Strange Letters?Possible new viral campaign? (Read first post for Synopsis)

[auditdirox]

Really, it's the same thing over and over again.

"Man, I hope we get something"
"Jeez, I wonder what they are?"
"Anyone get anything?"

you forgot
"nope nothing here"

GASP.....1000TH THREAD POST-HIGHLIGHT FO THE WEEK :D:D:D:D

[Epstein_The_Swami]

you forgot
"nope nothing here"

GASP.....1000TH THREAD POST-HIGHLIGHT FO THE WEEK :D:D:D:D

Well, yeah. You don't find that annoying?

It brings me back to a particular SitS discussion month where the thread went up to a dang 400+ pages! August, maybe? Or September? There were a bunch of new people throwing out this useless stuff over and over again. They were probably alright people - I suppose they just figured they needed to be EVERY other post. Sometimes those threads were like chatrooms.

It's things like this that make it tough for people to keep up. Perhaps make the first post THE place to go for updates?

[BioShockLvr]

Lol, stop posting Epstein and Codex and company! Lol, you're all making it worse.

But I think it is a good idea to make the first place an updated one (keep it recent). If a mod could handle that, that'd be great!

[TheParasite]

As I said earlier, we probably WONT see anything until at least next week, possibly TWO weeks from now.

People should restrict themselves from posting here unless they actually receive something. The threads' in danger of getting unweildy.

I couldn't have put it any better Codex. From now on any irrelevant post not pertaining to receiving a letter or the materials in question will be removed and regarded as way off topic. This includes people who ask "Any update yet?" if there is an update it will be posted on the main post. I think anyone with any questions can rummage through the 100 pages and find an answer.

Sounds strict but this thread has gone from speculative and constructive opinions to "Should I send in another letter? " "I hope I get a letter" "omg I hope I get something" which isn't helpful in anyway.

Excitement is perfectly fine but posting more and more off-topic things only confuses people.

[auditdirox]

We've made the news....AGAIN!!!
some video game website just put up a story about "members of 2k forums recieving letters possibly related to a new bioshock 2 DLC"
I will post the link as soon as my friend sends it over.

[Azeru]

EVIDENCE RECEIVED!

Sorry this took so long to post - had dinner plans and then had to photograph everything. Here's a summary of what I received today (will also add to the OP):

I received a large envelope on 04/08/2010, containing the following:

- Top Secret letter from IDD Operation Hermes
- Infinivac Network Card
- PEU-17-1312 / 37 (Evidence #37) - Test tube filled with a tar-like black substance
- Chemical Analysis sheet of sample PEU-17-1312 / 37

Everything was viewed under a black light, nothing came up.

Full photo set here - click on "all sizes" to see large versions: http://www.flickr.com/photos/azeru/sets/72157623812754980/

I had to go to the post office and sign for the envelope. It's good that I waited until I got home to open it - the test tube could have looked very suspicious!

[IllusionOfLife]

Hmm, that's definitely interesting, but it's a strong blow against the theory that this relates to BioShock. First of all, this crime scene was on the surface in California (wrong ocean), and second of all it looks as if it is going to use the internet as a prop for the story rather than just the window into the past… I'm back to completely confused again.

[Codex]

Hmm, that's definitely interesting, but it's a strong blow against the theory that this relates to BioShock. First of all, this crime scene was on the surface in California (wrong ocean), and second of all it looks as if it is going to use the internet as a prop for the story rather than just the window into the past… I'm back to completely confused again.

And where was the Lutwidge crime scene, Illusion? California. For all we know the "body in the desert" is just to throw any potential pawns the letter went out to off the trail. Its the "organic substance" in the black vial that's a little worrysome.

[IllusionOfLife]

And where was the Lutwidge crime scene, Illusion? California. For all we know the "body in the desert" is just to throw any potential pawns the letter went out to off the trail. Its the "organic substance" in the black vial that's a little worrysome.

Yeah… but I don't know. It just doesn't feel like BioShock… I'm not sure what it feels like.

[Codex]

Yeah… but I don't know. It just doesn't feel like BioShock… I'm not sure what it feels like.

No, I have to agree with you there. This is starting to feel weird... er...

[auditdirox]

I'm gonna go with the if it smells like chicken and tastes like chicken it's chicken...idea of things.it still looks very bioshocky.
I asked my uncle(who just so happens to work at Los alamos national labs...if you don't know what that is google it) and he said that substance is the root of all neuclear evil...so this is starting to get exciting!!!!(and a little creepy)

[Goldenboy]

Wow what a creepy package to receive :)

Eveything hand written too with unique "PEU" numbers. The PEU appeared on the original letter too (PEU-001). PEU-17 might be a unique number for Azeru, or for the Pappadakis case...

As was posted on another forum, "Inifinivac" sounds like "Univac" one of the first computers back in 1951 WIKI LINK CLICKY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIVAC_I)

I wonder if everyone who got the letter will get the same test tube for the same case?

Exciting!!

[Vengeful]

Correct me if I'm wrong but hermes was the messenger as well as guide of peoples souls to the underworld, underworld being Rapture in this case or is that too far of a stretch?

[TheParasite]

Wow total curve ball. The Infinivac ticket for some reason reminded me of Fallout. The evidence though =/ I hope it's not Mafia.

[Relight]

WOW awesome package to receive! :eek:

I have no idea what any of it means, but it's awesome :p

[reddeath1888]

well it is like bioshock to use greek god's names or relating to greek gods and mythology.

for example:
apollo
persephone
dionysis
delta
posidon
adonis
neptune
arcadia
hephaestus
HERMES

[bluebuttpie]

Awesome. I really hope that I will also have such a thing waiting for me at the post office. But then again, I DO live all the way in Holland...

[Judgeofwings]

I wonder if the black stuff could be the result of long-distance teleporting,that is if this is in the Realm of Bioshock.

[Codex]

I wonder if the black stuff could be the result of long-distance teleporting,that is if this is in the Realm of Bioshock.

Now that's an interesting conclusion... As in Lutwidge teleported his way to San Fran and then gooped all over the place upon arrival, which was why they removed him when he wasn't dead because he was all goopy?

Its a better image in my head than it is in words, but hey. It could happen.

[reddeath1888]

guess where that UNIVAC I once operated at..... David W. Taylor Model Basin. which is possibly related to the return addresses

[Kyburz]

Woah, what a bombshell. Thanks for the pics Azeru. A black substance from a body, found in California? What are we doing in California now?

A lot of the tech does seem old school, I am still thinking this has to do with Bioshock, but this is nothing like anything in SitS. But the location and the nature of the evidence is very bizarre.

Maybe this is actually for Irrational's mystery game? Man, we are all dying for this evidence and it gives us more questions than answers AGAIN! It is listed as evidence #37, perhaps some of us will receive something different?

BTW Hermes is "Messenger of the gods, god of commerce, thieves, travelers, sports, and border crossings". Could simply be a reference to their program of sending out this evidence to other people instead of just researching it internally, thus the "messenger" aspect.

[bluebuttpie]

2 things: They call it operation hermes, that's a Bioshock thing.

And VIDERE EST CREDERE. Seeing is believing. Where did I see Latin as a motto before?

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

Hmm, Hermes, is the Guide to the Underworld (Rapture). Operation Hermes someone obviously wants to make it too Rapture. Who better to ask then SitS followers and/or pawns as we helped Meltzer. That could be the "expertise" they spoke of in the previous letter.

[Goldenboy]

guess where that UNIVAC I once operated at..... David W. Taylor Model Basin. which is possibly related to the return addresses

On the "Installation" list, yeah - nice pickup :)

Need some other people to start getting their materials..... I really want to see if there are a couple of different cases or if everyone gets the same thing.

Just as well there wont be too many heading to Australia. I cant imagine our overly enthusiatic customs giving the green-light to mysterious envelopes with black gooey substances - Sounds like a confiscated-by-quarantine-type thing :rolleyes:

[reddeath1888]

VIDERE EST CREDERE = Seeing Is Believing

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

On the "Installation" list, yeah - nice pickup :)

Need some other people to start getting their materials..... I really want to see if there are a couple of different cases or if everyone gets the same thing.

Just as well there wont be too many heading to Australia. I cant imagine our overly enthusiatic customs giving the green-light to mysterious envelopes with black gooey substances - Sounds like a confiscated-by-quarantine-type thing :rolleyes:

They better send it to Australia, I want in on this. :D

[Adam Addict L]

could this be the mysterious ''materials'' people were told they would recieve?? or if not culd this be related to it...whatever it is is??:confused:

[auditdirox]

Was there a return address on this package or was it scribbly mess like the letters. (or was there a lack of one like Ioop cards)

[Azeru]

Was there a return address on this package or was it scribbly mess like the letters. (or was there a lack of one like Ioop cards)

Only the same scribbly mess.

[Vengeful]

I am very surprised they even sent this to begin with, If one were to accidentally open and some mail carrier looks to see what it is, I am sure he/she would be on the phone to the police in a matter of seconds and 2k would have some serious bad press on their hands.

[reddeath1888]

I am very surprised they even sent this to begin with, If one were to accidentally open and some mail carrier looks to see what it is, I am sure he/she would be on the phone to the police in a matter of seconds and 2k would have some serious bad press on their hands.

heh atleast it wasn't a powder

[Kyburz]

This might be far-fetched, but does anyone have access to a university or something that could actually test this subject? Perhaps there is a clue in the ingredients somehow.

[bluebuttpie]

I am very surprised they even sent this to begin with, If one were to accidentally open and some mail carrier looks to see what it is, I am sure he/she would be on the phone to the police in a matter of seconds and 2k would have some serious bad press on their hands.

That seems overly aggressive. It's just some black liquid, not some new drug or supervirus. If anything, at least Dutch customs probalby won't fuss.

Then again, my t-shirts from America were also checked thoroughly...

[Goldenboy]

could this be the mysterious ''materials'' people were told they would recieve?? or if not culd this be related to it...whatever it is is??:confused:

Most definitely it is. Everything matches from the original letter and the follow up letter asks the recipient for their "finidings" on the materials enclosed. Plus future resources such as the ability to access the Infinivac network down the line....

[Goldenboy]

This might be far-fetched, but does anyone have access to a university or something that could actually test this subject? Perhaps there is a clue in the ingredients somehow.

Don't forget the cardinal rule of everything that may be related to Bioshock too now.....
Get it under a black-light! :p

oops double-post, sorry...

[Azeru]

Don't forget the cardinal rule of everything that may be related to Bioshock too now.....
Get it under a black-light! :p

I actually tried that and didn't see anything - I'll update the OP. :D

[Vengeful]

Did you smell the substance?

[auditdirox]

Only the same scribbly mess.

This isa great dissapointment cause I have made a very nice letter to the IDD;)

[Azeru]

Did you smell the substance?

There's black tape around the top of the vial - it doesn't look like it's meant to be opened, so I didn't mess with it. The substance looks wet, but is actually solid and doesn't move.

Heading to bed now - hopefully I won't have any strange dreams about black goo and eyeballs chasing me while quoting latin. Will answer all other questions tomorrow!

[Kyburz]

yeah, can you smell it? Check it's consistency on a Qtip or something?
-Edit Oh, it's sealed.

This was found on the remains of Telly Pappadaki. What an unusual name. If this has to do with Bioshock, and I am still assuming that it does, what is a splicer doing in California? And how did they get there?

This seems kinda "out three" for a DLC package. I have trouble fathoming how this could tie into DLC. Unless you are some IDD investigator down in Rapture or something?

[that_splicer_guy]

I wonder if the black stuff could be the result of long-distance teleporting,that is if this is in the Realm of Bioshock.
or ADAM 2.0

[Rybow73]

yeah, can you smell it? Check it's consistency on a Qtip or something?
-Edit Oh, it's sealed.

