential to the experience, many would probably laugh at people that claimed it would make a big difference to them.

HOWEVER. Tearing and framerate are a valid complaint from the community. When a problem that exists to seriously affect how a game runs to the point it cant even sustain the absolute, rock bottom, bare minimum 25 frames a second then this complaint has to be conveyed to the developers.

If the retail version for PS3 still has these performance issues, then the outcry will be warranted.

Unfortunately despite not a line of code being written on the game by you Elizabeth, you will be the one who will get full force from the community. I hope you can convey this tactfully to the people who are actually responsible....

[Bobsynergy]

how many other things were dumbed, or taken out of them demo? Or is that basically it^

Well if you mean gameplay features then I think that is only it, don't know about any others. Some say that cops will pull you over in the full game if you go through a red light but this isn't confirmed. But for other things, there is the giant amount of guns you can't get in the demo, ummm I think it has been confirmed you can put dead bodys in trunks in the full game.

[2K Elizabeth]

but what about the terrible jaggies, or bad screen tearing? What about the frame rate?

Also, in the final version when you point a gun towards a pedestrian, are they going to react? Or are they going to stop, and just stare at you like a zombie? :confused:

I have a thread with these questions in it - I've actually answered quite a few already. This is for technical issues so please post only those here.

I've reported what people have told me about tearing or jagged images - they are looking in to these.

[KatyushaRockets]

I've reported what people have told me about tearing or jagged images - they are looking in to these.

Is it likely that you'll receive a response prior to the release of the game?

Thanks,
MKS.

[2K Elizabeth]

Is it likely that you'll receive a response prior to the release of the game?

Thanks,
MKS.

I'm sorry if I sound like I'm repeating myself (and not making myself clear) - you shouldn't expect a big difference between the demo and the full game. If there are bugs, likely the team will fix them but as I'm not a programmer, I can't promise that on their behalf until I know for certain.

If you guys are encountering really big freezing problems or other tech issues, you should write me or the support team. The game is definitely not unplayable which I've heard from some folks.

[City 17]

I hope you get answers for a fix soon, how often are you able to speak to the devs? I don't know if this has been asked but does the 360 version have cloth physics or is it like the ps3 version where everything looks stuck to the character?

and am I crazy or should the map say "showing" not "shewing"


http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6981/img2151c.jpg

[2K Elizabeth]

I hope you get answers for a fix soon, how often are you able to speak to the devs? I don't know if this has been asked but does the 360 version have cloth physics or is it like the ps3 version where everything looks stuck to the character?

and am I crazy or should the map say "showing" not "shewing"


http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6981/img2151c.jpg


This is actually a period authentic usage of the word "shewing." It's not a typo.

[KatyushaRockets]

If you guys are encountering really big freezing problems or other tech issues, you should write me or the support team. The game is definitely not unplayable which I've heard from some folks.

Well the game isn't "unplayable," I've wasted a few hours running around and killing policemen,
but the overall look suffers from what I assume is the lack of anti-aliasing and overall the look just feels jagged.

As for you sounding repetitive, I know you can't really address issues to the fullest extent but at least you're trying. Other publisher forums, such as EA, rarely respond at all whereas 2k forums have those who respond within the same day.

[Vulcanproject]

If you guys are encountering really big freezing problems or other tech issues, you should write me or the support team. The game is definitely not unplayable which I've heard from some folks.

Depends what your definition of unplayable is versus someone else's i suppose. If you dont mind playing games with very slow sustained framerates below what is generally accepted as smooth motion to the human eye then i guess yes, thats not technically 'unplayable'.

However if you went to see a film with 4 or 5 of its frames missing every second you might also say its not unwatchable but it certainly isnt acceptable for most people either.

Given the choice i think most people pay for 24 frames in their movies and also at least as much in their games. Shortchanged is the word i would use if they get less

[2K Elizabeth]

Well the game isn't "unplayable," I've wasted a few hours running around and killing policemen,
but the overall look suffers from what I assume is the lack of anti-aliasing and overall the look just feels jagged.

As for you sounding repetitive, I know you can't really address issues to the fullest extent but at least you're trying. Other publisher forums, such as EA, rarely respond at all whereas 2k forums have those who respond within the same day.

I have a whole bunch of questions that I need to write up answers for you guys, too - I just need to learn how to clone myself, so if you see me absent for a while, just know I'm working on stuff for you. It's all Mafia II, all the time.

[JoePesci911]

Dude the 360 version looks much better! It has grass and not much screen tearing.

[Fitz010]

Dude the 360 version looks much better! It has grass and not much screen tearing.

I have both systems. The 360 still has horrible frame dips just like the ps3. They both have horrible or no AA. And the screen tearing is just annoying.

There is grass and blood, but other than that they're not too far apart.

[aaron08]

its so sad that the developers are to lazy to code and make the ps3 version the best it could be.imo there is no way the xbox version should look better,as you see how they made bio-shock 1 look better on ps3,i don't wanna hear there excuses.if blood and grass is left out then that is ok i guess but if the AI is as dumb in the demo as in full game i'm not sure what ill do cuz this is pathedic! thought about canceling who knows!

[Vulcanproject]

its so sad that the developers are to lazy to code and make the ps3 version the best it could be.imo there is no way the xbox version should look better,as you see how they made bio-shock 1 look better on ps3,i don't wanna hear there excuses.if blood and grass is left out then that is ok i guess but if the AI is as dumb in the demo as in full game i'm not sure what ill do cuz this is pathedic! thought about canceling who knows!

:confused: You was sure you were playing the PS3 version of bioshock right and not the PC one lol

[AubryStrawberry]

Too late now. We got let down i'm afraid, but it looks like we can't expect much more than slight adjustments... Shame. Really hope they understand their mistake here.

[AubryStrawberry]

:confused: You was sure you were playing the PS3 version of bioshock right and not the PC one lol

They upgraded the PS3 graphics with Bioshock, so it did in fact look better.. Or at least thats what i hear :s

[Vulcanproject]

They upgraded the PS3 graphics with Bioshock, so it did in fact look better.. Or at least thats what i hear :s

They didnt

[Caporegime]

They didnt

Maybe they should have hired the "focused group of experienced developers (http://www.massivebear.com/mbcompany.html)" at Massive Bear to "optimize" the PS3 code for that one too.

[PS3user]

If you're still buying, please don't.

Do not support lazy developers. They were so lazy that they decided to cut out grass, blood and motion blur instead of optimising the proper way.

[JohnnyBoy]

I played the demo on my friend's 360 and noticed a big difference from the ps3 demo.
For the ps3 there is no blood on the ground or on the walls and no bloody trail of footprints......only on 360 there is, is this some kind of joke?

I sure as hell aint gonna buy a 360 just for this, I own a ps3 so I'm just gonna rent it cause I am not paying $60 for a crap version of the game.

A mafia game without a bloody gunfight is fail in my opinion, I hope we can atleast get a patch to put in what is missing.

Thanks 2k for screwing the ps3 owners over, hope you 360 owners are happy!

[Caporegime]

I'm sorry if I sound like I'm repeating myself (and not making myself clear) - you shouldn't expect a big difference between the demo and the full game. If there are bugs, likely the team will fix them but as I'm not a programmer, I can't promise that on their behalf until I know for certain.

If you guys are encountering really big freezing problems or other tech issues, you should write me or the support team. The game is definitely not unplayable which I've heard from some folks.

No, the PS3 version is not unplayable, just inexcusable.

[Caporegime]

If you're still buying, please don't.

Do not support lazy developers. They were so lazy that they decided to cut out grass, blood and motion blur instead of optimising the proper way.

I agree. The only way the PS3 version can possibly be any worse is if the box the game comes in is packed with anthrax spores or explosives.

Then again, maybe I shouldn't give the folks at 2K any ideas. They've already expressed their utter contempt for the PS3 community with this third-rate piece of offal masquerading as an "optimized" PS3 game. They certainly don't need any help from me.

[2K Elizabeth]

Final warning: If your post isn't about something related to tech support, you will get banned for spammish posting.

Please keep this thread orderly.

[nenous2]

I agree. The only way the PS3 version can possibly be any worse is if the box the game comes in is packed with anthrax spores or explosives.

Then again, maybe I shouldn't give the folks at 2K any ideas. They've already expressed their utter contempt for the PS3 community with this third-rate piece of offal masquerading as an "optimized" PS3 game. They certainly don't need any help from me.

Go to playstation forums off topic

[aaron08]

yeah they did make bioshock look better on ps3,so it shows that mafia 2 could look just as good as x box i can understand the grass being left out as lots of games dont have 3d grass but leaving out blood and other needed things are you serious?this is on a ps3 it should look better than xbox if they were not so lazy and did there job right.you would think as many times as they have pused this game back they cold get all systems right,but yet again as i have said lazy lazy lazy.cuz all they want is money money money, and yet they pretend like they care about the customer

[Slih]

Has anyone noticed that the PS3 version is missing ambient occlusion and I think HDR lighting as well?

[nmycon]

thats been pointed out in some reviews... it's missing a LOT of things :p

[Vulcanproject]

yeah they did make bioshock look better on ps3

It was 680p on PS3. 720p on 360.


Has anyone noticed that the PS3 version is missing ambient occlusion and I think HDR lighting as well?

PS3 appears to have no SSAO. It can be moderately performance sapping, stealing maybe 5 frames on a PC with a low end gaming card like a 9600GT. Disabling it on PS3 will have obviously improved performance considerably. It does have some form of HDR though, you would notice if it didnt because the lighting model would look rather noticeably different

[im the don kind]

It was 680p on PS3. 720p on 360.



PS3 appears to have no SSAO. It can be moderately performance sapping, stealing maybe 5 frames on a PC with a low end gaming card like a 9600GT. Disabling it on PS3 will have obviously improved performance considerably. It does have some form of HDR though, you would notice if it didnt because the lighting model would look rather noticeably different

I have a question, I want your honest opinion:

Do you think the mafia 2 ps3 version is like how it is because of the developers or because of the ps3 hardware?

[aaron08]

I have a question, I want your honest opinion:

Do you think the mafia 2 ps3 version is like how it is because of the developers or because of the ps3 hardware?

im pretty sure its becaue the devs are to lazy do develpoe it right for ps3 so they just through it out half assed as pretty much most devs do but i had hope they would do it right this time for ps3 not sure why i though that.when you have games like unchareted 2 metal gear, heavy rain and they run right on ps3 and look better than other games then yeah its not the hardware its cuz devs are lazy pricks

EDIT: This isn't an on topic post and it's insulting to the devs on a level that isn't welcome on the forum. Warning - don't do this, or anything like it. You can express displeasure without being degrading.

[Slih]

I have a question, I want your honest opinion:

Do you think the mafia 2 ps3 version is like how it is because of the developers or because of the ps3 hardware?

Both, the PS3 is known to be tricky to code for, so that's why most multiplatform games look slightly worse on the PS3, most developers just aren't willing to invest extra resources and time just to get it right for the PS3. That's why the only games using the PS3's hardware properly are the exclusives, but that's because they are made by dedicated teams (most of them owned by sony) developing specifically for it.

[Vulcanproject]

I have a question, I want your honest opinion:

Do you think the mafia 2 ps3 version is like how it is because of the developers or because of the ps3 hardware?

Bit of both, plus a bunch of other factors. Fundamentally, the hardware is only capable of the highest performance in the correct hands. Sony designed the PS3, along with its development kits and related software with less regard for development teams than microsoft did with xbox 360. As a few developers (multiplatform ones) have said, 360's SDK is built by software developers for software developers and is fantastic to work with. You can bring the hate for microsoft but the truth is, they are a world class software company are they not? Thats what they DO. Sony are a world class hardware company- but creating a great development environment is part hardware, part software.....

Multiplatform dev teams that work on PS3 as well as other hardware have been aware for some time that if they do not invest heavily in PS3 then they are trying to match 360 performance, at best. Most have failed. Technical expertise on the level required to really take PS3 performance beyond the abilities of 360 is nearly all constrained to those inside sony studios and related teams that have been working on PS3 since before it was even launched, the teams that get all the SDK updates first, the teams that have direct access to the hard/software engineers that designed the thing. Maximum support from sony.

[dreamweaver]

I'd say a bit of both too, but weighted on the dev side. I mean the Xbox version suffers from similar poor framerates and tearing issues as the Ps3 one. If they were decent Devs, surely they could have got it running better on the console that is easier to code for?

[Vulcanproject]

I'd say a bit of both too, but weighted on the dev side. I mean the Xbox version suffers from similar poor framerates and tearing issues as the Ps3 one. If they were decent Devs, surely they could have got it running better on the console that is easier to code for?

