The Grenade Launcher Thread To End All Grenade Launcher Threads

[STOP@RED]

Hey Guys,

The Grenade Launcher, like any other weapons has it's pros and it's noobs.
Please understand, that there are people who abuse the mess out of this weapon and thus give it an extremely bad rep.

But what we all must realize is that the Grenade Launcher is not some "magical auto-win tool", despite it's power. I know alot of you out there probably run circles around GL Users and I applaud your skill. I just ask that you open your mind and not be prejudice against all Grenade Launcher users or think of them as "spamming noobs".

Thats all,
STOP@RED

Please Post all complaints, techniques, rants, discussion, suggestions,and spam about the Grenade Launcher here. No need (for anyone) to clutter up the forum anymore with Grenade Launcher Topics.
If you see a Grenade Launcher thread that is basically one of the aforementioned subjects please redirect them here.

Remember, try and stay civil and on topic.

My Grenade Launcher Class

Primary: Vanilla Grenade Launcher
Secondary: The Damage Increase Crossbow

Plasmids:

Geyser Trap: I use it as a warning system and also its a OSKC (One Shot Kill Combo) when paired with the GL

Winter Blast: Gotta freeze those other Resurrection users so they cant suicide/kill me/get killed by someone else

Tonics:

Resurrection: Its popular so I use it. Lame I know
Eve Saver: Saves Eve
Metabolic Eve: Allows me to use Houdini alot more often.




Choosing your Grenade:
Thought I would just post good tactics to use with each Grenade Launcher Upgrade

Vanilla Launcher:
Best Situations: 1v1, Unsuspecting Opponents, Dueling Opponents
Damage: 20-45 splash shot, 50 body shot
Best Combat Range: All
Works Best With: Houdini, Telekinesis, Geyser Trap, Aero Dash
Is Buffed by: None
Is Nerfed by: None
Countered by: Telekinesis
Ammo Capactity: Low (3)

The regular Grenade Launcher is my personal favorite and probably the most versatile launcher. It has Great Damage, but the arc is slow and occasionally you may miss a body shot because of it's slowness, but the Splash Damage will compensate for most losses. 2nd to Heat Seaking RPG, this Grenade has a good chance of setting things on fire.

Heat Seeking RPG (HSRPG)
Best Situations: Hard to Reach Opponents, 1v1, Dueling Opponents
Damage: Usually 35, (since its homing it does not have any splash damage)
Best Combat Range: Medium-Close
Works Best With: Incinerate, Houdini, Telekinesis, Geyser Trap, Aero Dash
Is Buffed by: Incinerate
Is Nerfed by: Winter Blast
Is Countered by: Aero Dash, Houdini, Telekinesis
Ammo Capacity: Low(3)

The Heat Seeking RPG is a blessing and a curse. It usually has pinpoint accuracy but the grenade travels slowly and is easily dodged by opponents using aero dash, Houdini, Telekinesis or even Fast Feet. The Heat Seeking RPG should be used from a medium-close distance to ensure that the grenade hits the opponent before they have time to counter or react. A Good defensive combo is to pair the HSRPG with Geyser Trap so when opponents fall into the trap the homing grenade can land a good body shot and this will usually kill if not severely weaken your opponent. An Offensive tactic is to pair the HSRPG with Incinerate which increases its homing efficiency tremendously. Opponents struck with Winter Blast will become last priority for the HSRPG and the grenade might accidentally miss them. the HSRPG cannot home-in on opponents that are invisible with Houdini OR Dashing with Aero Dash


Rapid Fire Grenade Launcher
Best Situations: Groups of Enemies ,Dueling Opponents, Sweeping
Damage: Usually 25(Splash Damage), 35(Body Shot)
Best Combat Range: Medium-Far
Works Best With: Incinerate, Houdini, Telekinesis,
Is Buffed by: None
Is Nerfed by: None
Is Countered by: Aero Dash, Houdini, Telekinesis
Ammo Capacity: Medium(4)

This Grenade Launcher Upgrade is basically helps to kill already weakened opponents. It reduces the delay between firing a grenade by about 1/3. The catch is that the grenades launched are weaker and do less damage. BUT you can hold an extra grenade in the magazine. I strongly recommend you use this weapon only on weakened opponents. This is because it requires 4-6 splash shots to kill a normal full health opponent and 3 body shots. Since the GL is a naturally slow weapon (even with the speed launching upgrade) the speed for power trade isnt all that great, and the extra grenade in the magazine hardly comes in handy. As usual, it can be countered by Telekinesis, Avoided by Aero Dash/Houdini.


Grenade Launcher Tips (Team/General)

1. You are the frontal assault (try and stay slightly ahead of your teammates"-

You are essentially the "frontrunner" for the team, knock down enemy defenses so that the nail-gun and tommy-gun users can sweep the remains.

2. Stick with a player.

-As stated before "Two guns are better than one" but an even better combination is "One gun and a grenade launcher". You knock down the defense and the behind player can sweep if your killed.

3. Telekinesis (optional) Houdini (optional)

- To be a good grenadier you must be able to stop other grenadiers, Telekinesis will do that for you. Learn the art of catching and flinging back grenades. (You have a greater chance of catching a grenade IF you already have an object in your hand.) Also a telekinesis stun + two close proximity splash grenades are a lethal combination.

-Houdini is actually the main plasmid I use in conjunction with the launcher because it provides the stealth and time I need to make kills. I friggin love it and you will to if you give it a try.

4. If you INSIST on using Homing Grenades

- Then equip incinerate, this is because the grenades home-in faster and are more accurate when an opponent is lit on fire

5. Always use Resurrection or Speedy Recovery when possible

-Resurrection and Speedy Recovery will "fix" your mistakes sometimes. and will give you a second chance in the battle.

