Whatever happened to Cohen?

[Veerdin Wraith]

In bioshock 2, the only references to Sander Cohen are one line that brute splicers say and a sign in that place was flooded. So, in BS1, we have the option to kill Sander Cohen, if we don't, he reappears in Mercury Suites and you have another chance to kill him, but again, you don't have to. So, does anyone think he might make an appearence in BS3? I like to think he surived both BS1 and BS2 because a character as awesome as Cohen souldn't be allowed to die.

I think after BS1, Cohen took controll of Mercury Suites and held a sort of outpost against the Rapture Family in BS2 - Cohen has a lot of influence on splicers, particularly the still-human spider splicers and Houdini splicers, and he holds a lot of power himself, so I imagine he wouldn't want to take any of that Family crap. And after the end of BS2 I think Cohen would want to take his insanity to the surface.

Any other speculation?

[The ADAM Reaper]

I think that that one room you find with the unstable teleport plasmid is dedicated to Cohen too. Since it has all the statues of people looking like artwork.

[Relight]

Yeah, I can imagine Cohen becoming even MORE insane, and going to live in the darkest depths of Rapture (which is where that statue room is in BioShock 2), where he creates "The Creepiest Show on Earth!" If BioShock 3 went for a bit of a darker edge, they could do some amazing things by bringing Cohen back.

[Donut232]

I like Cohen just as much as the next guy, but I doubt that Cohen will make an actual physical appearance in any story that takes place after the events of Bioshock. I say this purely for the way they handled the two different Bioshock endings for Bioshock 2.

They made both endings canon so that it didnt matter if you decided to be evil and kill the Little Sisters, you still hear that the nuclear sub was hijacked, and vice versa.

Its the same thing here. You have the option to kill Cohen, but you dont have to. If I was playing through Bioshock 3 and saw Sander Cohen Id say "...I killed you!" Breaks the immersion in the universe which so many people who play hold so dear.

[neveryone]

Actually in Bioshock 1 if you find his room later on in the game, he'll attack you and you kill him. If you go by that, he's dead.

[Mr.Big_Daddy]

Actually in Bioshock 1 if you find his room later on in the game, he'll attack you and you kill him. If you go by that, he's dead.

Yeah, but there's a glitch where if you attack the Quadtych he resurrects -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khtOEwMbJcc

[Relight]

Yeah, but there's a glitch where if you attack the Quadtych he resurrects -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khtOEwMbJcc

Yeah but glitches don't really enter into the discussion of whether something is canon or not. It's a glitch, so it was obviously unintended.

[The ADAM Reaper]

Guess it's up to 2k weather killing him is canon or not...but even if he did come back in a sequal it would feel a little...meh...

Yeah it would be awesome to see him again, but when you think about it, most people did kill Cohen sometime in the game.

So if him living all of a sudden turned out to be canon in BS3 and you see him again, like Donut said, players may think "wth?! I killed you!"

And then we would spiral into an unrealistic discussion about his son who never existed rigged a vita-chamber in some way, and brought him back to life...it just wouldn't feel right...

[grievous04]

cohen cant come back in a sequel. if you have a choice to kill him then its safe to asume that he is dead. i know some poeple didnt kill him but its bad storytelling to have someone in a game that could have died in the first one. in bs2 you have a chouce to kill three poeple. that means thay cant come back either. the devolopers have to respect the players choices. i killed cohen and i would be soo pissed off if he showed in a sequel.

[Crezth]

cohen cant come back in a sequel. if you have a choice to kill him then its safe to asume that he is dead. i know some poeple didnt kill him but its bad storytelling to have someone in a game that could have died in the first one. in bs2 you have a chouce to kill three poeple. that means thay cant come back either. the devolopers have to respect the players choices. i killed cohen and i would be soo pissed off if he showed in a sequel.

Yep. Cohen's fate is unknown.

[Doctor Tivilon]

Wait, what do the Brute Splicers say about Cohen?

[spaceghostcoast]

Wait, what do the Brute Splicers say about Cohen?

