"single city states/religion gone?"

[barber49]

Is it true that in civ v they r taking out religion?

i read it somewere but i couldnt believe my eyes when i sore it so someone please tell me it is still there or that they have taken it away,

but anyways i have an idea if they have or a way to use it more effectively
single state city's could be vatican city or what ever city started a particular religion- they could go around spreading the religion in different powers, so that if u wanted them to be taken over u would have to deal with the ppl hating u that he has already got to believe and spreaded his religion to them, but there will also be major cash for having that religion cause it is the holy city, and that it is where the religous wonders should be built. i dont know i think it is a good idea what u guys think

+ first post ever on any site? good one>? haha

[Marthieu du Blois]

1) Religion is out.:(
2) City states are introduced, not taken away!
3) Vatican can be simulated in CivIV BtS.
4) Correct your grammar:D

[Iván de España]

I read that the programmers are thinking to include the religions. Probably, they had prepared the religions for the expansions.

[Marthieu du Blois]

I read that the programmers are thinking to include the religions. Probably, they had prepared the religions for the expansions.

1) That's a shame.:mad:
2) But hope that instead of religions there will be idealogies.

[eireksten]

Is it true that in civ v they r taking out religion?

The way I have understood it, they've "removed" it in the sense that its not represented as it was in Civ4. Religion is still a part of the game, only you won't be spamming missionaries all game and have all alliances in the game defined by said missionary spam. A good thing, imo. As fun as it was in Civ4, I want something different now.


but anyways i have an idea

Sounds like a viable idea for a mod. Will have to see how religions are represented in the game, though.


+ first post ever on any site? good one>? haha

Welcome to 2K forums :)

[Kruelgor]

4) Correct your grammar:D

Be nice. There's a lot of International players and their English is much better than most American's foreign language skills.

[Kruelgor]

Jon Shafer could be suffering from trying to prove too much how great and mighty of a designer he thinks he is. I hope that's not the case. We'll just have to wait and see. If he tries to implement too many radical ideas then it risks the chance of being a complete mess.

I think the 1 unit per hexagon has the potential of being complete fail, but like I said, we just have to wait and see.

Allow Kruelgor to design Civilization VI and I'll quadruple Jon Shafer's sales.

[Oafkad]

The way I have understood it, they've "removed" it in the sense that its not represented as it was in Civ4. Religion is still a part of the game, only you won't be spamming missionaries all game and have all alliances in the game defined by said missionary spam. A good thing, imo. As fun as it was in Civ4, I want something different now.



Sounds like a viable idea for a mod. Will have to see how religions are represented in the game, though.



Welcome to 2K forums :)'

If what you say is the case then I for one will be very happy once I do own it. I couldn't stand the missionary stuff. I did like rushing to get all the religions though.

I was a god monopolist :).

[krooner]

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If what you say is the case then I for one will be very happy once I do own it. I couldn't stand the missionary stuff. I did like rushing to get all the religions though.

I was a god monopolist :).

Owning all the religions was awesome for cultural/financial dominance. I never got the early ones because of the civ I usually play, but I could usually pick off a couple later ones.

[Oafkad]

Owning all the religions was awesome for cultural/financial dominance. I never got the early ones because of the civ I usually play, but I could usually pick off a couple later ones.

Civilization taught me that Islam was the youngest religion.

It came in handy in college when I epic pwned some kid who said Christianity was the youngest faith.

Educational game FTW.

[krooner]

Civilization taught me that Islam was the youngest religion.

It came in handy in college when I epic pwned some kid who said Christianity was the youngest faith.

Educational game FTW.

I would argue that the youngest religion is Man-caused Global Warming, but that probably strays too much into political debate on this forum.

So I didn't say that.

[Oafkad]

I would argue that the youngest religion is Man-caused Global Warming, but that probably strays too much into political debate on this forum.

So I didn't say that.

Good thing you didn't. Not exactly the best time to say man isn't negatively influencing the environment.

Or at least I imagine BP isn't mentioning it very often.

[krooner]

Good thing you didn't. Not exactly the best time to say man isn't negatively influencing the environment.

Or at least I imagine BP isn't mentioning it very often.

Yes, but it's unfortunate we have to drill so far out in the ocean a mile under water to get to oil when there is plenty of it on land and in shallow (less riskier) depths that we aren't allowed to due to those "religious" fanatics.