6. Aero Dash is very useful -

Since the Grenade Launcher will occasionally light things on fire it is always handy to have Aero Dash to extinguish the flames quickly. Also using Aero Dash to get in front of teammates will allow you to maintain the "front-runner" position

7. Have the last laugh

IF you are low on health and you are fighting an opponent AND there is a red barrel in the room, shoot the barrel because your opponent will most likely be killed by the blast afterward if you are in close proximity

8. Last Resort 490-490 situation

I never suggest using this tactic in SOTF or any other mode but in Civil War, But if you are using ressurection and you are close to a wall, shoot the wall in order to "take your own life" and not allow your opponent to have the kill.

9. Dont Research

It's pointless for the Grenade Launcher, Researching only slightly increases the damage dealt by splash shots, but it's so negligible it really isnt worth the precious time

10. To kill a TK user using a grenade launcher

-Aim to sides of him so that he cant "catch" the grenade. (the outside part of the leg is a good spot to aim) Or fire an xbow arrow and then switch to GL and pulverize

11. Geyser Trap + 1 Grenade Body shot is a One Hit Kill Combo

12. Fully Charged Incinerate + 1 Grenade Body shot is a One Hit Kill Combo (but it takes some time)

13. If an opponent is falling from a great height (think falling from the top floor of Home for the poor) and you land a body shot with a grenade Launcher it is a one hit kill (when they land on the ground)

14. The Grenade Explosion always does MORE damage to the user in VERY CLOSE proximity.

[dggoodall]

this is like the fifth thread that you made saying the same thing get over it we get it

[spicyfresh]

i'm starting to accept that a truly skilled person with the GL is not good with the actual GL, but with the combination of plasmids and weapon switching in tight situations. lets be honest, how hard is it to 1v1 someone and not $h1t all over them with the GL.

[STOP@RED]

this is like the fifth thread that you made saying the same thing get over it we get it

Well you post your complaints right here my man!

[dggoodall]

Well you post your complaints right here my man!

its not a complaint im just saying we heard you the first four times you dont need to beat the horse to death

[Houdini Splicer]

I've posted my opinion of the GL elsewhere so I won't repeat myself. However I will repeat that not everybody who uses a GL is some sort of spamming noob. The Majority? Yes. Everyone? No.

[STOP@RED]

its not a complaint im just saying we heard you the first four times you dont need to beat the horse to death

Well this thread will be where ALL the Grenade Launcher critcism and discussion will go.

[Houdini Splicer]

Well this thread will be where ALL the Grenade Launcher critcism and discussion will go.

A very good idea.

[dggoodall]

Well this thread will be where ALL the Grenade Launcher critcism and discussion will go.

thats fine as long as you make this one the last one i mean you like a little kid trying to get there daddys aproval and trying to validate there actions

[spicyfresh]

Well this thread will be where ALL the Grenade Launcher critcism and discussion will go.

until you make a new one

;3

[STOP@RED]

hats fine as long as you make this one the last one i mean you like a little kid trying to get there daddys aproval and trying to validate there actions
Sure....Whatever

[Houdini Splicer]

thats fine as long as you make this one the last one i mean you like a little kid trying to get there daddys aproval and trying to validate there actions

Please don't try an insult people here, take it else where. I really couldn't care less how many topics he makes as long as he isn't trying to be rude.

Also he, and everyone else on this forum is entitled to their own opinion as long as it's not obscene or could be seen as offensive. You are dangerously close to the line.

[dggoodall]

until you make a new one

;3

exactly and next one and the next one

[STOP@RED]

exactly and next one and the next one

Kid, If your not going to post about the Grenade Launcher please leave

[Houdini Splicer]

Actually I will post my opinions for the record.

The Grenade Launcer its self isn't in anyway overpowered (Especially when compared to the one shot grenade Launcher from MW2) However I find it cheap when, and only when, they have heat seeking.

The Elephant gun takes 3 shots to kill with, but imagine if the bullets homed in? It would be insane.

Personally I don't think the slash damage is all that bad, though that's usually because there isn't any splash damage due to the fact the grenade just homed in on my face.

Though I do know there are very skilled people who use the GL just as there is with any weapon. It's just unfortunate that the vast majority ruin it for the minority (Which is usually the case right?)

[dggoodall]

Kid, If your not going to post about the Grenade Launcher please leave

im not saying i dont agree with you but i dont thing we should keep rehashing the same topic over and over agian ill tell you whats gonna happen some people are gonna cry about the gl and some people are gonna defend it end of story

[BraveGnome]

I used to think the GL was the complete noob weapon, but I don't really care anymore. It's just a game haha. If someone isn't the best at aiming or whatever, they should use the grenade launcher instead of failing and getting no kills. And of course there are counters to it like telekinesis to throw back grenades, houdini, telekinesis to stun them. I still think it's one of the easier weapons to use, but I don't think we should all have a fit over it anymore.

[dggoodall]

The answer to unnoobifying the Grenade Launcher is right before our eyes trad wasnt that the exact same thread ???

[dggoodall]

point provin im out

[Zoobi]

Did you read my pms?

Despite hating the grenade launcher with a bloody passion, I decided to run a little test today in Civil War. Keep in mind I tried to keep an unbiased opinion while I played these matches.

My test involved the velocity upgrade however. Not only is the splash still pretty immense(around 3-5 feet away), but the actual projectile alone gives you a LOT of leeway because even if you miss someone by a few inches, the projectile is bigger than it appears either that, or hitboxes are bigger than the body shows. I went 28 and 5 in that match.

A couple matches later I decided to try out the GL without any upgrades. The splash radius is just far too large. There's no arguing with it, for a weapon that takes the same amount of splash hits to kill a target, that a crossbow takes to kill someone with direct hits, it's just too much.

