View Full Version : Is a PC gaming really worth it??
McGee
07-11-2010, 04:07 PM
I know many members here are pc gamers, but there's something I don't get it. To get your PC to play games like Mafia 2, Crysis 2, etc..it costs hundreds, of thousands of dollars. Then you have to make sure you keep staying fresh, and buying the newest and latest.
But is it really worth it? I mean are graphics that BIG of a deal to spend so much money for video games???? I mean it's weird.
Darkness62
07-11-2010, 04:39 PM
I know many members here are pc gamers, but there's something I don't get it. To get your PC to play games like Mafia 2, Crysis 2, etc..it costs hundreds, of thousands of dollars. Then you have to make sure you keep staying fresh, and buying the newest and latest.
But is it really worth it? I mean are graphics that BIG of a deal to spend so much money for video games???? I mean it's weird.
You can get a PC that can play Mafia 2 for a little more than a console costs, a computer you can use for more than just games, and the game will still look better than the out dated hardware on your current FAILBox, not as good as the top of the line PC, but still quite nice. Just what is it you button mashing console-tards don't get?
Most people have a computer the more you spend the better the game looks. Console and high end TV to make the games look good (well as good as they can look on 5 + year old hardware) is quite a lot of money correct? The more you spend on your console gaming system (really all you can add is high end TV and sound system) the "better" it will look.
Is it really worth it to spend $300 + on the console, $1000 + for the TV, $500 + for the sound system and $10 to $20 more for every game for ugly graphics, eye watering jaggies, screen tearing, awkward controls, and up-scaled faked 1080p? Hmmmm I wonder? Just curious, I am a proud PS3 owner (a fantastic addition to my gaming notebook) and a former FAILBox owner (I rebuilt it myself from RRoD FAILBox) wasn't worth the $40 I paid for it so I gave it away.
McGee
07-11-2010, 04:46 PM
You can get a PC that can play Mafia 2 for a little more than a console costs, a computer you can use for more than just games, and the game will still look better than the out dated hardware on your current FAILBox, not as good as the top of the line PC, but still quite nice. Just what is it you button mashing console-tards don't get?
Most people have a computer the more you spend the better the game looks. Console and high end TV to make the games look good (well as good as they can look on 5 + year old hardware) is quite a lot of money correct? The more you spend on your console gaming system (really all you can add is high end TV and sound system) the "better" it will look.
Is it really worth it to spend $300 + on the console, $1000 + for the TV, $500 + for the sound system and $10 to $20 more for every game for ugly graphics, eye watering jaggies, screen tearing, awkward controls, and up-scaled faked 1080p? Hmmmm I wonder? Just curious, I am a proud PS3 owner (a fantastic addition to my gaming notebook) and a former FAILBox owner (I rebuilt it myself from RRoD FAILBox) wasn't worth the $40 I paid for it so I gave it away.
Uh what? I have a used 360 for 100 bucks, and have a old non hd tv. I can't believe some people care about graphics SO MUCH they would spend that much money. Wow some people are really superficial...:rolleyes:
If the game if fun, then I'm game. Could care less about graphics, and screen tearing and what not...
Darkness62
07-11-2010, 05:27 PM
Uh what? I have a used 360 for 100 bucks, and have a old non hd tv. I can't believe some people care about graphics SO MUCH they would spend that much money. Wow some people are really superficial...:rolleyes:
If the game if fun, then I'm game. Could care less about graphics, and screen tearing and what not...
Once again, it goes over the button mashers head, just like you don't have to spend the cash on console gaming (as you have, which is fine). Some do, like me, 52 " HD TV $500 surround sound , and the PS3. I want the best from console experience as well, as my PC gaming experience. I am older been gaming since the 80s. I have a career and somewhat supportive wife (She bought me the PS3 for Valentine's Day) that allows me to spend that money. The same goes for PC gaming, as you have done with console gaming, you don't have to spend a lot of cash to game, but if you want the best, you have to pay for it.
Some people want the best out of their games, they are called enthusiasts, whether they game on PC or console. You chose lower end gaming, the cheap way, nothing wrong with that, there are the same low end options if you choose PC gaming.
Is high end PC gaming worth it? Oh yes, so is high end console gaming.
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Crysis (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z245/The_Darkness62/Crysis/crysis642009-10-1108-20-58-22.jpg)
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S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/STALKERCoP/xrEngine2010-02-2117-32-38-59.jpg)
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/STALKERCoP/xrEngine2010-02-2117-33-42-97.jpg)
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/STALKERCoP/xrEngine2010-02-0922-00-24-58.jpg)
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/STALKERCoP/xrEngine2010-02-1100-59-00-99.jpg)
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/STALKERCoP/xrEngine2010-02-1100-59-15-11.jpg)
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/STALKERCoP/xrEngine2010-02-1120-48-07-71.jpg)
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/STALKERCoP/xrEngine2010-02-1120-48-40-83.jpg)
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/STALKERCoP/xrEngine2010-02-1121-48-27-55.jpg)
Serious Sam HD (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/SeriousSamHD/SamHD2010-01-0821-44-08-11.jpg)
Serious Sam HD (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/SeriousSamHD/SamHD2010-01-0821-44-14-72.jpg)
Serious Sam HD (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/SeriousSamHD/SamHD2010-01-1014-25-59-09.jpg)
GTA IV (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/GTAIV/GTAIV2010-01-0719-55-25-18.jpg)
GTA IV (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/GTAIV/GTAIV2010-01-0719-59-47-79.jpg)
GTA IV (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/GTAIV/GTAIV2010-01-0722-25-06-36.jpg)
AvP DX11 (http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy288/Darkness_62/AvPDX11/AvP_DX112010-05-1500-28-14-14.jpg)
AvP DX11 (http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy288/Darkness_62/AvPDX11/AvP_DX112010-05-1601-52-08-87.jpg)
AvP DX11 (http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy288/Darkness_62/AvPDX11/AvP_DX112010-05-1802-19-45-04.jpg)
So yeah, if you are willing to pay, it is well worth it.
McGee
07-11-2010, 05:29 PM
Once again, it goes over the button mashers head, just like you don't have to spend the cash on console gaming (as you have, which is fine). Some do, like me, 52 " HD TV $500 surround sound , and the PS3. I want the best from console experience as well, as my PC gaming experience. I am older been gaming since the 80s. I have a career and somewhat supportive wife (She bought me the PS3 for Valentine's Day) that allows me to spend that money. The same goes for PC gaming, as you have done with console gaming, you don't have to spend a lot of cash to game, but if you want the best, you have to pay for it.
Some people want the best out of their games, they are called enthusiasts, whether they game on PC or console. You chose lower end gaming, the cheap way, nothing wrong with that, there are the same low end options if you choose PC gaming.
Is high end PC gaming worth it? Oh yes, so is high end console gaming.
Crysis Warhead (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z245/The_Darkness62/CrysisWarhead/Crysis2009-09-2913-16-16-93.jpg)
Crysis Warhead (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z245/The_Darkness62/CrysisWarhead/crysis642009-09-2922-02-18-12.jpg)
Crysis Warhead (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z245/The_Darkness62/CrysisWarhead/crysis642009-09-2922-04-38-36.jpg)
Crysis (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z245/The_Darkness62/Crysis/crysis642009-10-1108-20-58-22.jpg)
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Cryostasis (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/Cryostasis/cryostasis2009-10-1707-43-54-09.jpg)
Half Life 2 Cinematic Mod (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/HalfLife2CinematicMod/hl22009-11-0614-01-31-68.jpg)
Half Life 2 Cinematic Mod (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/HalfLife2CinematicMod/hl22009-11-0614-01-35-90.jpg)
Half Life 2 Cinematic Mod (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/HalfLife2CinematicMod/hl22009-11-0614-03-48-51.jpg)
Half Life 2 Cinematic Mod (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/HalfLife2CinematicMod/hl22009-11-0614-16-43-22.jpg)
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/STALKERCoP/xrEngine2010-02-2114-17-08-97.jpg)
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/STALKERCoP/xrEngine2010-02-2117-32-38-59.jpg)
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/STALKERCoP/xrEngine2010-02-2117-33-42-97.jpg)
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/STALKERCoP/xrEngine2010-02-0922-00-24-58.jpg)
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/STALKERCoP/xrEngine2010-02-1100-59-00-99.jpg)
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/STALKERCoP/xrEngine2010-02-1100-59-15-11.jpg)
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/STALKERCoP/xrEngine2010-02-1120-48-07-71.jpg)
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/STALKERCoP/xrEngine2010-02-1120-48-40-83.jpg)
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/STALKERCoP/xrEngine2010-02-1121-48-27-55.jpg)
Serious Sam HD (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/SeriousSamHD/SamHD2010-01-0821-44-08-11.jpg)
Serious Sam HD (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/SeriousSamHD/SamHD2010-01-0821-44-14-72.jpg)
Serious Sam HD (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/SeriousSamHD/SamHD2010-01-1014-25-59-09.jpg)
GTA IV (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/GTAIV/GTAIV2010-01-0719-55-25-18.jpg)
GTA IV (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/GTAIV/GTAIV2010-01-0719-59-47-79.jpg)
GTA IV (http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac205/Darkness62/GTAIV/GTAIV2010-01-0722-25-06-36.jpg)
AvP DX11 (http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy288/Darkness_62/AvPDX11/AvP_DX112010-05-1500-28-14-14.jpg)
AvP DX11 (http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy288/Darkness_62/AvPDX11/AvP_DX112010-05-1601-52-08-87.jpg)
AvP DX11 (http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy288/Darkness_62/AvPDX11/AvP_DX112010-05-1802-19-45-04.jpg)
So yeah, if you are willing to pay, it is well worth it.
So they look pretty, but would hardly spend 1000's of dollars just to have a pretty game:p
Rebel44
07-11-2010, 05:46 PM
So they look pretty, but would hardly spend 1000's of dollars just to have a pretty game:p
Decent gaming PC can be buil for 700$.
Argen_EsB
07-11-2010, 05:56 PM
Decent gaming PC can be buil for 700$.
Plus, you don't need a 40" screen. I still do well with my old 17" and stereo +subwoofer speakers. I used a PS3 with a full HD screen for some time, but most of their games didn't look that great in comparison with some of my PC games. And my PC is pretty outdated by today's standards.
Darkness62
07-11-2010, 06:04 PM
You two are wasting keystrokes on this clown, clearly he doesn't get it. Some just need to justify making the weaker choice, he needs to feel better about his choice, and I guess that is fine. Let him have his delusions.
@ OP There, there button masher, everything is going to be ok, your XBox version of Mafia 2 will look just fine. No reason to be jealous. :rolleyes:
Edit: As a side note to gaming on a 52" TV, my laptop does that too. Wireless keyboard, mouse and logitec game pad. Ultra Super XBox 360. XD
HD TV (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z245/The_Darkness62/HDMI%20TV/DSCN1307.jpg)
HD TV (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z245/The_Darkness62/HDMI%20TV/DSCN1308.jpg)
HD TV (http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z245/The_Darkness62/HDMI%20TV/DSCN1328.jpg)
A little Ghostbusters no upscale 1080p on the Ultra XBox. XD
i would have a pc over a console any time, no matter the costs! :) plain simple.
Sadly games like Uncharted 2 still looks better than DX11 games like Metro 2033 and AvP and PC only games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Call of Pripyat
Darkness62
07-11-2010, 06:24 PM
Sadly games like Uncharted 2 still looks better than DX11 games like Metro 2033 and AvP and PC only games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Call of Pripyat
ROFL!!!!! I'll throw it in the PS3 now and check it, be right back.
Edit: Oops, nope, looks like your obvious attempt at trolling has failed. :(
Here's the new ending of Portal as your prize.
Portal Ending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1MP5blYB70)
Graphics is not only about pixels. It's about aesthetics, having a great art director and such.
But yes, multiplatform games looks beter on pc and Uncharted 2 would also look better pc.
But gaming is about games, not pixels.
EDIT:
@Darkness62: I'm not trolling.:rolleyes:
SirWatkinz
07-11-2010, 06:41 PM
You can get a PC that can play Mafia 2 for a little more than a console costs, a computer you can use for more than just games, and the game will still look better than the out dated hardware on your current FAILBox, not as good as the top of the line PC, but still quite nice. Just what is it you button mashing console-tards don't get?
Most people have a computer the more you spend the better the game looks. Console and high end TV to make the games look good (well as good as they can look on 5 + year old hardware) is quite a lot of money correct? The more you spend on your console gaming system (really all you can add is high end TV and sound system) the "better" it will look.
Is it really worth it to spend $300 + on the console, $1000 + for the TV, $500 + for the sound system and $10 to $20 more for every game for ugly graphics, eye watering jaggies, screen tearing, awkward controls, and up-scaled faked 1080p? Hmmmm I wonder? Just curious, I am a proud PS3 owner (a fantastic addition to my gaming notebook) and a former FAILBox owner (I rebuilt it myself from RRoD FAILBox) wasn't worth the $40 I paid for it so I gave it away.
Just what the **** is it you don't get, some people just chose to be more enthusiastic about other things than gaming. Seriously you should stop spending so many money on your ugly outdated Toshiba, and spend them on a new carpet or sandals or something like that you ignorant prick.
Why the hell do you own a Wii and an Xbox when you're clearly such a PC fanboy?
And serious you have a wife? Is she blind and deaf or something, i highly doubt any woman would like to spend more than 20 min. in you're childish presence!
Darkness62
07-11-2010, 06:46 PM
Just what the **** is it you don't get, some people just chose to be more enthusiastic about other things than gaming. Seriously you should stop spending so many money on your ugly outdated Toshiba, and spend them on a new carpet or sandals or something like that you ignorant prick.
Why the hell do you own a Wii and an Xbox when you're clearly such a PC fanboy?