Plenty of blame to go around for the situation- include BP, but don't stop there.

[BlackwatchGuards]

Yup, pretty messed up generally. I think that religion was very poorly instituted in Civ4. If it was going to be the same way, then I'm glad it was gone. I think city-sates will be a cool substitute though. I hated it when the moment you met someone they hated you just because you were different religion.

[Oafkad]

Yes, but it's unfortunate we have to drill so far out in the ocean a mile under water to get to oil when there is plenty of it on land and in shallow (less riskier) depths that we aren't allowed to due to those "religious" fanatics.

Plenty of blame to go around for the situation- include BP, but don't stop there.

http://intellectualventureslab.com/?p=687

Three thousands years of energy just sitting in barrels in (I believe) Missouri.

Oil is, not unlike cars, an ancient technology that has no place in the modern world. The fact that we still use it is insulting to the collective intelligence of all living humans.

While you are there check out their videos of hunting mosquitoes with lazers. Technology is a beautiful thing.

My comment about automobiles is that they've been ripe for innovation for what...100 years now? The only major innovation has been the catalytic converter. It is a stagnation of innovation that is powered only by greed and misinformation and not by actual limitations in our understanding of the technology :/.

[krooner]

Cool video on the nuclear reactor- I think it's ridiculous that we haven't built a new nuclear reactor in this country in decades. It may not be the perfect energy source, but you'd think environmentalists would be happy to trade off coal-produced electricity for nuclear in a heartbeat. Trying to reduce oil dependence by switching everyone to battery powered cars that are charged by coal produced electricity is like spitting into the wind.

That being said, I also don't have an issue using oil while better, more efficient sources are developed and made mainstream. To try and force the change faster via regulation just increases the cost of energy and makes us uncompetitive in a global economy. Ask Spain how that's working out for them.

Also, cool video on the laser system for mosquito's- I want one for my backyard!

[Oafkad]

Cool video on the nuclear reactor- I think it's ridiculous that we haven't built a new nuclear reactor in this country in decades. It may not be the perfect energy source, but you'd think environmentalists would be happy to trade off coal-produced electricity for nuclear in a heartbeat. Trying to reduce oil dependence by switching everyone to battery powered cars that are charged by coal produced electricity is like spitting into the wind.

That being said, I also don't have an issue using oil while better, more efficient sources are developed and made mainstream. To try and force the change faster via regulation just increases the cost of energy and makes us uncompetitive in a global economy. Ask Spain how that's working out for them.

Also, cool video on the laser system for mosquito's- I want one for my backyard!

Well the good news is that using Thorium and the above example you will produce essentially limitless energy for thousands of years off of materials we already acquired during the Cold War :).

Then you just start switching cars to electric and BAM lifes sexy.

Plus then people stop harassing you for leaving lights on :(. (The assumption of thousands of years of energy is with higher levels of waste than currently).

PS. AFAIK France has 70% of its energy coming from Nuclear Plants and they have 0 complaints. I may be mistaken on that though.

[krooner]

Free Market principles would argue that introducing that type of technology would ultimately begin reducing the cost of electricity over the long term. Electricity would then become the preferred source of energy and begin pushing fossil fuels out of the market due to not being price competitive.

Environmentalists win. Consumers win. Economy wins. Everyone is happy and problem is solved without government intervention. I like it.

You're in the ballpark on France. Again, it's just dumb we haven't developed it more here. That's what happens when you have two powerful lobbies (environmentalists and the coal industry) exerting too much influence on politicians. The irony is rich.

Also- have to say it's nice to have a civil conversation with someone on a forum. I'll probably jinx this and a troll will post soon.

[barber49]

They surely cant go back on just having temples and all that, they have to have the religions in it, otherwise it would just not be right it is such a big part of the world and has allways has been, wars are started by religion so they should be in the game, so if they tinker with it fine but taking it out just takes away a awesome part of the game i think that sucks!

plus the bloke having a go at my spelling earlier on needs to get a life, find a woman or something i dont know. or just getting a life probs a bit easier.
xx

[Marthieu du Blois]

I would argue that the youngest religion is Man-caused Global Warming, but that probably strays too much into political debate on this forum.

So I didn't say that.