This is true but to the extent that 360 has a whole bunch of extra features. Judging by the effect of SSAO on performance for PC and with other games, 2K could just turn that off on 360 and it would instantly give a pretty useful performance bump which would all but eliminate any framerate or tearing problems the 360 code suffers from.

The aim seems to have been to provide the user with the greatest possible graphical quality with bare minimum performance to be playable, which is surely the aim of all developers? It means you have extracted as much as you can get, any more and it wouldnt be playable.

It seems in this case, they have pushed it even a bit too much on 360. But someone somewhere in the development team maybe has a lower definition of what they deem acceptable performance and decided the features add more. Obviously a lot of people here would disagree with that decision.

[dreamweaver]

Yeah most people would take better overall performance, in exchange for the removal of what is poorly implemented SSAO, according to this tech analysis:

http://imagequalitymatters.blogspot.com/2010/08/tech-analysis-mafia-ii-demo-ps3-vs-360.html

[im the don kind]

Yeah most people would take better overall performance, in exchange for the removal of what is poorly implemented SSAO, according to this tech analysis:

http://imagequalitymatters.blogspot.com/2010/08/tech-analysis-mafia-ii-demo-ps3-vs-360.html

In those screenshots i actually think the ps3 version looks a little better, the 360 version seems too bright or something, it seems like theres mist around vito.

[Vulcanproject]

Yeah most people would take better overall performance, in exchange for the removal of what is poorly implemented SSAO, according to this tech analysis:

http://imagequalitymatters.blogspot.com/2010/08/tech-analysis-mafia-ii-demo-ps3-vs-360.html

As a pc gamer who is not obsessed with owning the latest hardware im exceptionally familiar with the choice and balance the user him/herself individually makes between performance and visual quality. Everytime i configure a PC game to run on my machine i do the job the guy(s) at 2K havent done all that well on xbox 360 (in my opinion)

If i could i would walk into the room and tell whoever it may concern with the 360 version to turn off SSAO right now and take the extra frames this would without doubt provide. The person(s) who decides that SSAO is better in the game than the extra performance would obviously disagree.

With the PS3 version (as this needs to be on topic!) then the guy(s) in charge there have preserved as much as they could possibly keep to allow PS3 the performance it currently has.

[dreamweaver]

We'll have to agree to disagree. As I've said before if a larger and more comlplex sandbox game like Red Dead can run perfectly well on Ps3 (and better on Xbox), then there is no technical (hardware) reason why Mafia 2, if developed properly shouldn't run equally as well on Ps3 & Xbox.

[im the don kind]

I too think that if the devs where taught well and knew what they where doing properly we could have seen the ps3 version do everything the 360 could.

[Dsmooth16]

I too think that if the devs where taught well and knew what they where doing properly we could have seen the ps3 version do everything the 360 could.

And MORE:D

[Vulcanproject]

We'll have to agree to disagree. As I've said before if a larger and more comlplex sandbox game like Red Dead can run perfectly well on Ps3 (and better on Xbox), then there is no technical (hardware) reason why Mafia 2, if developed properly shouldn't run equally as well on Ps3 & Xbox.

Not sure what you are disagreeing with but still....you said yourself that the RDR versions are also inequal. 360 has itself a resolution advantage that translates to around 15 percent more pixels, along with a few other minor assets, performance too favours 360.

The difference being arguably rockstar balanced the PS3 version's trade offs better. The main method of course being lopping off a bunch of pixels.

[btar93]

I think its a joke tbh, i mean as a guy said before. This game is single player only.. they delayed it already and they put a halfassed attempt on the ps3 version, why? The ps3 can do it, it has.. with games like killzone and uncharted, GT5. If the 360 can do it ps3 could ten times over. Yet another company, doesnt understand the ps3 and its potential, im glad EA has at least partnered with sony, getting us exclusive content, thanks to them. I think im just gonna rent this game at best, single player only, and even ****tier on the ps3, thats just adding insult to injury. I dont care about, processors and cores to all your guys that are gonna post that. I care about what i see, which is great, but as usual, could be better..

oh and to all the 360 guys saying we couldnt handle it.. Take a look at GTA4, the game everybody is comparing this to. They had to shrink the city because your console couldnt handle the 4-6 disc job.

I dont wanna hate, but as a ps3 owner im fed up of being let down. Just because companies are taking handouts from microsoft all the time. lol.. bit like the mafia.

Bring on ps4,

[Bobsynergy]

I think its a joke tbh, i mean as a guy said before. This game is single player only.. they delayed it already and they put a halfassed attempt on the ps3 version, why? The ps3 can do it, it has.. with games like killzone and uncharted, GT5. If the 360 can do it ps3 could ten times over. Yet another company, doesnt understand the ps3 and its potential, im glad EA has at least partnered with sony, getting us exclusive content, thanks to them. I think im just gonna rent this game at best, single player only, and even ****tier on the ps3, thats just adding insult to injury. I dont care about, processors and cores to all your guys that are gonna post that. I care about what i see, which is great, but as usual, could be better..

oh and to all the 360 guys saying we couldnt handle it.. Take a look at GTA4, the game everybody is comparing this to. They had to shrink the city because your console couldnt handle the 4-6 disc job.

I dont wanna hate, but as a ps3 owner im fed up of being let down. Just because companies are taking handouts from microsoft all the time. lol.. bit like the mafia.

Bring on ps4,

One of your reasons for renting it is just because it is single player only...... not every damn game has to have multiplayer, it only looks bad on your part.

[R.J]

I know what your going to say hes crazy but i have both the ps3 and xbox but believe it or not im getting it for ps3 i dont care about grass or blood plus you get the free dlc and i also prefer the lighting on the ps3 version theres just something i like about it its just my style :D ;)

[Alakabam]

I know what your going to say hes crazy but i have both the ps3 and xbox but believe it or not im getting it for ps3 i dont care about grass or blood plus you get the free dlc and i also prefer the lighting on the ps3 version theres just something i like about it its just my style :D ;)

yeah same here. Besides i don't have any other choice since PS3 is my main choice for gaming, plus I'm only paying for the pre-order which is 5 bucks thats it. I don't care about all that stuff either, I'm just hoping the final game will get rid of the jaggies, screen tearing issues and frame rate problems. Otherwise I'm fine with it.

But I am disappointed that 2K went this low on the PS3 version. It makes them look unprofessional and just plain lazy.

[Mortilla]

But I am disappointed that 2K went this low on the PS3 version. It makes them look unprofessional and just plain lazy.

Yup... It's sad really. I just can't see how the game could possibly be worth the 120 dollars... (Was going for the Collector's-Edition.) :(

And no, as far as I know. They WON'T. The Demo represents the final release of the PS3 version.

[Spiral Static]

Yup... It's sad really. I just can't see how the game could possibly be worth the 120 dollars... (Was going for the Collector's-Edition.) :(

And no, as far as I know. They WON'T. The Demo represents the final release of the PS3 version.

120 dollars!! Whoever you were gonna buy that from is ripping you off!!

[JohnnyBoy]

Anyone know if the full version for ps3 will have blood pools like the 360 does with the foot print trails when you walk over the blood and stuff?

Please dont take that away from us ps3 owners, even the first mafia game had blood pools.

I could care less about the grass, atleast give us blood!

Heres a link below that I found on gamespot that shows a picture of the ps3 version which shows some blood pool under a corpse, so does this mean it will be in the full version or is this only for 360 and they just made us think its a ps3 screenshot?

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/mafia2/images/0/6/?tag=imagenav%3Bnext

[AvanGard]

Anyone know if the full version for ps3 will have blood pools like the 360 does with the foot print trails when you walk over the blood and stuff?

Please dont take that away from us ps3 owners, even the first mafia game had blood pools.

I could care less about the grass, atleast give us blood!

Heres a link below that I found on gamespot that shows a picture of the ps3 version which shows some blood pool under a corpse, so does this mean it will be in the full version or is this only for 360 and they just made us think its a ps3 screenshot?

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/mafia2/images/0/6/?tag=imagenav%3Bnext

No and no. Pictures are fake or as 2k like to describe them an earlier build of the ps3 version which had very poor performance.

[JohnnyBoy]

No and no. Pictures are fake or as 2k like to describe them an earlier build of the ps3 version which had very poor performance.

But that screenshot was posted this month, how could it be an earlier build?
And Gamespot posted those screenshots on thier site so how can it be fake, cant gamespot get in trouble for false advertising?

[Lord Gremlin]

But that screenshot was posted this month, how could it be an earlier build?
And Gamespot posted those screenshots on thier site so how can it be fake, cant gamespot get in trouble for false advertising?
Community manager here confirmed that those are from early build and final version won't have any grass or blood. I'm not sure about false advertising... Well, screens ARE different from final product in obvious parts...

[Mossypne]

2k provided them with those pictures so basically we could get 2k done for falsely advertising the product as being better than it actually is.

[Vulcanproject]

2k provided them with those pictures so basically we could get 2k done for falsely advertising the product as being better than it actually is.

Not really. They are all pre releease pictures and 2K will obviously say that as such they dont represent the exact final product but work in progress.

The word again is representative. Not exactly the same.

[Slih]

Game developers always release pimped out images with insane amounts of anti aliasing and effects that don't make it into the full game so why is it strange to you?

[JohnnyBoy]

Game developers always release pimped out images with insane amounts of anti aliasing and effects that don't make it into the full game so why is it strange to you?

For them to remove the blood on only ps3 is strange to me, and the only time Ive ever seen something like that happen to a game is when mortal kombat came out and only had blood on genesis but not super nintendo.
They better atleast patch the ps3, Im not paying full price for an unpolished version of the game when 360 gets the better version.

[Tomasz]

How do you think? Will 2K give us a patch that will lead to the PS3 version to normal?
For example, one month after release ?

[Piotrov121]

Think of it this way.. This is only a demo and look at what its missing just to make the Demo run equaly to the 360..

Now think of the full game with more fetures and thing happening on screen...
No doubt that there will be more things cut from the final game on the PS3 compared to the 360.

[Caporegime]

How do you think? Will 2K give us a patch that will lead to the PS3 version to normal?
For example, one month after release ?

They might be able to fine tune & enhance performance & reduce problems like screen tearing to at least 360 levels (which is still unacceptably bad). However, apart from that, I can't really see them adding anything new without greatly compromising the already lackluster performance of the game even further.

I suspect that the game engine 2k allegedly "built from the ground up" for the PS3 would have to be entirely redesigned to incorporate all of the visuals that are now currently & conspicuously missing. Hopefully that's not the case, but we'll just have to wait & see.

[Mortilla]

120 dollars!! Whoever you were gonna buy that from is ripping you off!!

I pre-ordered it from Game... For a collector's Edition, it's kinda a good price. I won't be getting it though, so it doesn't really bother me. :(

[BigMoab]

I think in order to fix these problems we should get some proper experienced coders and developers in straight from Sony to attempt to fix this in a patch. Atleast then we have people who know what there doing and will fix the vast majority of it lol. Never go back to Massive Bear or whatever there called, disgrace.

[Caporegime]

I think in order to fix these problems we should get some proper experienced coders and developers in straight from Sony to attempt to fix this in a patch. Atleast then we have people who know what there doing and will fix the vast majority of it lol. Never go back to Massive Bear or whatever there called, disgrace.

Yeah, if 2k had done that right off the bat, this thread wouldn't even exist. We'd all be in the General Discussion forum right now talking about how cool Mafia 2 is & and how we can't wait to play the full game, just like everyone was doing prior to the demo's release.

[BigMoab]

Yeah, if 2k had done that right off the bat, this thread wouldn't even exist. We'd all be in the General Discussion forum right now talking about how cool Mafia 2 is & and how we can't wait to play the full game, just like everyone was doing prior to the demo's release.

Indeed, its such a shame really because now some/most PS3 owners wont be buying Mafia 2 so there going to be losing sales unless they announce a working patch to fix the problems they created.

[Fitz010]

Indeed, its such a shame really because now some/most PS3 owners wont be buying Mafia 2 so there going to be losing sales unless they announce a working patch to fix the problems they created.

I'm in this boat. I canceled my pre-order. I will be renting the game, but I just don't feel like spending $60 on an blatantly inferior version.

[netmonster]

Indeed, its such a shame really because now some/most PS3 owners wont be buying Mafia 2 so there going to be losing sales unless they announce a working patch to fix the problems they created.

They'll have predicted there sales already - the people who don't visit gaming sites / forums are the ones who'll bring them the money - they really don't give a toss about the handful of hardcore gaming-site orientated people like me.

[Piotrov121]

^^^ Indeed, Big companies like this they do the math beforehand and calculate their loss to their profit.. Thus they will still come out on top.
Maybe not as much as they have hoped but still with profit.