And serious you have a wife? Is she blind and deaf or something, i highly doubt any woman would like to spend more than 20 min. in you're childish presence!
Another button masher that doesn't get it. Console-tards are hopeless. What a useless dick smack.
ThaCrip
07-11-2010, 06:49 PM
I know many members here are pc gamers, but there's something I don't get it. To get your PC to play games like Mafia 2, Crysis 2, etc..it costs hundreds, of thousands of dollars. Then you have to make sure you keep staying fresh, and buying the newest and latest.
But is it really worth it? I mean are graphics that BIG of a deal to spend so much money for video games???? I mean it's weird.
to me it's not really about the graphics but mostly because i find the MOUSE + KEYBOARD FAR more accurate than a Controllers Analog stick. that reason alone is what keeps PC games clearly ahead of console games when it comes to shooter type games.
because shooters are so much easier to play with a mouse because of it's quick precise aim which you just can't do on a analog stick (only way i can play shooters on consoles is with a aiming assists like what Red Dead Redemption has but even then it takes most of the fun out the shooting since the lock on feature does most of the work for you). for me there is a night and day difference. a mouse just feels much more natural to track stuff on screen. because if you can use a mouse fairly well to point and click at stuff on screen (which most people who use a PC can) then it's just flat out better.
but at the end of the day i think a lot of PC gamers will agree with me in the core sense of the 'mouse+keyboard' being pretty much the #1 reason they like PC games when it comes to stuff where you have to use the mouse to aim and shoot stuff on screen.
p.s. if the consoles ever incorporated a quality mouse+keyboard option then odds are i would probably not bother to much with PC gaming because since vast majority of games i play are some form of shooting that pretty much means i got to use a mouse+keyboard to play it.
SirWatkinz
07-11-2010, 06:51 PM
Another button masher that doesn't get it. Console-tards are hopeless. What a useless dick smack.
Button masher? Just got a Sony Vaio Z-series because the last one broke down, so i would say that i'm perfectly capable of playing PC games, i just prefer the Xbox/Playstation controller over a keyboard, thus i just bought a new lcd and sorround sound so i prefer playing it on the big screen.
What is it you don't get? I like it simple!
ThaCrip
07-11-2010, 07:00 PM
i just prefer the Xbox/Playstation controller over a keyboard
over the keyboard yes, but definitely not over the mouse ;)...
...and the mouse dictates what is ultimately better in my book because it's just flat out easier to aim with a mouse vs a analog stick.
because aiming is a huge factor in shooting games like Mafia II.
SirWatkinz
07-11-2010, 07:04 PM
over the keyboard yes, but definitely not over the mouse ;)...
...and the mouse dictates what is ultimately better in my book because it's just flat out easier to aim with a mouse vs a analog stick.
because aiming is a huge factor in shooting games like Mafia II.
You're absolutely right, but after some time the joystick feels really natural, and it would be awkward if i used a mouse while sitting in my sofa.
It's easier, but it's not alwasy more fun. I enjoy playing shooter games on consoles as much I enjoy playing them on my pc.
But for me is more fun to play third person shooters on a controller and I played GTA IV with a wired xbox 360 controller on my pc. And having analog triggers really does make a more enjoyable experience for me.
Styvesant
07-11-2010, 07:22 PM
It's a matter of choice of course. While people may say "Consoles RULE!" others will say the same about the PC. I saw my friend play on 52" CoD it was horrific. I thought I could see each pixel; could hardly watch. But for him it was perfect cause he didn't give a damn about the graphics, he liked the game and enjoyed playing it. Whilst if my games are not run on FULL graphics, I will most likely not play.
Yeah it sucks upgrading, always a new gfx card, always a new processor, better monitors, better ram, hard drives, but I don't really have a problem with it, because I am always one gen behind, so I gradually save up and get something better. I think of it as a hobby, so I don't really mind it. Nothing better than putting a computer together and giving it life - then running a game that you couldn't run before, only to realise that there is already a game that will destroy your PC, and so the cycle continues.
Is it worth it? For me it is. Realistically? Nah, wouldn't say so. But I still do it.
Fugue
07-11-2010, 07:23 PM
system wars, always good popcorn threads :D
I enjoy playing games, why would I, or anyone else care what anyone plays their's on?
it's just for the sake of name calling on forums, nothing more.
Is it really worth paying $1,600,000 on a new car? Most people would say no, but if you love cars and you have a lot of money you'll disagree. Same goes for hi-end computers, and anything else in this world for that matter.
Darkness62
07-11-2010, 07:31 PM
Button masher? Just got a Sony Vaio Z-series because the last one broke down, so i would say that i'm perfectly capable of playing PC games, i just prefer the Xbox/Playstation controller over a keyboard, thus i just bought a new lcd and sorround sound so i prefer playing it on the big screen.
What is it you don't get? I like it simple!
You are simple all right, and fail at reading comprehension. Perhaps go back and read from the start? Dumbass...
Are you serious about having a wife? You do sound like a teenager to me.
ThaCrip
07-11-2010, 07:55 PM
It's easier, but it's not alwasy more fun.
this is where i would have to disagree simply because when i use a controller to aim it feels like i am being handicapped to where i know i could play the game better if i had a mouse and keyboard. (i guess if my skill level was at a certain level to where i could free aim and generally not have to much of a problem tracking stuff on screen fairly quick then odds are i would not HEAVILY favor the PC like i do now but i just don't think ill ever be able to put in the time to get to that level as the last time i used consoles for shooters was basically on N64 with GoldenEye which was prior to modern shooters which came along with PS2/XBox (i.e. 2000-2001+) and by that time i was to used to using a mouse+keyboard on stuff like Quake games and Counter-Strike etc and i could just not go back after i felt the greatness of a mouses aim.
so to me it's always more fun on a mouse vs a analog stick because of that.
plus it actually feels like your PLAYING on a mouse as it's all on you instead of the trade off's consoles usually have where if you free aim it gets rid of the cheapness but then free aiming (with no aiming assists) is just to difficult. or you can get a aiming system like Red Dead Redemption when then i can play it but overall it takes most of the fun out of aiming since you just basically get in the ball park of the guy your trying to shoot and lock on and shoot. but i think RDR's lock on system ain't to bad as at least i could play it and overall enjoy the game even though it would be more fun using genuine aiming on a mouse.
it would be awkward if i used a mouse while sitting in my sofa.
i will agree with you here but still at the end of the day... you already know what i am going to say ;)
Tez Jaggs
07-11-2010, 08:41 PM
You are simple all right, and fail at reading comprehension. Perhaps go back and read from the start? Dumbass...
its a bit of a cheek to call someone else a troll, when you obviously are one.
your wife must be one dumb ***** to be with someone as pathetic as you.
is she a big fat monster he/she?
oh and btw 52inches is not impressive, are you on a tight budget?
Mafioso
07-11-2010, 08:54 PM
Calm down kids, if you cant play nice. There will be no Mafia 2 untill 2011.:D
Fugue wrote "I enjoy playing games, why would I, or anyone else care what anyone plays their's on? it's just for the sake of name calling on forums, nothing more." Yepp kind of sad really. :(
PC vs Consoles who cares.
Argen_EsB
07-11-2010, 08:56 PM
I prefer the PC over a console, specially in shooters and multiplatform games like Mafia II. I prefer to play with my small screen, modest sound system and the unbeatable keyboard + mouser combo. I agree, though, that some games are better played with a gamepad, like the driving parts in games like GTA, Far Cry 2 and Mafia, so that's why I bought a wired Xbox 360 controller.
However, this doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to have a console, I would only buy one just for its exclusive game. I did that in fact, I had a PS3 for a time and I really enjoyed some of its exclusive jewels like Uncharted, Killzone 2 and MGS4. They have nice graphics, gameplay and story but in no way they look better than a PC game. Artistically they look great, but technologically they had nothing new that I haven't seen before in a modern PC game.
Crysis laughs at console game's graphics, but sadly the game itself wasn't the best part of Crysis, just a generic shooter, with a lame and uninspired story but übercool graphics.
JJjoinut99
07-11-2010, 09:15 PM
Uh what? I have a used 360 for 100 bucks, and have a old non hd tv. I can't believe some people care about graphics SO MUCH they would spend that much money. Wow some people are really superficial...:rolleyes:
If the game if fun, then I'm game. Could care less about graphics, and screen tearing and what not...
yep i agree. i do play on consoles, but i see where your coming from. good graphics are nice, but when they take the front seat it is just silly. :rolleyes:
JJjoinut99
07-11-2010, 09:15 PM
Calm down kids, if you cant play nice. There will be no Mafia 2 untill 2011.:D
Fugue wrote "I enjoy playing games, why would I, or anyone else care what anyone plays their's on? it's just for the sake of name calling on forums, nothing more." Yepp kind of sad really. :(
PC vs Consoles who cares.
well said. :D
The Janitor
07-11-2010, 09:21 PM
It's a shame that PC gaming has got a bad reputation about being so expensive, it's just not true. Just because designer PCs like alienware cost so much, it's the brand you're paying for. If you shop smart, or build it yourself you don't have to spend that much. And why does everyone seem to think you have to upgrade all the time? Not necessary at all unless you wanna crank up all the settings to max with every new game. Which by the way no console can do. And I would never wanna play Crysis 2 on consoles, not just because it would look much worse but the analog sticks would hold me back so much. I'm supposed to move like a super soldier but with the controller it's like I'm a tired fat guy :p
plus it actually feels like your PLAYING on a mouse as it's all on you instead of the trade off's consoles usually have where if you free aim it gets rid of the cheapness but then free aiming (with no aiming assists) is just to difficult. or you can get a aiming system like Red Dead Redemption when then i can play it but overall it takes most of the fun out of aiming since you just basically get in the ball park of the guy your trying to shoot and lock on and shoot. but i think RDR's lock on system ain't to bad as at least i could play it and overall enjoy the game even though it would be more fun using genuine aiming on a mouse.
Here I have to disagree. I played RDR with the Expert aim setting (the one without the aim assists) and i still found the game to be too easy.
Free aiming on consoles is easy when you get the hang on it.
Tez Jaggs
07-11-2010, 09:26 PM
It's a shame that PC gaming has got a bad reputation about being so expensive, it's just not true. Just because designer PCs like alienware cost so much, it's the brand you're paying for. If you shop smart, or build it yourself you don't have to spend that much. And why does everyone seem to think you have to upgrade all the time? Not necessary at all unless you wanna crank up all the settings to max with every new game. Which by the way no console can do. And I would never wanna play Crysis 2 on consoles, not just because it would look much worse but the analog sticks would hold me back so much. I'm supposed to move like a super soldier but with the controller it's like I'm a tired fat guy :p
the irony is that as you are a pc gamer, you most probably are a old tired fat guy.
ilblogics
07-11-2010, 09:28 PM
PC vs. Consoles is a complicated argument.
It all depends on personal preference. Some people enjoy sitting on a couch with a controller whilst others prefer sitting at a desk with a mouse and keyboard.
Both platforms have their advantages and disadvantages.
Console Advantages:
1. Can lay down on a lounge with a controller and play a video game
2. Pretty much guaranteed that every game you buy is going work
3. In most cases cheaper then a PC
Console Disadvantages:
1. Abuse from 10 year olds
2. Some console services such as Xbox Live make you pay for multiplayer and new demos.
PC Advantages:
1. Graphical quality is better due to new hardware being released frequently thus allowing developers to make PC versions of games with tessellation, PhysX and such
2. Less abuse from 10 year olds
3. Multiplayer is usually free except for MMOs and certain greedy developers
4. Mods, trainers, ports of old games
PC Disadvantages:
1. Annoying DRM incorporated into games
2. People that aren't computer savvy might buy a game and it won't run on their system
JJjoinut99
07-11-2010, 09:29 PM
the irony is that as you are a pc gamer, you most probably are a old tired fat guy.
hehe i love these forums. :)
Argen_EsB
07-11-2010, 09:31 PM
It's a shame that PC gaming has got a bad reputation about being so expensive, it's just not true. Just because designer PCs like alienware cost so much, it's the brand you're paying for. If you shop smart, or build it yourself you don't have to spend that much. And why does everyone seem to think you have to upgrade all the time? Not necessary at all unless you wanna crank up all the settings to max with every new game. Which by the way no console can do. And I would never wanna play Crysis 2 on consoles, not just because it would look much worse but the analog sticks would hold me back so much. I'm supposed to move like a super soldier but with the controller it's like I'm a tired fat guy :p
I have my PC since 2007 and I only upgraded it twice: a little of more ram and a better GPU, and I can still play modern games with little to no problems. The game is what matters, the graphics are secondary if your PC can't handle them all.
Obviously, if you want to play any PC game flawlessly, with all at max, that includes the FSAA on a big screen, then you will need for a high end PC with at least 2 GPUs.
Again, I don't really need to do that in order to enjoy a good game on my PC.
JJjoinut99
07-11-2010, 09:32 PM
Console Disadvantages:
1. Abuse from 10 year olds
2. Some console services such as Xbox Live make you pay for multiplayer and new demos.
hehe yeah live and little kids screaming down my Xbox microphone REALLY annoys me. :)
PC Disadvantages:
1. Annoying DRM incorporated into games
2. People that aren't computer savvy might buy a game and it won't run on their system
excuse my computer ignorance, but What is DRM?
The Janitor
07-11-2010, 09:32 PM
the irony is that as you are a pc gamer, you most probably are a old tired fat guy.
lol! Actually I'm 19 years old and I lift weights in my spare time :D
Tez Jaggs
07-11-2010, 09:35 PM
hehe i love these forums. :)
it was a joke by the way.
as other people have stated it is completely down to the individual's preference.
people like darkness62 are just elitists that think they are above people even though the irony is that they are complete nerds and are on the lower end of society's ladder, so he is below other people.
he boasts about a 52inch telly.
try a 63inch.
but like i said it is totally down to personal preference in which case no-one is right or wrong.
it is the individual's choice.