Rather idealogy, which is the younger correspondent of religion, and can coexist well (exception: the first two)
Fascism
Communism
Liberalism
Environmentalism
Feudalism
Anarchism:mad:

They have agitators instead of missionaries, and not temples but... something else.

Maybe Corporations are the newest kind of these.

[JJDXB]

Liberalism and Communism can coexist (AKA Modern Socialism), just some of their ideals are watered down. Fascism ... I have nothing.

[Mythicos]

Is it true that in civ v they r taking out religion?

i read it somewere but i couldnt believe my eyes when i sore it so someone please tell me it is still there or that they have taken it away,

but anyways i have an idea if they have or a way to use it more effectively
single state city's could be vatican city or what ever city started a particular religion- they could go around spreading the religion in different powers, so that if u wanted them to be taken over u would have to deal with the ppl hating u that he has already got to believe and spreaded his religion to them, but there will also be major cash for having that religion cause it is the holy city, and that it is where the religous wonders should be built. i dont know i think it is a good idea what u guys think

+ first post ever on any site? good one>? haha

Back to what the OP was wondering about...

Hopefully this will help you: the following is from PC JEUX (the french PC Games magazine), march 2010:


Néanmoins, toute la partie "sociétale" du jeu devrait être refondue. Que ce soient les religions ou les systèmes politiques, ce qui définit la nature même de votre civilisation va différer totalement des autres opus de la série. Les religions, par exemple, ne nécessiteront plus la construction de merveilles du monde ou la découverte d'une technologie. Elles ne pèseront plus sur els relaitons diplomatiques entre deux nations. Désormais la religion, tout comme l'écologie ou la tyrannie, devraient constituer plus ou moins un modèle de développpement. Le studio reste très vague sur le sujet, mais chaque civilisation pourra adopter un modèle de société à suivre et à développer tout au long de son essor. Chaque modèle serait lié à un arbre spécifique de technologies à découvrir, apportant certains avantages. Par exemple, une société où la religion occupe une place centrale pourra verser dans le polythéisme, puis le monothéisme, avant de céder la place à une institution cléricale omnipotente, etc. [...] Parmi les arbres pressentis, on annonce également (les sociétés tyranniques), les sociétés traditionnelles et sans doute une voie démocratique.

Here's my translation (I'm no translator, but I speak both english and french and often have to translate from one to the other at work; feel free to refer to the original french version !). I was careful to keep the conditionnal tenses where appropriate :) :


"Nevertheless, all the "societal" part of the game should be re-done. Be it religions or political systems, what really defines your civilization will completely differ from previous versions of the game. Religions, for example, will not necessitate building a World Wonder or the discovery of a new technology. They won't matter for diplomatic relations between two nations. From now on, religion, like ecology or tyranny, should more or less constitute a development model. The studio (i.e. Firaxis) is being very vague on the subject, but each civilization will be able to adopt a society model that it will follow and develop during its rise. Each model would be linked to a specific tech tree to be discovered, bringing with it certain advantages. For example, a society with religion at its core could adopt polytheism, then monotheism, before being led by an omnipotent clerical institution. ([...] long example on tyrannical societies [...]) Among the anticipated tree techs, (tyrannical societies), traditionnal societies are announced, probably along with a democratic path."

So there you go: religion is not gone from the game, but it will have little in common with the CIV IV version.

Hope that helped.

[barber49]

yeah thats of awesome help thank you, i cant wait for it to come out it willl be hectic

[Mythicos]

My pleasure, barber49! I too can't wait for Civ V to come out !

[Ziggyz]

Right now I'm haveing some second thoughts about this game...

[Janari]

Cool video on the nuclear reactor- I think it's ridiculous that we haven't built a new nuclear reactor in this country in decades. It may not be the perfect energy source, but you'd think environmentalists would be happy to trade off coal-produced electricity for nuclear in a heartbeat.

Nuclear power is not clean and environmentally acceptable just because it doesn't produce carbondioxide. Mining uranium is extremely hazardous, and western companies haven't exactly been keen to clean up their mess in third world countries once the mines have been depleted. Environmentalists that only think through carbondioxide and promote nuclear power are not environmentalists at all in my opinion, because nuclear power carries a much heavier environmental burden on its back than, say, oil.

Speaking of oil, the demand is on the increase and the supply is on the decrease. Practically all modern societies are dependent of it. Something big will happen soon, and it probably won't be very pretty.