[KatyushaRockets]

I'm in this boat. I canceled my pre-order. I will be renting the game, but I just don't feel like spending $60 on an blatantly inferior version.

It's more a last minute thing for me, Elizabeth said she would try to get some questions answered so I'm essentially waiting until the 23rd. If there is no answer or an answer that promotes that the demo is basically the final product (GRAPHICALLY) then I'm just going to rent the game.

[Grimgard]

I give up, it's like trying to change the oil companies to make Ethenanol instead of Gasoline, it's a great idea, would save money, cleaner air, cheaper for the consumer, put money in the pockets of Americans, but it will never work and you know why? GREED! it's the same with everything in our world and yes even gaming. Money is the allmighty and the consumer gets the shaft.

[Entropy]

I give up, it's like trying to change the oil companies to make Ethenanol instead of Gasoline, it's a great idea, would save money, cleaner air, cheaper for the consumer, put money in the pockets of Americans, but it will never work and you know why? GREED! it's the same with everything in our world and yes even gaming. Money is the allmighty and the consumer gets the shaft.

Welcome to humankind

[WillC009]

Just cancel your pre-order. I cancelled my PS3 pre-order for the game earlier today. Sad part is I put in my pre-order back in february of 2008. In the end I wont even end up getting this game. No way I will shell out 60 bucks + tax for laughable PS3 version of the game. I've already said it and I say it again. Wont be buying any 2K products again.

[Lord Gremlin]

Just cancel your pre-order. I cancelled my PS3 pre-order for the game earlier today. Sad part is I put in my pre-order back in february of 2008. In the end I wont even end up getting this game. No way I will shell out 60 bucks + tax for laughable PS3 version of the game. I've already said it and I say it again. Wont be buying any 2K products again.
Never say never. What if they release a beautiful PS3 exclusive one day?

[City 17]

If you think the PS3 version should be patched sign this petition to show 2k how many people want it. Sign the petition here (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/mafia2/)

[Grimgard]

For all the people who think the final game will be just fine wake up.

The AA is so bad I could never play it and is a bigger issue than the grass and blood pools. No to mention the bad frame rates and tearing. On a good note there is grass on the sidewalk.

http://www.angelfire.com/retro/zycore/mafia2gasp.gif

http://www.angelfire.com/retro/zycore/mafia2_jaggies.png

[PS3user]

That last pic has to be a low spec PC screenshot. My PS3 demo looks 10x beetter than that.

oh nvm, there isn't any grass

[Grimgard]

That last pic has to be a low spec PC screenshot. My PS3 demo looks 10x beetter than that.

oh nvm, there isn't any grass

What Size TV are you playing on because it makes all the difference on my 52" HD LCD it looks 10 times worse than that picture. The smaller the screen the less noticable the jaggies are the larger the screen the worse the jaggies are.

[KatyushaRockets]

What Size TV are you playing on because it makes all the difference on my 52" HD LCD it looks 10 times worse than that picture. The smaller the screen the less noticable the jaggies are.

Agreed,
I'm using a 32-inch Standard Def tv

[Vulcanproject]

What Size TV are you playing on because it makes all the difference on my 52" HD LCD it looks 10 times worse than that picture. The smaller the screen the less noticable the jaggies are the larger the screen the worse the jaggies are.

When i played the PS3 version the worst thing for me actual graphically wasnt so much the terrible aliasing but also the texture filtering on the road etc is so poor the texture basically turns into a grey mush ten yards in front of you

[PS3user]

What Size TV are you playing on because it makes all the difference on my 52" HD LCD it looks 10 times worse than that picture. The smaller the screen the less noticable the jaggies are the larger the screen the worse the jaggies are.



True. Using 21" HD gaming monitor atm. If it looks like that then wow. that is horrible.

[Daz1967]

http://www.angelfire.com/retro/zycore/mafia2_jaggies.png

Didn't know Mafia 2 was coming out for the Wii! :p

[BigMoab]

For all the people who think the final game will be just fine wake up.

The AA is so bad I could never play it and is a bigger issue than the grass and blood pools. No to mention the bad frame rates and tearing. On a good note there is grass on the sidewalk.

http://www.angelfire.com/retro/zycore/mafia2gasp.gif

http://www.angelfire.com/retro/zycore/mafia2_jaggies.png

My PS3 demo is no way as bad as that, im playing on a 32'' LCD HD, i do not have as much jaggerty edges as that. Ive recently played Mafia 2 on PC and realised that the grass isnt worth complaining about, the 3D grass isnt that good tbh. As for the Blood pool and footprints, that was good i liked that. I played Mafia 2 straight away without touching any settings and to me the graphics werent hugely better but just a little better. Now i dont really mind having it on PS3 at all even though i've got it pre-ordered on the PS3 already lol

[-Mr.Dissapear-]

Grass don't care me a lot, and above of all AA problems and terrible screen tearing, I JUST MISS A LOT Cloth PhysX!!!!!! Just take a look at this picture.

http://www.videogameszone.de/Mafia-2-PS3-206282/News/Mafia-2-Grafikvergleich-PlayStation-3-vs-Xbox-360-764654/galerie/1402235/?fullsize

I have to say i actually still buying the game, don't have a choice I guess, but I really want that some patch come out, just even for include cloth MOVEMENT!!

Common!! I don't ask so much, CLOTH PHYSX!!!

[1130211]

If anyone is up to it, there is a thread that has been started. It is to get a graphical patch for the PS3 version of Mafia II, to come into effect.

[Bobsynergy]

Jack Scalici talks about the frame rate problems http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grd4d3WUV1Q

[dreamweaver]

Jack Scalici talks about the frame rate problems http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grd4d3WUV1Q

Impressive gesticulation..... he must be talking about the PC version at the start.

[Bobsynergy]

Impressive gesticulation..... he must be talking about the PC version at the start.

I doubt it, others on this board and also I have not had any frame rate problems with the PS3 at all.

[KatyushaRockets]

I doubt it, others on this board and also I have not had any frame rate problems with the PS3 at all.

Agreed, the major problems were:
- lack of removal/reduction of certain graphical elements and horrible aliasing being the key issue with both consoles.

Personally,
I would love to bring a rep from 2k to my house and show them how horrible the demo looks and ask them whether or not the final product looks this bad.

I'm just really stressed out.
:'|

[dreamweaver]

I doubt it, others on this board and also I have not had any frame rate problems with the PS3 at all.

It does have a poor framerate according to this tech expert:
'In fact, the game regularly runs at between 20 to 25fps with drops venturing down to the 15fps mark in busy situations, and this causes no end of problems from erratic controller responsiveness, to an increase in noticeable jagged edges and aliasing artifacts. The additional controller lag when such constant drops in smoothness happen is what really impacts on the gameplay experience on offer here. I would even go as far as to say that it can make the game near unplayable at times, with your ability to accurately aim and take out the enemy being compromised continuously.'

this quote is from here http://imagequalitymatters.blogspot.com/2010/08/tech-analysis-mafia-ii-demo-ps3-vs-360.html
Though the awful jaggies bothered me a whole lot more.

[-Mr.Dissapear-]

Agreed, the major problems were:
- lack of removal/reduction of certain graphical elements and horrible aliasing being the key issue with both consoles.

Personally,
I would love to bring a rep from 2k to my house and show them how horrible the demo looks and ask them whether or not the final product looks this bad.

I'm just really stressed out.
:'|

No. The problem it's not that. the problem IT IS SO BAD, and maybe even worse and we don't know how worse (could be worse than this!?)

Now it's up to 2K games decide if they let it like shis SH.IT, or they gonna do something about...

And now I understood what they have did whit this game: The develop the Pc version and then contract some "optimizers" who cut graphical content in the console versions to make them run "better". That's an easy "money-maker" game!

If someone says me it's not a port then show me some real proffs, not only words of Jack, who says the console versions run identical, YEAH.... So Identical that we had a thread with 144 pages about how "great" the demo AND the final game ARE!!!!

[marchi]

If people bothered to look past the graphical errors 'that contrary to reports from Elizabeth, I see being cleaned up in the full title' the game is a great game. It has fantastic game play and a great story line. I've played for so many years that not having full lengthgrass or largepools of blood doesn't bother me. All I care about is a great frame rate and great story. Everything else comes second.

[KatyushaRockets]

'that contrary to reports from Elizabeth, I see being cleaned up in the full title'

Where's this from?

[2K Elizabeth]

Where's this from?

I'm not sure where that quote is from or else I'd be able to help you out there - but I wanted to make clear that the "jaggies" and the framerate drops people are reporting have already been sent over to the dev team a while ago.

[KatyushaRockets]

I'm not sure where that quote is from or else I'd be able to help you out there - but I wanted to make clear that the "jaggies" and the framerate drops people are reporting have already been sent over to the dev team a while ago.

=3=
phew..

Now it's just a waiting game.

[1130211]

No. The problem it's not that. the problem IT IS SO BAD, and maybe even worse and we don't know how worse (could be worse than this!?)

Now it's up to 2K games decide if they let it like shis SH.IT, or they gonna do something about...

And now I understood what they have did whit this game: The develop the Pc version and then contract some "optimizers" who cut graphical content in the console versions to make them run "better". That's an easy "money-maker" game!

If someone says me it's not a port then show me some real proffs, not only words of Jack, who says the console versions run identical, YEAH.... So Identical that we had a thread with 144 pages about how "great" the demo AND the final game ARE!!!!

the devs aren't gonna do anything. They've been denying all these problems since day 1 of the demo's release. Even though tons and tons of people have been noticing these problems.

[1130211]

=3=
phew..

Now it's just a waiting game.

more like the praying game

yes I know, bad pun

[-Mr.Dissapear-]

I'm not sure where that quote is from or else I'd be able to help you out there - but I wanted to make clear that the "jaggies" and the framerate drops people are reporting have already been sent over to the dev team a while ago.

Thanks liz,

I just pray that devs do ANYTHING to solve this misery.

I had to ask a question for the devs: I just wonna know if there is a way to include cloth PhysX to Ps3 version (the rest of graphical stuff either...) I just don't wonna play a entire game like this picture:

http://www.videogameszone.de/Mafia-2-PS3-206282/News/Mafia-2-Grafikvergleich-PlayStation-3-vs-Xbox-360-764654/galerie/1402235/?fullsize

Thanks, again!

[coiken]

Didn't know Mafia 2 was coming out for the Wii! :p

LOL, well actually not so lol... this is exactly what I see with the xbox version of the demo at my 50' plasma screen :(
That is why I think the grass and blood pools are less important then the lack of AA

[marchi]

Where's this from?

Elizabeth made comment that hat we see in the Demo is effectively what we'll get in the final game, but I'm not really buying that given no reviewer has picked up on it in the final game. Added to that their statements that they both look fantastic side by side.

When you compress files quality will be reduced. Sand Island is about 1/8th of the Island right?? 50gb divided by 8 is 6.25 gb. To compress that file to 1gb will affect the quality of the game enormously.

[-Mr.Dissapear-]

Elizabeth made comment that hat we see in the Demo is effectively what we'll get in the final game, but I'm not really buying that given no reviewer has picked up on it in the final game. Added to that their statements that they both look fantastic side by side.

When you compress files quality will be reduced. Sand Island is about 1/8th of the Island right?? 50gb divided by 8 is 6.25 gb. To compress that file to 1gb will affect the quality of the game enormously.

You are to much optimist I think.

You may should see how bad the demo is and accept that the game WILL BE THE SAME CRAP, unless they patch it, that what we realistics HOPE SO.

[M413FIK_E]

Thanks liz,

I just pray that devs do ANYTHING to solve this misery.

I had to ask a question for the devs: I just wonna know if there is a way to include cloth PhysX to Ps3 version (the rest of graphical stuff either...) I just don't wonna play a entire game like this picture:

http://www.videogameszone.de/Mafia-2-PS3-206282/News/Mafia-2-Grafikvergleich-PlayStation-3-vs-Xbox-360-764654/galerie/1402235/?fullsize

Thanks, again!

Ouch I see that pic on the PS3 side and I can see the coat sticking to his legs and on the Xbox the coat looks more relaxed and fluid. That is irritating me for some reason.

[marchi]

You are to much optimist I think.

You may should see how bad the demo is and accept that the game WILL BE THE SAME CRAP, unless they patch it, that what we realistics HOPE SO.

I'm sorry but by using any kind of logic, how can anybody "accept" that the full game will be no different when the demo is atleast a 3 month old build, and that its not being compressed to reduce download size...

If people on this forum stfu and acted in an civilized fashion alot of answers would be given. Its not by coincidence that since the forums has been overrun the developers have backed away. How can anybody find a legitimate question through the piles of crap.