I never tried the homing rocket upgrade because lets face it, it makes the grenade launcher an inferior weapon. The projectiles are too easy to dodge.

In the end, while it's fun to "pwn noobs" with an easy weapon, it needs to be toned down. The splash damage is fine IMO, but the splash radius needs to be cut in half to make the weapon have at least a little margin of error. As it is now the weapon is too easy to be good with, even with people who aren't that great at FPS's. You take 2 people who are equally skilled, pit one with the regular or velocity upgraded grenade launcher and the other with, lets say the crossbow, they come face to face meaning no one gets the drop, I'd say 3-4 times out of 5 the grenade launcher person will come out on top. Now imagine a team of 3-5 people(which happens quite often) with grenade launchers and you have absolute mayhem that the only real counter for is to equip grenade launchers yourself. I think that we can all agree that a game full of grenade launchers without any other weapons would get really dull, really fast and if that is what the developers intended when they implemented the grenade launcher in its current state, why even put the other weapons in?

Sure there will be other people who will TRY to go against the grain(like myself, I absolutely refuse to use the grenade launcher[other than the little tests I ran today]), but in the end they will inevitably lose against the grenade spam given they are playing against people of equal skill.

[STOP@RED]

Did you read my pms?

Despite hating the grenade launcher with a bloody passion, I decided to run a little test today in Civil War. Keep in mind I tried to keep an unbiased opinion while I played these matches.

My test involved the velocity upgrade however. Not only is the splash still pretty immense(around 3-5 feet away), but the actual projectile alone gives you a LOT of leeway because even if you miss someone by a few inches, the projectile is bigger than it appears either that, or hitboxes are bigger than the body shows. I went 28 and 5 in that match.

A couple matches later I decided to try out the GL without any upgrades. The splash radius is just far too large. There's no arguing with it, for a weapon that takes the same amount of splash hits to kill a target, that a crossbow takes to kill someone with direct hits, it's just too much.

I never tried the homing rocket upgrade because lets face it, it makes the grenade launcher an inferior weapon. The projectiles are too easy to dodge.

In the end, while it's fun to "pwn noobs" with an easy weapon, it needs to be toned down. The splash damage is fine IMO, but the splash radius needs to be cut in half to make the weapon have at least a little margin of error. As it is now the weapon is too easy to be good with, even with people who aren't that great at FPS's. You take 2 people who are equally skilled, pit one with the regular or velocity upgraded grenade launcher and the other with, lets say the crossbow, they come face to face meaning no one gets the drop, I'd say 3-4 times out of 5 the grenade launcher person will come out on top. Now imagine a team of 3-5 people(which happens quite often) with grenade launchers and you have absolute mayhem that the only real counter for is to equip grenade launchers yourself. I think that we can all agree that a game full of grenade launchers without any other weapons would get really dull, really fast and if that is what the developers intended when they implemented the grenade launcher in its current state, why even put the other weapons in?

Sure there will be other people who will TRY to go against the grain(like myself, I absolutely refuse to use the grenade launcher[other than the little tests I ran today]), but in the end they will inevitably lose against the grenade spam given they are playing against people of equal skill.

Ive just tested out your theory, And Id like to respectfully point a few things out

The Velocity Grenade does include that "margin of error" your speaking of. It does not have an arc, meaning it is possible to completely miss the target and not damage them in anyway. You Zoobi did not miss, the average player would miss more often than you claim.

Also Zoobi it's not a surprise that it is a two hit kill for the GL (bodyshot speaking) because that would make it equal in damage to the Elephant Gun on most occasions. Meaning that the GL and Elephant Gun are tied for damage.

Zoobi, I must question though, If you claim you were getting bodyshots then wouldnt the "splash" of the Velocity grenade not be of much importance? Since most of the splash damage is absorbed by the opponent that you hit?

[STOP@RED]

. It's just unfortunate that the vast majority ruin it for the minority (Which is usually the case right?)

Correct :o

[Zoobi]

Ive just tested out your theory, And Id like to respectfully point a few things out

The Velocity Grenade does include that "margin of error" your speaking of. It does not have an arc, meaning it is possible to completely miss the target and not damage them in anyway. You Zoobi did not miss, the average player would miss more often than you claim.
I can concede that the average player will miss more often than what I do(although I'm hardly a pro at the game)

Also Zoobi it's not a surprise that it is a two hit kill for the GL (bodyshot speaking) because that would make it equal in damage to the Elephant Gun on most occasions. Meaning that the GL and Elephant Gun are tied for damage.
It actually takes 2 body shots and a plasmid hit or a third shot to kill someone with the EG(unless you have research bonus or damage upgrade). So the grenade launcher is actually better in that regard, although the EG has a higher rate of fire, a shorter clip and roughly the same reload time.

Zoobi, I must question though, If you claim you were getting bodyshots then wouldnt the "splash" of the Velocity grenade not be of much importance? Since most of the splash damage is absorbed by the opponent that you hit?
I tested to see how large the splash radius on the velocity upgrade was. It was roughly 2-5 feet. I more or less tested this to see how effective it was for when you do miss, now if you're in a big open area(from my experience, people love to hug walls in this game) then the splash radius is fine for missing(with the velocity upgrade) however tight areas still let you do a pretty decent amount of splash damage granted your opponents are moving together.

Answers in bold.