This was found on the remains of Telly Pappadaki. What an unusual name. If this has to do with Bioshock, and I am still assuming that it does, what is a splicer doing in California? And how did they get there?

This seems kinda "out three" for a DLC package. I have trouble fathoming how this could tie into DLC. Unless you are some IDD investigator down in Rapture or something?

Yeah, could the substance found on the remains be ADAM?

[auditdirox]

This seems kinda "out three" for a DLC package. I have trouble fathoming how this could tie into DLC. Unless you are some IDD investigator down in Rapture or something?
This is starting to lean more to bioshock 3... Or maybe the movie

[that_splicer_guy]

Yeah, could the substance found on the remains be ADAM?
or some splicer blood..........
IDK the coincidences are too great for this not to lean in the bioshocky direction

[Kyburz]

Yeah, could the substance found on the remains be ADAM?

That's definitely an interesting thought. ADAM is usually portrayed as red in the games though, maybe this is contaminated or "bad" ADAM that has been in the sand/sun for days, mixed with dirt/dried blood?

That would explain how they were unable to find this stuff in their database.

[auditdirox]

That's definitely an interesting thought. ADAM is usually portrayed as red in the games though, maybe this is contaminated or "bad" ADAM that has been in the sand/sun for days, mixed with dirt/dried blood?

That would explain how they were unable to find this stuff in their database.

But...my uncle says this degsination is usually given to radioactive materials...coincidence, bad research on idds behalf, or it is relevent

[Goldenboy]

This is a bit obscure but the substance contains Silicates - this is from the Wiki page for "Silicates" :

"On Earth, a wide variety of silicate minerals occur in an even wider range of combinations as a result of the processes that form and re-work the crust. These processes include partial melting, crystallization, fractionation, metamorphism, weathering and diagenesis. Living things also contribute to the silicate cycle near the Earth's surface. A type of plankton known as diatoms construct their exoskeletons, known as tests, from silica. The tests of dead diatoms are a major constituent of deep ocean sediment."

The only other major references to Silicon and Carbon compounds/mixtures seems to be Silicon Carbide, a very hard ceramic-like substance. Nothing like our little test tube of intrigue...

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

That's definitely an interesting thought. ADAM is usually portrayed as red in the games though, maybe this is contaminated or "bad" ADAM that has been in the sand/sun for days, mixed with dirt/dried blood?

That would explain how they were unable to find this stuff in their database.

I always figured ADAM was red because it was in a Splicers bloodstream, it's entirely possible this ADAM may be contaminated or maybe freshly extracted ADAM from a Little Sister?

[auditdirox]

The tests of dead diatoms are a major constituent of deep ocean sediment."[/I]

leaning even more to bioshock-ness

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

This is a bit obscure but the substance contains Silicates - this is from the Wiki page for "Silicates" :

"On Earth, a wide variety of silicate minerals occur in an even wider range of combinations as a result of the processes that form and re-work the crust. These processes include partial melting, crystallization, fractionation, metamorphism, weathering and diagenesis. Living things also contribute to the silicate cycle near the Earth's surface. A type of plankton known as diatoms construct their exoskeletons, known as tests, from silica. The tests of dead diatoms are a major constituent of deep ocean sediment."

Disregard. :(

[Kyburz]

But...my uncle says this degsination is usually given to radioactive materials...coincidence, bad research on idds behalf, or it is relevent

Good find on that ocean sediment bit Goldenboy!

Could you elaborate on what exactly is the designation that is marking it as radioactive materials? Or maybe go into more detail on whatyour uncle said?

You're right though, if it is radioactive, that does change things consdierably. I have never heard of substance: ADAM being referred to as radioactive in any context. It wouldn't really make sense if it was since it is an organic substance secreted by a living creature.

[Vengeful]

If this isn't DLC related Im going with promotion for the novel. I would think it's way too soon for Bioshock 3.

[that_splicer_guy]

Good find on that ocean sediment bit Goldenboy!

Could you elaborate on what exactly is the designation that is marking it as radioactive materials? Or maybe go into more detail on whatyour uncle said?

You're right though, if it is radioactive, that does change things consdierably. I have never heard of substance: ADAM being referred to as radioactive in any context. It wouldn't really make sense if it was since it is an organic substance secreted by a living creature.
so its poo?

[gamertam]

Okay, i'm still following it so far. a Black substance found possibly belong to the remain of the victim Telly Pappadaki.
--a bad "adam" instead it should be red.
--Who's David W. Taylor again? and what's a David W. Taylor Model Basin?
The case and test tube was sent to one of the member and it seem no one has a clue.

So far that's what i got to summarize.:p
Is that right? or am i missing something?

[Kyburz]

If this isn't DLC related Im going with promotion for the novel. I would think it's way too soon for Bioshock 3.

I doubt they would go to this trouble for the novel. There usually isn't a whole lot of money involved in the book business. I can't think they were expecting enough people to buy it to create this incredibly elaborate marketing campaign.

While it might seem completely mad that this has to do with Bioshock 3, somehow it still seems like one of the most viable options to me.

Imagine this: 2k decides that the SitS project was a rousing success, so they try it again, only this time, they drag it out over two years for the most epic marketing campaign ever for Bioshock 3. IF this is the case, we shouldn't expect updates so frequently at least for a long time. I can see them giving this evidence and then there not being another update for a month.

I think this has to be for either Bioshock 2 DLC, Bioshock 3, or Irrational's Mystery Game (since those are the only games they could conceivably say that the people who received these materials have "opted-in" to receiving marketing for.) This is looking to be really freaking weird for a DLC marketing campaign, but it is too early to say where this is really all headed.

[Rybow73]

Okay, i'm still following it so far. a Black substance found possibly belong to the remain of the victim Telly Pappadaki.
--a bad "adam" instead it should be red.
--Who's David W. Taylor again? and what's a David W. Taylor Model Basin?
The case and test tube was sent to one of the member and it seem no one has a clue.

So far that's what i got to summarize.:p
Is that right? or am i missing something?

The David Taylor Model Basin is one of the world's largest ship model basins. It's a test facility for development of ship design.

[auditdirox]

Good find on that ocean sediment bit Goldenboy!

Could you elaborate on what exactly is the designation that is marking it as radioactive materials? Or maybe go into more detail on whatyour uncle said?

You're right though, if it is radioactive, that does change things consdierably. I have never heard of substance: ADAM being referred to as radioactive in any context. It wouldn't really make sense if it was since it is an organic substance secreted by a living creature.

When "scientists" make new substances for items*cough*bombs*cough* before thaye can be offically named (ie- uranium,californium, einstienium,etc)the new substances are given names like abc-12-3456 etc. So his guess was that it is a componet to a "item".I didn't tell him any sea slugs were envolved;). So if it is really based off of real process-it's radioactive material
If it's not- then it's anyone guess what it is

Ps-peu has been used as a "prename" for some pretty dangerious *cough*atomic *cough things

[that_splicer_guy]

I doubt they would go to this trouble for the novel. There usually isn't a whole lot of money involved in the book business. I can't think they were expecting enough people to buy it to create this incredibly elaborate marketing campaign.

While it might seem completely mad that this has to do with Bioshock 3, somehow it still seems like one of the most viable options to me.

Imagine this: 2k decides that the SitS project was a rousing success, so they try it again, only this time, they drag it out over two years for the most epic marketing campaign ever for Bioshock 3. IF this is the case, we shouldn't expect updates so frequently at least for a long time. I can see them giving this evidence and then there not being another update for a month.

I think this has to be for either Bioshock 2 DLC, Bioshock 3, or Irrational's Mystery Game (since those are the only games they could conceivably say that the people who received these materials have "opted-in" to receiving marketing for.) This is looking to be really freaking weird for a DLC marketing campaign, but it is too early to say where this is really all headed.
i agree with ky, SITS was awesome, and 2K has a knack for sticking with what sells...........

[auditdirox]

While it might seem completely mad that this has to do with Bioshock 3, somehow it still seems like one of the most viable options to me.

Imagine this: 2k decides that the SitS project was a rousing success, so they try it again, only this time, they drag it out over two years for the most epic marketing campaign ever for Bioshock 3. IF this is the case, we shouldn't expect updates so frequently at least for a long time. I can see them giving this evidence and then there not being another update for a month.

On a letter I got from Liz (the thank you) she says sits was "very successful"
That just screams POSSIBLITY OF A SEQUEL!!!!

[Adam Addict L]

or Irrational's Mystery Game (since those are the only games they could conceivably say that the people who received these materials have "opted-in" to receiving marketing for.) T

I still say it has to be related to Biosock(2 or 3) rather than some mystery gane..whatever it is. I still think it wouldn't make sense and it would be odd to send people materials relating to a game they might not even like,even if they do feel that people who participated in SitS have ''opted in'',as you say,to buy said mystery game. I mean,really...why market a game to people that they might not even buy or might not even like?? Just doesn't make sense to me...but that's my thoughts on the matter.

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

Ohhh this is interesting...our first "material".

I think this would seem far out there for DLC stuff, and surly this can't be for BS3, I mean the BS2 was just released a few months ago. (although look at L4D2, xD )

Could this stuff be for the movie? :o

Maybe they have kept the movie "hush hush" this whole time and are now starting this campaign for it? :confused:

We need more material so we can put this puzzle together :D

[Kyburz]

When "scientists" make new substances for items*cough*bombs*cough* before thaye can be offically named (ie- uranium,californium, einstienium,etc)the new substances are given names like abc-12-3456 etc. So his guess was that it is a componet to a "item".I didn't tell him any sea slugs were envolved;). So if it is really based off of real process-it's radioactive material
If it's not- then it's anyone guess what it is

Ps-peu has been used as a "prename" for some pretty dangerious *cough*atomic *cough things


Good information, thanks. So PEU is usually a proto-designation for something hardcore radioactive. If it is radioactive, then like I said, i have no bloody clue what it could be and how it ties into Bioshock. Rapture seemed to avoid nuclear research as far as I could tell. It might have to do with Ryan's hatred of the Atom bomb.

[Vengeful]

I doubt they would go to this trouble for the novel. There usually isn't a whole lot of money involved in the book business. I can't think they were expecting enough people to buy it to create this incredibly elaborate marketing campaign.

While it might seem completely mad that this has to do with Bioshock 3, somehow it still seems like one of the most viable options to me.

Imagine this: 2k decides that the SitS project was a rousing success, so they try it again, only this time, they drag it out over two years for the most epic marketing campaign ever for Bioshock 3. IF this is the case, we shouldn't expect updates so frequently at least for a long time. I can see them giving this evidence and then there not being another update for a month.

I think this has to be for either Bioshock 2 DLC, Bioshock 3, or Irrational's Mystery Game (since those are the only games they could conceivably say that the people who received these materials have "opted-in" to receiving marketing for.) This is looking to be really freaking weird for a DLC marketing campaign, but it is too early to say where this is really all headed.

Good points, guess we'll have to wait and see like the many times before.

[that_splicer_guy]

Good information, thanks. So PEU is usually a proto-designation for something hardcore radioactive. If it is radioactive, then like I said, i have no bloody clue what it could be and how it ties into Bioshock. Rapture seemed to avoid nuclear research as far as I could tell. It might have to do with Ryan's hatred of the Atom bomb.
or what happened to jack..........

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

Good information, thanks. So PEU is usually a proto-designation for something hardcore radioactive. If it is radioactive, then like I said, i have no bloody clue what it could be and how it ties into Bioshock. Rapture seemed to avoid nuclear research as far as I could tell. It might have to do with Ryan's hatred of the Atom bomb.