[fLat-]

Thanks liz,

I just pray that devs do ANYTHING to solve this misery.

I had to ask a question for the devs: I just wonna know if there is a way to include cloth PhysX to Ps3 version (the rest of graphical stuff either...) I just don't wonna play a entire game like this picture:

http://www.videogameszone.de/Mafia-2-PS3-206282/News/Mafia-2-Grafikvergleich-PlayStation-3-vs-Xbox-360-764654/galerie/1402235/?fullsize

Thanks, again!

Wow, I mean really, WOW. Subtitles are the same, so it means that both screen shots are made at the same time and they are the same, but why the hell there are 2 cars missing on PS3 screenshot?!

[M413FIK_E]

I am just going to buy an Xbox so I can just buy multiplat games for it and keep my PS3 for exclusives only. I will just cancel my preorder and buy a Xbox with Mafia 2 alongside it.:rolleyes:

[PS3user]

Wow, I mean really, WOW. Subtitles are the same, so it means that both screen shots are made at the same time and they are the same, but why the hell there are 2 cars missing on PS3 screenshot?!

Cutscenes are real time. Everyone's cutscenes will be a bit different.

[-Mr.Dissapear-]

I'm sorry but by using any kind of logic, how can anybody "accept" that the full game will be no different when the demo is atleast a 3 month old build, and that its not being compressed to reduce download size...

If people on this forum stfu and acted in an civilized fashion alot of answers would be given. Its not by coincidence that since the forums has been overrun the developers have backed away. How can anybody find a legitimate question through the piles of crap.


Maybe you just have to check this and prepare your-selve for the dissapointment you gonna have after buy this game:

http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1012515&postcount=541

[fLat-]

I just don't get it. Are they trying to convince us that XBOX is better. I mean PS3 is 10 times more powerful then XBOX, and it can't have more detailed grass and blood like XBOX and PC??? I mean seriously, grass and blood, ps3 can't handle?! Then why XBOX can?! It doesn't make any sense! Is this some microsoft trick or what? We want the truth!

[KatyushaRockets]

I just don't get it. Are they trying to convince us that XBOX is better. I mean PS3 is 10 times more powerful then XBOX, and it can't have more detailed grass and blood like XBOX and PC??? I mean seriously, grass and blood, ps3 can't handle?! Then why XBOX can?! It doesn't make any sense! Is this some microsoft trick or what? We want the truth!

It's coding; there's a higher learning curve to code on the PS3.

[Entropy]

I just don't get it. Are they trying to convince us that XBOX is better. I mean PS3 is 10 times more powerful then XBOX, and it can't have more detailed grass and blood like XBOX and PC??? I mean seriously, grass and blood, ps3 can't handle?! Then why XBOX can?! It doesn't make any sense! Is this some microsoft trick or what? We want the truth!


simply because they dont know anything about asymmetrical coding.

[fLat-]

It's coding; there's a higher learning curve to code on the PS3.

So instead of lieing us "Our aim is to make a cohesive and immersive experience and optimize the game for each platform so that it could run its best." they should say: "We don't know how to code more grass and blood on PS3, so stop crying and asking to make a path". Then it would make sense.

[morgan]

i would be interested to know what sony thought about this as it makes there console look bad like its not powerfull enough, and with the amount of effort and money theyve put into making games like gran turismo 5 wich looks like nothing like anything ive ever seen, just amazing, im sure they wouldnt be happy with them, i havent played the demo but have both consoles luckily so ill get the 360 one for sure, i think the cloth physics is the worst thing, grass not that bothered, but blood should be there

[Entropy]

i would be interested to know what sony thought about this as it makes there console look bad like its not powerfull enough, and with the amount of effort and money theyve put into making games like gran turismo 5 wich looks like nothing like anything ive ever seen, just amazing, im sure they wouldnt be happy with them, i havent played the demo but have both consoles luckily so ill get the 360 one for sure, i think the cloth physics is the worst thing, grass not that bothered, but blood should be there


Its an old story. I have read somewhere that Sony have become aware of some developers being completely incompetent with this type of coding. Even with the support of extra tools and technology we still get this problem. Sony will invest even more time into learning people this and even make some changes to the PS4 which will become an absolute monster btw, so we wont have to worry about so simple things lacking.

[roadkill101]

Don't know if anyone has seen this but thought I would give you this link :

http://cnettv.cnet.com/live/pregame/?tag=mncol;txt

I know I'm in the wrong section because we are talking about the ps3 version of mafia 2 but throught it will give you some idea how the game will play. I think this is the final retail version on the xbox 360. Fast forward to 16 min mark, it's live streaming.

[-Mr.Dissapear-]

I just don't get it. Are they trying to convince us that XBOX is better. I mean PS3 is 10 times more powerful then XBOX, and it can't have more detailed grass and blood like XBOX and PC??? I mean seriously, grass and blood, ps3 can't handle?! Then why XBOX can?! It doesn't make any sense! Is this some microsoft trick or what? We want the truth!

I'm not a programmer, not yet. But I know that ps3 sistem is made to be more difficult to programm but if it took time, the results are VERY MUCH BETTER THAN others like Xbox or some Pcs.

But I think 2K finished the pc version and then "optimezed" that version to make run in consoles.(cutting all graphical elements out of the game)

[morgan]

Its an old story. I have read somewhere that Sony have become aware of some developers being completely incompetent with this type of coding. Even with the support of extra tools and technology we still get this problem. Sony will invest even more time into learning people this and even make some changes to the PS4 which will become an absolute monster btw, so we wont have to worry about so simple things lacking.


i read this from naughty dog wich is interesting

naughty dog not itching for new hardware


"No, we're not itching for new hardware," said co-president Evan Wells in a recent post-mortem interview with G4. "I would love to keep working on the PlayStation [3] for 5 or 6 more years...I think there's still a lot to get out of it. We're not really feeling limited by the hardware, it's more about the hours of the day and how quickly we want to get the next game out."

Not only does an extended hardware cycle mean Naughty Dog has more time to properly understand and exploit the available technology, it's a win for consumers, too, he argued.

"The consumers definitely are winners if the cycle is longer because they don't have to shell out $300 to...well, PS3...$600 for a new piece of hardware," he said. "But the developers win, because they get to continue to leverage all of their investment with that current generation. They don't have to go in there and start learning the new hardware and rebuilding all of their tools and rendering pipleines to support it. I only see software sales getting stronger over the next couple of years, so I hope the hardware manufacturers don't feel the pressure to put out some new systems any time soon."


coming from the masters themselves

[JZ3Racing]

Don't know if anyone has seen this but thought I would give you this link :

http://cnettv.cnet.com/live/pregame/?tag=mncol;txt

I know I'm in the wrong section because we are talking about the ps3 version of mafia 2 but throught it will give you some idea how the game will play. I think this is the final retail version on the xbox 360. Fast forward to 16 min mark, it's live streaming.

Wow, that guy was terrible at shooting, it was painful to watch, lol. I noticed that it wasn't the demo, it was just a video showing a mission from the full game.

[Lex004]

@2kgames will the ps3 version be getting a patch to put in grass, motion blur,blood and cloth physx ?

[M413FIK_E]

@2kgames will the ps3 version be getting a patch to put in grass, motion blur,blood and cloth physx ?

2K Liz said but not in exact words "there is no need to make a petition for a patch If it can be fixed it will be patched" heres hoping that grass, motion blur,blood and cloth physx can be added or fixed in the game. But the thought that they are trying and listening to us made me repurchase the game.;)

[Entropy]

2K Liz said but not in exact words "there is no need to make a petition for a patch If it can be fixed it will be patched" heres hoping that grass, motion blur,blood and cloth physx can be added or fixed in the game. But the thought that they are trying and listening to us made me repurchase the game.;)


Thats a bold statement then because ofcourse it can be fixed but they have to invest A LOT of time in it which they wont do.

[M413FIK_E]

Thats a bold statement then because ofcourse it can be fixed but they have to invest A LOT of time in it which they wont do.

Well they have been honest soo far I do believe that they can patch it also due to the fact that soo many PS3 owners are pissed about it they would probably fix it just to gain the PS3 fanbase trust again. Cause right now their reputation with the PS3 owners is pretty bad.

[PS3user]

Don't expect a patch or you're gonna be disappointed when it doesn't happen.

[M413FIK_E]

I wont be dissapointed I would like a patch but I like to stay positive. 2K would probably make a patch I mean the PS3 sales are growing and they are going to realize that its not like it was in 2008 with millions of xboxes and thousands of PS3s. They will realize that they can make money off of PS3 by making a patch thus restoring their rep with PS3 owners. If they patch the graphical issues I guarantee that their PS3 sales will go up and all the work they put in a graphics patch will all be worth it in the end. It would also help future sales on other IPs with the PS3 because it shows that they are dedicated to the PS3 owners just as much as they are with the Xbox and PC owners. Thats just my opinion though.

[Vallanthaz]

Don't expect a patch or you're gonna be disappointed when it doesn't happen.

Exactly.

Just vote with your wallet.

Either don't buy it at all, or buy it used. Don't reward them for obviously not giving a toss about PS3 users.

[roadkill101]

Whatever the outcome of the ps3 version of mafia 2 I will be happy that I'm getting something. The graphics might not looks as good as the pc and xbox 360 but maybe we will get lucky and I know it's prob no chance in hell but maybe we will get a patch to fix the frame rate and maybe a few graphical issues. I'm getting it for the pc also and have being playing the demo nonstop on the pc. I think the game is more fun on the pc because I feel like I have better precision in aiming the gun with the mouse than the ps3 or xbox 360 controller. (Makes for great headshots and blowing up gas tanks on the vehicles) Physx in all it's glory. I'm getting more and more excited for this game. Already received my strategy guide today from game stop only took them 3 days. Well hope you guys enjoy the game when it comes out I know I will. Just one question for you guys, if the game when it comes out looks exactly like the demo you played on the ps3 will that prevent future purchases of future mafia games and anything made by 2k games and massive bear studios?:eek:

[Caporegime]

Don't expect a patch or you're gonna be disappointed when it doesn't happen.


Absolutely. I some think people are being a bit foolishly optimistic by assuming that the copious & manifold problems with the PS3 version of this game can somehow be magically patched away. If that were technically possible, these deficiencies wouldn't have existed in the game to begin with.

I would suspect that in order for the PS3 version to have any chance of looking & performing on par with either the PC or (especially) the 360 versions, the game engine for the PS3 would have to be entirely redesigned from the ground up. Sadly, that's not going to happen.

[KatyushaRockets]

Is there any videos of gameplay of the final ps3 version?

[Caporegime]

Exactly.

Just vote with your wallet.

Either don't buy it at all, or buy it used. Don't reward them for obviously not giving a toss about PS3 users.

That's what I did. I canceled my pre-order for CE several days ago. IMHO, the PS3 version simply isn't worth the full asking price of $60 (or $80 for CE) in its current state. It's provably third-rate. When the price dips somewhere between $19.99-$29.99 on Amazon, maybe I'll pick up a copy. That's about what I always pay for third-rate games on the PS3, and I see no need to make any exception's here.

[marchi]

Maybe you just have to check this and prepare your-selve for the dissapointment you gonna have after buy this game:

http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1012515&postcount=541

You really think I hadn't read that?.... I've been on here for nearly a month.

These issues would have been present well before the demo was ever released. They don't just sit on their arses for 3 months waiting for game launch. As I said, use your brain and think for yourself. Logic says otherwise to what Liz has said and I'm not putting her down. She's also stated recently that size constraints have affected the Demo...

[KiLLbuRsT]

I think it's possible to release a patch for the PS3 version.They can patch the small details such as the grass and blood.I think it's possible!Hopefully they'll do that for us PS3 players :o

[Caporegime]

I think it's possible to release a patch for the PS3 version.They can patch the small details such as the grass and blood.I think it's possible!Hopefully they'll do that for us PS3 players :o

Hopefully, but I still think if it were possible to have those things in the PS3 version they'd be in there already, if for no other reason than to quiet the sh*t storm now surrounding the PS3 demo.

The PS3 version is already subject to massive, and I mean MASSIVE, screen tearing and lackluster fps even without those elements present. One can only imagine what the game's performance would be like with those missing elements included.

No, 2K would probably need to rebuild the game engine specifically for the PS3 (for real this time), and actually go to Sony for code optimization help, and not outsource the task to some nondescript, no-frills, cardboard box operation like Massive Bear.

[2K Elizabeth]

You really think I hadn't read that?.... I've been on here for nearly a month.