"Sander Cohen, there was a man: sharp suit, good mustache, took no guff[?]" You can hear it here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPgX7YaRIOs) at 7:29.

I think it's kind of funny that the Brute, who has quite a few anti-queer (as he puts it) lines of dialogue, admires Sander when a lot of people think that Cohen was gay.

[Doctor Tivilon]

"Sander Cohen, there was a man: sharp suit, good mustache, took no guff[?]" You can hear it here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPgX7YaRIOs) at 7:29.

I think it's kind of funny that the Brute, who has quite a few anti-queer (as he puts it) lines of dialogue, admires Sander when a lot of people think that Cohen was gay.


Ah, thanks for that, guy. I really like thew quote after it, " A bleedin' golf club? Who'da thought? I'm never havin' kids".

[Veerdin Wraith]

Actually in Bioshock 1 if you find his room later on in the game, he'll attack you and you kill him. If you go by that, he's dead.

Uh, he doesn't attack you, he actually invites you in to enjoy the dance. He'll only attack if you disrupt the dance, which you don't have to do.

[auditdirox]

o this arguement again...
Choen must die because to avoid the theory of alternate reality/ history. Basicly there would be a huge plot hole if you killed choen and he reappeared in bio 2. So the way it is now is if you killed him he died, and if you didn't kill him someone else did.;)

[The ADAM Reaper]

o this arguement again...
Choen must die because to avoid the theory of alternate reality/ history. Basicly there would be a huge plot hole if you killed choen and he reappeared in bio 2. So the way it is now is if you killed him he died, and if you didn't kill him someone else did.;)

Yeah, like I said, the majority of players most likely killed Cohen on their first playthrough.

[RaptureRaven]

I kill him every time, simply because he annoys me to no end. Sometimes I kill him in Fort Frolic, sometimes in Mercury Suites, just depends on my mood at the time ;)

I don't think I'd be thrilled to see him in BS3...meh.

[Crezth]

I killed Cohen in every playthrough and I will continue killing that damn fraud artist and if he is alive in a later installment there will be hell to pay.

[auditdirox]

hey lets not bag on the artist...even if he is an annoying SOB!!;)

[Alpha series]

cohen cant come back in a sequel. if you have a choice to kill him then its safe to asume that he is dead. i know some poeple didnt kill him but its bad storytelling to have someone in a game that could have died in the first one. in bs2 you have a chouce to kill three poeple. that means thay cant come back either. the devolopers have to respect the players choices. i killed cohen and i would be soo pissed off if he showed in a sequel.

2k could easily make some random story up and bring him back. Example: Sander Cohen got killed by someone in his home. (Not gonna say who) But he was actually playing dead >.> Or something like that.

[The_Noob]

Maybe his final wish to his minions was that when he died, he would be preserved as a masterpiece, with the one Jack assembled a mere backdrop. It would be funny, but a little sad, especially if it had little tokens to his past, and the plaque would say:
"I could not take the ears off, they had to be lifted by another."

[RaptureWillBeReborn]

Maybe his final wish to his minions was that when he died, he would be preserved as a masterpiece, with the one Jack assembled a mere backdrop. It would be funny, but a little sad, especially if it had little tokens to his past, and the plaque would say:
"I could not take the ears off, they had to be lifted by another."

That would be GENIOUS

[Codex]

Well, you have the choice to kill him or not to kill him. Technically, he either sits there admiring his Quadtych for the rest of his life or you kill him. Not a large mental leap.

[Gilbert Alexander]

Yep like others said 2k could add almost anything. One theory I had if Cohen was ever to come back Cohen could've had a personal Vita-Chamber given by Ryan (Besides Ryan really did want Cohen). To not add anymore plot-holes, Cohen will not reveal who killed him and might've even forgot. I really doubt he will appear in future titles (Only prequels may shed some light) but if he does, my theory seems to fit. Oh and by the way I think there's a room in "Dionysus Park" that pays a tribute to Sander Cohen.