[STOP@RED]

Ive just tested out your theory, And Id like to respectfully point a few things out

It actually takes 2 body shots and a plasmid hit or a third shot to kill someone with the EG(unless you have research bonus or damage upgrade). So the grenade launcher is actually better in that regard, although the EG has a higher rate of fire, a shorter clip and roughly the same reload time.
But we must remember that a single Elephant Gun Headshot is an instant kill

I tested to see how large the splash radius on the velocity upgrade was. It was roughly 2-5 feet. I more or less tested this to see how effective it was for when you do miss, now if you're in a big open area(from my experience, people love to hug walls in this game) then the splash radius is fine for missing(with the velocity upgrade) however tight areas still let you do a pretty decent amount of splash damage granted your opponents are moving together.Agreed, Ive noticed because since most people "backpedal" when getting damaged missing in a small room could be quite beneficial to the "misser"

(Answers in bold)

Zoobi, would this be a "fair grenade launcher"
Each Grenade is on a 3 second timer (that comes into effect once the grenade hits a non organic object). If the person hit someone directly with the grenade then it instantly explodes. If the person misses then the grenade will explode after it's 3 second timer expires.

[dggoodall]

[QUOTE=Zoobi, would this be a "fair grenade launcher"
Each Grenade is on a 3 second timer (that comes into effect once the grenade hits a non organic object). If the person hit someone directly with the grenade then it instantly explodes. If the person misses then the grenade will explode after it's 3 second timer expires.[/QUOTE]


I think that would be a good sulution

[laikalappie]

Yeah, you really do make a thread every day or so.

Good initiative though.

[STOP@RED]

Yeah, you really do make a thread every day or so.

Good initiative though.

Please Keep on topic, thank you

[Electro-Bolt]

Just change your strategy if you keep on getting killed by grenade launchers.

And I agree. These threads are becoming rather annoying...

[Zoobi]

Ive just tested out your theory, And Id like to respectfully point a few things out

It actually takes 2 body shots and a plasmid hit or a third shot to kill someone with the EG(unless you have research bonus or damage upgrade). So the grenade launcher is actually better in that regard, although the EG has a higher rate of fire, a shorter clip and roughly the same reload time.
But we must remember that a single Elephant Gun Headshot is an instant kill

I tested to see how large the splash radius on the velocity upgrade was. It was roughly 2-5 feet. I more or less tested this to see how effective it was for when you do miss, now if you're in a big open area(from my experience, people love to hug walls in this game) then the splash radius is fine for missing(with the velocity upgrade) however tight areas still let you do a pretty decent amount of splash damage granted your opponents are moving together.Agreed, Ive noticed because since most people "backpedal" when getting damaged missing in a small room could be quite beneficial to the "misser"

(Answers in bold)

Zoobi, would this be a "fair grenade launcher"
Each Grenade is on a 3 second timer (that comes into effect once the grenade hits a non organic object). If the person hit someone directly with the grenade then it instantly explodes. If the person misses then the grenade will explode after it's 3 second timer expires.

That would be perfectly fine in my opinion. Leaves the player a little leeway if they miss, and gives the person on the opposite end a chance to dodge damage altogether.

It might be easier just to reduce the splash radius on the vanilla grenade launcher to what the velocity grenade launchers splash is, or even slightly more(1-2 feet).

[Platinum]

Although I've mentioned this in a few of these threads:

I'm extreme one way or the other, but splash is biggest issue in my opinion.

Though I have come to realize just how potent nades really are.
And just to sum it up, here is what the GL does:
-One shot does at least 50% of health (splash roughly 33%)
-Makes fire in blast radius
-Has a huge blast radius
-Shakes the screen cause aim to be off
-Clouds vision making accuracy even further off

Doesn't that seem like a tad much for one weapon?

[SPINEBLOOD]

use the telekinesis :D

[Fenring]

My complaint is that I will only ever get assist kills with the GL. It is cursed. I hate it. I manage to 'miss' almost as much as with the shotgun.

I can hit better with the crossbow. Something about 'easy to hit with weapons' that causes wires to get crossed in my head.

Watch out, walls.

[Houdini Splicer]

My complaint is that I will only ever get assist kills with the GL. It is cursed. I hate it. I manage to 'miss' almost as much as with the shotgun.

I can hit better with the crossbow. Something about 'easy to hit with weapons' that causes wires to get crossed in my head.

Watch out, walls.

That's not really a GL curse, more than an inconvenience in general. You can use any weapon in multiplayer and have another come along and finish them off for you.

It can be annoying in a truly epic, battle of the wills fight, but to be honest we've all done it without thinking about it

[Zoobi]

My complaint is that I will only ever get assist kills with the GL. It is cursed. I hate it. I manage to 'miss' almost as much as with the shotgun.

I can hit better with the crossbow. Something about 'easy to hit with weapons' that causes wires to get crossed in my head.

Watch out, walls.

That's what the GL should be used for. To soften up the opposing team for your people with more precise guns to finish off. Not some killing machine weapon that's easy to use and and thus everyone and their grandmother uses it.

[STOP@RED]

Hey What do you think the GL's third weapon attachment will be in the DLC? Im thinking molotov ****tails.

[xXDrillToUrFace]

Hey What do you think the GL's third weapon attachment will be in the DLC? Im thinking molotov ****tails.I believe it the motion sensor bomb that the big daddy Rosie uses according to dstin.

[STOP@RED]

Proximity mines? Holy Crap that would be sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

[Fenring]

I was more leaning towards just how bad I was with the GL :p

Proximity mines - even though it would make me adept with the GL - would be abused, and they would take away some of the big daddy novelty. I would not like having that added.

[xXDrillToUrFace]

Proximity mines? Holy Crap that would be sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet yeah it would be for you XD but you never know it could be something else maybe they will give it the ability to shoot potatoes instead of grenades who knows.

[STOP@RED]

yeah it would be for you XD but you never know it could be something else maybe they will give it the ability to shoot potatoes instead of grenades who knows.

How about peanuts?