These issues would have been present well before the demo was ever released. They don't just sit on their arses for 3 months waiting for game launch. As I said, use your brain and think for yourself. Logic says otherwise to what Liz has said and I'm not putting her down. She's also stated recently that size constraints have affected the Demo...

I really wouldn't give you guys what most of you regard as bad news if it were not, in fact, the truth. I'm definitely not a fan of that. And yes, I know there have been a lot of different opinions and statements made about the look of the demo AND the final game, and some of that is subjective - depending on what you are looking at and how you view the game, you might see the differences - it is the full game and not just the demo, that's true, but largely, the demo looks like the full game.

That's not a very firm statement, and I know it, but I hope I've at least accurately explained why it's not a simple "yes" or "no."

[dreamweaver]

Whatever the outcome of the ps3 version of mafia 2 I will be happy that I'm getting something. The graphics might not looks as good as the pc and xbox 360 but maybe we will get lucky and I know it's prob no chance in hell but maybe we will get a patch to fix the frame rate and maybe a few graphical issues. I'm getting it for the pc also and have being playing the demo nonstop on the pc. I think the game is more fun on the pc because I feel like I have better precision in aiming the gun with the mouse than the ps3 or xbox 360 controller. (Makes for great headshots and blowing up gas tanks on the vehicles) Physx in all it's glory. I'm getting more and more excited for this game. Already received my strategy guide today from game stop only took them 3 days. Well hope you guys enjoy the game when it comes out I know I will. Just one question for you guys, if the game when it comes out looks exactly like the demo you played on the ps3 will that prevent future purchases of future mafia games and anything made by 2k games and massive bear studios?:eek:

Yes. If we support this kind of practice devs like 2k Czech will continue to release substandard versions on our system. Like Vallanthaz said, Vote with your wallet.

[KatyushaRockets]

You might see the differences - it is the full game and not just the demo, that's true, but largely, the demo looks like the full game.

Can you tell us whether the "jaggies"/aliasing in the demo reflects the final product?
Or is there a "noticeable" difference, in your opinion. '

Thanks,
MKS.

[marchi]

I really wouldn't give you guys what most of you regard as bad news if it were not, in fact, the truth. I'm definitely not a fan of that. And yes, I know there have been a lot of different opinions and statements made about the look of the demo AND the final game, and some of that is subjective - depending on what you are looking at and how you view the game, you might see the differences - it is the full game and not just the demo, that's true, but largely, the demo looks like the full game.

That's not a very firm statement, and I know it, but I hope I've at least accurately explained why it's not a simple "yes" or "no."

I understand what you're saying Liz and thats why i'm remaining optimistic. There seems to be too many variables in game play thus far to determine how much better the game is or is an improvement. Putting it simply, only some adjustments need to be altered to fix the "big" issues. Things like grass and blood as extensive as the PC version are not really a big thing on most peoples care list. It would be nice, but in the end, its not going to affect the story or gameplay all that much and thats really what matters the most.

If Jack and you whom have both stated that the console versions look almost identical then I have no reason other then to believe you. There has been far too many differences between gamers for there to be a concrete issue between them. Added to that, the fact that nobody who's played the final game has mentioned the issues represented in the demo says to me that while yes the graphics are similar, the overrall packaged is improved to a point where you can't really tell them apart.


People need to realize that if the Demo was released as a full game, then these magazines would pick up on these issues.

[dreamweaver]

Marchi you must be working for 2k?
Most magazine reviews don't go into the technical side of things at all. I read a good few Red Dead Reviews, and not one of them mentioned the differences between the PS3 and Xbox versions same with Orange Box.
If the final game was any better 2k would have released HQ official footage/screenshots to prove it as soon as all the negative publicity spread across the internet.
If your not a 2k plant, I wouldn't get your hopes up, though you do sound like the kin of person who'd be happy with a cardboard box, with Mafia II written on it.

[Vulcanproject]

Marchi you must be working for 2k?
Most magazine reviews don't go into the technical side of things at all. I read a good few Red Dead Reviews, and not one of them mentioned the differences between the PS3 and Xbox versions same with Orange Box.
If the final game was any better 2k would have released HQ official footage/screenshots to prove it as soon as all the negative publicity spread across the internet.
If your not a 2k plant, I wouldn't get your hopes up, though you do sound like the kin of person who'd be happy with a cardboard box, with Mafia II written on it.

:D Quite true. Few online sites might note differences in their reviews, leaving most of it to be churned up in forums such as these and the odd head to head analysis page of more technical sites that obviously, most wouldnt read.

[M413FIK_E]

You know what I think is funny when I start the demo on my PS3 I see that huge physX logo that 2K brags about soo much and come to find out when I play the game i get no cloth physics at all. The damn coat is stuck to the legs with crazy glue lmao. But Xbox gets some coat physics. Its like saying here is your Snickers candy bar but when you take a bite there is no peanuts caramel or chocolate nugget inside the damn bar.

[marchi]

Marchi you must be working for 2k?
Most magazine reviews don't go into the technical side of things at all. I read a good few Red Dead Reviews, and not one of them mentioned the differences between the PS3 and Xbox versions same with Orange Box.
If the final game was any better 2k would have released HQ official footage/screenshots to prove it as soon as all the negative publicity spread across the internet.
If your not a 2k plant, I wouldn't get your hopes up, though you do sound like the kin of person who'd be happy with a cardboard box, with Mafia II written on it.

The issues in the demo are far too glaring not to have been picked up by a reviewer. The point about Red Dead is mute. The similarities were so tiny that you ought to be minding your own business to pick them up.

[Caporegime]

You know what I think is funny when I start the demo on my PS3 I see that huge physX logo that 2K brags about soo much and come to find out when I play the game i get no cloth physics at all. The damn coat is stuck to the legs with crazy glue lmao. But Xbox gets some coat physics. Its like saying here is your Snickers candy bar but when you take a bite there is no peanuts caramel or chocolate nugget inside the damn bar.

Sadly ironic, isn't it? The PS3 version of this game is the antithesis of the advanced eye-candy that PhysX technology makes possible. In truth, what really should be there is the PhysX logo with one of those red Ghostbuster slashes through it.

[-Mr.Dissapear-]

I really wouldn't give you guys what most of you regard as bad news if it were not, in fact, the truth. I'm definitely not a fan of that. And yes, I know there have been a lot of different opinions and statements made about the look of the demo AND the final game, and some of that is subjective - depending on what you are looking at and how you view the game, you might see the differences - it is the full game and not just the demo, that's true, but largely, the demo looks like the full game.

That's not a very firm statement, and I know it, but I hope I've at least accurately explained why it's not a simple "yes" or "no."


Thanks liz, we all understood the crap what game producers trying to sell us, ps3 users (don't have nothing against you) we just HOPE for a BIG PATCH, that's all.

But people like marchi just don't understand what's going on here and hope that grass, blood and cloth physx magically appear in the final game. I trully would like that, but I'm trying being realistic and prepare for the dissapointment after not getting any patch...

[-Mr.Dissapear-]

I understand what you're saying Liz and thats why i'm remaining optimistic. There seems to be too many variables in game play thus far to determine how much better the game is or is an improvement. Putting it simply, only some adjustments need to be altered to fix the "big" issues. Things like grass and blood as extensive as the PC version are not really a big thing on most peoples care list. It would be nice, but in the end, its not going to affect the story or gameplay all that much and thats really what matters the most.

If Jack and you whom have both stated that the console versions look almost identical then I have no reason other then to believe you. There has been far too many differences between gamers for there to be a concrete issue between them. Added to that, the fact that nobody who's played the final game has mentioned the issues represented in the demo says to me that while yes the graphics are similar, the overrall packaged is improved to a point where you can't really tell them apart.


People need to realize that if the Demo was released as a full game, then these magazines would pick up on these issues.

Of course Jack says they are identicals HE MUST SELL HIS CRAP ( I don't consider ps3 version a product at all). If he doesn't sells his sh.it who else gonna do that? And it's exactly cause people LIKE YOU that Mafia 2 will still get sells, because people like you (How it said by somebody before) buying even card box of cereals if it's written "Mafia 2" in there!!

[PS3user]

I understand what you're saying Liz and thats why i'm remaining optimistic. There seems to be too many variables in game play thus far to determine how much better the game is or is an improvement. Putting it simply, only some adjustments need to be altered to fix the "big" issues. Things like grass and blood as extensive as the PC version are not really a big thing on most peoples care list. It would be nice, but in the end, its not going to affect the story or gameplay all that much and thats really what matters the most.

If Jack and you whom have both stated that the console versions look almost identical then I have no reason other then to believe you. There has been far too many differences between gamers for there to be a concrete issue between them. Added to that, the fact that nobody who's played the final game has mentioned the issues represented in the demo says to me that while yes the graphics are similar, the overrall packaged is improved to a point where you can't really tell them apart.


People need to realize that if the Demo was released as a full game, then these magazines would pick up on these issues.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22905170&postcount=640
It's up to you whether you think t hey are the same or not.

[AvanGard]

It is really a shame. This game should have never been released for PS3.

I just don't understand...

Why didn't 2k made Mafia 2 exclusive to PC and Xbox then? Are they that greedy?

Why waste time and money on the PS3, when they could have invested it in making the game even better on the other platforms?

Why do Sony allow game companies to make such poor games for its console?(greedy too?) Afterall the Sony brand is also on the box!

Why do the executives of 2k allow for such product, like the PS3 version of the game, carry the name of the company?

Is it really just about money.

[marchi]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22905170&postcount=640
It's up to you whether you think t hey are the same or not.

I wouldn't believe piece of writing that comes off that website.

[marchi]

Thanks liz, we all understood the crap what game producers trying to sell us, ps3 users (don't have nothing against you) we just HOPE for a BIG PATCH, that's all.

But people like marchi just don't understand what's going on here and hope that grass, blood and cloth physx magically appear in the final game. I trully would like that, but I'm trying being realistic and prepare for the dissapointment after not getting any patch...

You really need to get a dose of reality and a bit of common sense. I never said that these physics would just appear. I still find comments like your hilarious. Have you noticed that the Xbox 360 version had the same graphical issues 'screen tearing and frame rate' issues in the demo? If you opened your eyes instead of reading what you want, you'd see that. look at the bloody threads up and down this forum. But carry on...

[Lord Gremlin]

I wouldn't believe piece of writing that comes off that website.
Indeed, a lot of lies there. Recently many games look same or better on PS3. Singularity for example. There are several developers of course who suck at making games for PS3 (Rockstar).

[KatyushaRockets]

Are there any images/video of the final game FOR PS3 out there?

[Alex1911]

look

you will all buy the dam PS3 version with or without grass

that's what all matters to 2K , it's very simple

it's all about $$

unless general consumer becomes less ret.....ed and not buy defective stuff anymore the big companies will still continue with such practises

[PS3 owner]

tnx for this 2K...

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/6865/1stj.jpg

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/999/2stx.jpg

pirate xbox360 version for me then good luck.End of Story.

[enttäuschung]

this is just a disappointment ... it's like when a ferrari enzo(ps3) against a bmw m3 (xbox360) loses, because the driver (2k) is very bad... real shame... mafia 2 is died for me

[fLat-]

It is really a shame. This game should have never been released for PS3.

I just don't understand...

Why didn't 2k made Mafia 2 exclusive to PC and Xbox then? Are they that greedy?

Why waste time and money on the PS3, when they could have invested it in making the game even better on the other platforms?

Why do Sony allow game companies to make such poor games for its console?(greedy too?) Afterall the Sony brand is also on the box!

Why do the executives of 2k allow for such product, like the PS3 version of the game, carry the name of the company?

Is it really just about money.

Are you ****ing joking? I don't even care anymore about that ****ing grass and ****ing blood. You will be driving the car on the road and shooting guys in the head. And I tell you that because after playing demo a lot of time I forgot the grass and I don't evin notice it. And if you don't own PS3 then stfu and GTFO of this thread you ****ing fanboy.

[fLat-]

this is just a disappointment ... it's like when a ferrari enzo(ps3) against a bmw m3 (xbox360) loses, because the driver (2k) is very bad... real shame... mafia 2 is died for me

LOL, yeah, it does't have more detailed grass and blood, what a disappointment.:D

If they would reralise with graphics as mafia 1 but with a new story I would still play it!

u get the point

[PS3 owner]

Its not only grass and blood, PS3 version look like ****.I canceled my pre-order.
OK, they want me get xbox360 version ...DL Verbatim + xbox360 for me.

[fLat-]

Its not only grass and blood, PS3 version look like ****.I canceled my pre-order.
OK, they want me get xbox360 version ...DL Verbatim + xbox360 for me.

Well for me everything else looks great, thought sometime i notice some screen tearing, but this problem have all platforms.