Styvesant
07-11-2010, 09:40 PM
excuse my computer ignorance, but What is DRM?
Digital Right Management. It's a piracy protection crap.
Digital Right Management. It's a piracy protection crap.
It's a piracy protection crap that messes with the honest gamers who buy games and does nothing for preventing piracy, because pirates crack the game and remove DRM.
chalkman
07-11-2010, 10:21 PM
I know many members here are pc gamers, but there's something I don't get it. To get your PC to play games like Mafia 2, Crysis 2, etc..it costs hundreds, of thousands of dollars. Then you have to make sure you keep staying fresh, and buying the newest and latest.
But is it really worth it? I mean are graphics that BIG of a deal to spend so much money for video games???? I mean it's weird.
If its a good game, it's a good game and what it takes to run it is easy if you stay on top of the upgrade cycle and don't get too far behind the curve. That is why i am such an advocate of tweaking and overclocking.
I rarely pay $50 for a game anymore - used to back i the day, but now i mostly only buy from Steam sales. 4th of july I spent 70 bucks and got around 10 great games (like just cause 2 for example, and Operation Flashpoint DR).
As far as hardware is concerned, yes it costs be probably 500-600 annually to stay fresh, but it is worth it. I use my PC for a lot of things other than gaming, including some things that actually bring in cash so that helps.
chalkman
07-11-2010, 10:23 PM
It's a piracy protection crap that messes with the honest gamers who buy games and does nothing for preventing piracy, because pirates crack the game and remove DRM.
Yep. It is so funny and sad that the only ones who have to worry about the DRM's typically are us, the legitimate gamers.
Genovese1311
07-12-2010, 12:07 AM
Digital Right Management. It's a piracy protection crap.
That doesn't work btw... Bought ACII (dumb thing to do i know), i got pissed off after a week so i uninstalled it, then i waited for a month for a crack release that works... I'm playing the skidrow version now and currently i'm in Venice, think i'm near the end now... F**K YOU UBISOFT!!!
Styvesant
07-12-2010, 12:29 AM
That doesn't work btw... Bought ACII (dumb thing to do i know), i got pissed off after a week so i uninstalled it, then i waited for a month for a crack release that works... I'm playing the skidrow version now and currently i'm in Venice, think i'm near the end now... F**K YOU UBISOFT!!!
I didn't have a single problem with it. Guess I am one of the lucky ones.
Console Advantages:
1. Can lay down on a lounge with a controller and play a video game
2. Pretty much guaranteed that every game you buy is going work
uhmm, NOOO!
1.why cant you get a controller/gamepad and lay down when playing a pc game??? :)
2.but at what costs? lower quality looks, slow framerates at times etc. a good pc will not have this problems, money is not a problem for a gamer that respects himself.
and to the dbag who said uncharted looks better than new pc games... you're not that smart, and a fanboy! :)
Which PC game does look better than Uncharted 2? All the newer games are console ports and only have better textures, better AA, higher resolution compared to console versions. Uncharted 2 for me has more breathtaking and visualy stunning moments than any other game.
Metro 2033 and AvP with DX11 don't look anything like that.
And yes, Uncharted 2 would look even better on a high end pc.
you did not put uncharted 2 next to a lcd with bc2 or crysis running next to it, thatw why!
uncharted 2 has open big areas, stuff new to consoles... bc2 has these too, just cause 2 the same, even bigger...
Bigger areas = better graphic? I don't think so. Just cause 2 world feels generic.
Crysis looks great but you only see the jungle. Technically is better looking than Uncharted 2, but not artistically.
Vistas in uncharted 2 look fantastic and anything but generic. (Unlike to what you see in Just Cause 2)
To me it's all about aesthetics.
chalkman
07-12-2010, 02:29 AM
Hmm, I don't know but JC2 looks pretty good to me on pc. But open world games have to go easy on textures or it will easily overload the capacity of Vid memory i would say, other than that the draw distance would be incredibly short.
JC2 on pc does look good. But it does have a lot of generic buildings. They are nowhere near as well thought as the ones in Mafia II and Uncharted 2.
The Janitor
07-12-2010, 03:24 AM
Crysis looks great but you only see the jungle. Technically is better looking than Uncharted 2, but not artistically
Have you played it? Because there are very cool levels like the alien core and ice levels.
Have you played it? Because there are very cool levels like the alien core and ice levels.
Of course I've played Crysis and Crysis Warhead. They were good games. I didn't liked those ice levels that much. I found earlier levels to be more fun.
But Uncharted 2 still looks better to me. (Artistically, not technically. Crysis with some of the mods is still technically the best looking game out there)
Fugue
07-12-2010, 03:55 AM
tbh I really didn't think the "other world" sections of Crysis added anything to the game, a lot of games do this, it's like they decide they need variety for the sake of it, I would have preferred to carry on with the jungle stuff, which was great.
Uncharted 2 has some extraordinary moments when these huge scenes open up in front of you, it can't compare to Crysis tech but I agree, artistically it's much much better.
Finally someone who agrees with me. :D
And yeah, "other world" section really didn't add anything to the game, and driving that "helicopter" was awful.
ThatBadAssMofo
07-12-2010, 05:36 AM
To defend the price of PCs costing more than consoles, you do more than just play games on a a computer. Like the internet for example...its got some pretty nifty stuff. ;)
1Sicilian1
07-12-2010, 05:37 AM
uhmm, NOOO!
1.why cant you get a controller/gamepad and lay down when playing a pc game??? :)
2.but at what costs? lower quality looks, slow framerates at times etc. a good pc will not have this problems, money is not a problem for a gamer that respects himself.
and to the dbag who said uncharted looks better than new pc games... you're not that smart, and a fanboy! :)
wow ^
Let me get this straight...so because i dont have excess amounts of money, i can never be a respectable gamer? Take away this fellows posting privaleges 2k lol.
p.s. Your comments are very pc fanboyish.
you understood what you wanted... :)
have a nice day!
To defend the price of PCs costing more than consoles, you do more than just play games on a a computer. Like the internet for example...its got some pretty nifty stuff. ;)
You do watch Blu-ray movies on PS3 and you can even go online.
You don't really need a super computer to go online and have some work done.
I still have 3 computers though. :D
1Sicilian1
07-12-2010, 06:18 AM
you understood what you wanted... :)
have a nice day!
Oh, have i somehow misunderstood your meaning on what is takes to be self respecting gamer? If so, please elaborate.
ilblogics
07-12-2010, 06:36 AM
uhmm, NOOO!
1.why cant you get a controller/gamepad and lay down when playing a pc game??? :)
2.but at what costs? lower quality looks, slow framerates at times etc. a good pc will not have this problems, money is not a problem for a gamer that respects himself.
and to the dbag who said uncharted looks better than new pc games... you're not that smart, and a fanboy! :)
Your right, you can get a controller or gamepad and lay down and play a PC game but why would you? Sort of defeats the purpose of the PC mouse + keyboard.
I don't think the player would really care after a long day of work that the graphics aren't as good as the PC version.:p
Don't get me wrong, I'm a PC gamer but I'm saying different people prefer different things. Do you really think that someone playing on the 360 comes home, slaps in a copy of GTA IV or Borderlands and sits there playing it thinking about how the graphics aren't as good as the PC?
I've talked to console gamers about the graphics and controls and what not and frankly they don't really care or they can't afford it.
Darkness62
07-12-2010, 06:52 AM
is she a big fat monster he/she?
We talking about your ***** mom now? No thanks no one wants to marry a used up hooker, she really lost her figure since she ☺☺☺☺ you out on the floor of the brothel.
oh and btw 52inches is not impressive, are you on a tight budget?
Really? You raise your prices for BJs down at the dock? Guess all that sailor **** paid off, congrats on the 100" TV and the 52" gaping *******. Console-tards insults are limp and useless like their genitals. :p
Tez Jaggs
07-12-2010, 07:18 AM
We talking about your ***** mom now? No thanks no one wants to marry a used up hooker, she really lost her figure since she ☺☺☺☺ you out on the floor of the brothel.
Really? You raise your prices for BJs down at the dock? Guess all that sailor **** paid off, congrats on the 100" TV and the 52" gaping *******. Console-tards insults are limp and useless like their genitals. :p
your mum insults?? REALLY??
epic fail.
Mafiashock
07-12-2010, 07:20 AM
We talking about your ***** mom now? No thanks no one wants to marry a used up hooker, she really lost her figure since she ☺☺☺☺ you out on the floor of the brothel.
Really? You raise your prices for BJs down at the dock? Guess all that sailor **** paid off, congrats on the 100" TV and the 52" gaping *******. Console-tards insults are limp and useless like their genitals. :p
No way you're married lol. Based on your comments my guess is you're no older than 15.
Tez Jaggs
07-12-2010, 07:22 AM
No way you're married lol. Based on your comments my guess is your no older than 15.
i agree, he is the definition of fail
brendensavi
07-12-2010, 07:34 AM
Let's keep things proper, gentleman. PC gaming certainly isn't my cup of tea. I prefer to relax with a cup of coffee by my side as I play my 360, but obviously there are some pretty avid PC gaming enthusiasts out there who are content with paying top dollar to keep their computers performing at their best.
Gaming in general is quite an expensive habit, and one could argue that it's hardly worth it, but what equates to being "worth it" is entirely different for everyone. In short, if it makes you happy, and you're not hindering the well being of you or your family in the process. Then yes, I certainly think it's worth it.
Your right, you can get a controller or gamepad and lay down and play a PC game but why would you? Sort of defeats the purpose of the PC mouse + keyboard.
I don't think the player would really care after a long day of work that the graphics aren't as good as the PC version.:p
Don't get me wrong, I'm a PC gamer but I'm saying different people prefer different things. Do you really think that someone playing on the 360 comes home, slaps in a copy of GTA IV or Borderlands and sits there playing it thinking about how the graphics aren't as good as the PC?
I've talked to console gamers about the graphics and controls and what not and frankly they don't really care or they can't afford it.
1. there is a keyboard for ps3, mouse idk. :)
2.wireless keyboard and mouse, 5 m from the pc, works great.
3. yes, there are people who complain about console graphics being worst that that of a pc.
4. do not generalize things, there are people and people... :)
but obviously there are some pretty avid PC gaming enthusiasts out there who are content with paying top dollar to keep their computers performing at their best.
Gaming in general is quite an expensive habit, and one could argue that it's hardly worth it, but what equates to being "worth it" is entirely different for everyone. In short, if it makes you happy, and you're not hindering the well being of you or your family in the process. Then yes, I certainly think it's worth it.
+1
very well said! :)
ilblogics
07-12-2010, 08:43 AM
1. there is a keyboard for ps3, mouse idk. :)
2.wireless keyboard and mouse, 5 m from the pc, works great.
3. yes, there are people who complain about console graphics being worst that that of a pc.
4. do not generalize things, there are people and people... :)
No, no, no. Your not interpreting my post correctly.
I'm not saying that consoles don't support keyboards and mouses. I do believe there are some games on console that do. I'm saying that console players would rather use a controller then keyboard/mouse in most cases.
Also, I know there are people who complain about console graphics being worse. I'm one of them! I'll be at a friends place watching them play a game on console and I usually do say something about the PC version looking better and they usually say that they can't afford a mid - high end computer or they just enjoy the console controls better.
Personally I'll stick with PC gaming. I love the mouse/keyboard and my setup is magical :)
Sande
07-12-2010, 09:51 PM
Here I have to disagree. I played RDR with the Expert aim setting (the one without the aim assists) and i still found the game to be too easy.
Free aiming on consoles is easy when you get the hang on it.
I agree, aiming in shooters works very well if you're experienced with the controller. Saying mouse+keyboard is thousand times better just because you can't use a controller for sh** is pretty stupid.
For the record I'd prefer a computer but I just can't afford one.
Argen_EsB
07-12-2010, 10:25 PM
I agree, aiming in shooters works very well if you're experienced with the controller. Saying mouse+keyboard is thousand times better just because you can't use a controller for sh** is pretty stupid.
For the record I'd prefer a computer but I just can't afford one.
I dunno if it's better for everyone, but for me aiming with the mouse it's more natural than struggling with the analogic stick. Also, I've played shooters both on PC and consoles, both exclusives and multiplatforms, and I reached to the conclusion that console shooters are easier in most cases, the enemy AI is not very sharp, specially in comparison with PC exclusive shooters.
I doubt that a game like STALKER would do well with a console controller, not without modifying the scheme of the game since you have a pretty smart AI for the most part and a lot of quick access keys for medpacks, bandages, change ammo type, switch fire modes, and the inventory is pretty rough to manage it. Even with a mouse and keyboard that game is pretty tricky.
It's a typical PC FPS with all its quirks. Console shooters are designed in a simplified manner, with varied results. This is the reason, partially, for why I don't support multiplatforming on every new game that is on development.
I know, console gamers might not like this, it's an uncomfortable thruth, wether you like it or not, but hey I was a console gamer for a short time, I understand that.
The best thing that the devs can do in order to please everybody is to optimize the gameplay for every platform without changing its essence.
They are talking about making STALKER 2 or maybe a STALKER 1 port for consoles. We'll see how that goes.
Argen_EsB
07-12-2010, 11:30 PM
They are talking about making STALKER 2 or maybe a STALKER 1 port for consoles. We'll see how that goes.
That's what the wiki article says. I dunno what they really want to do, their manpower is not that strong, it took a lot of years to them for making the X-Ray engine and Shadow of Chernobyl. If what they want to do is true, then you can kiss STALKER as we know it now goodbye. Prepare for dumbed down, half-assed releases.
Fugue
07-12-2010, 11:42 PM
This is the reason, partially, for why I don't support multiplatforming on every new game that is on development.