As for religion in Civ 5, I would like to see a system where you could "design" your own religion: certain features would award certain bonuses and penalties. You could tailor a religion to suit your playstyle. After all, religions aren't something that develop independently from their culture. Take a look at any period of time in history, the religions seem to strangely change over time to be convenient for their time...

[krooner]

You should look at the video- the proposed technology uses uranium that is essentially "waste" from current reactors and at the end of the process has consumed the radioactive material. Hypothetically, we wouldn't need to mine anymore, at least not for centuries.

Nothing will happen soon on oil. Yes, demand is increasing, but supply isn't necessarily decreasing While it is technically true that since it takes oil billions of years to actually form and therefore supply must be decreasing in an absolute sense, the reality is they keep discovering new oil fields around the world, as well as developing technology to access fields previously out of reach. The only thing that will cause a reduction in oil production in the next 100+ years is simply a more efficient, easier supplied alternative.

Just as an example, there is a field that stretches from the Montana's/Dakota's up into Canada that in 1995 was estimated by the USGS to contain 151 million barrels of recoverable oil. In 2008 they released a revised survey and increased that number to 3-4.3 billion barrels. In only a period of 13 years, that is a 25-fold increase on just that one field.

The only thing that will cause a shortage of oil are environmentalists in the way of getting to it, not a lack of actual oil.


Link to USGS article:

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911

[Marthieu du Blois]

The nasty thing with oil: Standard Ethanol will be founded, and so Cereal Mills and Sid's Sushi Co. will :eek:

Back to the topic: religions. I think they should be founded by Great Prophets, just like Corporations.

Judaism . . . . . . . Moses
Christianity . . . . .Christ
Islam . . . . . . . . .Muhammad
Buddhism . . . . . . Buddha
Taoism . . . . . . . .Lao-ce
Confucianism . . . .Confucius or Con-fu-ce

Hinduism is the only problematic one.

[FeddyPoap]

I wonder if we'll see more religions. Such as Zoroastrianism, which was founded in modern day Iran in 6th Century BC. That was the big one in the middle east before Mohammad came around. It would be pretty cool to see things other than the standard seven, ya know?

[Gaskets]

Civilization taught me that Islam was the youngest religion.

It came in handy in college when I epic pwned some kid who said Christianity was the youngest faith.

Educational game FTW.

Your being saracastic right, Islam was founded in the seventh century about six hundred years after christianity and hence many other faiths . . .

[marcelbutkis]

Your being saracastic right, Islam was founded in the seventh century about six hundred years after christianity and hence many other faiths . . .

My bigger issue was that there are newer religions (of coure, not with massive followings, but still).

[Gaskets]

My bigger issue was that there are newer religions (of coure, not with massive followings, but still).

The bigger issue is that the most petty and trivial miscalculations in games result in people going around and spreading idiocy. It makes my blood boil.

[FeddyPoap]

Your being saracastic right, Islam was founded in the seventh century about six hundred years after christianity and hence many other faiths . . .

That's exactly what his post says :rolleyes:

A lesson to us all: it pays to read posts a number of times before you respond to them.

[Marthieu du Blois]

There is a mod, I think Greek world, where there are the religions:
Zoroastrianism
Judaism
Mesopotamian polytheism
Greek polytheism
Christianity
Hinduism
Kemetism

Or the Gods of Old: An, Inanna, Utu, Nanna, Ki, etc.

Or another solution would be the introduction of Idealogies. Commun-, fasc-, environmental-, liberal-, anarch-:mad:, pacif-ism.

[Janri]

by all accounts Christianity and Islam are approximately the same age. they both developed around the same time period. Christianity spread faster thats the biggest difference.

[Marthieu du Blois]

by all accounts Christianity and Islam are approximately the same age. they both developed around the same time period. Christianity spread faster thats the biggest difference.

Just look up their calendar systems! It tells everything.

Christian calendar starting year=1 AD. That is when Jesus was born.

Muslim calendar starting year=622 AD. That's when Mohammad had to flee from Mecca to Medina.

Is this ~600 year difference in the 'same time period'?:p

[krooner]

Is this ~600 year difference in the 'same time period'?:p

In the sense that neither were in the Paleozoic Era, yes. It's all relative, of course.