[enttäuschung]

LOL, yeah, it does't have more detailed grass and blood, what a disappointment.:D

If they would reralise with graphics as mafia 1 but with a new story I would still play it!

u get the point

just ridiculous ... the two versions cost the same and the ps3 version you get only half of the game. I buy the more expensive console and get the worst graphic. what a ****ing bull****. and if no patch appears before the release, then I cancel the reservation!!! something like that bull**** i'm not tolerate!!!

[PS3user]

"half the game"

LOL. Overreaction much? I'm not a fan of what 2K have done with the PS3 version, but you are completely overreacting. It's like they've removed freeroam and have shortened the storyline for the PS3.

Grass, blood pools, motion blur, and some clothing movement.

Yeah, half of the game has been removed:rolleyes:

[enttäuschung]

"half the game"

LOL. Overreaction much? I'm not a fan of what 2K have done with the PS3 version, but you are completely overreacting. It's like they've removed freeroam and have shortened the storyline for the PS3.

Grass, blood pools, motion blur, and some clothing movement.

Yeah, half of the game has been removed:rolleyes:

But something like that spoils the whole atmosphere...I think it's just pity...
there were such large spit tones: "much better than gta4" "best game ever" blabla... and than this crap....just ****ing promo****, not more...

[PS3user]

Yeah well if you're a fan of a game, you're obviously gonna say those things.

GTA 4 >>>>>>> Mafia II any time.



And if some shoddy looking grass and bent looking blood pools (go look at some screens. the blood is ****) is gonna ruin the atmosphere of the game, go play GTA4. That has an atmosphere that will only be beaten by GTA5.

I'm not getting the PS3 version because I don't want to support ports like this. That's the main reason why someone shouldn't buy this game on PS.

[enttäuschung]

Yeah well if you're a fan of a game, you're obviously gonna say those things.

GTA 4 >>>>>>> Mafia II any time.



And if some shoddy looking grass and bent looking blood pools (go look at some screens. the blood is ****) is gonna ruin the atmosphere of the game, go play GTA4. That has an atmosphere that will only be beaten by GTA5.

I'm not getting the PS3 version because I don't want to support ports like this. That's the main reason why someone shouldn't buy this game on PS.

my friend, i was on the gamescom in cologne and i played mafia for ps3 and xbox 360... and it was an enormous difference of the atmosphere...the xbox version is much better, it's just so...

[PS3user]

Ya well, I don't really let crappy grass and crappy blood pools affect what I think of the game.

I am just really upset with the laziness of the developers. That is all. How can developers like Criterion develop on PS3 so easily? And their games are not exclusive to PS3 either. Criterion's team is about 40 people. Seriously...

[enttäuschung]

Ya well, I don't really let crappy grass and crappy blood pools affect what I think of the game.

I am just really upset with the laziness of the developers. That is all. How can developers like Criterion develop on PS3 so easily? And their games are not exclusive to PS3 either. Criterion's team is about 40 people. Seriously...

yes , you are right... but a patch (free, of course) could eliminate all problems... if they ruin the game because of their laziness so then they should at least have the decency to create a patch!

[PS3user]

Bringing back the grass, blood pools etc would involve some heavy re-coding;something that I'm not even sure could be done through a patch. I am hoping that Sony have approached 2k games to help them optimize the game. This would be a dream come true. The game could look better than it does on xbox360 AND pc.

[enttäuschung]

Bringing back the grass, blood pools etc would involve some heavy re-coding;something that I'm not even sure could be done through a patch. I am hoping that Sony have approached 2k games to help them optimize the game. This would be a dream come true. The game could look better than it does on xbox360 AND pc.

but that's not really our problem right? only because they are too stupid or lazy to program correctly should we suffer?? they should make it, I do not care how... I wait until the last day before the release and then no patch appears, than i cancel my reservation!

[Vulcanproject]

GTA 4 >>>>>>> Mafia II any time.

I'm not getting the PS3 version because I don't want to support ports like this. That's the main reason why someone shouldn't buy this game on PS.

Well why dont you suggest that 2K reduce the resolution of the PS3 version versus 360 like Rockstar did with GTA4 so you can have your grass and blood back?

[Lord Gremlin]

Well why dont you suggest that 2K reduce the resolution of the PS3 version versus 360 like Rockstar did with GTA4 so you can have your grass and blood back?
Because Rockstar sucks at PS3 programming. Logic: PS3 is more powerful console hence PS3 version should look better or same.

Thank God many PS3 gamers have PCs. And PC have torrents. 2K shouldn't earn anything with Mafia 2, heh, they shouldn't even break even.

[Mintz95]

2K is going to earn more than enough to break even, your just a pissy little PS3 whiner

[M413FIK_E]

I dont mind getting a lower res like 720p to get blood grass and cloth physics back

[Vulcanproject]

Because Rockstar sucks at PS3 programming. Logic: PS3 is more powerful console hence PS3 version should look better or same.

Thank God many PS3 gamers have PCs. And PC have torrents. 2K shouldn't earn anything with Mafia 2, heh, they shouldn't even break even.

Just Rockstar? christ, theres so many examples of this its really boring to hear all the time how 'lazy' developers are when they cant make PS3 match 360. These devs must do the 360 version and then sit about being lazy of course. There should be more than enough evidence by now to show that its not about 'laziness' in every case, its about difficulty. The developers dont WANT to knock out a poor PS3 version but rarely have the talent to extract equal performance from PS3.

They certainly dont sit about and not give a toss about conveniently the PS3 version most of the time while putting all that effort into 360.

Logic: an F1 car is more powerful than a rally car hence it should be faster in a race.

Qualifier: On gravel......?

[PS3user]

Well why dont you suggest that 2K reduce the resolution of the PS3 version versus 360 like Rockstar did with GTA4 so you can have your grass and blood back?

Like I said, I don't care about grass and blood. Also GTA4 was 2 years ago, when PS3 was still gaining ground. It was acceptable at that tie to reduce the res. If they do that for GTA5 I would be annoyed.

And as for Mafia 2, I am upset because the way they optimized it was essentially a shortcut.

[distraught]

Me and my friend played the demo on PS3 and 360 side by side on the same size but different brand TV. The biggest thing I noticed is how the 360 version has so much more going on in it. Such as more pedestrians, more cars, more wrecks happen, the police do more random or scripted or whatever things such as pulling people out of car on 360. We stood in the same place for 8 minutes each and counted how many cars drove by on each version it was interesting seeing the difference.

360 version had 57 more cars drive by in 8 minutes standing at the exact same place at the exact same angle. We tried this twice and the second time it was 52 more cars. So it's obvious the PS3 is not even close to the 360 in terms of what is going on, in the world, around Mr. Vito.

[Judge Wargrave]

I preordered my copy for PS3 months ago, when none of this was known. Although I haven't played the demo (because I'm in the middle of moving), I'm still going to get the game.
My computer's not good enough for it to run satisfactory (I'm one of the X1950 guys), so I really don't have any choice. I've seen videos on YT of course, and the grass doesn't bother me that much. It looks worse than the 360 sure, but that 3D grass on the 360 looks kind of strange too imo.
The blood pools is another thing I can live without, since the thing I enjoy the most in these kinds of games is driving around randomly. The cars look great on all versions, and that's my main concern. I love the fact that you can set the driving to simulation. :)
The only thing I'm worried about is the frame rate, which I've heard isn't the best. Still, the 360 suffers the same problem. I think we can expect at least two or three patches for each system before we can play the game as it was meant to be played.

About the frame rate issues: Are there any gameplay videos of the console version when it's raining or snowing in game? Surely that will slow the game down even more.

[distraught]

Here is a great article regarding the comparison of PC, 360, and PS3. You need to scroll down about a third of way down to find out all the comparisions. http://imagequalitymatters.blogspot.com/. They did alot of testing and shows how the console version compare to the PC version and especially how the 360 and PS3 version compare. Not looking good for console users.:(

It goes on to state in conclusion that both console version suffer terribly from performance and graphical problems.

[City 17]

We are up to over 160 signatures now! Keep spreading the word! (http://web.me.com/jonwils/Temp_pages/Mafia_2_PS3_Patch.html)

Sign the petition here (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/mafia2/)

[roadkill101]

Make that 161 signatures and keep them coming, only 3 more days till release maybe they will delay the ps3 version for a month or 2 and fix the problems listed on the petition.

[nmycon]

Make that 161 signatures and keep them coming, only 3 more days till release maybe they will delay the ps3 version for a month or 2 and fix the problems listed on the petition.

there is no way the will delay the game if is supposed to come out in 3 days! LOL! That is beyond ridiculously optimistic!

Then 360 users would be moaning about how come they improve the PS3 version and not the Xbox.

[Clueless115]

Yes the ps3 version is bad and they could have done better, but i cant help feeling sorry for the devs, i'm sure they did the best they could in the time they, and i'm certain that if 2k announced that they were delaying the game to improve the console versions then a) pc players would moan because there is no need to delay that version, and b) everyone would moan that its been delayed again.

EDIT: as this is the technical issues part - the shadows of buildings seem to have 3 phases, one really blurry, as you get closer it becomes slightly less blurry, then as you are driving past its detailed, imo this is much more distracting than no 3d grass

[City 17]

I hope we can get up to 300 before the game is released. So keep signing and spread the link (http://web.me.com/jonwils/Temp_pages/Mafia_2_PS3_Patch.html) around as many sites as you can!

It comes out in the UK on the 2k I hope atleast there will be news of a patch by then.

[JoePesci911]

*Stop Spamming*

That is all

[Atlas.]

Can we keep this thread on topic to specific PS3 issues? There is already a thread for discussion of a patch here:

http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81178

[roadkill101]

Don't buy the game on the ps3 and get it for the 360 or pc. If you have a pc capable of running the games between 40 to 50 fps or higher get it for the pc. And if you don't have of pc capable of running mafia 2 then I guess you are SOL!:cool:

[Caporegime]

Yes the ps3 version is bad and they could have done better, but i cant help feeling sorry for the devs, i'm sure they did the best.....<snip>

I don't feel sorry for them one bit. If this fiasco has caused 2K & its employees embarrassment it's all well-deserved. You make it sound like they're being victimized somehow. They should be embarrassed by the effort (or lack thereof) that was put forth in "optimizing" this game for the PS3. Trust me, come Tuesday everyone at 2K will be laughing all the way to the bank without a single thought about you, your family, and whatever problems you may be having, so why lavish them with sympathy they haven't really earned?

I also disagree with your supposition that the devs did the best job they could in optimizing this game for the PS3. If this hideous half-baked offering, with its lack of key graphical elements & massive screen tearing & mediocre fps, was the best they could do in terms of bringing Mafia 2 to the PS3, than it is they who should be offering all us PS3 owners their sympathies, and not the other way around.

Sorry, but there's simply no excuse for any game company to be producing this kind of third-rate flotsam & jetsam for the PS3 at this stage in the PS3's lifespan.

[enttäuschung]

I'm sure microsoft has paid the producer so that they forgot something in the ps3 version:rolleyes:

[JoePesci911]

I don't feel sorry for them one bit. If this fiasco has caused 2K & its employees embarrassment it's all well-deserved. You make it sound like they're being victimized somehow. They should be embarrassed by the effort (or lack thereof) that was put forth in "optimizing" this game for the PS3. Trust me, come Tuesday everyone at 2K will be laughing all the way to the bank without a single thought about you, your family, and whatever problems you may be having, so why lavish them with sympathy they haven't really earned?

I also disagree with your supposition that the devs did the best job they could in optimizing this game for the PS3. If this hideous half-baked offering, with its lack of key graphical elements & massive screen tearing & mediocre fps, was the best they could do in terms of bringing Mafia 2 to the PS3, than it is they who should be offering all us PS3 owners their sympathies, and not the other way around.

Sorry, but there's simply no excuse for any game company to be producing this kind of third-rate flotsam & jetsam for the PS3 at this stage in the PS3's lifespan.

Just get a 360 ;) or a gaming pc.

[Caporegime]

Just get a 360 ;) or a gaming pc.

That's not the issue here, and you know it. But thanks anyway for attempting to inject a semi-humorous interlude into this whole mess.

[JoePesci911]

That's not the issue here, and you know it. But thanks anyway for attempting to inject a semi-humorous interlude into this whole mess.

ye it is.. the prob with ps3 version is everythin and then i said just get a 360 or pc and play it with way better graphics then the ps3 version :)

[Clueless115]

@ caporegime you seem to have forgotten i didnt say they did the best they could do ever i said they did the best they could do in the time they had. and i've said it before and i'll say it again, if they did delay it to make it better, people will still complain (people always do). and i'm not happy that blood pools etc is missing either but i still think people are being a bit unfair, they did have 2 other versions to make aswell. however i do think they should have gone to sony instead of massivebear.