I agree, I love really challenging/realistic games and it's true you don't really see them much any more, but tbh I don't think publishers can afford to ignore the console market when it has grown so big in a relatively short time.
I would love to see more very realistic games in series like H&D, Swat etc but I don't think it'll ever happen.
Argen_EsB
07-13-2010, 12:05 AM
I agree, I love really challenging/realistic games and it's true you don't really see them much any more, but tbh I don't think publishers can afford to ignore the console market when it has grown so big in a relatively short time.
I would love to see more very realistic games in series like H&D, Swat etc but I don't think it'll ever happen.
Multiplatforming always existed, but nowadays developers are not so willingly to take risks when making their games. Either that or they are running out of ideas. Back then in the golden days, developers used to brainstorm ideas before and during the making of their games just for the sake of fleshing out something new, fresh and cool, to experiment, but now they are going for the easy way and make the games accessible for everybody to ensure good sales.
I think that there's something wrong with the developer-publisher relatioship, that the latter earns most of the income than the former, that the latter has more power in the decision than the former.
Back then, devs either used to publish their own games, or that publishers worked more closely with the development teams. But now they seem more distanced, cold, aloof, like our partnership is only for business, friends are the nuts and we do not.
Also, we gamers were less informed, less participation (other than post on primitive forums or send an e-mail or letter) and had less expectations for the games, and I guess that marketing and costumer scanning were less involved on the design decisions, or even if they were, it was close to the already established fanbase, defending it with claws and teeth, rather than to trying to appeal to total strangers that never played their games. They just dev the games, hope for the best and if they had success they will try to enhance the formula for the next release and porting the game to other platforms if it's viable.
Muffin
07-13-2010, 12:05 AM
Lol, CONSOLE WARS!!!
Fugue
07-13-2010, 12:13 AM
I think that there's something wrong with the developer-publisher relatioship, that the latter earns most of the income than the former.
but that's true of most of the entertainment industry, how many times have you heard the equivalent from a musician?
I disagree about a lack of ideas though, I know many wont agree but being a gamer has got a lot better in the last 5 years, but I don't see the industry through PC tinted specs ;)
I will miss things like stupidly complex flight sims which seem to have all but vanished, and ****** difficult tactical shooters, but there are still some very innovative and beautifully made games out there, and for me the way games are becoming more cinematic in style and presentation is great, that's what I'm looking forward to most in the next 5+ years.
Rook24
07-13-2010, 12:15 AM
I'll do what i did with Mafia 1.
I first bought it for Xbox (which was a horrible port) and then finally bought it for PC.
The difference this time round is that i want to buy it for 360 (bear with me) probably the CE edition then a few years later when i decide to upgrade my PC i will get Mafia 2 for PC (with max settings on of course). The pc game may have gone down in price after a few years and more PCs by that time should have Nvidia Phsyx intergrated. Thats my plan
Muffin
07-13-2010, 12:17 AM
Not a bad plan... but I can't wait and I only have a PC so...
Rook24
07-13-2010, 12:21 AM
Not a bad plan... but I can't wait and I only have a PC so...
thanks, So can your PC handle Mafia 2 Muffin? and do you use a controller?
Muffin
07-13-2010, 12:23 AM
Yeah, it will handle it well (the APEX stuff I dunno) annd Naaah I don't usually use a controller...
Argen_EsB
07-13-2010, 12:23 AM
but that's true of most of the entertainment industry, how many times have you heard the equivalent from a musician?
I disagree about a lack of ideas though, I know many wont agree but being a gamer has got a lot better in the last 5 years, but I don't see the industry through PC tinted specs ;)
I will miss things like stupidly complex flight sims which seem to have all but vanished, and ****** difficult tactical shooters, but there are still some very innovative and beautifully made games out there, and for me the way games are becoming more cinematic in style and presentation is great, that's what I'm looking forward to most in the next 5+ years.
Interestingly, I liked how the games were, up to 5 year ago, both on PC and consoles, since they they started to suck for the most part.
Cinematic approach, that's another of the issues, now games are more like interactive movies rather than real game, and the only real deal is the multiplayer, but not every game has a MP and not every gamer like MPing.
I'll do what i did with Mafia 1.
I first bought it for Xbox (which was a horrible port) and then finally bought it for PC.
The difference this time round is that i want to buy it for 360 (bear with me) probably the CE edition then a few years later when i decide to upgrade my PC i will get Mafia 2 for PC (with max settings on of course). The pc game may have gone down in price after a few years and more PCs by that time should have Nvidia Phsyx intergrated. Thats my plan
Interesting, I heard something similar from other person a couple of years ago. Don't play PC games with high sys requeriments now, specially if your PC sucks, it's best to wait a little longer so you can afford a better PC and play the game in all its glory.
ArchangelX
07-13-2010, 12:28 AM
I don`t mind the market how it is in general today with consoles taking the lead in terms of units sold in gaming, though Steam has for the record done pretty well last year, I think in terms of sales/finances they increased a bit over 200%, do not quote me on that but I think I read it. Of course that is Pc gamers moving away from physical copies to digital distribution but I am not sure if Steam is listed when it comes to sales figures in general as I believe digital services is not included, but I could be wrong.
What I react on in terms of PC and Consoles is basically when games gets ported from Consoles to PC, and not the other way around.
I assume there are costs etc involved, but in my head it makes most sense to make a optimal game for PC with all the features you can, and then port it to consoles.
And as for the original question in mind from a pure costumer point of view in my case then I would for sure say that...yes PC gaming is worth it for me.
Building a PC that is more then sufficient for gaming has become alot cheaper during the last years and the games are cheaper then console games as well, and in addtition if I can AFFORD a PC then it will always be worth it for me because it is like I prefer to play. Do not get me wrong I enjoyed MOH, MGS and Gran Turismo on console, so I am not anti-console or anything.
But as Fugue pointed out on PC I wish there would be more companies that would dare to take more chances in making more realistic and difficult games.
Though truth be told Bohemia Interactive Studios have done well with Flashpoint Cold War Crisis and the current Armed Assault series, but I am surprised someone has not challenged them yet...and no Codemasters Dragon Rising does not count :p
Xardas
07-13-2010, 06:45 AM
Just wanted to remind you guys to keep all conversation cordial in this thread. As most of you know, we've had plenty of trouble with PC vs. Console thread in the past and they've all been closed. You guys seem to have gotten back on track so keep it that way. Thanks. :)
Fugue
07-13-2010, 06:59 AM
Though truth be told Bohemia Interactive Studios have done well with Flashpoint Cold War Crisis and the current Armed Assault series, but I am surprised someone has not challenged them yet...
but OFP came out at a time when games like that could be successful, and quickly built a huge fanbase, I really can't see another publisher doing anything like that now.
Charles_Australia
07-13-2010, 03:42 PM
I know many members here are pc gamers, but there's something I don't get it. To get your PC to play games like Mafia 2, Crysis 2, etc..it costs hundreds, of thousands of dollars. Then you have to make sure you keep staying fresh, and buying the newest and latest.
But is it really worth it? I mean are graphics that BIG of a deal to spend so much money for video games???? I mean it's weird.
ok im just going to state these facts
1. i personally only have to do major upgrades every 2 years and it only cost ussaly less then $250 and 1gb of ram costs $25
2.Max the graphics and gameplay
3.Mods thats one of the reasons i love pc gaming mods
4. Dlcs can be free unlike on the xbox360 and ps3 where you have to pay sometimes for free dlcs (like in Call of duty world at war....depending of course)
MafiaFan
07-13-2010, 04:33 PM
I haven't read all the comments already posted, but I wanted to share my thoughts. I'm just going to hit the overview and not get into details.
Like others have stated, the cost of upgrading isn't what many console fans pretend they are as you can upgrade specific parts as you need or want (something you can't do with a console). Upgrading is an advantage, not a disadvantage.
If you aren't happy with console visuals, framerates, etc., then too bad because you're out of luck. You have to wait till the Sony and MS decide to make the next console and then have the privilege (sarcasm) of rebuilding your games library all over again (with games that cost most because you have to pay the Sony or MS their royalties). Yay! (more sarcasm)
For me it's a no-brainer:
1) Obviously, graphics and performance capabilities are far superior. I have ultimate freedom on the types of hardware I want to use. If I'm not satisfied with something I can upgrade, but it's my choice. I can make it as great as I want it to be. Of course, the greater the performance and graphics, the better the hardware I need. But again, I have that freedom/choice.
That's the main reason. The keyboard+mouse is better IMO. Also, controls and gameplay have always seemed dumbed down to me on the consoles. I've had several consoles over the years, but they've never impressed me like a good PC has. Consoles are like introductory/rudimentary/entry-level gaming to me - like an economy car with very few features. You have to take what they give you. In contrast, PC gaming is like having a Maybach commissioned to your every detail, except it doesn't need to cost an arm-and-a-leg like a Maybach.
Lastly, you cannot look at a PC as JUST a gaming system. To say that's all it does would be like saying TVs only act as monitors for console gameplaying. Spending a few bucks on your PC increases the visuals, performance, and usefulness of a million other things you use computers for. For example, I would upgrade my PC regardless every few years whether a play a single game or not. The only difference being that since I do play games on it, I spend a bit more for better hardware.
There a number of other smaller points I'm not going over that other have stated (like mods and such). I'll end my post by saying it's better for consoles if there is a healthy PC market to advance gaming hardware in general and is good for supporting the gaming industry as a whole (more $$$ going to game developers, because they are making games for consoles AND PC). For me, it's PC or nothing and I know there are others out there, so why wouldn't developers want to take our cash too? It's common sense and it's good for everybody.
Charles_Australia
07-13-2010, 04:45 PM
well you can buy a lcd and put it on your desk then you can watch the tv then go back to play in a matter of seconds or you could just buy 2 lcd's or moniters
Like others have stated, the cost of upgrading isn't what many console fans pretend they are as you can upgrade specific parts as you need or want (something you can't do with a console). Upgrading is an advantage, not a disadvantage.
If you aren't happy with console visuals, framerates, etc., then too bad because you're out of luck. You have to wait till the Sony and MS decide to make the next console and then have the privilege (sarcasm) of rebuilding your games library all over again (with games that cost most because you have to pay the Sony or MS their royalties). Yay! (more sarcasm)
Even if you've spend 1000$ on a PC in 2005, there is NO WAY It can run newer games. On the other hand if you've payed $399.99 on a Xbox 360, you can still play any game, and and you'll be able to play them for at least 2 more years.
Yes, the option to upgrade your computer can be an advantage, but usually it's more of a necessity, than an advantage.
You do use your computer for more than games, but do you really need a supercomputer to surf through web and write a paper?
Argen_EsB
07-13-2010, 07:44 PM
The PC has another advantage: retrocompatibility. The PC has the biggest library of games, by a long shot.
I have Windows 7 installed on my PC but, with a bit of tinkering, I still play the oldies from time to time.
I need a top end PC for my profession (VFX artist), the fact it can play top end games is a great bonus. Find me a console that can run Maya and Houdini...
Also the console argument is that people aren't interested in graphics, well if that is the case I could buy a min spec PC for £50 and it would still be able to do all the things a computer can that a console simply cannot.
The only thing consoles win on is game availability, but even then the games cost a significant amount more.
Also the console argument is that people aren't interested in graphics, well if that is the case I could buy a min spec PC for £50 and it would still be able to do all the things a computer can that a console simply cannot.
We are not saying that consoles are a better working platform lol. We are talking about gaming.
And yeah, you can buy a computer for 200€ and a console for 200€. You have your working computer and a console for games that can last you 5 years.
Or you can buy a gaming computer for at least 800€ that won't last you 5 years in case of gaming.
Fugue
07-13-2010, 11:16 PM
I have 2 desktops, and a laptop, the last thing I want or need my consoles to do is be like a computer :p
I probably spent as much time fiddling with drivers & settings in Crysis as I did playing it because the damn thing kept crashing :o
maybe a slight exaggeration
I like/prefer the instant fix console gaming gives me ;) I'm not quite at the point of not wanting a PC for gaming, but I do think the one I have now will be the last.
The Janitor
07-14-2010, 12:23 AM
Even if you've spend 1000$ on a PC in 2005, there is NO WAY It can run newer games.
Well that depends how smart you've been shopping, if you made a good deal or bulit it yourself you should be able to play newer games, just not at max settings.
On the other hand if you've payed $399.99 on a Xbox 360, you can still play any game, and and you'll be able to play them for at least 2 more years.
That's because consoles run games at 720P, less AA, AF, etc. Sacrifices has to be made.
Well that depends how smart you've been shopping, unless you made a bad deal you should be able to play newer games, just not at max settings.
It doesn't depend on anything. You just couldn't buy a computer that could run Mafia II on minimum system requirements for 1000$ in 2005.
The Janitor
07-14-2010, 12:42 AM
It doesn't depend on anything. You just couldn't buy a computer that could run Mafia II on minimum system requirements for 1000$ in 2005.
I'm not really sure what the hardware costed in 2005. But surley this kind of stuff was avaliable at that price, atleast if you build it? :P
Minimum:
Intel Core 2 Duo 2ghz or AMD Athlon X2 2.4ghz
2GB of RAM
NVidia 8400GS or ATI HD2400 (DX9 not supported)
16gb harddisk space
Oh, and don't forget that game looks better on xbox360 if you compare it with playing it on low settings.
I'm not really sure what kind of harware they had in 2005, but surley this kind of stuff was avaliable?
Minimum:
Intel Core 2 Duo 2ghz or AMD Athlon X2 2.4ghz
2GB of RAM
NVidia 8400GS or ATI HD2400 (DX9 not supported)
16gb harddisk space
It was available. But this wasn't cheap. This was a really good gaming computer back in 2005. Definitely more than 1000$.
