When will Mafia 2 finally get the respect it DESERVES!

[Alan Wake]

I'm sick, and tired. Reading comments, of clueless gamers. They keep believing this is a sandbox title, they keep calling it a GTA rip off. They diss the game, and claim it as nothing special.

Then the media barely covers the game, while focusing on Dead Space 2, or Natal. I mean what does Mafia 2 have to do so people can wake up?

[Styvesant]

Get released. So all those gamers shut their mouths once and for all. Mafia II is going to knock them on their asses when it comes out, but ONLY when it comes out.

[JJjoinut99]

Haha YES i agree these Mafia-haters will realise thier mistakes! :p
They say it's a GTA ripoff but i bet most of them will buy it.

[Fugue]

Then the media barely covers the game, while focusing on Dead Space 2

don't have a problem with that, is right behind Mafia 2 on my most wanted list ;)

Mafia 2 has had a lot of very positive press imo, compared to Mafia 1 an enormous amount :p and am sure the demo will make a big impression, it sounds like it'll be August before things really kick off, which makes sense.

[JJjoinut99]

they have the support of us, the faithful fanbase who will wait for this game and already know how great it will be. :)

[ironbear66]

I'm sick, and tired. Reading comments, of clueless gamers. They keep believing this is a sandbox title, they keep calling it a GTA rip off. They diss the game, and claim it as nothing special.

Then the media barely covers the game, while focusing on Dead Space 2, or Natal. I mean what does Mafia 2 have to do so people can wake up?

i know what you mean, i read tons of those comments.
GTA got nothing on Mafia, no class, boring storyline, i mean who carries a machinegun or a flamethrower, not that realistic.

[Hatesink]

It's been said that you'll never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator and I think GTA does just that to appeal to a develop kind of tribal group think. It's the GTA-youth.

Kudos to 2K and Illusion for investing in quality.

[Tez Jaggs]

i like the gta's and i am also going to like mafia 2.
but i dont think gta ever aimed to be realistic in the way mafia does, gta is just for fun coz who is going to have a rpg or chainsaw in their pocket if they are trying to go for a realistic approach.
but everyone here moaning about the gta comparisons i agree with u.
but like it or not gta is a king among games and probably always will be, you can't argue with the masses who buy it.

[Hatesink]

...but everyone here moaning about the gta comparisons i agree with u.but like it or not gta is a king among games and probably always will be, you can't argue with the masses who buy it.

I've been waiting for GTA's driving model to get realistic enough for me to enjoy playing it. The moment it hits that mark I'm in, but until then, it just doesn't represent good value to me.

I mean does it even support a racing wheel yet? :confused:

I'm upgrading my PC for mafia but one of the reasons I want to keep my 360 is to play GTAIV. I'm going to give the series another try but I should imagine the driving will feel too fake for me to really like it, in which case, it would be a shame, since I could have had another game to play.

I don't want GTA to fail, I just think it does, while it's core audience can't seem to get enough of it.

For me the bottom line for open world driving games is. They must have manual gear shifting, they must at least have a bonnet cam, even then I might not play it. They must have a driving model that at least attempts to simulate a driving simulation and not just be some crazy defiance of all the rules of physics.

For me, an open world driving game or driving sim where you're not able to sit in the driving seat, is like a game developed from the ground up as an FPS, but where you're only allowed to control it from a third person perspective. To extend the metaphor, bumper cam is like an FPS where the camera's stuck on the end of the protagonist's gun. In a word— ridiculous.

[Tez Jaggs]

I've been waiting for GTA's driving model to get realistic enough for me to enjoy playing it. The moment it hits that mark I'm in, but until then, it just doesn't represent good value to me.

I mean does it even support a racing wheel yet? :confused:

I'm upgrading my PC for mafia but one of the reasons I want to keep my 360 is to play GTAIV. I'm going to give the series another try but I should imagine the driving will feel too fake for me to really like it, in which case, it would be a shame, since I could have had another game to play.

I don't want GTA to fail, I just think it does, while it's core audience can't seem to get enough of it.

For me the bottom line for open world driving games is. They must have manual gear shifting, they must at least have a bonnet cam, even then I might not play it. They must have a driving model that at least attempts to simulate a driving simulation and not just be some crazy defiance of all the rules of physics.