[roadkill101]

[QUOTE=JoePesci911;1034435]ye it is.. the prob with ps3 version is everythin and then i said just get a 360 or pc and play it with way better graphics then the ps3 version :)[/QUOTE

Well said joe pesci, love ya in the movie goodfelllas:)

[enttäuschung]

microsoft paid the producerteam of massive bear!! 100%

[Vallanthaz]

Just get a 360 ;) or a gaming pc.

Yep, get a 360.

Then you can have the same frame-rate and performance issues as the PS3 version, but have...

Grass.

[Fitz010]

Yep, get a 360.

Then you can have the same frame-rate and performance issues as the PS3 version, but have...

Grass.

This. Playing the demo on the 360 and PS3. I can confirm they both have the same fps and tearing issues. But, Hey! There's grass!

[M413FIK_E]

This. Playing the demo on the 360 and PS3. I can confirm they both have the same fps and tearing issues. But, Hey! There's grass!

Hey, hey, hey dont forget about cloth physics and blood pools that are on the Xbox too. :p

[M413FIK_E]

I have posted this on the PS3 patch board but its kind of dead in there so tell me what you think

I was actually looking into the Q&A and when I read this I feel lied to so here is what 2K jack says

Answer by 2K_Jack: The 2 console versions look nearly identical. Neither looks better than the other.

So can you explain why Xbox has grass,blood pools and cloth physics and PS3 does not ? Everyone knows the Xbox looks better. you may need to edit that answer.

Answer by 2K_Jack: Cloth moves on the consoles, but it doesn't do so hyper-realistically like it does on a high-end PC capable of GPU-enhanced PhysX tricks.

I hope soo cause the cloth on PS3 sticks to the body with no simplistic movement whatsoever. Xbox has cloth movement no sticky.

proof of differences on consoles http://imagequalitymatters.blogspot.com/ http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-mafia-ii-demo-showdown

You either gots a patch or you gots some splainin to do 2K.

[nmycon]

I have posted this on the PS3 patch board but its kind of dead in there so tell me what you think

I was actually looking into the Q&A and when I read this I feel lied to so here is what 2K jack says

Answer by 2K_Jack: The 2 console versions look nearly identical. Neither looks better than the other.

So can you explain why Xbox has grass,blood pools and cloth physics and PS3 does not ? Everyone knows the Xbox looks better. you may need to edit that answer.

Answer by 2K_Jack: Cloth moves on the consoles, but it doesn't do so hyper-realistically like it does on a high-end PC capable of GPU-enhanced PhysX tricks.

I hope soo cause the cloth on PS3 sticks to the body with no simplistic movement whatsoever. Xbox has cloth movement no sticky.

proof of differences on consoles http://imagequalitymatters.blogspot.com/ http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-mafia-ii-demo-showdown

You either gots a patch or you gots some splainin to do 2K.

we all feel the same way and most of us have read those comments before

i don't have a gaming PC and have no plans to buy a 360 anytime soon. I have a PS3 and i would like to play Mafia 2. Sure, the game isn't perfect, but it's the only option i have and not buying the game isn't going to do me any good either...

[marchi]

I have posted this on the PS3 patch board but its kind of dead in there so tell me what you think

I was actually looking into the Q&A and when I read this I feel lied to so here is what 2K jack says

Answer by 2K_Jack: The 2 console versions look nearly identical. Neither looks better than the other.

So can you explain why Xbox has grass,blood pools and cloth physics and PS3 does not ? Everyone knows the Xbox looks better. you may need to edit that answer.

Answer by 2K_Jack: Cloth moves on the consoles, but it doesn't do so hyper-realistically like it does on a high-end PC capable of GPU-enhanced PhysX tricks.

I hope soo cause the cloth on PS3 sticks to the body with no simplistic movement whatsoever. Xbox has cloth movement no sticky.

proof of differences on consoles http://imagequalitymatters.blogspot.com/ http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-mafia-ii-demo-showdown

You either gots a patch or you gots some splainin to do 2K.
Its called a demo :eek:

[Alex1911]

guys the PS3 has been cracked according to the BBC

Just google it ;)

it allows to play the game from the HD and not being forced to have the disk inside. So Mafia 3 players will now be able to play the game without using up the disc just like the demo

thi can be good for the life of the Bluray readers than many have breaked down

[marchi]

guys the PS3 has been cracked according to the BBC

Just google it ;)

it allows to play the game from the HD and not being forced to have the disk inside. So Mafia 3 players will now be able to play the game without using up the disc just like the demo

thi can be good for the life of the Bluray readers than many have breaked down

This is also illegal and will only require a system update from Sony to completely negate the crack.

Honestly, you could not be any stupider to post this on a developer forum.

[fLat-]

Yeah and if u want mafia 3 u better buy this game..

[M413FIK_E]

Yeah buy the damn game. Yeah I am a bit dissapointed as a PS3 only owner but I am still gonna buy the game grass, blood pools, cloth physics or not. Sadly enough.

[Alex1911]

what the f**k

It says only about playing the game from the HDD to save the bluray reader

are you freaking drunk, there is nothing in there about copying a game or soemthing , READ man

BTW I don't have any consoles, so i don't gonna BUY anything, maybe in 2-3 years when its ultra cheap :)

[Alex1911]

Yeah buy the damn game. Yeah I am a bit dissapointed as a PS3 only owner but I am still gonna buy the game grass, blood pools, cloth physics or not. Sadly enough.

proving 2k's point perfectly

they could make it as ****ty as they want and YOU will still buy it ;)

[PS3 owner]

they could make it as ****ty as they want and YOU will still buy it ;)

NOT, **** game port = 0 monney.

PC torrent version or xbox360 torrent version and next time they learn make good PS3 version.
At the moment they lost me ...im not supporting **** like this.

[M413FIK_E]

proving 2k's point perfectly

they could make it as ****ty as they want and YOU will still buy it ;)

You're right I shouldn't buy a watered down version of Mafia 2. It was a very lazy optimization for the PS3 they just kept deleting codes till the game ran like the Xbox version which isn't cool they should've tried to optimize the game while it had grass, blood pools and cloth physics. Ill just wait till there is a patch or till the game is like 20 dollars.

[NMajor]

Ignoring the whole normal banter as it's pointless but there is one graphic problem I seem to see many times.

If you walk past bushes or trees or move the camera around them there are many white dots, very annoying actually, is this in the final game?

[nmycon]

Ignoring the whole normal banter as it's pointless but there is one graphic problem I seem to see many times.

If you walk past bushes or trees or move the camera around them there are many white dots, very annoying actually, is this in the final game?

i was wondering about this too!

i wasn't sure exactly how to describe it, but yeah, it's like a bunch of white dots that remain on the screen until something other than trees cross where the dots are on the screen.

at first i thought it was water droplets (from the leaves i guess) but then i realized it happens even when you are half a mile away...

[crazylegz54]

thats never happened 2 me wat system do u have

[nmycon]

thats never happened 2 me wat system do u have

well this is in the "PS3 Demo/Game Issues" thread... so take a wild guess! :rolleyes:

[Xenon]

I was angry about the PS3 version and then PSJailbreak happened. Now I don't care how lousy 2K PS3 ports are.

Keep up the good work 2K.

[MYSZa7_PL]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22951924&postcount=762

NO BIRDS ON PS3?! THIS IS ****ING RIDICULOUS !!!!!

[TicTac]

This is funny. I've pre-ordered the S.E. of the game after I watched a dutch gameshow (gamekings) that the full PS3 game would be a great build unlike the demo....

Now this past week I've visited these boards and seen only how bad the ps3 version will be compared to the 360.
I'd rather wait for another 6 months for this game, and have it good. But now in a few days the ps3 users are going to get the demo-build with no grass, no blood(pools), so-so framerate, probably no birds, less pedestrians, less traffic.

That was some great optimization.

[marchi]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22951924&postcount=762

NO BIRDS ON PS3?! THIS IS ****ING RIDICULOUS !!!!!

Would you stop quoting that ****ing website? How in anyway shape or form, does a poster called Lyr Invoke any sense of confidence or credibility? You're doing exactly what he wants you to do by winding you up.

[marchi]

This is funny. I've pre-ordered the S.E. of the game after I watched a dutch gameshow (gamekings) that the full PS3 game would be a great build unlike the demo....

Now this past week I've visited these boards and seen only how bad the ps3 version will be compared to the 360.
I'd rather wait for another 6 months for this game, and have it good. But now in a few days the ps3 users are going to get the demo-build with no grass, no blood(pools), so-so framerate, probably no birds, less pedestrians, less traffic.

That was some great optimization.

So believe a game show who actually has some source of credibility over a bunch of people from the Internet??? :o

[TicTac]

So believe a game show who actually has some source of credibility over a bunch of people from the Internet??? :o

Well, when 2K Elizabeth said that the demo was what you would get in the full game and that you won't have bloodpools and no grass. Plus the clothing physics in the demo was horrible compared to the 360. I started believing her more than the gameshowhost

[Surfking61]

I just got a question abot the PS3 Demo, does someone with ps3 NOT got any problems with the demo? I've read in the forum for the last couple of hours, and all i've seen is whininh about the ps3 demo

Sorry for my bad english:)

I have played the demo about 10 times or so and for me the frame rate never really wavers below 30 or so except in the distillery when things get crazy. As for tearing, there is some but we have to remember that this is a demo and not the final build. They did say this was made just for the demo and the final level would be different. As of now I see no reason not to buy this game...

[marchi]

Well, when 2K Elizabeth said that the demo was what you would get in the full game and that you won't have bloodpools and no grass. Plus the clothing physics in the demo was horrible compared to the 360. I started believing her more than the gameshowhost

2k Elizabeth compared both console versions to the PC version. The same comment from here has been put in the Xbox 360 forum as well.

There was never any mention of no grass or pools of blood or Clothing physics. Just muppets reading far deeper into something then what they've been told.

[-Mr.Dissapear-]

2k Elizabeth compared both console versions to the PC version. The same comment from here has been put in the Xbox 360 forum as well.

There was never any mention of no grass or pools of blood or Clothing physics. Just muppets reading far deeper into something then what they've been told.

You are:

1. An idiot
2. 2K games worker
3. Both are true

I think think the third one looks better than the others.

2K Elizabeth CONFIRMED all this stuff (grass, cloths, blood) WON'T be in the final version EITHER. It was confirmed 3 or 4 times. And when we ask her for hers ambigual answers he said "the demo IS FU.CKING representative of final version on ALL WAYS"

Or you just STUPID or you work for 2K Jack, who's trying to sell US the SH.ITEST PORT EVER MADE BY HUMANKIND!

[Omen1972]

Since I first heard about Mafia II, I've been wondering about what it's be like, how it'd look, how it'd play.

I've visited the 2k site for Mafia II a few times and really liked what I saw, yes the graphics may not be as great as other games, but there are many many games that look a darn sight worse. As for the gamplay, I played the demo and really loved the cover system, and from what I have seen I can't wait till this Friday for the game to come out, whether the grass is rendered properly or not, i don't care, I'll be too busy putting caps in rears to have time to look around at the scenery.

[marchi]

You are:

1. An idiot
2. 2K games worker
3. Both are true

I think think the third one looks better than the others.

2K Elizabeth CONFIRMED all this stuff (grass, cloths, blood) WON'T be in the final version EITHER. It was confirmed 3 or 4 times. And when we ask her for hers ambigual answers he said "the demo IS FU.CKING representative of final version on ALL WAYS"

Or you just STUPID or you work for 2K Jack, who's trying to sell US the SH.ITEST PORT EVER MADE BY HUMANKIND!

:) Maybe you should learn to read first. Oh and type with proper spelling and grammar.



Hey guys,

When designing Mafia II, we optimized for each of the three different systems the game would run on to make sure the core experience was the best it could be. Because of this, there are some differences from one platform to the next.

In terms of the PS3 version, I wanted to clarify a couple points you have been asking about: There will not be highly detailed grass or large pools of blood, the cloth movement is less noticeable than, for example, the PC version, and the visual fidelity in the demo is generally representative of what you'll see in the full game.

I still love that idiots like you think that Graphics are more important then gameplay

[-Mr.Dissapear-]

:) Maybe you should learn to read first. Oh and type with proper spelling and grammar.




I still love that idiots like you think that Graphics are more important then gameplay


Graphics ARE more important in games like mafia 2 where you CAN'T do NOTHING more less STORYLINE, because it not have even a poor free ride mode. And, of course because if the graphics ARE PERFECT in pc, are good enough in xbox 360, why WE PS3 OWNERS MUST BE CONFORMED WITH PS2 GRAPHICS????