EDIT: Oh wait. It wasn't even available. Radeon HD 2000/3000 and GeForce 8 Series weren't even out until 2006.
Fugue
07-14-2010, 12:50 AM
Well that depends how smart you've been shopping, unless you made a bad deal you should be able to play newer games, just not at max settings
my "old" spare PC is from 2005, is all but redundant but I keep it for older games, the way the hardware industry works means there's very little I could actually salvage from it, each new revision of CPU, mobo, GPU etc means you need new expansion slots, more power, better cooling and so on, all I ripped out was the sound card.
there's no point pretending it's a cheap hobby because it's not, the depreciation of PC hardware like a lot of tech is shocking, I doubt the big players worry about that...
my "old" spare PC is from 2005, is all but redundant but I keep it for older games, the way the hardware industry works means there's very little I could actually salvage from it, each new revision of CPU, mobo, GPU etc means you need new expansion slots, more power, better cooling and so on, all I ripped out was the sound card.
True.
I was surprised that i can't even use my old DL-DVD writer on my new computer, because it uses different connectors
The Janitor
07-14-2010, 01:06 AM
Today I could put together a PC that's both the same price but more efficient than a console. Of course this requires some effort and knowledge and that a lot of people don't have. Consoles are indeed more accesible and easy to use. That's what they were built for. But to me they're too restricted, I need the higher resolution, the ability to mod the game, the choice between mouse/kb and controller. I wish there was only one console, I mean with all the exclusivity you have to buy a damn console just to play a game because it's exclusive to that platform :rolleyes:
You can get xbox 360 for $149.99
It's still hard to build a computer for this kind of money. I don't think I could do it. And If you are not a pirate, you still need to buy an operating system, so it can't be done.
Even if you can do it, it doesn't matter. You can't build a computer that lasts 5+ years for the money you can buy a console.
But if you have money, and you like playing games it's still worth owning a gaming computer.
Muffin
07-14-2010, 01:19 AM
Stop with th freakin' console war!
Fugue
07-14-2010, 01:23 AM
why? it's funny :D
it attracts the real loons, they make me laugh...
We are not having a console war. We are not even comparing consoles. We are discussing if pc gaming is really worth the price. And we probably all agree that it is if you've got the money.
The Janitor
07-14-2010, 01:26 AM
You can get xbox 360 for $149.99.
It's that cheap now? Well I could atleast build one for $300 :D
Edit: Btw, you do have to pay for live, and console games are $10 more. So that's something to consider.
Fugue
07-14-2010, 01:29 AM
if money was no object of course I would have an uber PC, but I want a new car instead, that's a much better investment :o
although I would like one where I don't have to prop up my GPU with a pen because the damn things are so heavy now, looks like a freakin house brick :D
Darkness62
07-14-2010, 04:06 AM
Of course it is worth it, if you spend the time to build your own system and find the best deals you can get a good gaming PC for a pretty low price. The Same as a XBox price? No, but if you factor in TV (if you want the best from the console this price also varies), and if you have the ability to repair one then you can lower it even further, the $10 to $20 price difference between the same games on PC and console. Most retailers will throw in an OEM copy of the OS tied to the motherboard you buy. It can even out in the end, most people want a computer anyway, just as they would a TV) Still the less you pay the more problems you may encounter (used consoles may be defective, poor quality PC parts), cheap TV = cheap looking games.
Repairing is easy with consoles, guides are everywhere and if you have some knowledge this just gets easier. Repairing computers, software/hardware support is my job. I work in a large firm in the IT department, but it doesn't take training to repair them. Anyone can do it too, the guides are easy to follow.
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$40 and a day to repair later, in the end though the XBox just wasn't worth it to me. The jaggies, bad shadows, screen tearing, clunky controls, and extreme system noise were too much. The fans were kind of messed up from the previous owner using the towel method trying to fix it, which I thought was responsible for the noise at first. Turns out it is the DVD drive that makes this noise anyway, which would require testing used drives. Anyway, I never used it, I expect more from games and at the console price for new releases there was no way a XBox could cut it and I gave it away.
However I am quite happy with the PS2, PS3 and Wii (miss the N64 terribly, I never should have sold it). I have gone back and forth PC to console and console back to PC for some time now. For me however PC is always worth the price. I guess now though I am really multi-platform. Jumping between God of War III, Heavy Rain, Little Big Planet and The Darkness on PS3, Super Mario Galaxy 2, and Ju-On (better than I thought it would be) on the Wii and ArmA II: Operation Arrowhead, Singularity, The Force Unleashed, Ghostbusters (Again), and a lot of others I picked up on the recent Steam sale on the PC.
All depends on what you want, like I said I want the best from both console and PC gaming. For me a XBox did not fit into that equation, hardware is too old and system too buggy. It only took Microsoft 30 years to build a decent OS, only 29 more to go for a decent console from Microsoft. XD So it costs money if you want the best no matter which you choose, but there are cheap alternatives for both PC and console gaming if you research it and work at finding the best price for what you need. However I will always be primarily a PC gamer. If there is even a hint at a PC port of a game (Red Dead Redemption, Darksiders) I will wait for the better PC version. PS3 exclusives I buy right away (God of War 3 and Heavy Rain).
Sande
07-14-2010, 05:21 AM
Darkness62, you spent several messages just flaming, calling people button smasher console tards and saying some pretty nasty things about their mother and now you decide to come up with a sensible and constructive reply. Why not before making yourself look like a complete idiot in front of everyone else reading this thread?
MafiaFan
07-14-2010, 02:05 PM
When comparing the cost of a modern gaming PC, you can't compare it to the current cost of a console. Anything you put together for a PC will automatically output above that low, low native res of 720p that consoles max out at. It's apples and oranges.
If you wanted to be fair you'd have to compare it to some outdated PC hardware. I'm sure you could find something used that would be maxed out at 720p resolution with no AA/AF. It certainly wouldn't cost very much though.
I say spend $500-$600 (about what a console cost originally anyway) and upgrade your mobo/cpu/ram. In most cases you don't need a new keyboard, mouse, monitor, enclosure, HD, or optical drive. That's the beauty of the PC. You can dump your money where you need it the most, the performance. Maximum bang for your buck. HDs, controllers, enclosure, and optical drives are all things that you have to purchase all over again with a console when they are working fine. Also, most of the parts MS and Sony use to make a console are low-quality which is why hear about them failing too frequently. Advantage, PC. $500-600 on this mobo/cpu/ram will blow away consoles.
By the way, there is a reason why consoles can't handle native resolution of 1080p. They didn't want the price of them to be $2000. People would balk at buying them.
Now, I've been gaming at better than 1080p before the 360 even came out (1920x1200). Increasing the resolution to 1080p is a big deal and requires a big increase in power if you want to keep frame rates reasonable. I guarantee you if Sony or MS were to put a new 1080p capable console on the shelf right now, it would run every bit of $1000+. At that point we could begin to compare it with a low-end modern PC. Otherwise, it's apples and oranges. Console gaming is entry-level gaming on the cheap and easy (though I'd seriously debate the value the console since MS and Sony extract more $$$ from your pockets with them....how do you think they market them so much, as compared to PC gaming?)
Why wait on hands and knees for Sony or MS to decide when it's time when you can have it now? I'd guess it's at least a couple years off for 360 (at a minimum). Hardware prices still need to drop to get it in the $500-600 range. Why not upgrade only the parts you need on your PC as technology progresses?
PCs offer better value and something that is just not possible on any console. So, yeah, it's worth it. Hands down.
McGee
07-14-2010, 02:31 PM
When comparing the cost of a modern gaming PC, you can't compare it to the current cost of a console. Anything you put together for a PC will automatically output above that low, low native res of 720p that consoles max out at. It's apples and oranges.
If you wanted to be fair you'd have to compare it to some outdated PC hardware. I'm sure you could find something used that would be maxed out at 720p resolution with no AA/AF. It certainly wouldn't cost very much though.
I say spend $500-$600 (about what a console cost originally anyway) and upgrade your mobo/cpu/ram. In most cases you don't need a new keyboard, mouse, monitor, enclosure, HD, or optical drive. That's the beauty of the PC. You can dump your money where you need it the most, the performance. Maximum bang for your buck. HDs, controllers, enclosure, and optical drives are all things that you have to purchase all over again with a console when they are working fine. Also, most of the parts MS and Sony use to make a console are low-quality which is why hear about them failing too frequently. Advantage, PC. $500-600 on this mobo/cpu/ram will blow away consoles.
By the way, there is a reason why consoles can't handle native resolution of 1080p. They didn't want the price of them to be $2000. People would balk at buying them.
Now, I've been gaming at better than 1080p before the 360 even came out (1920x1200). Increasing the resolution to 1080p is a big deal and requires a big increase in power if you want to keep frame rates reasonable. I guarantee you if Sony or MS were to put a new 1080p capable console on the shelf right now, it would run every bit of $1000+. At that point we could begin to compare it with a low-end modern PC. Otherwise, it's apples and oranges. Console gaming is entry-level gaming on the cheap and easy (though I'd seriously debate the value the console since MS and Sony extract more $$$ from your pockets with them....how do you think they market them so much, as compared to PC gaming?)
Why wait on hands and knees for Sony or MS to decide when it's time when you can have it now? I'd guess it's at least a couple years off for 360 (at a minimum). Hardware prices still need to drop to get it in the $500-600 range. Why not upgrade only the parts you need on your PC as technology progresses?
PCs offer better value and something that is just not possible on any console. So, yeah, it's worth it. Hands down.
What if you don't have a computer, and all you care about is playing video games? Is having a 100$ xbox, and 20$ per month pass at blockbuster (to rent my games) okay?
I mean honestly I don't care about graphics, and just care about playing video games...:o
Fugue
07-14-2010, 04:07 PM
What if you don't have a computer, and all you care about is playing video games? Is having a 100$ xbox, and 20$ per month pass at blockbuster (to rent my games) okay?
silly question ;) of course it's not ok, just read back through this thread to see how wrong you are :D
I'm now really disappointed with all my consoles, I bought them to play games but I've now discovered I can't do hundreds of other things I didn''t want them to do, so I'm throwing them out :cool:
I've also got a toaster that can't play mp3's, I only bought it to make toast but it can't play music, so that's going as well.
McGee
07-14-2010, 04:17 PM
silly question ;) of course it's not ok, just read back through this thread to see how wrong you are :D
I'm now really disappointed with all my consoles, I bought them to play games but I've now discovered I can't do hundreds of other things I didn''t want them to do, so I'm throwing them out :cool:
I've also got a toaster that can't play mp3's, I only bought it to make toast but it can't play music, so that's going as well.
I just don't get why people need to spend 1000's of dollars on graphics? Why not donate that money to some poor family in Uganda?
Darkness62
07-14-2010, 05:39 PM
I just don't get why people need to spend 1000's of dollars on graphics? Why not donate that money to some poor family in Uganda?
It's not just graphics, dumbed down for consoles isn't just a fun saying, I have no idea why you keep posting in here. Skull is too thick for the message to get through. You and Fugue just continue to verbally ☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺ each other and be confused, it is amusing. XD
McGee
07-14-2010, 05:40 PM
It's not just graphics, dumbed down for consoles isn't just a fun saying, I have no idea why you keep posting in here. Skull is too thick for the message to get through. You and Fugue just continue to verbally ☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺ each other and be confused, it is amusing. XD
Are you a nerd? Someone who spends that much on video games must obviously mean they don't have a life.....or a girl friend for that matter...:rolleyes:
Fugue
07-14-2010, 07:04 PM
it is amusing. XD
now that I can agree with...
Argen_EsB
07-14-2010, 07:10 PM
Are you a nerd? Someone who spends that much on video games must obviously mean they don't have a life.....or a girl friend for that matter...:rolleyes:
Everyone has the right to live they way they like to.
Nobody is trying to convince you, at least not directly, but at least to make you see that not everyone prefers the easy way for gaming. A real PC gamer doesn't care about to have to upgrade it's PC or to fiddle with the drivers and setting. Even with that I feel far more confortable in my PC than in a console.
Fugue
07-14-2010, 07:24 PM
A real PC gamer doesn't care about to have to upgrade it's PC or to fiddle with the drivers and setting.
I always thought that was a lot of the attraction, building, upgrading, overclocking etc, and the whole taking things apart/putting them back together thing, I quite enjoy that myself, just not with computers ;)
Tez Jaggs
07-15-2010, 01:42 AM
Are you a nerd? Someone who spends that much on video games must obviously mean they don't have a life.....or a girl friend for that matter...:rolleyes:
this bloke (or boy more like) is a proper nerd, have you just figured this out? lol.
he is the definition of fail.
by the sounds of it his life is just a FAIL
Styvesant
07-15-2010, 01:51 AM
By the power vested in me, by no one in particular - I invoke Section 2 article 3 of the imaginary Flame Book, so titled 'Chill everyone'.
Mafiashock
07-15-2010, 02:07 AM
No it's not worth it. I'll stick with consoles where I don't have to worry about high cost upgrading, crashes, drm and all the other crappy stuff that comes with pc gaming...I'd rather just come home after work and start playing instantly without having to worry about all the bull****. Graphics are not that important to me. I've been to my friends house and saw crysis on a high end pc and it's nothing I would care to spend $1,500 bucks on.
Tez Jaggs
07-15-2010, 02:12 AM
No it's not worth it. I'll stick with consoles where I don't have to worry about high cost upgrading, crashes, drm and all the other crappy stuff that comes with pc gaming...I'd rather just come home after work and start playing instantly without having to worry about all the bull****. Graphics are not that important to me. I've been to my friends house and saw crysis on a high end pc and it's nothing I would care to spend $1,500 bucks on.
here here.