For me, an open world driving game or driving sim where you're not able to sit in the driving seat, is like a game developed from the ground up as an FPS, but where you're only allowed to control it from a third person perspective. To extend the metaphor, bumper cam is like an FPS where the camera's stuck on the end of the protagonist's gun. In a word— ridiculous.

well to be honest you are in a very small minority then.
like i said gta is a king among games like it or not, it will always sell millions and the majority of people will always enjoy it. no offence but i doubt rockstar care that you dont like it or another few minority, they sold absolute millions of copies.

[alexxx20]

big difference ---mafia 2 - gta4 ....mafia 2 (great story gream gameplay_) gta 4 ( stupid story_those who made them , had no imagination...... nice gameplay but only for fun)

[spark6665]

don't have a problem with that, is right behind Mafia 2 on my most wanted list ;)

Mafia 2 has had a lot of very positive press imo, compared to Mafia 1 an enormous amount :p and am sure the demo will make a big impression, it sounds like it'll be August before things really kick off, which makes sense.

Why don`t you ever say '' I '' am? '' It '' is? etc.. :D :confused:

[Onionbelt]

I'm not concerned with what other people think of Mafia 2. If it's a formidable game then it will get respect. This isn't a popularity contest.

[sanpreet]

Lets just get the dam game on the shelves and then people will learn to respect the game and when that happens everything will fall into place.

[Fugue]

Why don`t you ever say '' I '' am? '' It '' is? etc.. :D :confused:

I like to give the pedants and grammar police something to do :p

[Hatesink]

well to be honest you are in a very small minority then...
like i said gta is a king among games like it or not, it will always sell millions and the majority of people will always enjoy it. no offence but i doubt rockstar care that you dont like it or another few minority, they sold absolute millions of copies.

Police Academy spawned six sequels and two TV series, one animated and one live action, but that doesn't make it a better film than Cassablanca.

If you like seeing a guy get his head stuck up a horses butt, rather than watching a silver screen icon that's your choice. It just doesn't really interest me.

Ultimately I guess it's a matter of taste, I just happen to think GTA is a very poor quality franchise.

[Fugue]

Police Academy spawned six sequels films and two TV series, one animated and one live action, but that doesn't make it a better film than Cassablanca.

good point ;)

early on in Mafia 2 development I did think they were courting the GTA fanbase with features like going to the gym, side missions etc but am glad that was all dropped.

It'll probably mean less sales imo but it does mean Mafia 2 will be the sequel I was hoping for, credit where it's due that was a bold move by 2K, I think making such a linear game in today's market is risky, but anything else would have been a sell out :p

[Hatesink]

good point ;)

Cheers :)


It'll probably mean less sales imo...You know, to be honest I don't think it will. I think everyones going to play it anyway. I think the only way they wouldn't is if they're truly brainwashed.

I think the only GTA fans that won't play Mafia 2 are the little kids who are to impatient to stay on the driving model's learning curve. I think those numbers should be offset by everyone that'll be playing who would probably never even think of playing GTA.

I think a lot of people will probably play GTA for the first time after playing Mafia 2 and find it to be really disappointing (basically what happened to me after playing the original Mafia). I was originally an adventure game and driving sim fanatic.

[Fugue]

Mafia 2 has been marketed as a sandbox game, has been said in a lot of previews, 2K have certainly been pushing the game as such and am sure there are many expecting a lot more "freedom" than the game really has.

the original games concept doesn't really fit into any genre, same seems to be true of Mafia 2, it's really a very linear game with an open world setting, but you can't have linear and sandbox together...

I do think there will be a minor backlash either on the demo release or after the full game hits the shelves, it has been hinted at here and in a few previews, just wait till the press get the game and realise you can't do much outside of the story ;)

[tanner0079]

i really dont care for the side missions in gta i am glad mafia 2 does not have any side missions so they can work on the story more. also there is no reason for them i just fight cops or do the story again after beat.

[1Sicilian1]

Anytime the player has the freedom to breathe and explore the city, with the option of doing various activities i.e. robbing stores, purchasing clothes, modding cars...i consider it a sandbox title.

[1Sicilian1]

breathe between missions*

[Fugue]

sandbox to me =


the user is entertained by their ability to play creatively, boundless of artificial structural constraints, and with there being "no right way"[5] of playing the game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_world

from what has been said there is only "one way" to play the game, the fact that you can buy a suit or paint your car is irrelevant, it's still linear....

[Hatesink]

I think that, rather than a genre, "sandbox" describes a type of play, or the type of design which enables that type of play. Mafia has sandbox elements, but isn't so heavily biased towards sandbox that it could be called a sandbox game (in my oponion), although it could become recognised as a new archetype that alters the definition of the term.