[FeIonious]

I'd love to Cohen come back personally, he is one of the most interesting characters in Bioshock and their was a choice by the player to let him live. I really don't get why some are saying they would be sooooooo pissed if he did come back, it really isn't that serious.

[Daddy Is Strong!]

They should really have his Masterpiece return at least

So we may admire the artist!

[Gotengo]

Maybe he has an older version of the multiplayers ressurection tonic active :p

so after 6 hours he lives again until he gets beaten again (then he would be really dead)

[Using-Plasmids-All-Day!]

Well, Cohen coming back in Bio3 would be kinda wierd, because you had the option to kill him. But I hope 2K realizes that Sander Cohen was one of the best video-game charachters ever made! In Bio2 we have the room in Dionysus Park, I don't really know why it's there and is called ''Cohen's Collection'' since that one should be in Fort Frolic and why there are almost no Cohen related artworks, but I liked to see something of that crazy man. He might return in Bio3, because of some unexplainable event. I have faith in 2K that they'll make a good story!

If you have Deco Devolution you could've read that they were actually going to remake Fort Frolic, and that you can walk through the room with the Masterpiece! The octagonal room, the stairs, everything. But it got removed and Dionysus Park came instead of Fort Frolic. By the way, they were going to make Fort Frolic flooded. Maybe, if you have this idea in mind, that Fort Frolic got flooded, you can think of what happened to Cohen. The poor guy drowned.

Man, I really hope to see something Cohen-related in Bio3. But no, I don't have to see him alive, because his art was about death, in the end.

The last time I played Bio1 I used Telekinesis to put Cohen on the stairs to his Masterpiece, with one of his arms in a reaching position, and his head as if he was listening to it. Oh and I made a little crime-scene of it, just for fun. A little bolt in his head, some holes in the floor from my pistol, etc. Splicer corpses:rolleyes:

I love you Cohen!

[Shades]

Well, if you didn't kill him, I doubt that he would survive another ten years in Rapture.

[RaptureWillBeReborn]

but you forget one thing..


HE'S SANDER ******* COHEN!!!!!!

[Shades]

but you forget one thing..


HE'S SANDER ******* COHEN!!!!!!

Lol, I agree with this post!

[Ga1Friday]

In bioshock 2, the only references to Sander Cohen are one line that brute splicers say and a sign in that place was flooded.

What do Brute splicers say about him? (sorry if that is a bit off topic)

[TicTox]

What do Brute splicers say about him? (sorry if that is a bit off topic)

Its somewhere here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPgX7YaRIOs), somewhere in the middle I think.... :confused:

[Shades]

What do Brute splicers say about him? (sorry if that is a bit off topic)

I think they say this: 'Sander Cohen. There was a man! Sharp suit, good moustache, took no guff!'

[Gilbert Alexander]

I think they say this: 'Sander Cohen. There was a man! Sharp suit, good moustache, took no guff!'

They also refer to him as an old fruit.

[Grathius22]

I believe Sander Cohen should show once more, He was a really awesome guy, really. He had a lot of influence on the Splicers, too...he made them attack you while he played music! Also, even though he is psycho, he was reserved enough to try and hold himself back from killing you. I mean, Sander Cohen was just like... my favorite character in the whole game, and that isn't hard to say even though both Bioshock games have so many great characters!

I think, the story of his return could be that he used the Houdini plasmid or he was just playing dead, he could have had a personal Vita chamber, from Ryan himself too.

[Drew36Chambers]

I like Cohen just as much as the next guy, but I doubt that Cohen will make an actual physical appearance in any story that takes place after the events of Bioshock. I say this purely for the way they handled the two different Bioshock endings for Bioshock 2.

They made both endings canon so that it didnt matter if you decided to be evil and kill the Little Sisters, you still hear that the nuclear sub was hijacked, and vice versa.

Its the same thing here. You have the option to kill Cohen, but you dont have to. If I was playing through Bioshock 3 and saw Sander Cohen Id say "...I killed you!" Breaks the immersion in the universe which so many people who play hold so dear.