Splicers stole a nucleur sub in the evil-ending for BioShock, Possible connection to nucleur materials?

[Dr. Indiana Jones]

Like I said in my other post,

do you think this could be for the movie? :o

[Goldenboy]

The David Taylor Model Basin is one of the world's largest ship model basins. It's a test facility for development of ship design.

This is quite interesting. A US Navy controlled test facility for ship design (and possibly deep sea diving vessels). It's located at the supposed return address of where these packages are coming from and was one of the first customers of the UNIVAC I computer system in the real world in 1952, with Univac showing a striking resemblance to the "Infinivac" system described in the package.... hmmmmm :cool:

[Kyburz]

I doubt it is for the movie either. The director is going to direct some other movie before he even starts on Bioshock. The movie has always seemed to be on shaky ground to me. I would be surprised if they committed to an elaborate marketing campaign this early on for a project that still has a somewhat questionable future. I guess there might be a remote possibility, but I do seriously doubt it.

BTW, calling it a night for now guys, thanks for the productive discussion.

[Vengeful]

Could this be DLC directly related to before Johnny Topside became Delta? A deep sea diver possibly working for the US navy searching for remnants of what happened in Bioshock's evil ending finds an under water city, and now with his disappearance the us government is conducting tests of the soil or what ever before they possibly send another person (bioshock 3?) down there.

[jandof]

Some of my old course mates work at the university biochem lab. In theory I guess I could get them to do mass spectrometry, gas chromatography, etc. on the substance if I had a sample. Then again I doubt getting some to Finland would be worth the effort. I find it hard to believe that they could require people to have access to expensive specialist equipment just to play a promotional game. Certainly it can't be radioactive, since mailing it would be illegal then.

Has anyone tried microscoping it? Homogenous or are there macroscopic particles? How dense is it? One could also try a cheap pH measuring strip and an urine analysis strip on it. We should try to think up some more ways to test it at home.

[majorjackass]

I hate to beat a dead horse folks... but this is just too coincidental to pass up mentioning:


And VIDERE EST CREDERE. Seeing is believing. Where did I see Latin as a motto before?

You probably saw, rather remembered information from when I posted the GKNOVA6.com site links and information....

Hopefully, this will catch more attention now...The MP3 ON THE USB DRIVE SENT TO MEDIA OUTLETS ON MONDAY HAS A MAN'S VOICE, WHICH SAYS: "What we wish, we readily believe, and what we ourselves think, we imagine others think also," followed by, "Don't believe everything you see."

Then, on the GKNOVA6.com site, at the tail end of the video, a male voice says: "Now you can believe everything you see."

*changes back to inside voice and takes breath*

Curse you people!! Why are you so resistent to my ridiculous theory!?!?!? God.. you're all just as stubborn as I am! :D

heh... I kid, because I love...

Except about my theory that you guys are dealing with something related to what the gaming outlets received.

[majorjackass]

That's definitely an interesting thought. ADAM is usually portrayed as red in the games though, maybe this is contaminated or "bad" ADAM that has been in the sand/sun for days, mixed with dirt/dried blood?

That would explain how they were unable to find this stuff in their database.

I have another possibility for you... if it was "removed" from a corpse, (Was it, I'm too excited to read through what this is actually about.. can slow down the wheels in the brain pan.) and furthermore, if it was a female corpse, is it possible that this is un-converted ADAM?? (Or maybe, not regurgitated ADAM. Maybe ADAM is like blood... blue before it's oxygenated, or whatever causes the color change, red when it is.) Like maybe it came out of the belly of a big sis/lil sis..inside of a slug?

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

@Majorjackass, the reference to a Latin motto is not from the article you posted, but rather the latin motto of the IOOP. Adaptare, Audere, Ambulare. To Dare, To Journey, To Adapt.

[majorjackass]

Sorry for the spam, but has anyone considered "PEU" to stand for Polyester Urethane?

Some info on it, which I can barely comprehend based on a lab paper: http://www.springerlink.com/content/wu0x1366j40k4776/

And here's some info that may make it related: http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/547665

Marine and industrial paint...

[majorjackass]

@Majorjackass, the reference to a Latin motto is not from the article you posted, but rather the latin motto of the IOOP. Adaptare, Audere, Ambulare. To Dare, To Journey, To Adapt.

Umm... what article? and what now?

[Goldenboy]

Then, on the GKNOVA6.com site, at the tail end of the video, a male voice says: "Now you can believe everything you see."

Wasn't it pointed out that website was registered by Activision? I think 2K would have shut this down by now (much like Bethesda shut down the Fallout New Vegas theories), and stop all the positive marketing for a competitor if it really was for GKNOVA6... ;)

Also all the correspondance for that one is coming from Maryland, whereas these are all postmarked from California.

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

Umm... what article? and what now?

The website you said a Latin motto was on. GKNOVA6?
The IOOP, a group used in SitS, is what I think was meant by Latin motto beings used before.

[majorjackass]

The website you said a Latin motto was on. GKNOVA6?
The IOOP, a group used in SitS, is what I think was meant by Latin motto beings used before.

Oy Vey! That's EXACTLY what I'm saying!!

The photo of the seal...

found on the letter....

that was just received...

along with "evidence"...

by someone in this forum.

It's this picutre... right here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/azeru/4504047577/in/set-72157623812754980/ Take a look at the seal.. the seal says: "VIDERE EST CREDERE"

The meaning of "videre est credere" is: "SEEING IS BELIEVING"

Previously, I tried to tell you all the gknova site IS NOT registered to Activision.. it is registered to a contractor company that collects and analyzes web statistics for them and several other gaming companies.

Now then, and read this twice, because it's the important part: The audio file... found on the USB drives... which were sent to several gaming outlets... on Monday... which led to the discovery of the site: gknova6.com.... had a recording of a male voice which says: "Don't believe everything you see." (Please note, the gaming outlets received their packages one day before you all started receiving your letters.)

When you go to the GKNOVA6.com site... if you watch and listen to the flash movie... all the way to the end.... the same male voice can be heard saying: "Now you can believe what you see."

I'm really going to have to give up and dig my eyes out with a rusty spoon if no one gets this this time.

*slaps forehead*

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

I understand what your saying, I just think whoever said they have seen Latin motto used before was refering to the IOOP who used a Latin motto.

[Adam Addict L]

I'm really going to have to give up and dig my eyes out with a rusty spoon if no one gets this this time.

*slaps forehead*

prepare to grab yourself a spoon...because I have NO idea where you are going with all this??? :confused:

[majorjackass]

Ohh...heh.. sorry. I've officially crossed over into obssessed, crazyville.. As it's 5 am... probably a good idea to get some sleep, eh? :o

[majorjackass]

prepare to grab yourself a spoon...because I have NO idea where you are going with all this??? :confused:

Well, it's a good thing I'm not counting on you as being the last person to read my post then, isn't it? :p

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

So I type PEU-001 into google, PEU-001 being on the bottom of the letter. This is what I got.
www.only-flags.com/peugeot-flag-peu001-p-159.html?cPath22_115
I thnk it's safe to say that's a dead end. :D

[Codex]

Oy Vey! That's EXACTLY what I'm saying!!

The photo of the seal...

found on the letter....

that was just received...

along with "evidence"...

by someone in this forum.

It's this picutre... right here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/azeru/4504047577/in/set-72157623812754980/ Take a look at the seal.. the seal says: "VIDERE EST CREDERE"

The meaning of "videre est credere" is: "SEEING IS BELIEVING"

Previously, I tried to tell you all the gknova site IS NOT registered to Activision.. it is registered to a contractor company that collects and analyzes web statistics for them and several other gaming companies.

Now then, and read this twice, because it's the important part: The audio file... found on the USB drives... which were sent to several gaming outlets... on Monday... which led to the discovery of the site: gknova6.com.... had a recording of a male voice which says: "Don't believe everything you see." (Please note, the gaming outlets received their packages one day before you all started receiving your letters.)

When you go to the GKNOVA6.com site... if you watch and listen to the flash movie... all the way to the end.... the same male voice can be heard saying: "Now you can believe what you see."

I'm really going to have to give up and dig my eyes out with a rusty spoon if no one gets this this time.

*slaps forehead*

Well, I've watched the video on gknova, but I didn't hear the "now you can believe what you see" comment. All I heard was that bit at the beginning that sounded almost like Andrew Ryan (but I don't think it is, it sounded like it but I'm pretty certain that it was not Armin Shimerman, watch me be wrong though...) followed by the woman and the man saying various letters and numbers over and over and over. That sounded like a recall test, especially with the buzzing that occurred. Then the video repeated after about five minutes. I never heard anything along the lines of "now you can believe what you see."

[Deathhound]

So I type PEU-001 into google, PEU-001 being on the bottom of the letter. This is what I got.
www.only-flags.com/peugeot-flag-peu001-p-159.html?cPath22_115
I thnk it's safe to say that's a dead end. :D

Haha, yeah, that's definitley a dead end. Nice try though. :D

The package does look interesting, what Azeru got. Strange also. I wish we could know what it is and for what :p

[Sir_Goose]

Is it possible that N.U.F.O.S has taken a new name, or been contracted into a more defensive role of the US government and become the IDD or part of it? As this latin quote "Videre est Credere" means "seeing is believing" it might just tie in with this...

Which could also mean that it is Phil Isadore getting in contact with us all...

after all we have not yet seen any dates (correct me if im wrong) so we could be looking at Phil continuing his investgation...

As an aside.. this infinivac card intrigues me, a codename and an access number and a password, sounds to me that you will certainly be taking part in something... but what!!


Edit - I remember reading somewhere that irrationals mystery game might be a new x-com... if it is, this might fit the UFO alien blood thingy..

[Venom Wolf]

I kind of thought it was to do with Inman, not Phil and N.U.F.O.S.

[Ian]

How strange...
Hope i'm not the only one who has no idea what's going on, what it has to do with, nor where it is going :D

[Inhale/exhale]

the woman and the man saying various letters and numbers over and over and over. That sounded like a recall test, especially with the buzzing that occurred.

Codex: What is a "recall test"? Is it some sort of psychological exam?

The first thing that popped into my head when I went to the site was that it sounded like one of those numbers station recordings.

[Supercharge]

hey guys, you know that substance?

anyone remember the name of that 'bad' ADAM they cut from bioshock 2? you know the aggressive one that took over plants and basically anything it touched as it spread. we dont know it's properties yet, and if it's meant to be a dangerous form of ADAM it's totally possible that it is radioactive or something.
If it's made it to land, we may see a literal example of what Eleanor said "the world is about to change"
Which means we could play the DLC partly on the surface which has been horribly changed and the people mutated, attempting to track the bad ADAM to it's source AKA rapture

also on that NOVA6 site, i heard at the end 'hell is purple' though that was yesterday morning and they repeated N-O-V-A-S-I-X

on another note, it would not be impossible for some splicers to be escaping from Rapture, we know they have tried and it's possible some got through. If they drifted about enough they could end up anywhere that's near the ocean

[PoeticMadnesss]

I don't have time to look now, but has anyone taken a look to see if any of the number correspond with elements on the periodic table which might be considered radioactive?

[Sinclair Saucer]

I don't have time to look now, but has anyone taken a look to see if any of the number correspond with elements on the periodic table which might be considered radioactive?

All of them after 93

[Ga1Friday]

Maybe this is actually for Irrational's mystery game? Man, we are all dying for this evidence and it gives us more questions than answers AGAIN! It is listed as evidence #37, perhaps some of us will receive something different?

BTW Hermes is [The Greek God] "Messenger of the gods, god of commerce, thieves, travelers, sports, and border crossings". Could simply be a reference to their program of sending out this evidence to other people instead of just researching it internally, thus the "messenger" aspect.