Ganja
07-15-2010, 03:37 AM
I have a pretty high-end custom built PC that cost me 3K to build. The problem with PCs are you can encounter problems with so many different things, just to get it right for the graphics alone seems pointless. PCs are harder to maintain, they are up to date for about 3 months and then go out of date quickly. Because technology is fast growing these days, having a fully built computer is not worth the money because in a couple months something faster will come out. IMHO, with a fully built desktop like the one I have, having all the components I have, I would rather play console. The environment (between player and player, not really in the sense of Mafia 2, just stating something) is greater and I enjoy console more. I can say this because I own everything; 2 PS3's, 1 X-box 360, and 1 fully built Windows 7 Ultimate w/ 2 hard drives ((1 velociraptor, 1 TB, GTX 295 (which is now out of date) and so many other components that were the sh*t a year ago and are now out of date.)) Id rather play on X-box than PC any day. Yea, PC MIGHT look better if you config the settings and took an hour to do it, but in the end, IMHO, console has a better experience. Just from what I've learned.
3k for a worth-while desktop (that will soon be out of date) < $200 X-Box.
McGee
07-15-2010, 03:43 AM
I have a pretty high-end custom built PC that cost me 3K to build. The problem with PCs are you can encounter problems with so many different things, just to get it right for the graphics alone seems pointless. PCs are harder to maintain, they are up to date for about 3 months and then go out of date quickly. Because technology is fast growing these days, having a fully built computer is not worth the money because in a couple months something faster will come out. IMHO, with a fully built desktop like the one I have, having all the components I have, I would rather play console. The environment (between player and player, not really in the sense of Mafia 2, just stating something) is greater and I enjoy console more. I can say this because I own everything; 2 PS3's, 1 X-box 360, and 1 fully built Windows 7 Ultimate w/ 2 hard drives ((1 velociraptor, 1 TB, GTX 295 (which is now out of date) and so many other components that were the sh*t a year ago and are now out of date.)) Id rather play on X-box than PC any day. Yea, PC MIGHT look better if you config the settings and took an hour to do it, but in the end, IMHO, console has a better experience. Just from what I've learned.
3k for a worth-while desktop (that will soon be out of date) < $200 X-Box.
Now an xbox 360 only costs 100$ used!
I'm wondering if people who do pc gaming, and spend 3,000 dollars on it don't have some mental disease?:confused:
Ganja
07-15-2010, 03:48 AM
Now an xbox 360 only costs 100$ used!
I'm wondering if people who do pc gaming, and spend 3,000 dollars on it don't have some mental disease?:confused:
That's true. I was giving the console gamers the benefit of the doubt. It is pretty cheap used these days but I was also focusing on the Elite editions.
glesson
07-15-2010, 04:21 AM
Now an xbox 360 only costs 100$ used!
I'm wondering if people who do pc gaming, and spend 3,000 dollars on it don't have some mental disease?:confused:
I have a pc, xbox360 and ps3 (second hand). My favourite by far is the pc. The hardware on my current pc is ~2 years old. A month ago I changed the processor and this will quarantee me Mafia II gameplay on high details with perfect framerate. If you think about it - it's not that expensive. My current processor is quad core amd which is at the price ~350$. I sold my old processor for 200$, so the costs for upgrages are 100$ this year. And at least till next summer I'm not making more upgrades. Last year I bought another HDD, so the cost for upgrades again wasn't that much. I'm a college student and I don't have that much cash, so it's really the wrong idea some people have that PC gaming is all about buying new stuff every month. For example my current pc box I bought in 2006 for 40$ and i'm still using it; I have 4gb ram which is ~2 years old. If people put some thought on it, it won't cost that much. ( I also put my components myself, and resell the old ones as fast as possible) The idea is not to build new pc from scratch, but to uprade parts that really need changing.
So don't make the wrong assumptions for most people based on a few that have the cash to build 3000$ pc's. If I was one of them I wouldn't have waited for the steam summer discounts to buy a few games I wanted for some time now. :) And yeah, pc gaming is worth it...
The Janitor
07-15-2010, 04:24 AM
I have a pretty high-end custom built PC that cost me 3K to build. The problem with PCs are you can encounter problems with so many different things, just to get it right for the graphics alone seems pointless. PCs are harder to maintain, they are up to date for about 3 months and then go out of date quickly. Because technology is fast growing these days, having a fully built computer is not worth the money because in a couple months something faster will come out. IMHO, with a fully built desktop like the one I have, having all the components I have, I would rather play console. The environment (between player and player, not really in the sense of Mafia 2, just stating something) is greater and I enjoy console more. I can say this because I own everything; 2 PS3's, 1 X-box 360, and 1 fully built Windows 7 Ultimate w/ 2 hard drives ((1 velociraptor, 1 TB, GTX 295 (which is now out of date) and so many other components that were the sh*t a year ago and are now out of date.)) Id rather play on X-box than PC any day. Yea, PC MIGHT look better if you config the settings and took an hour to do it, but in the end, IMHO, console has a better experience. Just from what I've learned.
3k for a worth-while desktop (that will soon be out of date) < $200 X-Box.
This doesn't make any sense, if you're not even that in to PC why spend 3K? And why complain about your PC being outdated when consoles are waaay more outdated :confused:
Configing the settings takes an hour now? I usually just put everyhing to max and I'm set.
Ganja
07-15-2010, 05:00 AM
This doesn't make any sense, if you're not even that in to PC why spend 3K? And why complain about your PC being outdated when consoles are waaay more outdated :confused:
Configing the settings takes an hour now? I usually just put everyhing to max and I'm set.
I have spent nearly over a day to get GTA: IV perfect on the computer. I was getting fuzzy shadows, etc. The PC takes too much work to get perfect settings and still optimizing performance. With a console, all you do is put the game in and play, while still looking good (these days especially). PC takes too much work to "get" better graphics. I spent 3k on a computer because I bought an Alienware laptop that was $3300, and wasn't satisfied with it. So instead, I returned it, said I wasn't happy with the performance for what I paid, and built my own custom desktop from the ground up. I am currently typing on that desktop. I have a Killer NIC card and just about everything you can put into a desktop that costs money. Soon, something better will be out. No, consoles arn't outdated because nothing better has come out. Saying an Atari is outdated between a X360 is true. Nothing ATM beats a X360 or PS3 console wise. Yes, if you want to spend a couple thousand to beat a console PC wise, go for it. But I'd rather spend that money towards car parts.
The Janitor
07-15-2010, 05:08 AM
I have spent nearly over a day to get GTA: IV perfect on the computer. I was getting fuzzy shadows, etc. The PC takes too much work to get perfect settings and still optimizing performance. With a console, all you do is put the game in and play, while still looking good (these days especially).
GTA IV is just a bad port, not the best example. The majority of multiplatform games will run and look a lot better if you have a good rig.
No, consoles arn't outdated because nothing better has come out.
This logic I don't understand, while your PC is several times more powerful than your consoles your not satisfied just because something better is out? It's not like you have to buy everything new that comes out. Just be satisfied with what you have :p
Don_Vito
07-15-2010, 05:19 AM
It's not like you have to buy everything new that comes out. Just be satisfied with what you have :p
Exactly I don't understand some people who need to newest things, like the Xbox slim when it comes out
MafiaFan
07-15-2010, 08:03 AM
...and "what you have" is probably already better than a console anyway.
Don't say you "have to" upgrade your PC when what you have is already superior to the consoles. You can if you want, but don't try inflate the cost of PC gaming because of something you "want" when what you already have (without upgrading) is already better.
If you want to upgrade you can. It's your choice. That's the beauty of it. It's a choice console gamers don't have. You CAN'T make your game run any smoother or load faster or look better visually. Graphics options? Forget about it.
All you can do if you are a console gamer is get on your knees and pray MS and Sony come out with a new console .....so you can rebuild your game library....and pay more for you games than PC games (license fees/royalties) ...and pay for Xbox Live subscriptions. Then you can pray it's not buggy this time around ....and pray the cheap hardware doesn't crap out prematurely (RRoD?).
Ganja
07-15-2010, 09:14 AM
GTA IV is just a bad port, not the best example. The majority of multiplatform games will run and look a lot better if you have a good rig.
This logic I don't understand, while your PC is several times more powerful than your consoles your not satisfied just because something better is out? It's not like you have to buy everything new that comes out. Just be satisfied with what you have :p
You must be a fan-boy. I have had every system that has ever come out. Id much rather play console than PC. Crysis on PC with high settings wasn't impressive. With my setup you would expect it to run fine. With all the updates, etc; you need to run an OK game, it gets kind of old. Updates on console update themselves, I don't have to go searching to see an update.
Your logic I don't understand. Why waste a thousand or more on a PC. It will be out of date so fast you can't blink. Yea it will run fine on games for about a year or so, but whats the point. A computer is a money pit. At least consoles take at least 4 years till something new comes out that's "better". It's really common sense. Sure, if you like PC more go for it. IDK what you do and what you don't do. But its my .02 and i've had enough experience with just about enough consoles and computers to be able to say my .02.
Again, your logic doesn't make sense to me. Because that seems to be your best line.
Ganja
07-15-2010, 09:17 AM
...and "what you have" is probably already better than a console anyway.
Don't say you "have to" upgrade your PC when what you have is already superior to the consoles. You can if you want, but don't try inflate the cost of PC gaming because of something you "want" when what you already have (without upgrading) is already better.
If you want to upgrade you can. It's your choice. That's the beauty of it. It's a choice console gamers don't have. You CAN'T make your game run any smoother or load faster or look better visually. Graphics options? Forget about it.
All you can do if you are a console gamer is get on your knees and pray MS and Sony come out with a new console .....so you can rebuild your game library....and pay more for you games than PC games (license fees/royalties) ...and pay for Xbox Live subscriptions. Then you can pray it's not buggy this time around ....and pray the cheap hardware doesn't crap out prematurely (RRoD?).
Face it, both consoles and PC gaming is the same. Companies are going to continually rape you with money because everything comes out so fast people feel the need to "get that at the front line at 12 midnight." I have never been like that and have always waited. PC, you have to upgrade it after a while. Console, you have to pay for memberships to play on Live, etc. PCs you have to pay an internet bill, same for console. By the time you waste all your money on the PC it will be less than the cost of owning a console. I would come up with more reasons but I've really had a few to drink and don't feel like concentrating to tell a life story to someone on a forum. This is basically just an outline of what should strike you as common sense. No offense.
Again, .02.
The Janitor
07-15-2010, 06:20 PM
You must be a fan-boy.
I'm not, I have no problem if you like consoles more than PC but what you're saying is just not true.
Your logic I don't understand. Why waste a thousand or more on a PC. It will be out of date so fast you can't blink. Yea it will run fine on games for about a year or so, but whats the point. A computer is a money pit. At least consoles take at least 4 years till something new comes out that's "better". It's really common sense. Sure, if you like PC more go for it. IDK what you do and what you don't do. But its my .02 and i've had enough experience with just about enough consoles and computers to be able to say my .02..
Who said you need to spend thousands? I spent $900 on mine and that was 2years ago, I haven't upgraded since. I can still play my games fine. You know consoles are also based on hardware just like PCs, and that hardware is from 2005. Thus it's very outdated.
Genovese1311
07-15-2010, 06:50 PM
The truth is that pc will always own consoles... You can't compare a thousand dollar gaming rig with an xbox that costs 150 bucks
Genovese1311
07-15-2010, 06:52 PM
I have a pretty high-end custom built PC that cost me 3K to build. The problem with PCs are you can encounter problems with so many different things, just to get it right for the graphics alone seems pointless. PCs are harder to maintain, they are up to date for about 3 months and then go out of date quickly. Because technology is fast growing these days, having a fully built computer is not worth the money because in a couple months something faster will come out. IMHO, with a fully built desktop like the one I have, having all the components I have, I would rather play console. The environment (between player and player, not really in the sense of Mafia 2, just stating something) is greater and I enjoy console more. I can say this because I own everything; 2 PS3's, 1 X-box 360, and 1 fully built Windows 7 Ultimate w/ 2 hard drives ((1 velociraptor, 1 TB, GTX 295 (which is now out of date) and so many other components that were the sh*t a year ago and are now out of date.)) Id rather play on X-box than PC any day. Yea, PC MIGHT look better if you config the settings and took an hour to do it, but in the end, IMHO, console has a better experience. Just from what I've learned.
3k for a worth-while desktop (that will soon be out of date) < $200 X-Box.
If you bought a 3k gaming rig several months ago and it's soon going to be out of date then you should most definitely commit suicide man...
RaptorM60
07-15-2010, 07:07 PM
Not sure if it was mentioned here before, i am jumping in really late on this discussion, but with PC, it is never just playing games. You know, if you have a really powerful rig, you can capture in-game videos, cut them, share with other players or fans...
You kow, Xbox Live is fine. I have an X360 and since I am more of a "casual" player these days, I use it as my primary gaming platform, but as originally a PC player, i feel SO, and i mean SO! limited. It is fine that there are parties and voice communication and stuff on Xbox Live, but X360 is a closed platform (not that PS3 is not all the same) and you can do just the things Microsoft allows you to do. TBH it is not really a lot that MS allows you to do - and even for this bit, you have to pay quite a lot of money.
The PC on the other hand offers a total freedom. Noone is charging you for playing online (if you are not a WoW adict of course), you can instantly take a screenshot from any game, post it on forums and make lulz about it a whole day if you have this amount of free time.
Also, consoles are just for playing and movies and all this fun stuff, but powerful PC can really enrich you - not that it just allows developers to create their games as they really want (because you know - the memory of consoles is really stopping the evolution of games) so you can have a better experience, but if you have a PC that runs latest games, it really opens you this whole exciting life of creative people who are suffering from backache because they just got so sucked in to the world of PC gaming communities :)
Fugue
07-15-2010, 07:46 PM
Exactly I don't understand some people who need to newest things, like the Xbox slim when it comes out
yeah it's just silly.
picking mine up next week :D
Ganja
07-15-2010, 10:49 PM
If you bought a 3k gaming rig several months ago and it's soon going to be out of date then you should most definitely commit suicide man...