[Fugue]

this could run and run ;)

if I buy a "sandbox" game I always expect to pick it up and have all sorts of options open to me, where to go, who to work for, no particular order for missions etc (excepting the story has to progress)

applies, to GTA, Just Cause, Crackdown, Mercenaries etc etc

Mafia's only sandbox element is the open world, but the game is structured in a way that then removes all the freedom of those other games, so it's not really sandbox, but smaller, more shoebox :p

[Hatesink]

Although it does have sandbox elements I Personally don't think of Mafia as being sandbox.

[HD Dime]

BUT it is:D

[Mafiashock]

BUT it is:D

No it's not. Mafia 2 is a linear mission to mission game set in an open world enviornment...unlike a sandbox game (gta) where you can go do whatever you want inbetween choosing from multiple missions on your map. Mafia 2 will follow a straight path beginning to end and once it ends there's nothing else to do but restart. Mafia 2 is NOT a sandbox title.

[packardcaribien]

Well it's a psuedo sandbox game. You have a goal, and you can do anything within reason between getting the gaol and achieving it. But you go straight from goal to getting a new one. Better than a sandbox, me thinks. ;)

[w0onka]

HEY GUYS WAKE UP!:D

STOP HATING GTA!

GTA is a ****ing good game stop saying it is just a boring storyline, bad graphics n stuff it is awesome!

Now of course we all know Mafia I is better than GTAIV (wich is good), and that Mafia II will totally kill GTAIV but it is not a good reason enought to say it is a bad game!

Keep respect for one of the best sandbox games EVER!:mad:

[w0onka]

HEY GUYS WAKE UP!:D

STOP HATING GTA!

GTA is a ****ing good game stop saying it is just a boring storyline, bad graphics n stuff it is awesome!

Now of course we all know Mafia I is better than GTAIV (wich is good), and that Mafia II will totally kill GTAIV but it is not a good reason enought to say it is a bad game!

Keep respect for one of the best sandbox games EVER!:mad:

[Don_Vito]

HEY GUYS WAKE UP!:D

STOP HATING GTA!

GTA is a ****ing good game stop saying it is just a boring storyline, bad graphics n stuff it is awesome!

Maybe that is their opinion so deal with it

[HD Dime]

I'm just going to put this out there, G-T-A-IV is... better than Mafia I. It's more funner, more realistic, and sold 100x more copies, but GTAs story is not as great:D .

Face it Mafia I is an old game and GTA IV did better, now Mafia II will be better that GTA IV, but not in sales because GTA IV made records. (please don't get mad at me because what i'm saying is mostly truthful and what most people think):o

[HD Dime]

No it's not. Mafia 2 is a linear mission to mission game set in an open world enviornment...unlike a sandbox game (gta) where you can go do whatever you want inbetween choosing from multiple missions on your map. Mafia 2 will follow a straight path beginning to end and once it ends there's nothing else to do but restart. Mafia 2 is NOT a sandbox title.It's already been said that Mafia II is a sandbox-ish type in reviews. Even GTA IV isn't a true sand-box like Fallout. when your doing a mission in GTA, you can't stop and eat, save ect. In mafia II you can.

But Mafia II and GTA are more linear than sand-box, because it has not been said that GTA IV is an actual sandbox.

Games like Dragon age, oblivion, and Fallout, RDR, ect. are true sandboxes.

[Mafiashock]

I'm just going to put this out there, G-T-A-IV is... better than Mafia I. It's more funner, more realistic, and sold 100x more copies, but GTAs story is not as great:D .

Face it Mafia I is an old game and GTA IV did better, now Mafia II will be better that GTA IV, but not in sales because GTA IV made records. (please don't get mad at me because what i'm saying is mostly truthful and what most people think):o

You just lost all credibility with this post. First comparing mafia to fall out now this I will find it hard to take anything else you post seriously at all.

[Fugue]

because it has not been said that GTA IV is an actual sandbox.

...


Grand Theft Auto IV is, its creators tell me, the biggest leap forward in experiential sandbox gaming to ever come to the franchise, larger even than the one that brought the once 2D top-down series into the third dimension.


R* seem to think it is :p

I don't hate GTA4 at all, don't hate sandbox games either, I've played most if not all of them, but I would take a movie like game over any of them, every time.

[Tez Jaggs]

hd dime truly is a thick piece of sh!t
he has no idea what he is talking about whatsoever, everybody lets just ignore his comments and laugh at him.

[Vito28]

I'm just going to put this out there, G-T-A-IV is... better than Mafia I. It's more funner, more realistic, and sold 100x more copies, but GTAs story is not as great:D .