It is possible that this is all for Irrational. This article details how the mystery game is probably centered around Greek Mythology. (http://www.totalvideogames.com/Irrational-Games-Title-unannounced/news/Irrational-Games-Website-Hints-Towards-Greek-Mythology-14893.html)

That being said it could still be BioShock as there are several references to Greek and Roman mythology found throughout Rapture. (as several on the boards have already noted)

Lastly, yes I do believe that some of us will receive different evidence. As such I would think that it may be a good idea to create an evidence thread, one which collects all of the evidence on post one and thus allows for a place for speculation. This thread was really about "what could the letters mean???" Now that we know I think we could move this to a new "figure out the puzzle" thread to eliminate the need for going through a bunch of spam. I don't have evidence yet so am not starting a thread but perhaps a mod could? :cool:

And now for a bit about Silicon:

Silicon is important in plant and animal life. Diatoms in both fresh and salt water extract silica from the water to use as a component of their cell walls. Silicon is an important ingredient in steel. Silicon carbide is one of the most important abrasives. Workers in environments where silicaceous dust is breathed may develop a serious lung disease known as silicosis.
For more info head over here! (http://www.webelements.com/silicon/)

While all of that is interesting, particularly the sea water bit, silicon is quite abundant and is found in sand which is one of the listed contaminants of the sample.

LASTLY I think that the card (http://www.flickr.com/photos/azeru/4504049327/in/set-72157623812754980/) is of great interest as it includes an access name, pass word etc. Whenever a site pops up for Infinivac I think that this card (along with any other cards) will become important.

[Grayskin]

The one big thing that confuses me is...if this is for another game why has it not been moved or deleted...why is it still on this forum...why has it been allowed to reach over 100 pages...surely this means it's to do with bioshock no...???...or maybe Liz and 2K are just finding the fact we are getting so worked up about it hilarious and just like watching us make false connections.

[RC1905]

The one big thing that confuses me is...if this is for another game why has it not been moved or deleted...why is it still on this forum...why has it been allowed to reach over 100 pages...surely this means it's to do with bioshock no...???...or maybe Liz and 2K are just finding the fact we are getting so worked up about it hilarious and just like watching us make false connections.

Good point. I think it has to be Bioshock related, i dont think 2K are that cruel

[Ga1Friday]

Okay one last last thing/ Rio Muerto, CA does not exist as far as I can tell. However Rio Muerto can be translated to River of the Dead.

There is a River of Death in Canada; (http://www.riverofdeath.ca/) but not in California though both use "CA" as an accepted abbreviation. I do not think that this is connected but thought that I would mention it anyhow.

This may be another link to mythology (River Styx, etc) I think it is too early to say with any degree of certainty.

[Sir_Goose]

The one big thing that confuses me is...if this is for another game why has it not been moved or deleted...why is it still on this forum...why has it been allowed to reach over 100 pages...surely this means it's to do with bioshock no...???...or maybe Liz and 2K are just finding the fact we are getting so worked up about it hilarious and just like watching us make false connections.

I suppose It might not have been moved/deleted as if it is irrationals mystery game... they want us to not know until they deem it neccessary to reveal parts of the mystery. but im hoping 2k aren't that harsh on us devoted worshippers...:cool:

[Sinclair Saucer]

Right, Sinclair Saucer is officially confused. What on Earth is going on???

[PoeticMadnesss]

Well, I'm looking at the Network card...it might be worth looking into when the government first started using computers to relay information, because it seems as if the card comes from/would be applied to the very early days of computer usage...it may help us narrow down a timeline. If my theory is correct, then the timeline is somewhere in between mid-60's and the early 1970s...not that that helps us much. xD


I'm not even sure what I can add onto the outline that I made...I'll see if I can attempt to update it, but I don't think I can add that much info. xD


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VI. Something on initial letter reads "PEU-001"
A. Similar codes have been used for prototype nuclear material testings


VII. New materials received
A. Infinivac data card received with access number and password.
1. Appears to be from early days of computer usage (source needed)
a. Could establish timeline.
B. Black substance received.

[magicman4443]

Wow, this is absolutely HUGE. A mysterious substance containing traces of Carbon and Silicon? I'm leaning towards the possibility that this is contaminated ADAM, seeing as ADAM was an organic substance taken from deep sea slugs. Also, we know it's possible for Splicers to reach the surface, because the Nellie Bly was attacked after Mark left for Rapture. Now, as for the network card, it looks like we'll have to wait for a future message to find out specifically where we're supposed to connect to.

In case you haven't guessed yet, I'm still convinced this is BS related. As someone stated, this could be a link to the contaminated ADAM that was removed from BS2, and somehow it's reached the surface.

Azeru, if you come on, could you explain how it was delivered? I read you had to go to the post office and sign for it?

[Daddy Is Strong!]

Okay I missed some pages...

What was found?? :o

[PoeticMadnesss]

Wow, this is absolutely HUGE. A mysterious substance containing traces of Carbon and Silicon? I'm leaning towards the possibility that this is contaminated ADAM, seeing as ADAM was an organic substance taken from deep sea slugs.

I'm a little skeptical about this theory, due to the fact that it WAS removed. I'm not sure why 2k would want to release any new canon information in DLC, when not everyone has access to the DLC. If it does have anything to do with contaminated ADAM, I don't think this would be DLC related, but Bioshock 3 related.

I'm not sure if I like the idea of contaminated ADAM...why wasn't it mentioned in the first game? It'd just be one of those things that they wanted to introduce, but had a crappy explanation for why it wasn't in the first game. >.<

[Kyburz]

I'm a little skeptical about this theory, due to the fact that it WAS removed. I'm not sure why 2k would want to release any new canon information in DLC, when not everyone has access to the DLC. If it does have anything to do with contaminated ADAM, I don't think this would be DLC related, but Bioshock 3 related.

I'm not sure if I like the idea of contaminated ADAM...why wasn't it mentioned in the first game? It'd just be one of those things that they wanted to introduce, but had a crappy explanation for why it wasn't in the first game. >.<


Actually they already confirmed that the new DLC will be expanding the narrative so the one they we can say for sure is that the DLC will in fact include new canon. The idea that this is EDEN as opposed to ADAM is a cool one. That would make for an interesting way to tie this into the DLC.

[Supercharge]

for those wondering about the colour of ADAM

Tenenbaum (hatred)

One of the children came and sat in my lap. I push her off, I shout, 'Get away from me!' I can see the Adam oozing out of the corner of her mouth, thick and green. Her filthy hair hanging in her face, dirty clothes, and that dead glow in her eye... I feel... hatred, like I never felt before, in my chest. Bitter, burning, fury. I can barely breathe. And suddenly, I know, it is not this child I hate.

apparently it's reddish appearance in-game is because the ADAM we see is drawn from corpses and is mixed with human blood

[PoeticMadnesss]

Actually they already confirmed that the new DLC will be expanding the narrative so the one they we can say for sure is that the DLC will in fact include new canon. The idea that this is EDEN as opposed to ADAM is a cool one. That would make for an interesting way to tie this into the DLC.

*facepalm* Already not a fan of the idea of introducing new canon...but I was skeptical about Bioshock 2 when it was first announced as well...So we'll see how I feel about it in the end. Hopefully they'll do well with it.


On another note, I'm wondering if anyone else has received these materials as well. I know that when the letters were received, individuals on the west coast got them first, and east coast got them a day later. I'm wondering if it'll work the same way here...guess we'll have to wait and see. xD

West coasters who got a letter! Keep your eyes open today! East coasters! Either today or tomorrow is when we'll get our stuff (or Monday? not sure) so keep the eyes peeled!

[majorjackass]

So I type PEU-001 into google, PEU-001 being on the bottom of the letter. This is what I got.
http://www.only-flags.com/peugeot-fl...ml?cPath22_115
I thnk it's safe to say that's a dead end.

Crap... you inadvertently quashed my thought at the same time. While PEU IS an abbreviation for Polyesther Urethane, which is used as marine grade paint, I have no idea why that would be on the letters. It made sense when attached to the vial of black goo.. sortof.

[FtRapture]

West coasters who got a letter! Keep your eyes open today! East coasters! Either today or tomorrow is when we'll get our stuff (or Monday? not sure) so keep the eyes peeled!

I am checking everyday, will report the second something arrives.

[magicman4443]

I am checking everyday, will report the second something arrives.
Yeah, I'm actually not going to school today, and I'm hoping the package arrives today. I'll report what I get as soon as it arrives.

[majorjackass]

One more thought, does anyone have outside confirmation on the "peu" abbreviation being related to nuclear substances??? I've worked in the pharmaceuticals business, and the scientists used the same naming convention for developement substances, however, the first 3 letters of the name for a co pound were always supposed to serve as a "callsign" for the COMPANY that was developing/researching the compound or material.

For example : Androgel is a drug made by Solvay Pharmaceuticals. During developement, it was called SOL-15-129. Every other drug made by them begins with the same SOL designation. Wyeth Pharmaceuticals similalry used WYT-XX-XXX for their developement drugs.

[magicman4443]

One more thought, does anyone have outside confirmation on the "peu" abbreviation being related to nuclear substances??? I've worked in the pharmaceuticals business, and the scientists used the same naming convention for developement substances, however, the first 3 letters of the name for a co pound were always supposed to serve as a "callsign" for the COMPANY that was developing/researching the compound or material.

For example : Androgel is a drug made by Solvay Pharmaceuticals. During developement, it was called SOL-15-129. Every other drug made by them begins with the same SOL designation. Wyeth Pharmaceuticals similalry used WYT-XX-XXX for their developement drugs.
That begs the question though, how would they be able to tag it, if they don't actually know what the substance is, or where it comes from? The tag should correspond somehow to where it was found, who did the analysis, or what little information they have about the compound. Since the information about the substance is limited, and Rio Muerto doesn't seem to link with PEU, I'm leaning towards it being some designation by the company that processed the material.

[PoeticMadnesss]

I just looked at all the evidence completely that Azeru received, and I do firmly believe that it is ADAM now, there's no doubt about it. xD

I believe that the Evidence # is just for the homicide that was mentioned on the tag for the vial, and doesn't mean that anything else regarding it will be received, unless there were other strange things about the "homicide".

If there are any other details about the character that have been introduced previously, I don't know them, so can someone confirm for me if the "homicide victim" is a new character or an old one?

Furthermore, is it really a "homicide"? I'm gonna go along with the popular theory now...If it really is the kind of ADAM that was removed, is it capable of killing a person to the point of where it appears to be murder? Could it potentially be a symbiotic substance that eats you from the inside type of thing?

Finally, we now know what dried up ADAM looks like! :P

[Supercharge]

I just looked at all the evidence completely that Azeru received, and I do firmly believe that it is ADAM now, there's no doubt about it. xD

I believe that the Evidence # is just for the homicide that was mentioned on the tag for the vial, and doesn't mean that anything else regarding it will be received, unless there were other strange things about the "homicide".

If there are any other details about the character that have been introduced previously, I don't know them, so can someone confirm for me if the "homicide victim" is a new character or an old one?

Furthermore, is it really a "homicide"? I'm gonna go along with the popular theory now...If it really is the kind of ADAM that was removed, is it capable of killing a person to the point of where it appears to be murder? Could it potentially be a symbiotic substance that eats you from the inside type of thing?