I agree with this. I think Cohen's level is the best level in bioshock and I love the character as well but you're right, given the fact that he can be either alive or dead, it's not reasonable to just say "oh, well some people killed him and some didn't so lets throw him in BS3." It muddles the story, which is so important to the game.

[grievous04]

idk if anyone noticed this but in d.park in the room with the broken ammo vending machine towards the begining of the level, if you harvest from a corpse there after its over you here cohen laughing. also his music plays there and on the one in cohen's collection.

[Joshkbai]

What if Bioshock 3 read your Bioshock 1 data and determined if Cohen will be alive during the game? And If you don't have any Bioshock 1 data then he'll automatically be alive. But I killed him so <.< yeah. But it's an interesting thought nonetheless..

[Donut232]

What if Bioshock 3 read your Bioshock 1 data and determined if Cohen will be alive during the game? And If you don't have any Bioshock 1 data then he'll automatically be alive. But I killed him so <.< yeah. But it's an interesting thought nonetheless..

What if you have two different saves? One where hes dead and one where hes alive? What then?

And then what would he do? Walk in the room and be all "Heyyyy, sup?" and then leave? You cant make him important to the story because of those people out there that killed him. And then youll have people complaining that they killed Cohen for the achievement points and whatnot in Bioshock and cant see him in this one and there will be a new topic every hour here complaining about that.

Ive said it before, even in the very topic (and it was even quoted above), I highly doubt he'll be back in a physical, living form. Cohen's Collection and his laugh in Dionysus Park is one thing because its just a little nod like "'Member him?".

Please note that Im not attacking you or anything, Im just sayin... :/

[Joshkbai]

What if you have two different saves? One where hes dead and one where hes alive? What then?

And then what would he do? Walk in the room and be all "Heyyyy, sup?" and then leave? You cant make him important to the story because of those people out there that killed him. And then youll have people complaining that they killed Cohen for the achievement points and whatnot in Bioshock and cant see him in this one and there will be a new topic every hour here complaining about that.

Ive said it before, even in the very topic (and it was even quoted above), I highly doubt he'll be back in a physical, living form. Cohen's Collection and his laugh in Dionysus Park is one thing because its just a little nod like "'Member him?".

Please note that Im not attacking you or anything, Im just sayin... :/

For some reason people in this thread are under the impression that half of Bioshock 3 will be about Sandher Cohen. Maybe he wouldn't have that much of an impact on the outcome of the story, and if you reeaaally wanted him to be still alive then you could get an option before you start the game whether or not you wanted the game to read your previous bioshock data.

Just speculation, personally I didn't care that much for him anyways..

[boomer]

I believe that they chose not to include cohen because the player had a choice to kill him or not.

[Donut232]

Just speculation, personally I didn't care that much for him anyways..

Hahaha, nah its not that we think itll be all about him or anything, its the fact that bringing him back would mess with the lore and core story and key points and canon and all that good stuff that we all love Bioshock for.

They gave us two different endings to Bioshock depending on how we wanted to play, and when the sequal came around its like "Ok, how do we handle this?" On the one hand people went through got the evil ending, yet on the other hand they went through and got the good/neutral ending.

Picking an ending to branch off from basically says, this one is right and if you didnt get it yours is wrong, play the game right next time. And thats basically what this discussion is.

[rAdam]

"Sander Cohen, there was a man: sharp suit, good mustache, took no guff[?]" You can hear it here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPgX7YaRIOs) at 7:29.

I think it's kind of funny that the Brute, who has quite a few anti-queer (as he puts it) lines of dialogue, admires Sander when a lot of people think that Cohen was gay.

The Brute is gay, though, right? I thought that was the intention or I read that was their intention it's just not said explicitly.

[CHAINS4W]

I think that they could easily create a sideish mission with an assortment of audio diaries leading you to a secret. I at least hope that they bring his theme song back somewhere, its one of my favorite pieces ever!

[DavidtheBrave1]

The only reason they would bring back Cohen is because of fan service.