Face it Mafia I is an old game and GTA IV did better, now Mafia II will be better that GTA IV, but not in sales because GTA IV made records. (please don't get mad at me because what i'm saying is mostly truthful and what most people think):o

Speeding in GTA IV and the cops don't even chase after you:confused: = not realistic

Not picking on you but to me now gta iv is kinda boring now and have stopped playing it lately

[chalkman]

GTA4 truly is a fantastic game, but i much prefer the Mafia world. I'm having a hard time putting a fine point on why, and perhaps it is the presentation as well as detailed emphasis on cinematic story telling as opposed to GTA's (pretty much standard) story line of rise and fall of a criminal empire. I suppose there was a redeeming quality in Tommy (mafia 1) in that he was reluctantly drawn to a life of crime, whereas Nico more or less has become war hardened and seemingly drawn to the violence.

Style being the other thing that seems to separate the two, Mafia obviously - setting is incredibly important and the subject matter is dealt with in a very serious way - thus adding to the believability of the world. In GTA4 listening to the other citizens and the Radio stations - everything is played way over the top, and has a lot of comedic value. To me that takes out some of the immersion that you are in a 'real' world.

The third thing to me that makes Mafia a step above, is the driving physics. Anyone who has played GTA4 knows how over done the physics are. Also the consequences of poor driving are minimized to a high level.

To the point again, that everything about GTA4 is over the top IMO. Mafia is toned down to a believable hue.

I still like GTA4, but the Mafia 'world' is a much better platform for a believable and well written story line.

[Muffin]

Well, I didn't play GTA 4 so I don't know about that... but I know that everyone with a little good taste or everyone who saw at least one Martin Scorsese gangster movie or the Godfather is gonna prefer Mafia II :cool:

[Manius]

I will be honest I like GTA IV, but not the GTA series. I think they did better on a story for iV. Mafia II looks so much better. The people don't all looked slumped over. GTA people look like monkeys. I love the more realistic look of Mafia. I love the fact they are going to let you color your car how you want. I love detailing all my cars in games that allow me to.

Mafia II appears to offer a more fulfilling experience. However, Americans do love mindless games. So GTA survives by those that love a mindless experience.

The only two things that I can relate to this is Star Wars and Star Trek. I like them both and many other things, but the two have the same general problem. Star Trek is the more geek driven show. It is a lot more story driven and uses much science to its universe.

Star Wars is for those that like the magician. It is a great show, but lacks a real depth that is offered on other Sci-Fi shows.

[chalkman]

Lol so only Americans like GTA4? So what does that say about Americans that like Mafia?

I'd say that you took some liberties with that statement. GTA4 isn't the sharpest game in the shed, but i wouldn't call it mindless. Silly perhaps, yes. It does run short on having duality of the inner struggle like Tommy did with mafia. It's just a given that Nico is drawn to violence.

[Thymen Molizzo]

Well, I didn't play GTA 4 so I don't know about that... but I know that everyone with a little good taste or everyone who saw and enjoyed at least one Martin Scorsese gangster movie or the Godfather is gonna prefer Mafia II :cool:

I have played GTA IV, and it was fun, but completely unrealistic when it comes down to the story.

Anyways, fix'd your post.

[danangleland]

GTA4 truly is a fantastic game, but i much prefer the Mafia world. I'm having a hard time putting a fine point on why, and perhaps it is the presentation as well as detailed emphasis on cinematic story telling as opposed to GTA's (pretty much standard) story line of rise and fall of a criminal empire. I suppose there was a redeeming quality in Tommy (mafia 1) in that he was reluctantly drawn to a life of crime, whereas Nico more or less has become war hardened and seemingly drawn to the violence.

Style being the other thing that seems to separate the two, Mafia obviously - setting is incredibly important and the subject matter is dealt with in a very serious way - thus adding to the believability of the world. In GTA4 listening to the other citizens and the Radio stations - everything is played way over the top, and has a lot of comedic value. To me that takes out some of the immersion that you are in a 'real' world.

The third thing to me that makes Mafia a step above, is the driving physics. Anyone who has played GTA4 knows how over done the physics are. Also the consequences of poor driving are minimized to a high level.

To the point again, that everything about GTA4 is over the top IMO. Mafia is toned down to a believable hue.

I still like GTA4, but the Mafia 'world' is a much better platform for a believable and well written story line.

I think you summed up the differences between the two games perfectly, and why I much prefer Mafia to GTA (although all the GTA games are impressive to me, even the 2D ones, and the first GTA 3 game is my favourite of the series). They really are considerably different types of game; the similarities are fairly superficial.