I have no reason to because I'm not a nerdy foreigner that cares
chalkman
07-15-2010, 11:18 PM
Is this thread about how it is best to let other people to tell you how you should spend your dollars? Or another console war thread? I don't get the premise.
People spend thousands of dollars on all kinds of frivolous things, but I think gamers that spend thousands of dollars on something they love doing no different than a kid spending thousands on a dirt bike, or surf gear, or Les Paul's or whatever they are interested in.
If people want to buy the latest gadgets at the expense of saving for the future, than yes I'd agree that that is a bit ridicules. But at the end of the day, people will buy the things they want. Whether it be a PC or a TV it doesn't much matter, and i'm not gonna try to tell them how to spend their money, id assume that any reasonably intelligent person can set their own priority, budget wise. If they can't, then they will - sooner or later - have to deal with the consequences.
Ganja
07-16-2010, 12:31 AM
Is this thread about how it is best to let other people to tell you how you should spend your dollars? Or another console war thread? I don't get the premise.
Its basically going to be fan boy to fan boy saying why they think the other is better and a giant riot will start out about how the other is wrong. Really pointless thread IMO. Just like a majority of the threads on this forum.
Examples of previous threads:
"VITO SWIM YES NO?"
"OMFG MULTIPLAYER PLZ OR I CRY TUNIGHT"
Genovese1311
07-16-2010, 03:08 AM
I have no reason to because I'm not a nerdy foreigner that cares
Then why are you all over this thread, defending the xbox... Perhaps you haven't realized yet but you are a fanboy too you know... So okay, you are a xbox fan and i am a pc fan... You don't have to lie (or maybe you're not lying i don't give a f*** really) about how you have a 3k gaming rig (that's going to be outdated soon) just to make a point that the xbox is better... I have a $600 pc that i bought last year and it runs games perfectly...
Darkness62
07-16-2010, 04:39 AM
Then why are you all over this thread, defending the xbox... Perhaps you haven't realized yet but you are a fanboy too you know... So okay, you are a xbox fan and i am a pc fan... You don't have to lie (or maybe you're not lying i don't give a f*** really) about how you have a 3k gaming rig (that's going to be outdated soon) just to make a point that the xbox is better... I have a $600 pc that i bought last year and it runs games perfectly...
Only a complete noob or someone that is making **** up would say his PC is out of date after 3 months. lol They don't even release hardware that fast. :rolleyes: A high end PC will last 4 to 5 years (desktop mainly, little less for notebook). With console hardware stagnating for the next few years, high end PC gaming will last even longer. Lately with console ports and multi-platform releases I have had to put vsync on cause 100 + FPS is overkill. XD I wouldn't waste time arguing with a FAILBox PR bot, block and forget, he's just here to make the console gamers feel better and get over jealousy issues. XD
Don_Vito
07-16-2010, 04:48 AM
yeah it's just silly.
picking mine up next week :D
haha
message to short pointless to read this
Ganja
07-16-2010, 01:00 PM
Then why are you all over this thread, defending the xbox... Perhaps you haven't realized yet but you are a fanboy too you know... So okay, you are a xbox fan and i am a pc fan... You don't have to lie (or maybe you're not lying i don't give a f*** really) about how you have a 3k gaming rig (that's going to be outdated soon) just to make a point that the xbox is better... I have a $600 pc that i bought last year and it runs games perfectly...
I'm all over this thread because you think PCs are the greatest thing ever. Yes, downloading music is awesome. Expand your horizons. I'm not an X-box fan. I own everything. I'm also going to purchase M2 on all 3 systems. Yes, I am lying about my PC because I care what a bunch of random foreigners on a Mafia 2 forum have to say. I'm stating an opinion. Since you don't like my opinion, go play on your $600 "gaming" rig. Id love to see what it looks like on M2. I'm sure it does run games perfectly on low-medium settings. I can buy a $100 X-box and probably still have the graphics level of your "gaming" rig. My Thermal-take Xaser VI set me back $200 alone on Newegg.com, so IDK what kind of POS you bought. You're probably running some low budget AMD processor because you "heard" it's better for gaming.
Ganja
07-16-2010, 01:08 PM
Only a complete noob or someone that is making **** up would say his PC is out of date after 3 months. lol They don't even release hardware that fast. :rolleyes: A high end PC will last 4 to 5 years (desktop mainly, little less for notebook). With console hardware stagnating for the next few years, high end PC gaming will last even longer. Lately with console ports and multi-platform releases I have had to put vsync on cause 100 + FPS is overkill. XD I wouldn't waste time arguing with a FAILBox PR bot, block and forget, he's just here to make the console gamers feel better and get over jealousy issues. XD
You're a complete ratard if you think a graphics card or anything of the sort WON'T be out of date within a year. I bought a GTX 295, and then all a sudden a "EVGA GTX 480 Hydro Copper FTW" is out. And you are trying to tell me technology is slow or something? Yea PCs don't go out of date fast, you're right. Maybe the rock you live under, but where I live sh*t comes fast. I forgot foreigners get everything late.
youre exagerating with the gtx295 and the evga 480... ofcourse if you bought the 295 recently, the 480 came out... :)
480 came out on the 26th of march 2010, 295 when? a long time ago... and believe me if you play all games on pc at a console settings and resolution, which both are horrible, the 295 is and will able to play all games in a 3-4-5 year span, not to mention the 480...
i have an ati5850, won it at a contest, previosly owned an ati4770, and i cand run all games on my 24 inch lcd. if not, in the future, i will decrease the quality settings, and the game will still look better than on consoles (the same game!)...
Genovese1311
07-16-2010, 04:36 PM
I'm all over this thread because you think PCs are the greatest thing ever. Yes, downloading music is awesome. Expand your horizons. I'm not an X-box fan. I own everything. I'm also going to purchase M2 on all 3 systems. Yes, I am lying about my PC because I care what a bunch of random foreigners on a Mafia 2 forum have to say. I'm stating an opinion. Since you don't like my opinion, go play on your $600 "gaming" rig. Id love to see what it looks like on M2. I'm sure it does run games perfectly on low-medium settings. I can buy a $100 X-box and probably still have the graphics level of your "gaming" rig. My Thermal-take Xaser VI set me back $200 alone on Newegg.com, so IDK what kind of POS you bought. You're probably running some low budget AMD processor because you "heard" it's better for gaming.
Actually i have a quad... I can play most games on high except gta 4 which i have to play on medium (with some settings on high)... For example i had no problem running Batman Arkham Asylum on high with Physx on and many other games like AAII, ME2, BC2 etc... So yeah, i apologize for being a "random foreigner" who thinks that you're full of bulls**t... Buying a 3k gaming rig that is going to be outdated soon makes you either a liar or the dumbest person alive...
The Janitor
07-16-2010, 04:59 PM
Since you don't like my opinion, go play on your $600 "gaming" rig. Id love to see what it looks like on M2. I'm sure it does run games perfectly on low-medium settings. I can buy a $100 X-box and probably still have the graphics level of your "gaming" rig. My Thermal-take Xaser VI set me back $200 alone on Newegg.com, so IDK what kind of POS you bought. You're probably running some low budget AMD processor because you "heard" it's better for gaming.
Just because you buy overpriced stuff, I could easily build a PC for $600 that outperforms the consoles. If you have a GTX 295 you ought to know how much more powerful it is than anything a console can do.
Genovese1311
07-16-2010, 09:08 PM
Just because you buy overpriced stuff, I could easily build a PC for $600 that outperforms the consoles. If you have a GTX 295 you ought to know how much more powerful it is than anything a console can do.
Yeah i know, my neighbor just bought a gaming rig two weeks ago, we bought it together... 6gb ram, Intel Core i7, ATI 5970, Cooler Master HAF 932, HDD 500gb (or 1TB i don't remember exactly) for €1,850 and this guy is trying to convince that a 100 dollar console can outperform a 3k gaming rig which he allegedly has...
Ganja
07-17-2010, 12:21 AM
Yeah i know, my neighbor just bought a gaming rig two weeks ago, we bought it together... 6gb ram, Intel Core i7, ATI 5970, Cooler Master HAF 932, HDD 500gb (or 1TB i don't remember exactly) for €1,850 and this guy is trying to convince that a 100 dollar console can outperform a 3k gaming rig which he allegedly has...
LOL, I never said consoles can outperform a 3k gaming rig. I'm saying for the money, it isn't worth what you get out of it. Maybe the PC gaming is a little more fun because of the experience, but i'm saying MONEY WISE, computer gaming just isn't really worth it anymore from the technology we are beginning to get out of a console. Don't you remember playing GoldenEye on N64 and we used to think the graphics were the best thing ever created? Now if you play it you're like WTF I used to think these were good? haha. Just imagine what the next console will be like....
Genovese1311
07-17-2010, 07:51 AM
Why isn't the PC worth it? Consoles are only for gaming, You can tons of other stuff on a good PC... And the idea that you have to spend more than 1k in order to have a good pc is just foolish... Like i said before i bought mine for $600 last summer and i have no problem running almost every game that i bought on high settings like: Batman AA, ACII, BC2, MW, ME2, Far Cry 2, Metro 2033...
Just imagine what the next console will be like....
PCs are always on the cutting edge of gaming technology... Sure, the current generation of consoles with HD capabilities did briefly narrow the gap, but the truth is that PCs continue to offer superior graphics, for example: PC monitors have considerably higher resolutions than HDTVs... Even if the next console offers incredible technology upon its release, there is no way for it to compete with the rapid hardware advancement in PC technology...
MafiaFan
07-17-2010, 08:55 AM
youre exagerating with the gtx295 and the evga 480... ofcourse if you bought the 295 recently, the 480 came out... :)
480 came out on the 26th of march 2010, 295 when? a long time ago... and believe me if you play all games on pc at a console settings and resolution, which both are horrible, the 295 is and will able to play all games in a 3-4-5 year span, not to mention the 480...
i have an ati5850, won it at a contest, previosly owned an ati4770, and i cand run all games on my 24 inch lcd. if not, in the future, i will decrease the quality settings, and the game will still look better than on consoles (the same game!)...
Exactly!
Console fanboys have an obvious problem with comparing apples with apples. They exaggerate to make themselves feel better I guess or they just don't have a clue.
I could cheaply get a system with 4-5 year old hardware that can easily handle what any console can render. When consoles can render 1080p natively with framerates 25-30 (low for PC gaming, mind you), console fanboys can get back to me. Only THEN can you begin comparing it to $1000+ PCs. Again, apples and oranges.
Mafiashock
07-17-2010, 09:31 AM
Exactly!
Console fanboys have an obvious problem with comparing apples with apples. They exaggerate to make themselves feel better I guess or they just don't have a clue.
I could cheaply get a system with 4-5 year old hardware that can easily handle what any console can render. When consoles can render 1080p natively with framerates 25-30 (low for PC gaming, mind you), console fanboys can get back to me. Only THEN can you begin comparing it to $1000+ PCs. Again, apples and oranges.
No one is saying consoles can out perform pc's. That would be a ridiculous thing to say. What we are saying is that we don't care about graphics that much to deal with pc gaming. When I buy a game I know I can go home and play it without having to worry if my pc can handle it or not.
Darkness62
07-17-2010, 11:18 AM
Just imagine what the next console will be like....
What is hardware a year out of date at release? What is gimmicky motion controls at launch instead of 5 to 6 years in, to extend the life of rapidly aging hardware? What is Micro$uck rushing to release another poorly designed mess to beat the competition? What is the company that caters to the most casual of gamers coming out on top yet again? I love this game... :rolleyes:
InFAILity Ward
07-17-2010, 05:18 PM
I would never get used to a console
For me PC gaming is the only way to go
Sculament
07-17-2010, 06:46 PM
Consoles are for the dumb sheep. Pardon me , there are some who enjoy consoles for various reasons , but in general cases , the first sentence applies. As far as PC is concerned , i make my money on the pc , many people make money on their PC , they work , they relax , watch a movie , communicate in whatever means the internet supplies , play original games , play pirated games , watch porn , listen to music , create movies , edit photos , compose music , pay bills , buy things , commit a crime ,hack, and the list is ****ing endless. Consoles ?? GTFO.
Tez Jaggs
07-17-2010, 07:26 PM
i am a console gamer and always have been.
i have no idea how you people can care about graphics sooooo much. i play mass effect 2 on my xbox and red dead redemption and the graphics to me look wonderful with my hdmi cable.
it is obvious to anyone pc gaming is always more advanced but i just dont care about graphics so much as most pc gamers do.
also as i dont deny that pc gaming is better in technical terms pc gamers cant deny that pc gaming is dieing?
and console gaming is growing.
the money is on the consoles, thats why so many pc franchises are now coming to the consoles also, coz thats where to make money.
mafia
fallout
deus ex
the sims are trying it again
xcom
elder scrolls
the list is endless.
i am willing to bet the majority of pc gamers are older gamers. which means nobody young are bothering to opt for the pc for gaming and that is why it is dieing out.
the money is on the consoles, this cannot be ignored.
Darkness62
07-17-2010, 07:37 PM
Consoles are for the dumb sheep.
Ummm yeah, I don't think so....
play pirated games
You are part of the problem with PC gaming, I am sure 2K are happy to hear you won't be paying for their hard work. Should make them excited to continue making PC games right? Good job... :rolleyes:
glesson
07-17-2010, 07:40 PM
I can't believe how ignorant some of you are. PC gaming is "dying" since the late 90's. I have a few magazines at home which predicted that there will be no more PC games after 2002. :D Kids, learn that PC market may become more smaller, but it won't die. Have you tried to play a good strategy game on a console? I own both the ps3 and xbox360, and I can say there are games like Gears of War, Resident Evil, Heavy Rain that need to be played on a console, but try and play a game like Starcraft II, Civilization V or STALKER for example, and tell me they would be better on console.