But back on topic,

I think it will be some sort of element based grenade that is either fire, ice, or lighnting

[xXDrillToUrFace]

I can picture fire but Ice and lighting i don't know get hit by grenade then frozen or electrocuted that would be cheap my guess if that the case it would be fire.

[Platinum]

How about peanuts?

But back on topic,

I think it will be some sort of element based grenade that is either fire, ice, or lighnting

It's already fire based.

If they intend to follow trend, I agree that prox mines make sense. But also agree that it would take away from the big daddy.
Maybe they'll do something like larger clip or faster reload.

[STOP@RED]

I can picture fire but Ice and lighting i don't know get hit by grenade then frozen or electrocuted that would be cheap my guess if that the case it would be fire.

I would like to see smoke grenades,
You know to help get some cover in team based modes

[xXDrillToUrFace]

It's already fire based.

If they intend to follow trend, I agree that prox mines make sense. But also agree that it would take away from the big daddy.
Maybe they'll do something like larger clip or faster reload. Actually i heard it take 2 proximity minds to kill someone instead of 1 like a big daddy but they have to be direct to do so or else 3.

[Fenring]

Or for a large monkey wrench prox mines that hurt you and your team as well!

tee hee.

[Mechaflash]

I'd like to see less of these threads buddy. We get it, you like the GL and hate how everyone considers it skilless. STOP POSTING ABOUT IT!

[Zoobi]

If they add proximity mines they better damn well make sure that you can't stack them.

[STOP@RED]

I'd like to see less of these threads buddy. We get it, you like the GL and hate how everyone considers it skilless. STOP POSTING ABOUT IT!

Please stay on topic!

[RebelArcticFox]

If they add proximity mines they better damn well make sure that you can't stack them.

I hate to be the first person to grab the little sister if they added mines.

[STOP@RED]

If they add proximity mines they better damn well make sure that you can't stack them.

It would probably be like, You can have one in one area but if you put another one there, then the first one explodes

[Fenring]

There'd still be a foolish amount of lined hallways. I'd get tired of popping a mine, looking over my shoulder, popping a mine, looking over my shoulder...

I myself wouldn't leave the vending machines alone, I love doing that as the big daddy to them when they are red XD

[STOP@RED]

There'd still be a foolish amount of lined hallways. I'd get tired of popping a mine, looking over my shoulder, popping a mine, looking over my shoulder...

I myself wouldn't leave the vending machines alone, I love doing that as the big daddy to them when they are red XD

Oh Vending machines would be killer. I mean I still sometimes get "Vend killed" on accident

[Mechaflash]

Please stay on topic!

Don't you sass me you little prick.

[STOP@RED]

Don't you sass me you little prick.

Not trying to, just stay on topic.

[dggoodall]

Not trying to, just stay on topic.

yeah dont sass him he speaks the truth

[STOP@RED]

yeah dont sass him he speaks the truth

Why do you post if your NOT adding anything substantial to the topic? :rolleyes:

[dggoodall]

Why do you post if your NOT adding anything substantial to the topic? :rolleyes:

dont get mad at me becouse everyone agrees with me

[STOP@RED]

dont get mad at me becouse everyone agrees with me
I'm not mad. Do what you like. I mean more posts for the thread makes it more popular. :p

[Zoobi]

dont get mad at me becouse everyone agrees with me

Not everyone, although I have the opposite viewpoint of the GL with STOP@RED, I think he's a rational person and has come to realize that there might just be something wrong with it. Civil discussion is never a bad thing.

[dggoodall]

your lame if thats all you care about loser

[Zoobi]

your lame if thats all you care about loser

Ha, the little kids these days.

[dggoodall]

i mean who are we these days if all we care about is how popular are thread is

[STOP@RED]

Ok since it seems we have a troll on the thread, the best thing would be to ignore him. Ok back on topic.

Zoobi,

How much do you think the splash radius should be decreased by? I mean I mentioned a timer idea earlier in the thread but I dont think 2k would dramatically change it that much. Id say that to make it fairer " Id say about a 40% decrease

[Fenring]

your lame if thats all you care about loser

It's lame for people to have different mindsets?

oh laws, what to say what to say.


As mentioned, civil discussion is grand. Clones are not.

[dggoodall]

Ha, the little kids these days.

you know im just making a point all this guy cares about is if he is heard hes craving for any one to listen and im not a kid why dont you get a life

[dggoodall]

It's lame for people to have different mindsets?

oh laws, what to say what to say.


As mentioned, civil discussion is grand. Clones are not.

yes but its not cool to spam the site with the same topic over and over agian just to be popular

[Zoobi]

Ok since it seems we have a troll on the thread, the best thing would be to ignore him. Ok back on topic.

Zoobi,

How much do you think the splash radius should be decreased by? I mean I mentioned a timer idea earlier in the thread but I dont think 2k would dramatically change it that much. Id say that to make it fairer " Id say about a 40% decrease

We would need some concrete numbers from 2K on exactly how large the splash radius is. Somewhere in the 40-50% region would be best in my opinion.

And yeah the timer idea, I didn't want to flat out throw out the window, but it seems like a little more effort to recode the way the GL worked than it is to tweak some numbers on the splash radius.

[STOP@RED]

yes but its not cool to spam the site with the same topic over and over agian just to be popular

Why do you think I'm trying to be "popular".
What would being "popular" on a forum amount to anything in my life?

And Zoobi,

Yeah I just played a game with the GL and noticied that the splash is about 2 Splicers Wide.
Reduce it 50% and it's only about one splicer wide

[dggoodall]

Why do you think I'm trying to be "popular".
What would being "popular" on a forum amount to anything in my life?

the fact that you care if your thread is popular.. i dont know maybe becouse you lame.. i could give you some since of importants that mabey you an important person who cares

[STOP@RED]

the fact that you care if your thread is popular.. i dont know maybe becouse you lame

Ever heard of sarcasm kid?