Finally, we now know what dried up ADAM looks like! :P

yay, more people who believe in the EDEN theory:D . it could in fact be EDENs effects and we dont know exactly how it works. i thought it was like ADAM but you merely had no control over it. we dont know how deadly it is. apparently there were going to be trees etc. mutated into almost alien shapes by it

but this could be huge! if the outside world starts getting contaminated then Rapture may not be the only place we are fighting in. Like EDEN rapture will literally spread across the world. people being made into horrific splicers. Possibly some of the origional splicers taking over Rapture and sending out new little sisters stolen from the 'frontier' where the government tries to slow the contamination and stop splicer attacks/raids.

and the best part.. if we get to see Rapture come to the surface. we may just hear more from our good friend Eleanor and possibly even get a glimpse of her helping :)

[Ian]

I just looked at all the evidence completely that Azeru received, and I do firmly believe that it is ADAM now, there's no doubt about it. xD

I believe that the Evidence # is just for the homicide that was mentioned on the tag for the vial, and doesn't mean that anything else regarding it will be received, unless there were other strange things about the "homicide".

If there are any other details about the character that have been introduced previously, I don't know them, so can someone confirm for me if the "homicide victim" is a new character or an old one?

Furthermore, is it really a "homicide"? I'm gonna go along with the popular theory now...If it really is the kind of ADAM that was removed, is it capable of killing a person to the point of where it appears to be murder? Could it potentially be a symbiotic substance that eats you from the inside type of thing?

Finally, we now know what dried up ADAM looks like! :P

Its our Red Queen's ADAM :D

But yeah, I'd imagine it IS ADAM, or some form of it...

[BioShockLvr]

Wow! This is such an epic discovery! Man, had to catch up with the last 12 pages since last night, but I see one person has finally received something.

The first thing I'll say is that I'm not sure if we were all supposed to know about this, only because the actualy letter instructed us to not share it with other, "unauthorized" persons, but I think since we're all in the community, we're all authorized. Egh, whatever.

As for the discovery, I would think now that this is going to be promoting DLC for BioShock 2. Personally I think it's a little silly to start saying BioShock 3 is coming when BioShock 2 is not even three months old. I'm leaning with the ADAM / "bad ADAM" theory (some referring to it as EDEN). Definitey looks like a splicer or Rapture citizen washed up on the shore (even though it's on the wrong side of the US... :rolleyes: ).

Well, I'll be home late today, but I'll let you all know if I receive anything in NY.

[PoeticMadnesss]

Its our Red Queen's ADAM :D

I'd go along with that if I weren't so sure that he were still alive. :P

As of right now I don't think any previous characters can be assumed to be involved in what's going on...we're starting with a fresh slate until we're informed otherwise, and I think that's how all of us should be looking at it to not distact us from the information we ARE given.

[Ian]

I'd go along with that if I weren't so sure that he were still alive. :P

As of right now I don't think any previous characters can be assumed to be involved in what's going on...we're starting with a fresh slate until we're informed otherwise, and I think that's how all of us should be looking at it to not distact us from the information we ARE given.

Then Ian went ahead and actually searched for what information was received and found out there's a name and location, not just a sample :p Dang, it was supposed to be Lutwidge, revealing information on his death and then leading us into the DLC :D

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

People are saying a Splicer washed up on shore, I think differently. Now this is going back to the first game but therees a point to it. So we were told that both "Evil" and "Good" endings from the first are canon and designed to work with BioShock 2, now in the evil ending splicers stole the sub, that could possibly provide a way for them to get to shore.

[Ian]

People are saying a Splicer washed up on shore, I think differently. Now this is going back to the first game but therees a point to it. So we were told that both "Evil" and "Good" endings from the first are cannon and designed to work with BioShock 2, now I'm the evil ending splicers stole the sub, that could possibly provide a way for them to get to shore.

....and some component of surface air/pressue change/the sun turned them into black ADAM crazies!

[PoeticMadnesss]

People are saying a Splicer washed up on shore, I think differently. Now this is going back to the first game but therees a point to it. So we were told that both "Evil" and "Good" endings from the first are cannon and designed to work with BioShock 2, now I'm the evil ending splicers stole the sub, that could possibly provide a way for them to get to shore.

I can easily say that this theory is wrong (the washing up on the shore).

How do I know that? Two points.

The body was found in a desert...next to a diner.

Last time I checked, a desert is not a beach :P and you normally don't put diners on the sand portion of a beach...yet you would do that in a desert.

It might have been near the river, but it has to have been a decent length away from the ocean. I doubt a body would float UPSTREAM to reach a diner...


EDIT: Heading home now for the rest of the day, hopefully I'll get something as well. ^.^

[Azeru]

Azeru, if you come on, could you explain how it was delivered? I read you had to go to the post office and sign for it?

Nothing unique - it was sent via USPS and required signature confirmation. I wasn't home, so a slip was left at my door. I had to turn in the slip and sign for the envelope at the P.O. to pick it up.

[Donut232]

If it is a splicer, Im leaning towards what I-Choose said.

We know that Jack hijacked a nuclear sub in the bad ending and went to take over the world with a splicer amy. Well, if this substance is actually radioactive, maybe the ADAM in the splicer reacted to the things in the sub, which couldve mutated it further. Maybe one of the splicers was there and tried killing someone and was killed in the process, or just dropped dead because this new mutated ADAM was killing him.

[magicman4443]

Nothing unique - it was sent via USPS and required signature confirmation. I wasn't home, so a slip was left at my door. I had to turn in the slip and sign for the envelope at the P.O. to pick it up.
Ah, ok. That means I need to et home before UPS is delivered today so I can sign for it. I really don't feel like having to drive out somewhere to sign for it.

[Mr.Big_Daddy]

While looking at the GKNova6 site something struck me, at one point a symbol of both U-238 and U-235 is shown, now, most people know that these are both isotopes of uranium, but they also refer to German World War 2 submarine (U-Boat) this may be referring to the submarine seen at the end of BioShock 1 (bad ending).

None of the sea men there are seen speaking, so you cant confirm or rule out the nationality of the submarine, but it's just something I'd bring up (unless it has been brought up before).

[Shades]

Still not received anything yet, but I'm staying patient, I got the pawn card just a few months ago when I thought I wouldn't get it and I got my record in two to three weeks.

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

While looking at the GKNova6 site something struck me, at one point a symbol of both U-238 and U-235 is shown, now, most people know that these are both isotopes of uranium, but they also refer to German World War 2 submarine (U-Boat) this may be referring to the submarine seen at the end of BioShock 1 (bad ending).

None of the sea men there are seen speaking, so you cant confirm or rule out the nationality of the submarine, but it's just something I'd bring up (unless it has been brought up before).

That's my theory of how a Splicer got to the mainland, we are led to believe both endings are canon.

LOL, wouldn't it be funny if our dead guy was Jack? I know it's not with BioShick sticking strictly to canon but would be funny. :D

[PoeticMadnesss]

LOL, wouldn't it be funny if our dead guy was Jack? I know it's not with BioShick sticking strictly to canon but would be funny. :D

Is it a guy? Does the name "Telly" (if I read it right) have a gender? xD

[Mr.Big_Daddy]

That's my theory of how a Splicer got to the mainland, we are led to believe both endings are canon.

LOL, wouldn't it be funny if our dead guy was Jack? I know it's not with BioShick sticking strictly to canon but would be funny. :D

Yeah it would be, the government obviously in making up a location in CA might be hiding something from the public, as in Jack a person who is genetically spliced up dying.

[Ga1Friday]

Still not received anything yet, but I'm staying patient, I got the pawn card just a few months ago when I thought I wouldn't get it and I got my record in two to three weeks.

Mail should get here in about an hour. I am in the midwest so who knows? What should we expect? More vials? Something different?

I got nothing.

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

Is it a guy? Does the name "Telly" (if I read it right) have a gender? xD

Telly tubbies are guys, I think. :cool:

[Mr.Big_Daddy]

About this Telly Pappadakis guy, I googled the name and somehow it led me to a wikipedia entry of Greek names, now, we know that Operation Hermes refers to a Greek God, and that many of the locations in Rapture are of a Greek God.

This is getting very interesting....

[VampOfVegas]

Nothing here in Vegas... yet. This is all very interesting, just been trolling the entire time.

I'm not sure if they'd start this early for BS3, because story lines and plots change all the time up until the final days of production. So I want to believe this ISN'T BS3 or a Movie (but then again Cloverfield was kept very hush hush)

But this is what they wanted,they wanted buzz and it worked.

I'm learning towards BS Novel (because they really only sent out 1 item so far to get us buzzing) than DLC,System Shock 3, or a mystery game. Unless they want to get buzz from the the Cult of Rapture to people that will catch on to the other gamers for the above metioned games or DLC.

So far only 1 person has come out to say they got this package. This could possibly be people from the Novel and this leads up to the first chapter of the book. If this was for a novel, wouldnt you want to read it to find out what happens? Of course you would, so this would be perfect.

How else do you get nerds.. i mean.. people of our advanced knowledge in BioShockology to read a book. =p

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

About this Telly Pappadakis guy, I googled the first name and it led me to a wikipedia entry of Greek names, now, we know that Operation Hermes refers to a Greek God, and that many of the locations in Rapture are of a Greek God.

This is getting very interesting....

Odd, I google the first name and got a wiki page about a monster from Sesame Street.

[Mr.Big_Daddy]

Odd, I google the first name and got a wiki page about a monster from Sesame Street.

Oops wasnt the first name only, it was the full name I believe.
I'll just check my history.

[Leeloo]

Odd, I google the first name and got a wiki page about a monster from Sesame Street.

lol that's what I got too!!!! :D

[Raining Light]

Related to the Seeing is Believing thing---

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news-4850-Crysis-2-First-Impressions---Seeing-is-Believing.html

SO not related to Bioshock there.


IDK.

[Mr.Big_Daddy]

Here is the link I came across by searching for his name, make this link of what you want -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greeks

[PoeticMadnesss]

Odd, I google the first name and got a wiki page about a monster from Sesame Street.


Oops wasnt the first name only, it was the full name I believe.
I'll just check my history.

So it seems our murder victim was a puppet from Sesame Street...interesting...

The plot thickens...

[Supercharge]

the evil ending of bioshock 1 was not canon.

it depicted Jack taking over Rapture (which we know he cant have due to Lamb) him ordering splicers to capture a nuculear submarine and then preparing to take over the world. The only way bioshock 2 works is with the good ending

you dont prepare for world domination then decide to leave rapture

also i'm not saying it's some splicer that took it there. this guy/girl who died in the desert may have been contaminated somewhere else. gone mad and eventually died in the desert. If it is EDEN, then he would have gone mental like a splicer.. it takes some time before the side-effects kick in

[VampOfVegas]

Look at line 15:

http://books.google.com/books?id=iHK-k71KEL8C&pg=PA17&lpg=PA17&dq=The+sanctuary+of+asklepios+t+pappadakis&source=bl&ots=J-1i7bznE_&sig=-o94aO1fEq3e5XjUhZQf7V4wrzo&hl=en&ei=ZVC_S9nLLYL7lweY15SHBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

[Mr.Big_Daddy]

Look at line 15:

http://books.google.com/books?id=iHK-k71KEL8C&pg=PA17&lpg=PA17&dq=The+sanctuary+of+asklepios+t+pappadakis&source=bl&ots=J-1i7bznE_&sig=-o94aO1fEq3e5XjUhZQf7V4wrzo&hl=en&ei=ZVC_S9nLLYL7lweY15SHBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

The plot thickens..

[PoeticMadnesss]

Look at line 15:

http://books.google.com/books?id=iHK-k71KEL8C&pg=PA17&lpg=PA17&dq=The+sanctuary+of+asklepios+t+pappadakis&source=bl&ots=J-1i7bznE_&sig=-o94aO1fEq3e5XjUhZQf7V4wrzo&hl=en&ei=ZVC_S9nLLYL7lweY15SHBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

Irrelevant; the name is wrong. It's missing a "P"

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

Oops wasnt the first name only, it was the full name I believe.
I'll just check my history.