Every platform has it's highs and lows, but the PC beats the competition due the fact it can be used for much more stuff. Consoles are easier to use, but pc gaming is for people who actually have more knowledge on the technical side of things. Don't compare them, don't add labels you've heard from certain places, and try to think for yourselves. My opinion is this - a good PC game beats a good console game everytime. You have more options at your disposal, and you don't feel limited. If I want to use a controller, I'll plug xbox360 controller for windows and I would play a game on the LCD, using TV-Out at the living room.
My point is this: Pc gaming is not that expensive, it won't die, and it won't beat the consoles' sales. It's not for everybody, and some games are better on console, others are better on PC, and doesn't have a place on a console. Grow up, stop hating, and learn to have your own opinion. Don't hate without a reason or you'll turn into frogs! :p
Sculament
07-17-2010, 07:42 PM
Learn to read , then post ! After that , learn to read in context . Never quote my posts again until you've finished learning how to read.
The Janitor
07-17-2010, 08:01 PM
the money is on the consoles, thats why so many pc franchises are now coming to the consoles also, coz thats where to make money.
mafia
fallout
deus ex
the sims are trying it again
xcom
elder scrolls
.
The first mafia was also on consoles...
If you don't care about graphics and you're satisfied with consoles then that's good for you. But PC gaming isn't just about graphics, it's the freedom in general I like. I can mod my games, choose if I wanna play with controller or mouse. Hell I can even use it at the same time. Mouse and keyboard when I'm on foot, the just pick up the controller when I'm gonna drive. Right now I'm playing Paper Mario 2 (which is a gamecube exclusive) on PC with a 360 controller, thanks to emulators. Another example of how open the platform is. Also I can't stand playing FPS games with a controller, it's so clunky. So saying PC gaming isn't worth it may apply to some people, but not everyone. ;)
Tez Jaggs
07-17-2010, 08:06 PM
The first mafia was also on consoles...
i think your find it was ported to console afterwards.
ps2 in 2003
xbox 2004
it was released on pc in 2002.
The Janitor
07-17-2010, 08:18 PM
i think your find it was ported to console afterwards.
ps2 in 2003
xbox 2004
it was released on pc in 2002.
Well, it's not like they forgot to make a PC version of Mafia 2. They're just showing love to all platforms this time.
spark6665
07-17-2010, 08:29 PM
To summarize what 160 comments have said so far - the PC has its pros and cons. The 360 does too. So does the ps3. Case closed?:p
Tez Jaggs
07-17-2010, 09:08 PM
Well, it's not like they forgot to make a PC version of Mafia 2. They're just showing love to all platforms this time.
lol you still dont get it.
dumb dumb.
Genovese1311
07-17-2010, 09:18 PM
lol you still dont get it.
dumb dumb.
Well, Mafia 2 will still be superior on the pc...
Tez Jaggs
07-17-2010, 09:20 PM
Well, Mafia 2 will still be superior on the pc...
lmao.
such a pc elitist comment.
read my other posts and your see i never doubted mafia 2 will be technically better on pc.
you're another dumb dumb.
The Janitor
07-17-2010, 09:25 PM
lol you still dont get it.
dumb dumb.
Then explain.
Genovese1311
07-17-2010, 09:26 PM
What is it we don't get???
Mafiashock
07-17-2010, 09:59 PM
Are you guys that stupid? Show me one comment in this thread where someone claims consoles are technically better than pc's. Accept the fact some people enjoy the simplicity of consoles.
Genovese1311
07-17-2010, 10:11 PM
Are you guys that stupid? Show me one comment in this thread where someone claims consoles are technically better than pc's. Accept the fact some people enjoy the simplicity of consoles.
No one is denying that, i'm just wondering why the guys who own consoles trash the pc so much... I don't have a problem with consoles, i just prefer PCs... Nothing is perfect, everything has its pros & cons and being a console or pc gamer is just a matter of taste...
Edit: P.S. there were several people at this forum that claimed that the xbox can outperform the pc...
The Janitor
07-17-2010, 10:12 PM
Are you guys that stupid? Show me one comment in this thread where someone claims consoles are technically better than pc's. Accept the fact some people enjoy the simplicity of consoles.
That's not really what we're discussing here. He's saying PC gaming is dying and giving examples how Mafia 2 is coming to consoles, yet this doesn't effect the PC version. I can still play a great PC version of Mafia 2 even if console versions are a big focus this time.
rapzeh
07-17-2010, 10:17 PM
With a steady investment of 50€ a month you can keep your PC up to date by buying the newest hardware and selling the old one ("old" meaning one month old) and when you're sick of it you can sell it for 1-2k and not 100€ as if it was a poor 360.
That doesn't work btw... Bought ACII (dumb thing to do i know), i got pissed off after a week so i uninstalled it, then i waited for a month for a crack release that works... I'm playing the skidrow version now and currently i'm in Venice, think i'm near the end now... F**K YOU UBISOFT!!!
sr-acii.iso @ 6.34 GB? :D I f-ing hate that game, I'm gonna delete it.
Your logic I don't understand. Why waste a thousand or more on a PC. It will be out of date so fast you can't blink. Yea it will run fine on games for about a year or so, but whats the point. A computer is a money pit. At least consoles take at least 4 years till something new comes out that's "better". It's really common sense.
Ganja.
Don't smoke it before you post.
Your 1k computer will be outdate by a CONSOLE when that console will come out, that is 4 years later.
Why in the f*** would you compare a old PC, with a new PC, to prove that consoles are better than PCs ?
As MafiaFan says, apple and oranges.
New PCs come out more often that consoles. That means they evolve faster, cost less, work better. And that means game developers don't have to worry about the hardware limitation when making a game.
Its basically going to be fan boy to fan boy saying why they think the other is better and a giant riot will start out about how the other is wrong. Really pointless thread IMO. Just like a majority of the threads on this forum.
Then do the logical thing: stop posting and GTFO.
I seams to me that the only pro's of the console guys are:
1) lower costs
2) less hassle/easy to use
If you're like that, yeah buy a damn console. For you a PC is not worth it.
But don't claim a console is better for gaming.
lol you still dont get it.
dumb dumb.
Your arguments are completely wrong and ignorant.
PC is still the single largest gaming platform in the world, in revenues. And it is growing not the other way around.
The argument about games/game series that was originally exclusive to the PC and then later showed up on console is just ridiculous. It could also be turned the other way around.
For example:
Halo1/2 showed up on PC after the console release.
Dead Rising 2 will be released on PC, the original was only on the 360.
The same can be said about Saints Row 2.
Fable 1 was an Xbox exclusive and then later released on PC. Fable 2 was released exclusively on the 360 and that also seemed to be the case for Fable 3, until it was announced that the game will also be released on PC.
There are so much more to the PC than just better graphics as many people has already explained.
(I know this is my first post but I can’t take this ignorance)
Genovese1311
07-17-2010, 10:30 PM
I disagree about this... If you have the money, why not buy it?
Fugue
07-17-2010, 11:09 PM
i'm just wondering why the guys who own consoles trash the pc so much...
probably for the same reason some one who owns a PC trashes consoles so much....
why bother analysing it, some people just like arguing about these things, and many others, it's just the nature of forums, it's not like it only happens here :p
Ganja
07-18-2010, 01:03 AM
Well, Mafia 2 will still be superior on the pc...
Whatever you say....:rolleyes:
FulcrumX
07-18-2010, 01:05 AM
The only real difference seems to be the graphics (and the PS3 getting extra DLC which the PC won't get).
It comes down to preference really. What do you prefer to play games on? That's all that matters.
Ganja
07-18-2010, 01:09 AM
With a steady investment of 50€ a month you can keep your PC up to date by buying the newest hardware and selling the old one ("old" meaning one month old) and when you're sick of it you can sell it for 1-2k and not 100€ as if it was a poor 360.
Yea, if I was a little nerd that wanted to spend MORE money to keep my PC up to date. I have better expenses, thanks though.
You sure are the bright one arn't you. Why don't you quit being a cheapskate and buy something for once that a company has worked hard on instead of being a freeloader.
Ganja.
Don't smoke it before you post.
I actually don't. I'd rather smoke though instead of sniff 8-balls which it seems like you have been doing with this whole post.
Your 1k computer will be outdate by a CONSOLE when that console will come out, that is 4 years later.
Why in the f*** would you compare a old PC, with a new PC, to prove that consoles are better than PCs ?
As MafiaFan says, apple and oranges.
Learn to read please. I said 3k gaming computer. So GJ.
Then do the logical thing: stop posting and GTFO.
I'd rather not and stay on here to ruin your retarded unethical posts.
But don't claim a console is better for gaming.
I just did. Keep on the bandwagon.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sande
07-18-2010, 01:29 AM
PC gaming is superior because you can make it cheaper by stealing the games? That's ridiculous. Of course you can save some money by breaking the law but it's still just WRONG.
It comes down to preference really. What do you prefer to play games on? That's all that matters.
That and money. I would be a PC gamer if it wasn't so expensive. So when considering my current financial situation, it is not worth it. Maybe in the next console generation I'll get a PC instead of a console..
The Janitor
07-18-2010, 02:01 AM
PC gaming is superior because you can make it cheaper by stealing the games? That's ridiculous. Of course you can save some money by breaking the law but it's still just WRONG.
Indeed, I certainly couldn't pirate Mafia 2 when the developers have poured all their hard work in to it.
That and money. I would be a PC gamer if it wasn't so expensive. So when considering my current financial situation, it is not worth it. Maybe in the next console generation I'll get a PC instead of a console..
It can be suprisingly cheap if you shop at the right place and build it yourself (sounds more complicated than it is, but I managed to build one with a walkthough video) Plus games are often a lot cheaper, sometimes there's great sales on Steam or D2D. Of course if you want the latest DX11 graphic cards it is going to be expensive.
Sande
07-18-2010, 02:34 AM
It can be suprisingly cheap if you shop at the right place and build it yourself (sounds more complicated than it is, but I managed to build one with a walkthough video) Plus games are often a lot cheaper, sometimes there's great sales on Steam or D2D. Of course if you want the latest DX11 graphic cards it is going to be expensive.
I know it's not very expensive when you now what to buy and from where. But even as much as 500 euros or even dollars would be way too much for me right now. And trying to build a decent rig for less than that would be kind of hard. I don't even have a monitor or OS.
The Janitor
07-18-2010, 03:19 AM
I don't even have a monitor or OS..
Then how can you post on this forum?
lol j/k :D
Darkness62
07-18-2010, 12:43 PM
lmao.
such a pc elitist comment.
read my other posts and your see i never doubted mafia 2 will be technically better on pc.
you're another dumb dumb.
Dopey the clown here makes a fine poster child for "dumb dumb", maybe when you learn to spell you can comment on others intelligence? I love the contradiction in his statement as well the PC version is technically superior, but any mention that the PC version is better gets a PC Elitist tag. Back to the circus console-tard.
MafiaFan
07-18-2010, 03:47 PM
I know it's not very expensive when you now what to buy and from where. But even as much as 500 euros or even dollars would be way too much for me right now. And trying to build a decent rig for less than that would be kind of hard. I don't even have a monitor or OS.
Well, if you bought a PC for other things (besides gaming)....
Why? Because they are really useful.
....you wouldn't look at as a $500 just to play games. If you have $300 to spend and you don't have any rig at all, a console is really your only option. But, I still don't think it's a good "value" when you combine the graphics with all the limitations with the pricier games (due to licensing fees) with the added cost of xbox live (for those with 360s) with many more reasons.
Once you get that first PC, you can just do small upgrades as technology progresses and as your budget allows.
All that you spend goes to feed the corporate video game marketing machine. MS and Sony love it because they can make more profit on it than with PC gaming. Bad for the gamer, good for them. They don't really need to come out with new hardware if not many people are gaming on the PC (with superior graphics), because there is little competition.
They spend so many millions of dollars to market it and downplay/belittle PC gaming that you forget about the PC. They create an unequal playing field by forcing developers to not release PC versions or to release them later. Think of Grand Theft Auto. Rockstar avoided ALL TALK about a possible PC version when they knew all along they were going to release it. When they do release it, it's clearly designed around the hardware limitations of the consoles. PC gamers get the short end of the stick and it happens all the time. MS and Sony desperately want to keep their console money-making machine going at all costs. If they could kill the PC market entirely, trust me, they would.
But console gamers should WANT a thriving PC industry! PC gaming is NOT your enemy. It would force Sony and MS to upgrade your hardware faster and the PC gaming industry pushes all that expensive, bleeding-edge hardware on PC gamers first. If console gamers want to see consoles with better hardware, they NEED it to trickle down from PC hardware first. If there is no PC gaming market, you don't get the kinds of advances in console hardware technology. You guys need to really think about this for a moment. I speak the truth.
I've had several consoles, but they've never stacked up to a PC - not by a long shot. I think only got them for Madden to be honest, which it was merely OK for. It wasn't a really good option on the PC.
Simply put, console gaming is introductory/entry-level gaming. You get a very limited system with the lowest level of graphics power/performance. Yes, it's relatively inexpensive (again, I question the value of it though), but that comes at a price.
If you console gamers are ready to step up to something better, get a PC. There is no other option. Quit allowing yourselves to be pawns for Sony and MS.
Genovese1311
07-18-2010, 04:43 PM
PCs are harder to mantain, there is always updating drivers, upgrading, this and that bla bla bla... I know a lot a people who got screwed over by some local pc stores, a friend of mine bought a 500 dollar pc five times weaker than mine... 1gb ram, 8600gt, 150gb hdd and so on... My point is: If you don't know jack about technology, buy a console...