[Fenring]

I'd prefer it be scaled lower. I get the blast radius, but for play purpose it should do less damage at the 70-100% radius range and whatnot.

if at the farther reaches it only did around 10% damage scaling up as it got closer I'd be happier.

[dggoodall]

Ever heard of sarcasm kid?
ever heard of trying to hard kid

[STOP@RED]

I'd prefer it be scaled lower. I get the blast radius, but for play purpose it should do less damage at the 70-100% radius range and whatnot.

if at the farther reaches it only did around 10% damage scaling up as it got closer I'd be happier.

I think its already built like that but it goes

25% extreme outiside
50% semi outside
75%Close to middle
100% body shot
200% headshot

this is where the problem is, A revised one could be


10% extreme outiside
30% semi outside
75%Close to middle
100% body shot
200% headshot

[STOP@RED]

ever heard of trying to hard kid

Look dggoodall its obvious all you want to do is troll this thread, Please leave and just let other members have meaningful discussions.

[Zoobi]

I think its already built like that but it goes

25% extreme outiside
50% semi outside
75%Close to middle
100% body shot
200% headshot

Eh I'm pretty sure it does full splash damage regardless of how far away you are from the "epicenter". I could easily be wrong though.

[Fenring]

Lower those numbers is what I was getting at. I know it doesn't do full damage landing near you, but that I would prefer them lessened to some degree.

If I can take a few pistol rounds to the face I'd like to be able to take more shrapnel in my ass XD

*no idea what the numbers would be, but I know it still hurts a ton when I'm away from it.

Yep, like you did with the edit, hehe

[STOP@RED]

Lower those numbers is what I was getting at. I know it doesn't do full damage landing near you, but that I would prefer them lessened to some degree.

If I can take a few pistol rounds to the face I'd like to be able to take more shrapnel in my ass XD

*no idea what the numbers would be, but I know it still hurts a ton when I'm away from it.

One a side note* I met this guy on LIVE today who had James Bond Skills with a pistol. I mean he went 20 and I think 4 using a pistol with damage upgrade

[dggoodall]

Look dggoodall its obvious all you want to do is troll this thread, Please leave and just let other members have meaningful discussions.

i will but some advice and then im gone stop trying so hard to be heard if what your saying is truly interesting people would have responded to the first thred no need to keep repeating yourself till you get a response sorry if i offended you but i just get so tierd day in and day out the same tread hope you have a good day


dgg

[Zoobi]

One a side note* I met this guy on LIVE today who had James Bond Skills with a pistol. I mean he went 20 and I think 4 using a pistol with damage upgrade

I've done that a few times to show some low levels that the higher level guns with upgrades don't mean all that much when it comes to uhh...power levels. They were all screaming that the crossbow with ROF upgrade was overpowered.

[STOP@RED]

i will but some advice and then im gone stop trying so hard to be heard if what your saying is truly interesting people would have responded to the first thred no need to keep repeating yourself till you get a response sorry if i offended you but i just get so tierd day in and day out the same tread hope you have a good day


dgg

advice taken :o
thanks friend

[dggoodall]

advice taken :o
thanks friend

no prob sorry to be a pain

[STOP@RED]

I've done that a few times to show some low levels that the higher level guns with upgrades don't mean all that much when it comes to uhh...power levels. They were all screaming that the crossbow with ROF upgrade was overpowered.

Seriously?I think the ROF crossbow would be pretty neutral on a tier list of weapons

High Tier-
Nail Gun (All Upgrades)
Grenade Launcher (Homing)
Elephant Gun (Scope)


Mid Tier-
Grenade Launcher (No Upgrade/Velocity)
Crossbow (Rate of Fire)
Shotgun (Fast Reload)
Tommy Gun (Recoil control)
Pistol (auto fire)
Pistol (Damage)

Low Tier
Shotgun (Auto)
Tommy Gun (Ammo)
Elephant Gun (no upgrade/Damage)
Tommy Gun (no upgrade)
Crossbow (No upgrade/Damage)

[Zoobi]

Seriously?I think the ROF crossbow would be pretty neutral on a tier list of weapons

High Tier-
Nail Gun (All Upgrades)
Grenade Launcher (Homing) Low Tier IMO
Elephant Gun (Scope)


Mid Tier-
Grenade Launcher (No Upgrade/Velocity)High Tier IMO
Crossbow (Rate of Fire) High Tier IMO
Shotgun (Fast Reload) Think you mean Rate of Fire
Tommy Gun (Recoil control)
Pistol (auto fire)
Pistol (Damage)

Low Tier
Shotgun (Auto) Think you mean Auto Reload
Tommy Gun (Ammo)
Elephant Gun (no upgrade/Damage)
Tommy Gun (no upgrade)
Crossbow (No upgrade/Damage)

My opinions in bold. Also why I think homing grenade is low tier is because it is so incredibly easy to avoid since it's so slow. Maybe in a wide open map it is good, but other than that MEH. ROF Shotgun is actually pretty damn good when combined with Aero Dash in fact I might switch it and Aero Dash in instead of pistol and electrobolt since I like telekinesis for mid-long range stunning and shotty is better than pistol for when I'm out of crossbow bolts and can't reload.

[STOP@RED]

Ahh I did switch up the shotgun positions my bad,
I put no upgrade GL in High-Middle because it has the potenital of killing the user,
Its a very good weapon but the fact that it can potentially kill the user makes it not "High" but "Middle-High"

[Zoobi]

Ahh I did switch up the shotgun positions my bad,
I put no upgrade GL in High-Middle because it has the potenital of killing the user,
Its a very good weapon but the fact that it can potentially kill the user makes it not "High" but "Middle-High"

True, but wouldn't the situations where it could kill you also apply to homing missles? Unless of course you're just aiming it at your feet and trying to rocket jump like this is TF2.