So I've googled first and past name seperately and as a whole, nothing about Greeks Gods.

[majorjackass]

While looking at the GKNova6 site something struck me, at one point a symbol of both U-238 and U-235 is shown, now, most people know that these are both isotopes of uranium, but they also refer to German World War 2 submarine (U-Boat) this may be referring to the submarine seen at the end of BioShock 1 (bad ending).

None of the sea men there are seen speaking, so you cant confirm or rule out the nationality of the submarine, but it's just something I'd bring up (unless it has been brought up before).

YES!!! I don't feel so crazy now. I'm at least glad that you allowed yourself to explore the possibility that these letters and whatnot are related to the mysterious info surrounding that site, rather than writing it off without even looking at it.

[Residogus]

Is it a guy? Does the name "Telly" (if I read it right) have a gender? xD

Well there was Telly Savalas aka Kojack;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telly_Savalas

He was born to Greek immigrants, Telly being the nickname for Aristotelis (his full name)

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

Supercharge, we were told that both endings work as canon.

[Supercharge]

Supercharge, we were told that both endings work as canon.

i dont know when that was said. but the bad ending doesnt work as canon, no matter how you look at it. it's impossible in relation to the story

[VampOfVegas]

Irrelevant; the name is wrong. It's missing a "P"

Doesnt matter, copyright reasons or rights to name.

[PoeticMadnesss]

If any mods see this, I vote we make another thread...One thread for information received and discussing ideas directly related to the information, and one thread to give theories about what may or may not be related. Organization would be much better if that were done in my opinion, and dredging through pages of useless posts that aren't containing actual information isn't fun. xD

[IllusionOfLife]

i dont know when that was said. but the bad ending doesnt work as canon, no matter how you look at it. it's impossible in relation to the story

The point was to leave it ambiguous, so that you could make whatever assumptions you want. I think they could have pushed that idea a little bit harder, but in Atlantic Express there is a group of Splicers debating just what happened to Jack.

[VampOfVegas]

If any mods see this, I vote we make another thread...One thread for information received and discussing ideas directly related to the information, and one thread to give theories about what may or may not be related. Organization would be much better if that were done in my opinion, and dredging through pages of useless posts that aren't containing actual information isn't fun. xD

Thats what a forum is =) going through hundreds of crap to find actual things. Making a new thread would not help. But 2 places to have to look through. I wouldnt make a new thread until something new is found.

[Ga1Friday]

Alright official Wisconsin update: Goose Egg.

The mail has come and gone with no package, perhaps Saturday or Monday. :D

[majorjackass]

Irrelevant; the name is wrong. It's missing a "P"

Why exactly are you so quick to write things off? It's not irrelevant. Try looking these things up before passing judgement. The name pappadakis came from the name "papadakis": patronymic from papas ‘priest’ + the patronymic–diminutive ending -akis. The -akis patronymic is particularly common in Crete, where it was adopted massively in the 19th century

Here is the additional info for Asclepius: (pronounced /æsˈkliːpiəs/, Greek Ἀσκληπιός pronounced /asˈklɛːpiːʉs/, transliterated Asklēpiós; Latin Aesculapius) is the god of medicine and healing in ancient Greek religion. Asclepius represents the healing aspect of the medical arts; his daughters are Hygieia ("Health"), Iaso ("Medicine"), Aceso ("Healing"), Aglæa/Ægle ("Healthy Glow"), and Panacea ("Universal Remedy"). The rod of Asclepius, a snake-entwined staff, remains a symbol of medicine today, although sometimes the caduceus, or staff with two snakes, is mistakenly used instead. He was associated with the Roman/Etruscan god Vediovis. He was one of Apollo's sons.

[Mr.Big_Daddy]

i dont know when that was said. but the bad ending doesnt work as canon, no matter how you look at it. it's impossible in relation to the story

No, it doesnt show if Jack and his band of Splicers with the submarine attacked the world soon after BioShock 1, for all we could know is that they got lost and took ten years plus to make it to the mainland, considering they may no nothing about navigation in their spliced up state.

[VampOfVegas]

Alright official Wisconsin update: Goose Egg.

The mail has come and gone with no package, perhaps Saturday or Monday. :D

Did you get a letter?

[Supercharge]

The point was to leave it ambiguous, so that you could make whatever assumptions you want. I think they could have pushed that idea a little bit harder, but in Atlantic Express there is a group of Splicers debating just what happened to Jack.

the bad ending wasnt ambiguous at all.. Jack takes Rapture, Jack takes sub, Jack doesnt care about keeping Rapture secret, wants more power (though it doesnt actually show him attacking)

and i heard the splicers. but they said he simply left Rapture and dont mention him taking over. though they do mention him being evil. It would make sense if in the evil ending of bioshock 1, Tenenbaum said you left etc. but she doesnt. She talks about you taking over and not caring about keeping rapture secret like your father

also since Sofia talks about you a lot, i think she would mention if you had been in charge before her

you know..now i wish they had just said one was canon, it's going to make all future stuff confusing. e.g. the fate of the nuculear sub, which was only stolen when he was evil

[Ga1Friday]

Look at line 15:

http://books.google.com/books?id=iHK-k71KEL8C&pg=PA17&lpg=PA17&dq=The+sanctuary+of+asklepios+t+pappadakis&source=bl&ots=J-1i7bznE_&sig=-o94aO1fEq3e5XjUhZQf7V4wrzo&hl=en&ei=ZVC_S9nLLYL7lweY15SHBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

holy cow great find!!!!:D Frankly even if it is only coincidence it is a remarkable connection that you made. I am impressed.


Did you get a letter?

double post, sorry.

Yes I did receive a letter.

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

the bad ending wasnt ambiguous at all.. Jack takes Rapture, Jack takes sub, Jack doesnt care about keeping Rapture secret, wants more power

and i heard the splicers. but they said he simply left Rapture and dont mention him taking over. though they do mention him being evil. It would make sense if in the evil ending of bioshock 1, Tenenbaum said you left etc. but she doesnt. She talks about you taking over and not caring about keeping rapture secret like your father

also since Sofia talks about you a lot, i think she would mention if you had been in charge before her

We never see what Jack does, he grabs the Little Sister with the genetic key. It then cuts to Splicers attacking the sub, with no evidence that Jack helped take the Sub.

[Supercharge]

We never see what Jack does, he grabs the Little Sister with the genetic key. It then cuts to Splicers attacking the sub, with no evidence that Jack helped take the Sub.

Tenenbaum says it's what he does, its not in the pictures, it's in the words.

"all the ADAM, all the power, your father was terrified that the world would steal the secrets of his city..but not you..because you have now stolen the terrible secrets of the world"

[The Helvetica Scenario]

I don't see what relevance of the ending of Bioshock has to this thread. Let's put a stop to that now.

In other news, I got a package today. I'll be writing up what's inside in a bit.

Evidence #10: Sample PEU-23-1789 with black, thick liquid inside. Willikie, NJ. Disapp. of Amy J. Famington, 33. Collected from living room floor. Black substance spattered on floor, carpet, sofa, etc.

Chemical analysis of sample PEU-17-1312 / 37 (which I should mention is not the same as the evidence vial). Chemical analysis contains marked quantities of carbon suggesting organic origin, high traces of silicates imply non-organic/chemical. Compound's profile does not correlate to known substances on record. Accuracy of sample < 50%. May contain contaminants from collection sources (e.g. sand, human blood).

While the chemical appears to be the same, the circumstances are decidedly different. Not a murder, but an abduction.

[PoeticMadnesss]

Why exactly are you so quick to write things off? It's not irrelevant.

There's no information that proves it really is relevant. There's a connection between the name...okay? So what can we use with that information? If there's a link, then we'll see it appear with time, but until then, it's just superfluous information which doesn't really have a bearing on what we already know.


In other news, I got a package today. I'll be writing up what's inside in a bit.

Looking forward to it! Delivered by UPS or mail?

[wrxnoodle]

so on that gknova6 site, you can use the knob to clear up the picture and you can see a sub emerging from the water at some point...
and at the end there is a picture that looks like guys standing around and what looks like president kennedy on a tv to me
I could be wrong,
but I'm having a hard time linking this to bioshock...
the whole movie looks to be about splitting atoms, military plans and military type guys...new call of duty maybe???

[magicman4443]

double post, sorry.

Yes I did receive a letter.
Was only the normal post delivered recently? Azeru said his package was sent by UPS, which isn't usually delivered until later in the day, or at least it is where I live. It could be that the package will be delivered at around 3:00 PM.

[Donut232]

Nothing unique - it was sent via USPS and required signature confirmation. I wasn't home, so a slip was left at my door. I had to turn in the slip and sign for the envelope at the P.O. to pick it up.


Was only the normal post delivered recently? Azeru said his package was sent by UPS, which isn't usually delivered until later in the day, or at least it is where I live. It could be that the package will be delivered at around 3:00 PM.

There you have it.

[Sinclair Saucer]

Can someone please tell Sinclair Saucer what on Earth is going on!!!

I is sooo confuzzled

[magicman4443]

There you have it.
Dang, I just completely messed up. I read Azeru's post too quickly and missed a letter. Why do UPS, and USPS have to be so similar?

[Codex]

YES!!! I don't feel so crazy now. I'm at least glad that you allowed yourself to explore the possibility that these letters and whatnot are related to the mysterious info surrounding that site, rather than writing it off without even looking at it.

Actually, just to hit this on the head and throw it in the nearest river to die a slow death by drowning, SitS named the sub at the end of BS1 as "U-336." There's no relation between the numbers on gknova and SitS that I have seen.

[auditdirox]

I don't see what relevance of the ending of Bioshock has to this thread. Let's put a stop to that now.

In other news, I got a package today. I'll be writing up what's inside in a bit.

So how many packages have arrived??

[I-ChooseTheImpossible]

So how many packages have arrived??

from my count that's 2, but I could be way off.

[Mr.Big_Daddy]

Actually, just to hit this on the head and throw it in the nearest river to die a slow death by drowning, SitS named the sub at the end of BS1 as "U-336." There's no relation between the numbers on gknova and SitS that I have seen.

Well, it was a good theory while it lasted. LOL.

[Supercharge]

Actually, just to hit this on the head and throw it in the nearest river to die a slow death by drowning, SitS named the sub at the end of BS1 as "U-336." There's no relation between the numbers on gknova and SitS that I have seen.

if you use the nob to turn up the quality you can see a blueprint which says 'plan' on it. ships then appear arround it, and the bottom left corner has people standing next to what looks exactly like bathyspheres

thats the only thing which has intrigued me. im still 90% sure it's not related though

[Daddy Is Strong!]

Can someone please tell Sinclair Saucer what on Earth is going on!!!

I is sooo confuzzled

Well someone got a small bottle of goo or something...

At least that's what I got

[Sinclair Saucer]

Well someone got a small bottle of goo or something...

At least that's what I got

Damn I wish I could them my address

[Mr.Big_Daddy]

Damn I wish I could them my address

Who knows, it could be a conspiracy to eliminate 2k forum members, at night when you least expect it the goo in the test tube could actually be a shape****fing human eating ADAM slug. Save yourself while you still can by not giving your address!

lmao.

[magicman4443]

I don't see what relevance of the ending of Bioshock has to this thread. Let's put a stop to that now.

In other news, I got a package today. I'll be writing up what's inside in a bit.

Evidence #10: Sample PEU-23-1789 with black, thick liquid inside. Willikie, NJ. Disapp. of Amy J. Famington, 33. Collected from living room floor. Black substance spattered on floor, carpet, sofa, etc.