[chalkman]

Thanks, I was trying to figure out why I loved Mafia so much more and that is all i could come up with.

[frankyitalysays]

This is retarded. Gta is good and mafia is good, infact so is fallout and most other little sandbox games. End of story.

Stop dissecting the games and just enjoy them. Oh and keep your dumb opinions to yourself.

[Hatesink]

...and keep your dumb opinions to yourself.What...like you did? :D

[Thymen Molizzo]

The thread topic should be: "When will Mafia II's creators lose respect?"
Then the answer would be simple. If they'd announce console exclusive DLC.

Wait... whu....what?! They already did?!

[chalkman]

This is retarded. Gta is good and mafia is good, infact so is fallout and most other little sandbox games. End of story.

Stop dissecting the games and just enjoy them. Oh and keep your dumb opinions to yourself.

There also is this thing called the 'back' button on your browser and you can use it if you do not wish to join the discussion! If you don't have anything intelligent to add to the thread please use it.

[JJjoinut99]

The thread topic should be: "When will Mafia II's creators lose respect?"
Then the answer would be simple. If they'd announce console exclusive DLC.

Wait... whu....what?! They already did?!

hehe lol
that perfectly sums the annoncement up. :p

[Fugue]

The thread topic should be: "When will Mafia II's creators lose respect?"
Then the answer would be simple. If they'd announce console exclusive DLC.

Wait... whu....what?! They already did?!

if the "creators" are the developers it's kind of hard to blame 2KCzech for the decision, I doubt they had any say in it :o

changes nothing, they've always made stunning games regardless of any decisions by their publisher, have nothing but complete respect for them, they gave me many years of great gaming with H&D 1/2 and Mafia, which is still a work of genius :D

[tanner0079]

why do you pc, xbox360 owners always cry i own all three but when ps3 gets one exclusive dlc you guys cry about it you dont see ps3 owners crying that xbox360 got call of dudy black ops and modern warfare 2 dlc exclusive or the gta dlcs you got exclusive so stop your crying.

[Vito Scaletta]

The thread topic should be: "When will Mafia II's creators lose respect?"
Then the answer would be simple. If they'd announce console exclusive DLC.

Wait... whu....what?! They already did?!

You know what makes me laugh, As that people here think that 2K Czech decided to do Sony exclusive DLC's.
It appears most people here don't know there @$$ from elbow.

This is how it works, Sony came to 2K Games.
Sony believes Mafia II will be a hit when it releases, Sony paid 2K to build exclusive content for the PS3.
Same happened to GTAIV on the Xbox, Microsoft paid over 70 million US dollars. For the DLC's and for them to be exclusive.

I hate it how you people here are attacking 2K Czech, Sony paid 2K to build exclusive DLC's for there platform.

And if you people here had a game, And Sony offered you a S%@Tload of money to build exclusive DLC's.
You people here would do the exact same thing.

And I say it's about damn time, That the PS3 got some exclusive DLC's.

[Tez Jaggs]

why do you pc, xbox360 owners always cry i own all three put when ps3 gets one exclusive dlc you guys cry about it you dont see ps3 owners crying that xbox360 got call of dudy black ops and modern warfare 2 dlc exclusive or the gta dlcs you got exclusive so stop your crying.

in countless threads you just have been flaming trying to get a response.
shut up you idiot and jog on.

[Vito Scaletta]

why do you pc, xbox360 owners always cry

I'm buying Mafia II on the PC, And I'm not complaining or crying.

[tanner0079]

I'm buying Mafia II on the PC, And I'm not complaining or crying.

i was not saying that all of you cry just the ones that always cry about exclusive dlcs. the ones that dont understand it is a timed release

[Vito Scaletta]

i was not saying that all of you cry just the ones that always cry about exclusive dlcs. the ones that dont understand it is a timed release

Yea, I understood what you meant.

What I mean is that I am getting it on PC, And I'm not upset so I don't know why others are upset.

[Thymen Molizzo]

I blame Sony, and not 2k.
I'm just angry in general, as I was really thrilled for this game.
It's the first game I visit a forum like this for.
And now I hear I will be missing out on something, because I don't have a certain console.

[Fugue]

if it's not there it's obviously not something critical, more likely one of the cut "side missions" so the am sure the experience as a whole will still be as epic as the first game.

I still think it stinks :p but it's certainly not going to stop me enjoying the game, after 8 years of hoping & waiting for a sequel I don't think anything could.