[STOP@RED]

True, but wouldn't the situations where it could kill you also apply to homing missles? Unless of course you're just aiming it at your feet and trying to rocket jump like this is TF2.

Your right! but remember homing missles have a smaller splash radius. and usually they dont "accidental" kill.

[Zoobi]

Your right! but remember homing missles have a smaller splash radius. and usually they dont "accidental" kill.

Actually didn't know that homing missiles had a smaller splash radius, guess that shows how little I think of the homing missile upgrade. Still, my opinion of it is that it's so incredibly easy to avoid.

[Fenring]

It is, only really useful when the other options are better such as bombing from above where it takes them a moment to notice where it's from XD

I see Lucy o.o

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but if someone gets a kill with the GL and then off's themselves they still get the points for their team but nothing really happens for the suicide?

[xXDrillToUrFace]

I think what you use with a shotgun is just preference either way it still take to shots to kill someone.

[Mr. Bubblez]

Hey Guys,

The Grenade Launcher, like any other weapons has it's pros and it's noobs.
Please understand, that there are people who abuse the mess out of this weapon and thus give it an extremely bad rep.

But what we all must realize is that the Grenade Launcher is not some "magical auto-win tool", despite it's power. I know alot of you out there probably run circles around GL Users and I applaud your skill. I just ask that you open your mind and not be prejudice against all Grenade Launcher users or think of them as "spamming noobs".

Thats all,
STOP@RED

Please Post all complaints, techniques, rants, discussion, suggestions,and spam about the Grenade Launcher here. No need to clutter up the forum anymore.
If you see a Grenade Launcher thread that is basically one of the aforementioned topics please redirect them here.

You really love the GL huh?

[Moxy]

I personly hate the weapon because i feel clunky and useless with it compared to my favorite guns like crossbow or shotgun. But even disliking the weapon i don't see any reason it should be nerfed. In few cases i feel unless your great with it your at huge loss against anyone who knows how it works. yea the splash damage how very anoying but it has to smack you 3 times and theres only 3 shots chances are you might dodge a blast and then ruin any chance he has at winning or kill him before 3 shots even land. I say it needs a looking at maybe faster reload or something. Like i keep reading people hate it because of the noobs spamming it like crazy but really pay attention to those idiots how often do they actuelly hit anything? I see grenades flying across map aimed at a target that clearly doesn't exist. Only hatred comes from fact you have to wait till they run out of ammo because you know you get pissed when they randomly smack you with even one shot when there clearly not aiming just praying someone walks in the way.

Also don't try and say they just spam and switch to another weapon or how plasmids make it over powered theres a million other things that piss me off in this game GL is at bottom of list.

On side note Nailgun is sitting at top of list wearing a golden crown and T-shirt that says I R Noob pwning leetzor. I love a gun that kills in 2 secs and can mow down 5 people at once without reloading. But even that crap has situations where its useless but i'm not changing my whole game plan to deal with 1 gun. Atleast not till everyone starts using it. I say atleast 1 out of 5 people on enemy team doesn't have it as main weapon with beas.

[drewdewd]

Thanks for making this thread again.:cool:

[Orbisidian]

I think people who thinks a weapon in MP, any weapon for that matter, is overpowered should use it themselves,

I hate the nailgun because I keep getting killed by it, but I don't run around crying about it, because if I want to I can use it myself, you get the GL at level 6 so come on, use it yourself.

And I don't care how many threads STOP@RED has made about this matter, its completely inferior to the number of threads that say the GL is a noob weapon and where everybody hates it.

STOP@RED if you play on PC and you want a friend who doesn't hate a GL user, my name on GFWL is Orbisidian Live.

Peace

[drewdewd]

This thread has been made before:cool:

[Psimon]

Originally Posted by Houdini Splicer
. It's just unfortunate that the vast majority ruin it for the minority (Which is usually the case right?)

Correct



Correct :o

I'll plead guilty as charged - I'm a noob on,umm, Day 2 of playing the MP. About 20th level.

I didn't think the GL overpowered until I got the heat seeking upgrade. I would have to agree that it's probably requires the least amount of skill to rack up some kills, and it's very adept at getting ninja kills.

That said, if it's in the game, it's in the game. It's 2K's issue to fix things and if necessary balance them out; for me, if it's available, I'll use it. I DO try to mix things up, go with different loadouts, I happen to like the Machine Gun and Rail Gun a lot, too. That's mostly because I want to get skilled on them, also.

I do take exception to that attitude. Oooooh Noooooes, X is ruining the game for all of us "legit" Y players!

If I'm in a game where it's clear I'm out-skilled and at the bottom of the finishes time and again, I'll pick up the GL. My advice, get over it. No one is "special" or has more rights than anyone else to use specific weapons or combos. If one or more are OP, then a thread like this is a way to address them, and hopefully 2K will fix 'em.

I don't want to "ruin anyone's game" or fun, but I'm there to have fun, also. Don't like noobs? Play private matches.

[Grampa Chompski]

Though it may be overpowered if you see someone first, any weapon would be. If someone doesn't see you and you get right next to them with the Machine Gun, thats an easy kill as well. But if someone sees you first, wheter you have the Grenade Luncher or not you'll probably die. And there's so many ways to counter the GL. There's no other weapon that Telekinesis can actually suck up the damage and throw it back at the enemy. Get over it, I say, just use Telekenisis and kill them with their own weapon.