Chemical analysis of sample PEU-17-1312 / 37 (which I should mention is not the same as the evidence vial). Chemical analysis contains marked quantities of carbon suggesting organic origin, high traces of silicates imply non-organic/chemical. Compound's profile does not correlate to known substances on record. Accuracy of sample < 50%. May contain contaminants from collection sources (e.g. sand, human blood).

While the chemical appears to be the same, the circumstances are decidedly different. Not a murder, but an abduction.
The plot thickens. So, this person wasn't murdered, but abducted. Also, she was abducted from NJ, which mean that these occurences are happening all across the country. Since this is a different case, I would assume that everyone who receives a package will be receiving information on a different case related to this mysterious Black Goo.

[Donut232]

Damn I wish I could them my address

You should totally check the front page there Saucer XD Anyway, HERES (http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=766067&postcount=1005) the pics of the package recieved by Azeru.

Thats pretty much all we know. Everything else here is just pure speculation and theory. EDIT: And what magicman just quoted Helvetica as recieving

And whats this gknova6? I cant see anything on that site :/

[Daddy Is Strong!]

What if the government is abdicating people to Splicer 'em with EDEN or ADAM?

(Forgive me for ignorance on this :o )

[Sinclair Saucer]

Who knows, it could be a conspiracy to eliminate 2k forum members, at night when you least expect it the goo in the test tube could actually be a shape****fing human eating ADAM slug. Save yourself while you still can by not giving your address!

lmao.

Well I think Sinclair Saucer should go down with his fellow forum members do you think not? I can be hero like the great Sinclair himself!

[VampOfVegas]

Hmmm.. Area 51 is my neighbor.. they should def have some black goo.

[The Helvetica Scenario]

Looking forward to it! Delivered by UPS or mail?

Package came by US Mail. Our usual delivery guy seemed a bit confused, but making the package be by signature only was a nice touch (luckily I was home today).

The black goo looks mighty suspicious. I'm not opening that thing!

[Supercharge]

I don't see what relevance of the ending of Bioshock has to this thread. Let's put a stop to that now.

In other news, I got a package today. I'll be writing up what's inside in a bit.

Evidence #10: Sample PEU-23-1789 with black, thick liquid inside. Willikie, NJ. Disapp. of Amy J. Famington, 33. Collected from living room floor. Black substance spattered on floor, carpet, sofa, etc.

Chemical analysis of sample PEU-17-1312 / 37 (which I should mention is not the same as the evidence vial). Chemical analysis contains marked quantities of carbon suggesting organic origin, high traces of silicates imply non-organic/chemical. Compound's profile does not correlate to known substances on record. Accuracy of sample < 50%. May contain contaminants from collection sources (e.g. sand, human blood).

While the chemical appears to be the same, the circumstances are decidedly different. Not a murder, but an abduction.

that sounds a lot like ADAM. organic in nature, but it has chemical/in-organic qualities

if this is EDEN or even ADAM, it could be that this is not an abduction at all. merely the victim went mental and trashed the place before running off to who knows where due to being contaminated with the stuff

[wrxnoodle]

The black goo looks mighty suspicious. I'm not opening that thing!
open it! do it!
take one for the team and report the effects xD

[Mr.Big_Daddy]

Well I think Sinclair Saucer should go down with his fellow forum members do you think not? I can be hero like the great Sinclair himself!

Come to think of it you're right, Sinclair did not die in vain afterall!

[PoeticMadnesss]

Helvetic, did you mistype Willikie, NJ, or no? A google search shows that that town doesn't exist...o.O

[VampOfVegas]

Maybe this is for Ghost Busters 2? =p

So far we have 3-4 people that have packages eh? Good good!

[The Helvetica Scenario]

Helvetic, did you mistype Willikie, NJ, or no? A google search shows that that town doesn't exist...o.O

Nope, that's (sic).

[Kyburz]

I just got a package with all new material less than a minute ago, details forthcoming!

[Sinclair Saucer]

Come to think of it you're right, Sinclair did not die in vain afterall!

That he did not.:D



Should I PM Liz??/

[Azeru]

Package came by US Mail. Our usual delivery guy seemed a bit confused, but making the package be by signature only was a nice touch (luckily I was home today).

The black goo looks mighty suspicious. I'm not opening that thing!

Was there an Infinivac network card too?

Should we start calling vial-receivers the "Goo-nies"? :D

[Precarious]

Maybe opening it is what you need to do. I wonder what it smells like... There has to be more of a clue in here that we're not seeing. Codex... CODEX, where ARE you?

[Mr.Big_Daddy]

Helvetic, did you mistype Willikie, NJ, or no? A google search shows that that town doesn't exist...o.O

Another place that is fabricated...hmm...there's a pattern emerging.

People who's names may not exist living in places completely made up, must be some kind of Government attempt at hiding the truth...

[The Helvetica Scenario]

Yup, there was a card too, but I'll be keeping the materials confidential as you have, at least for now.

[magicman4443]

I just got a package with all new material less than a minute ago, details forthcoming!
Can't wait for the update on what you got Kyburz. Hopefully it's another, different case.


Also, where do you live Helvetica, if you don't mind me asking?

[The Helvetica Scenario]

Also, where do you live Helvetica, if you don't mind me asking?

Southeast New Hampshire.

[Codex]

Maybe opening it is what you need to do. I wonder what it smells like... There has to be more of a clue in here that we're not seeing. Codex... CODEX, where ARE you?

I'm just as lost as everyone else is at the moment, sadly. I wish I knew what was going on.

Maybe if we put the points of the "crimes" on a google map we'd see something? I know the towns don't exist, but we could at least put the states.

edit: In addition, I'm going to take a look at the last names of the people a little later on just to see if that may mean anything. Farmington and Pappagjgjerka;nbfa (I forgot what it was, keyboard spam seemed appropriate) seem a little... generic for names, don't you think?

[magicman4443]

Southeast New Hampshire.

Hmm, it's kind of interesting that the two reported cases so far seem to be relatively close to the people who receive information on them.

[PoeticMadnesss]

I'm just as lost as everyone else is at the moment, sadly. I wish I knew what was going on.

Maybe if we put the points of the "crimes" on a google map we'd see something? I know the towns don't exist, but we could at least put the states.

I'm thinking anagram of some sort, possibly? Take the town names and get a sentence, or something. >.>

I'm sitting eagerly by the window waiting for the mail to come now. I'm anxious as hell. Hahahaha I've missed this feeling so much, it's like I'm back on Jones Beach waiting for sunrise.

[TheParasite]

Southeast New Hampshire.

Do NOT open it! It might attack you ala Spiderman and turn you into an emo d-bag :p.

But seriously I'm just as lost as everyone else. Unless its a simple mystery like, "these were all smokers and the black goop is tar from their lungs."

[Codex]

I'm thinking anagram of some sort, possibly? Take the town names and get a sentence, or something. >.>

I'm sitting eagerly by the window waiting for the mail to come now. I'm anxious as hell. Hahahaha I've missed this feeling so much, it's like I'm back on Jones Beach waiting for sunrise.

Oh, don't start with the anagrams... We'll be jumping at shadows again D:

I don't think its anagrams, for the record. I need a few more puzzle pieces to *cough*go up on the front page mods are awesome*cough* appear before I'm willing to start messing with the evidence yet. There's not enough with only two accounts for me to think straight.

[PoeticMadnesss]

I need a few more puzzle pieces to *cough*go up on the front page mods are awesome*cough* appear before I'm willing to start messing with the evidence yet. There's not enough with only two accounts for me to think straight.

I'm currently working on adding towards the outline for each of the new cases, I'm including only the information that's really important O.o which is everything.

So far:

VII. New materials received
A. Infinivac data card received with access number and password.
1. Appears to be from early days of computer usage (source needed)
a. Could establish timeline.
B. Black substance received.
1. Analysis shows its part Carbon and Silicon
a. Reveals that sand and/or blood might have contaminated substance.
b. Almost definitely ADAM
i. Believed to be “EDEN”, a “bad” version of ADAM.



VIII. Telly Pappadakis (Evidence #37: Sample PEU-17-1312 / 37)
A. New character revealed to have been “killed” outside of a diner in the desert
B. Diner located in Rio Muerto, CA (exact location not confirmed, town doesn’t exist in California)
C. Found with a black substance at the crime scene

IX. Amy J. Famington, age 33 (Evidence #10: Sample PEU-23-1789)
A. Disappeared from Willikie, NJ (Town does not exist)
B. Black substance found on carpet, sofa, etc.

[Daddy Is Strong!]

Could the black goo be Big Daddy blood? :o

Edit: Okay... doesn't make sense in context... but Eh??

[DeliciousCake]

Rio Muerto! Dead river? I'm contributin' :D

Edit: -gasp- Does this mean that possibly mean that splicers have made their way to the surface?

[TheParasite]

Materials received! It's too flat to have a Vile inside so I don't know what it might be. Opening it now, update in a few minutes.

[PoeticMadnesss]

Materials received! It's too flat to have a Vile inside so I don't know what it might be. Opening it now, update in a few minutes.

That's four. All of them have been received by mods so far. xD

I'm now patiently waiting at the window for the mail to come.

[wrxnoodle]

Materials received! It's too flat to have a Vile inside so I don't know what it might be. Opening it now, update in a few minutes.
curse you mods lol

[TheParasite]

Its a police report. It has a picture of a living room covered in that black goop. There's also a bag with (disgusting spit looking) evidence in it. I'll take a picture as soon as I locate my camera.

[Supercharge]

Its a police report. It has a picture of a living room covered in that black goop. There's also a bag with (disgusting spit looking) evidence in it. I'll take a picture as soon as I locate my camera.

sounds like it's related to what The Helvetica Scenario got. if it's a living room with goop

[Deathhound]

That does mean there is different evidence and not the same. Well, I thought it would be like that. But interesting :)

[auditdirox]

I would like to know if the people who recieved packages also recieved letters

[Codex]

I would like to know if the people who recieved packages also recieved letters
Look on the first page at the list of people who received letters. They did.

[IllusionOfLife]

This whole thing is starting to sound a lot more like '50s sci-fi stuff. Government agency investigating strange goings on, bodies with mysterious organic substances on them, living rooms covered in the stuff.

It's all going to be about aliens, you heard it here first folks!

[tupello]

This whole thing is starting to sound a lot more like '50s sci-fi stuff. Government agency investigating strange goings on, bodies with mysterious organic substances on them, living rooms covered in the stuff.

It's all going to be about aliens, you heard it here first folks!

Jesus! I'm away from these boards for a month? And in my absence there seems to be a new viral campaign???

Has anyone offical confirmed its Bioshock related? Gotta far too soon for another BS game? Unless its to promote the single player DLC? What do you guys think?

[Codex]

Jesus! I'm away from these boards for a month? And in my absence there seems to be a new viral campaign???

Has anyone offical confirmed its Bioshock related? Gotta far too soon for another BS game? Unless its to promote the single player DLC? What do you guys think?

Read the faq on page one ;) Its got your answers as to what we've already discussed.

[IllusionOfLife]

Jesus! I'm away from these boards for a month? And in my absence there seems to be a new viral campaign???

Has anyone offical confirmed its Bioshock related? Gotta far too soon for another BS game? Unless its to promote the single player DLC? What do you guys think?

Well there sending the stuff out to people who were on the SitS mailing list, so that's the biggest indicator that it's BioShock related, but it still just doesn't feel like BioShock. My theory is that it's a whole new IP from 2K Marin and they're using the SitS fan base to advertise it. And this new IP will be set in the 50s and will have aliens, most assuredly.

[THUGa]

I should keep coming here... this is interesting!