And the AMBIGUAL answer you put about 2K elizabeth, is the first answer by her. After that he confirmed that the aswer it self IS: no blood pools, no cloth physx and no fuc.king GRASS, if you don't read nothing about that is your life, but I'm like much people of this thread read all the 144 pages of the thread "It's time for answers".

So stop trolling and post your stupid coments of ps3 version "will look great" if you don't have idea of what was what happened in this thread the last 2 weeks.

[dreamweaver]

Graphics ARE more important in games like mafia 2 where you CAN'T do NOTHING more less STORYLINE, because it not have even a poor free ride mode. And, of course because if the graphics ARE PERFECT in pc, are good enough in xbox 360, why WE PS3 OWNERS MUST BE CONFORMED WITH PS2 GRAPHICS????

And the AMBIGUAL answer you put about 2K elizabeth, is the first answer by her. After that he confirmed that the aswer it self IS: no blood pools, no cloth physx and no fuc.king GRASS, if you don't read nothing about that is your life, but I'm like much people of this thread read all the 144 pages of the thread "It's time for answers".

So stop trolling and post your stupid coments of ps3 version "will look great" if you don't have idea of what was what happened in this thread the last 2 weeks.

Agreed, that guy is obviously working for 2k, or he's a bit simple.
Also Marchi the poor framerate and awful screentearing affect how the game plays. So it looks and plays badly and you don't have a point. I hope people don't support 2k by buying this, otherwise they (and other devs), will continue to release sub-par games on the PS3.

[-Mr.Dissapear-]

Agreed, that guy is obviously working for 2k, or he's a bit simple.
Also Marchi the poor framerate and awful screentearing affect how the game plays. So it looks and plays badly and you don't have a point. I hope people don't support 2k by buying this, otherwise they (and other devs), will continue to release sub-par games on the PS3.

Yeah, I forgot to say these problems either, it just a crap that's all.

[JZ3Racing]

I noticed in the first cutscene that Vito is wearing a white shirt with his jacket, and even when he's in his house putting the bullets in the gun, but when you actually start to play the game he's wearing a black shirt.

Now only once or twice I started the demo with him wearing the white shirt. I'm not sure if this happens with the other versions, but I thought I'd let you know :D

[Son_Of_Sparta]

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/mafia2/images/0/2/?tag=thumbs_below%3Bthumb%3B2

http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/2010/217/942954_20100806_790screen007.jpg


Check these screenshots they prove the ps3 version is fine they also prove it looks better than the 360 version of the game.

[mikel1871]

Well, when 2K Elizabeth said that the demo was what you would get in the full game and that you won't have bloodpools and no grass. Plus the clothing physics in the demo was horrible compared to the 360. I started believing her more than the gameshowhost

You never know shes been known to bend the truth b4.After all she did also state the game was developed for all three platforms from the ground up.Then later to say it was ported to console from the PC,(that post now has dissapeared) whos knows what well get in the final build.(Cancelled my CE and swapped it to the reg. game due to the fact I cant trust 2K anymore.)

[M413FIK_E]

We will not know wtf we are geting on PS3 final version until tuesday.

[Son_Of_Sparta]

You never know shes been known to bend the truth b4.After all she did also state the game was developed for all three platforms from the ground up.Then later to say it was ported to console from the PC,(that post now has dissapeared) whos knows what well get in the final build.(Cancelled my CE and swapped it to the reg. game due to the fact I cant trust 2K anymore.)

See my screenshots on the page before EVERYTHING IS FINE IN THE PS3 VERSION! I have the game because I work at blockbuster and got it Friday at Midnight when our shipments came in. Took a copy home and the game was fantastic. It had grass, blood and cloth movement. The ps3 version looks better than the 360 version

[DXM06]

I'm sick of reading these comments. PS3 DEMO is THE FINAL BUILD.
No grass no blood no graphic quality...

[nmycon]

I'm sick of reading these comments. PS3 DEMO is THE FINAL BUILD.
No grass no blood no graphic quality...

no demo is ever exactly the same as the final build... i'm sure there will be minor improvements but nothing drastic (like the addition of grass lol). for example, you cannot pick locks in the demo, but you will be able to in the final game

[dreamweaver]

See my screenshots on the page before EVERYTHING IS FINE IN THE PS3 VERSION! I have the game because I work at blockbuster and got it Friday at Midnight when our shipments came in. Took a copy home and the game was fantastic. It had grass, blood and cloth movement. The ps3 version looks better than the 360 version

2k Elizabeth stated last week that those shots were from an earlier Ps3 build, before the grass, motion blur etc were removed in the optimisation process of the game. Shady of 2k to release them. They don't represent the final game the demo does.

[enttäuschung]

See my screenshots on the page before EVERYTHING IS FINE IN THE PS3 VERSION! I have the game because I work at blockbuster and got it Friday at Midnight when our shipments came in. Took a copy home and the game was fantastic. It had grass, blood and cloth movement. The ps3 version looks better than the 360 version

what? I was on the gamescom in cologne and the ps3 version looks like crap in contrast to the xbox

edit: so, i have cancel my pre-order :) **** the xbox , **** 2k liar, **** microsoft

[DXM06]

whatsoever
unfortunately PS3 demo will not be improved graphically in final build.

[MYSZa7_PL]

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/mafia2/images/0/2/?tag=thumbs_below%3Bthumb%3B2

http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/2010/217/942954_20100806_790screen007.jpg


Check these screenshots they prove the ps3 version is fine they also prove it looks better than the 360 version of the game.

THIS IS BULLSHOT <facepalm>

[nmycon]

THIS IS BULLSHOT <facepalm>

<facepalm>

NO IT'S NOT!

this is a screenshot of actual PS3 gameplay before it was optimized

it was either we play with grass and blood at 5 FPS or they take it out and we might get to 25 FPS...

The PS3 version LOOKED like this, but no longer does... :(

[Piotrov121]

well it kinda is BS as when they took the screenshots they were fully aware that the game could not run with full graphics on..

[Son_Of_Sparta]

IGN's Mafia 2 review score is 7/10

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/111/1114635p1.html

G4's Mafia 2 review score is 4/5

http://g4tv.com/games/xbox-360/47821/mafia-ii/review/

7/10 From IGN isn't deserved the score should be 8.5/10. Mafia 2 is fantastic

[NMajor]

Wow it did look pretty good, also seems like they have AA turned on.

Fake advertising for sure.

[M413FIK_E]

Well its confirmed in the ign PS3 video review no 3d grass,blood pools and cloth physics. Just letting you guys know.:(

[Xenon]

Instead of looking at all of the negative drawbacks of the PS3 version of Mafia II, let's look at the positive aspects:

1) It's in color.

That's all I got.

[City 17]

Instead of looking at all of the negative drawbacks of the PS3 version of Mafia II, let's look at the positive aspects:

1) It's in color.

That's all I got.

2) It didn't set my PS3 on fire.... yet

[Son_Of_Sparta]

Mafia 2 has gotten mixed reviews. Many game magazine's and gaming sites have scored Mafia 2 between 8.5-10/10 while other gaming magazine's and gaming sites have scored the Mafia 2 between 7-8.4/10. Lately people have been complaining about the game a lot and I'm sure this post will stop that...

There has been nothing under the score of 7 for this game and there has only been 4 gaming sites/gaming magazines that have scored Mafia 2 a 7. There has been 6 scores in the range of 8.0-8.9. And lastly there has been 9 scores between 9.0-10.0. So overall 4 seven's shouldn't make us go crazy about how the game is bad. Looking at the overall median of the scores Mafia 2 is fantastic. Plus there is still Gamespot's review to look forward to. A good review from them pretty much wipes out IGN because thy are of the same status when it comes to reviews in the gaming world. All in all Mafia 2 is a fantastic game. So we should not fret over 4 meaningless reviews when there are 15 that say Mafia 2 is a hit.

[City 17]

Mafia 2 has gotten mixed reviews. Many game magazine's and gaming sites have scored Mafia 2 between 8.5-10/10 while other gaming magazine's and gaming sites have scored the Mafia 2 between 7-8.4/10. Lately people have been complaining about the game a lot and I'm sure this post will stop that...

There has been nothing under the score of 7 for this game and there has only been 4 gaming sites/gaming magazines that have scored Mafia 2 a 7. There has been 6 scores in the range of 8.0-8.9. And lastly there has been 9 scores between 9.0-10.0. So overall 4 seven's shouldn't make us go crazy about how the game is bad. Looking at the overall median of the scores Mafia 2 is fantastic. Plus there is still Gamespot's review to look forward to. A good review from them pretty much wipes out IGN because thy are of the same status when it comes to reviews in the gaming world. All in all Mafia 2 is a fantastic game. So we should not fret over 4 meaningless reviews when there are 15 that say Mafia 2 is a hit.

I am not to fussed about the reviews if the PS3 version isn't up to the 360s features im not buying it. Simple.

[marchi]

Graphics ARE more important in games like mafia 2 where you CAN'T do NOTHING more less STORYLINE, because it not have even a poor free ride mode. And, of course because if the graphics ARE PERFECT in pc, are good enough in xbox 360, why WE PS3 OWNERS MUST BE CONFORMED WITH PS2 GRAPHICS????

And the AMBIGUAL answer you put about 2K elizabeth, is the first answer by her. After that he confirmed that the aswer it self IS: no blood pools, no cloth physx and no fuc.king GRASS, if you don't read nothing about that is your life, but I'm like much people of this thread read all the 144 pages of the thread "It's time for answers".

So stop trolling and post your stupid coments of ps3 version "will look great" if you don't have idea of what was what happened in this thread the last 2 weeks.

hahahhaa you're a joke. I've been here alot longer then 2 weeks mate.... I'd also like you to show me these quotes and not pulling them from your arse like you blatantly are.

Gamers like you make me sick.

[marchi]

I am not to fussed about the reviews if the PS3 version isn't up to the 360s features im not buying it. Simple.

And why is it? Do the Microsoft gamers get free DLC? Wouldn't they equally have as much reason to say their game isn't up to scratch?

[M413FIK_E]

And why is it? Do the Microsoft gamers get free DLC? Wouldn't they equally have as much reason to say their game isn't up to scratch?

have you seen the final version of PS3 u are a fanboy who cant seem to see the truth. PS3 version is garbage no cloth physics, blood pools and grass the xbox has it and its only a matter of time till xbox gets the exclusive missions. Just like how PS3 owners got the GTA LC stories. Then what can we brag about ? NOTHING.

[Sicilian]

ahhh good to be back....still not getting the game lmao

[dryden28]

Its times like this when i'm glad there's a PC version. I'm angry but not hating 2k for their sub-par port because seriously they just offered me an alternative to play a more superior version for "ahem" so i'm fine with it.

When the developers try to short changed me, i "short change" them in my own ways so don't hate, just don't part with your hard earned money.

[Sicilian]

for the peice of crap they have given me on the ps3 i feel they should buy me a pc that can run the damn game, then ill consider buying it.

[marchi]

have you seen the final version of PS3 u are a fanboy who cant seem to see the truth. PS3 version is garbage no cloth physics, blood pools and grass the xbox has it and its only a matter of time till xbox gets the exclusive missions. Just like how PS3 owners got the GTA LC stories. Then what can we brag about ? NOTHING.

You are an idiot. You completely took a quote out of context to fulfill you little, 2k is band agenda. Do you understand that PS3 owners do not have to pay for the DLC? You people whinge about not buying it because its not to the same standard as the XBox version yet completely negate the fact that we're getting DLC that they will have to pay for in the not to distant future. Graphical issues can be fixed with patches.

[Biosman]

I can confirm that SONY retracted support for PS3 Mafia2 grass,cloth phyx and blood because Robbie Williams still owes them 83 million for some pukker songs he aint delivered yet and theyre skint.

[City 17]

And why is it? Do the Microsoft gamers get free DLC? Wouldn't they equally have as much reason to say their game isn't up to scratch?

I would rather have the game at the same standard as the 360 version than have the dlc, I'm not that bothered about it.

[Caporegime]

I would rather have the game at the same standard as the 360 version than have the dlc, I'm not that bothered about it.

Couldn't agree more. As an added bonus, it would have also been nice not to be blatantly lied to and played for fools, like 2k did to its PS3 customers by posting doctored in-game pics all over the web falsely depicting the PS3 version to be on par graphically with the other platforms.

[DXM06]

since when DLC becomes more important than game graphics? are you kidding me? we are not 3 years old anymore.

[PS3user]

since when DLC becomes more important than game graphics? are you kidding me? we are not 3 years old anymore.

I find that last part a little ironic.


Gameplay > graphics.