[magicman4443]

Gah, I'm not home right now, but I think my mail is going to be delivered soon. I hope my package arrives today. We will see what happens though.

[Kyburz]

okay guys, here ya go.

I received a letter from Infinivac, an Infinivac card with a network logon on the back, a few newspaper clippings that have both a front and back, and a reel to reel tape. I am going to see what I can do about the reel to reel tape, for now here are at least pictures of everything.

The naming format on the clippings indicates what clipping they are part of. Clipping1A is one clipping and Clipping1B is the flipside of the same clipping.

I have to run so I won't be here to discuss until later tonight, but here ya go.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49142136@N02/sets/72157623691496705/

[PoeticMadnesss]

okay guys, here ya go.

I received a letter from Infinivac, an Infinivac card with a network logon on the back, a few newspaper clippings that have both a front and back, and a reel to reel tape. I am going to see what I can do about the reel to reel tape, for now here are at least pictures of everything.

The naming format on the clippings indicates what clipping they are part of. Clipping1A is one clipping and Clipping1B is the flipside of the same clipping.

I have to run so I won't be here to discuss until later tonight, but here ya go.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49142136@N02/sets/72157623691496705/

Gonna read through everything and put it into the outline, hopefully I'll be able to get some decent info out of everything.

PS: Stillwaiting at the window. No mail yet.

PPS: We need to come up a name for this thing, like how SitS was short and easily typable, instead of saying "2ks new marketing campaign". I'm thinking IDD Report, or something along those lines.

[Sir_Goose]

"freak lightening storm" sounds like electro bolt to me! :D

but "build your own fallout shelter"..... vault-tech does bioshock?!

And then to throw further confusion you have what appears to be a tape of a 999 call to the Met, from somewhere in London...

[Deathhound]

okay guys, here ya go.

I received a letter from Infinivac, an Infinivac card with a network logon on the back, a few newspaper clippings that have both a front and back, and a reel to reel tape. I am going to see what I can do about the reel to reel tape, for now here are at least pictures of everything.

The naming format on the clippings indicates what clipping they are part of. Clipping1A is one clipping and Clipping1B is the flipside of the same clipping.

I have to run so I won't be here to discuss until later tonight, but here ya go.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49142136@N02/sets/72157623691496705/

Woah, nice stuff. Gotta read the articles. I'm very curious about the Reel to Reel tape.

[majorjackass]

... can do about the reel to reel tape, for now here are...

HOLY CRAP!

*Pulls foot out of mouth and kicks himself with it*

I humbly apologize to whomever it was that I made the snide remark to: "what are they going to do, send out reel to reel data tapes?? You'd have to go to the Smithsonian to get the data off of it."

[IllusionOfLife]

"freak lightening storm" sounds like electro bolt to me! :D

Sounds much more like aliens to me! That and the power outage that was common throughout several of the articles.

On a semi-related note: WHOO! I have a new pet theory! So long Decoy, hello aliens!

[DeliciousCake]

New Jersey Housewife = Barbara Johnson under a new name??
I'm being totally out there with that. :p

[PoeticMadnesss]

HOLY CRAP!

*Pulls foot out of mouth and kicks himself with it*

I humbly apologize to whomever it was that I made the snide remark to: "what are they going to do, send out reel to reel data tapes?? You'd have to go to the Smithsonian to get the data off of it."

I accept your apology ;)

On another note, it looks like splicers have indeed come to the surface.

[Azeru]

One of Kyburz's clippings is about the Telly Pappadakis goo vial!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49142136@N02/4505935692/in/set-72157623691496705/

[magicman4443]

okay guys, here ya go.

I received a letter from Infinivac, an Infinivac card with a network logon on the back, a few newspaper clippings that have both a front and back, and a reel to reel tape. I am going to see what I can do about the reel to reel tape, for now here are at least pictures of everything.

The naming format on the clippings indicates what clipping they are part of. Clipping1A is one clipping and Clipping1B is the flipside of the same clipping.

I have to run so I won't be here to discuss until later tonight, but here ya go.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/49142136@N02/sets/72157623691496705/
This brings up more interesting facts. It seems that before this black tar appears, there is some form of Black smoke, even though nothing is damaged. It also seems that the body of the man at the diner in CA was horribly disfigured.

I wonder why you were sent an add for a fallout shelter though. Some of the articles seem significant, while others make no sense at all.

[PoeticMadnesss]

I wonder why you were sent an add for a fallout shelter though. Some of the articles seem significant, while others make no sense at all.

Wait for the other packages to arrive. It looks like Kyburz got the piece of evidence that might tie everything together. Now we just need the rest.

[Using-Plasmids-All-Day!]

I wonder why you were sent an add for a fallout shelter though. Some of the articles seem significant, while others make no sense at all.

Because they expect people to get some nasty stuff on their heads!

ALIENS!

This kind of senselessness makes me think of an old Dutch saying:

Het is maar de stilte voor de storm (it's just the silence before the storm)

[DeliciousCake]

J/k guys its the new Mass Effect game.
(Oh god please not aliens)

[Using-Plasmids-All-Day!]

Wait for the other packages to arrive. It looks like Kyburz got the piece of evidence that might tie everything together. Now we just need the rest.

Rest = thinking time!


J/k guys its the new Mass Effect game.
(Oh god please not aliens)

Yup ... ALIENS!

[IllusionOfLife]

ALIENS!

This kind of senselessness makes me think of an old Dutch saying:

Het is maar de stilte voor de storm (it's just the silence before the storm)

Good sir, if you are implying that my alien theory is senseless you need to catch up on your '50s B-movie sci-fi. Power-outages, strange lightning storms, mysterious black goo, set in the 1950s, it all points to aliens. Mark my words.

[vicious_pretty]

I wonder why you were sent an add for a fallout shelter though. Some of the articles seem significant, while others make no sense at all.

the ad for the fallout shelter is from a book called, "fallout protection: what to know and do about nuclear attack". it was created in 1961 by the department of defense, a request by president john f. kennedy to "give the american people facts they need to know about the dangers of a thermonuclear attack and what they can do to protect themselves."

[RaptureRaven]

Ok first, I am so insanely jealous it's not even funny. It's killing me I'm not in on this.

Second, this is freaking cool! I agree the first thing I thought when I read freak lightening storm was electrobolt! I'm dying waiting for an answer about anything!

[auditdirox]

Yup ... ALIENS!

splicers...maybe
aliens...i dont think so
splicer aliens...:eek: :eek:

[Daddy Is Strong!]

Good sir, if you are implying that my alien theory is senseless you need to catch up on your '50s B-movie sci-fi. Power-outages, strange lightning storms, mysterious black goo, set in the 1950s, it all points to aliens. Mark my words.

What if you are wrong?

SETTING ALL BETS!

[auditdirox]

the ad for the fallout shelter is from a book called, "fallout protection: what to know and do about nuclear attack". it was created in 1961 by the department of defense, a request by president john f. kennedy to "give the american people facts they need to know about the dangers of a thermonuclear attack and what they can do to protect themselves."

this is seeming to tie in more with the bad ending of bioshock1

[IllusionOfLife]

What if you are wrong?

SETTING ALL BETS!

I already proposed a wager to Codex, she got offline before she responded though.

[magicman4443]

Good sir, if you are implying that my alien theory is senseless you need to catch up on your '50s B-movie sci-fi. Power-outages, strange lightning storms, mysterious black goo, set in the 1950s, it all points to aliens. Mark my words.
I don't see how aliens could be connected to BS, and if this isn't for Bioshock, how could any other company have gotten our addresses. So far,t he only thing that ties us all together is this forum and the letters we sent to Mark. I'm holding out on calling aliens until the Little Green men touch down and slap me across the face.

[majorjackass]

Here is what you're looking for in relation to the "computer" punch cards you received (Well, they contain digital data anyway :) :

some pics of other cards: http://images.google.com/images?rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS352&q=computer+punch+cards&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=LWu_S_y0BIOB8gbwyfGSCQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQsAQwAA

and your obligatory Wikipedia reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card

[Supercharge]

that article about the enemy within their borders and about weapons 'our government refuses to research' could these be splicers mistaken for communists?

it could be possible that what we are seeing are EDEN splicers. and they are kind of like zombies, killing randomly and in isolated incidents at first but as the EDEN spreads..

another theory is this black tar could be created through some new plasmid that messes with the atmosphere?

i guess it's still too early to guess anything..i'm eagerly awaiting more info :)

[Donut232]

Wow, Kyburz hit the jackpot with information.

So far black goo, signs of a stuggle, black smoke, and power outages have preceeded nearly every one of these incidents... The plot is thickening at an alarming rate!

[The Helvetica Scenario]

The People's Republic of China was proclaimed by Mao Zedong in 1949, so at the very least we're seeing something in the time frame after that. My guess is that considering the concern in the anti-communist Desert Freedom League or whatever's message, our game will be set in roughly around that time.

[IllusionOfLife]

I don't see how aliens could be connected to BS, and if this isn't for Bioshock, how could any other company have gotten our addresses. So far,t he only thing that ties us all together is this forum and the letters we sent to Mark. I'm holding out on calling aliens until the Little Green men touch down and slap me across the face.

My theory is that it's a whole new IP from 2K Marin, and they're using the SitS mailing list to advertise it. 2K Marin can't only work on BioShock after all.

[PoeticMadnesss]

PACKAGE RECEIVED!

Updatng in a few minutes

[Using-Plasmids-All-Day!]

Good sir, if you are implying that my alien theory is senseless you need to catch up on your '50s B-movie sci-fi. Power-outages, strange lightning storms, mysterious black goo, set in the 1950s, it all points to aliens. Mark my words.

Well, I'm not easy to convince, but I do think it has something to do with E.T. things ... Like aliens. If you have enough arguments to convince me and you can put up a good discussion, you are right. You know, I could just say ''HE IS RIGHT ZOMG'' but then your theory would be accepted to fast. For every weight there must be a counterweight.

[Alisa180]

I created an account JUST to reply to all this...So hi! I'm a long time lurker! First time poster!

Did it ever occur to anyone that that black stuff in the vials recieved is possibly ADAM?

[DeliciousCake]

I already proposed a wager to Codex, she got offline before she responded though.

Sorry for offtopic but... Codex is a girl???!!!! Mind = Blown.

[auditdirox]

Wow, Kyburz hit the jackpot with information.

So far black goo, signs of a stuggle, black smoke, and power outages have preceeded nearly every one of these incidents... The plot is thickening at an alarming rate!

*cough*splicers took a nuclear sub and went to the surface*cough*cough*

[Sir_Goose]

Well, it may be possible to narrow the potential dates to before 1970 now, as Police Phone boxes in London stopped being used then because of the introduction of personal radios.

[IllusionOfLife]

Well, I'm not easy to convince, but I do think it has something to do with E.T. things ... Like aliens. If you have enough arguments to convince me and you can put up a good discussion, you are right. You know, I could just say ''HE IS RIGHT ZOMG'' but then your theory would be accepted to fast. For every weight there must be a counterweight.

The whole 'good sir' bit was just me being a goofball because I'm excited about having a new theory. Really though, there's not enough information yet to make a full argument out of, but the things that are showing up in this campaign smell strongly of 1950s sci-fi and that's where my alien theory comes in. Once we get more info I'll adjust my theory accordingly.

[Supercharge]

I created an account JUST to reply to all this...So hi! I'm a long time lurker! First time poster!

Did it ever occur to anyone that that black stuff in the vials recieved is possibly ADAM?

yeh, that's one of our theories. either that or it's dangerous EDEN counterpart.


it seems odd that it'd be splattered everywhere though. unless these people are secretly splicers who escaped from rapture, and are being hunted down.. splattering their ADAM filled blood everywhere..