[Psimon]

I was going to mention Telekinesis but got a bit off topic there :p . Have you used it successfully or seen anyone do so to counter the GL? I've tried but for the most part ended up eating grenades, heh. One of the big problems is if there's even a -hint- of lag it pretty much makes TKing grennies impossible.

[Grampa Chompski]

I was going to mention Telekinesis but got a bit off topic there :p . Have you used it successfully or seen anyone do so to counter the GL? I've tried but for the most part ended up eating grenades, heh. One of the big problems is if there's even a -hint- of lag it pretty much makes TKing grennies impossible.

Well its happened to me, and I've had numerous times off succes with it. Granted, its completely different timing with the Velocity Boost, but I can usually get regular grenades. Whenever I do get hit with my own grenades, I generally feel humiliated and use my Crossbow.

[STOP@RED]

Hey Guys,

Whats your take on an smokescreen like upgrade for the grenade Launcher?

[RebelArcticFox]

I could kinda see it working. Enemy players can't see though it but your teammates can. Have the outline of the opposing team in red and your team mates in white or blue.

[Fenring]

Hey Guys,

Whats your take on an smokescreen like upgrade for the grenade Launcher?

That would make for some interesting encounters, particularly in modes where you need to be a certain place.

As for the GL, I would support that upgrade. More of a mutual blindness thing though, cept you should be able to spot your fellow splicers.

[STOP@RED]

That would make for some interesting encounters, particularly in modes where you need to be a certain place.

As for the GL, I would support that upgrade. More of a mutual blindness thing though, cept you should be able to spot your fellow splicers.

Yes I like that perk too! Smoke grenades do damage if they make contact with an opponent and instead of a splash they quickly smoke the room and blind enemies.

[Houdini Splicer]

Hey Guys,

Whats your take on an smokescreen like upgrade for the grenade Launcher?

Nobody would use it unless they implemented a system that directly affects your ADAM score, and how they'd do that I don't know. People wouldn't use it in Civil War for their team mates benefit simply because they wouldn't get anything out of it.

In a Survival of the Fittest I could see it being used as a fleeing Nitro Splicer might, though the effect would be mute compared to the Houdini plasmid.

[Fenring]

I keep picturing a smoke filled turf node in the home for the poor map. That would be fun until it was a grenade haven :)

[STOP@RED]

Nobody would use it unless they implemented a system that directly affects your ADAM score, and how they'd do that I don't know. People wouldn't use it in Civil War for their team mates benefit simply because they wouldn't get anything out of it.

In a Survival of the Fittest I could see it being used as a fleeing Nitro Splicer might, though the effect would be mute compared to the Houdini plasmid.

How about instead of a smokescreen. a Poison Cloud?
Effectively seal off an area for awhile.

[discostu668]

Hey Guys,

The Grenade Launcher, like any other weapons has it's pros and it's noobs.
Please understand, that there are people who abuse the mess out of this weapon and thus give it an extremely bad rep.

But what we all must realize is that the Grenade Launcher is not some "magical auto-win tool", despite it's power. I know alot of you out there probably run circles around GL Users and I applaud your skill. I just ask that you open your mind and not be prejudice against all Grenade Launcher users or think of them as "spamming noobs".

Thats all,
STOP@RED

Please Post all complaints, techniques, rants, discussion, suggestions,and spam about the Grenade Launcher here. No need to clutter up the forum anymore.
If you see a Grenade Launcher thread that is basically one of the aforementioned topics please redirect them here.

but you are just spamming n00bs. especially those who use the homing upgrade. rage every single time i hear that GD beeping sound.

[discostu668]

Hey Guys,

Whats your take on an smokescreen like upgrade for the grenade Launcher?

god no, then every idiot on the planet would be spamming that garbage.

[STOP@RED]

but you are just spamming n00bs. especially those who use the homing upgrade. rage every single time i hear that GD beeping sound.

Look, You have plenty of counters. And I think that going 30 - 0 with a grenade launcher takes quite a bit of skill.

[STOP@RED]

god no, then every idiot on the planet would be spamming that garbage.
Why? IT would have no splash :P just harmless smoke

[Fenring]

I don't believe it would be spammed as long as it weren't unfair. It WOULD require not carrying explosive grenades.

Not like the air in Rapture is not full of shrapnel and nails anyway.

As for poison, no.

[discostu668]

Look, You have plenty of counters. And I think that going 30 - 0 with a grenade launcher takes quite a bit of skill.

lol try going 30 - 0 with a different weapon.

[discostu668]

Why? IT would have no splash :P just harmless smoke

the entire map would be filled with smoke. no thanks.

[STOP@RED]

the entire map would be filled with smoke. no thanks.

But it would cause no damage :P most People wouldnt use it because it has no splash. just smoke

[STOP@RED]

lol try going 30 - 0 with a different weapon.

Ive gone 26 and 5 with a pistol before.

[The ADAM Reaper]

I had 31 - 0 on a match once where people were just 'boosting' there level lol. Had backstabber on so i snuck up from behind, quick double melee kill, and when they came back did so again. Also had all the time with the little sister lol.

My best on an actual competitive match was like 23 - 0

[STOP@RED]

I had 31 - 0 on a match once where people were just 'boosting' there level lol. Had backstabber on so i snuck up from behind, quick double melee kill, and when they came back did so again. Also had all the time with the little sister lol.

My best on an actual competitive match was like 23 - 0

did you use The almighty Grenade Lawn Chair!

[The ADAM Reaper]

did you use The almighty Grenade Lawn Chair!

Maybe :rolleyes:

[STOP@RED]

Maybe :rolleyes:

:D IM SO PROUD OF YOU!!!!! lol
WERE GOING OUT TO DINNER TO CELEBRATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[munkeybanana]

did you use The almighty Grenade Lawn Chair!

Rawcket lawn chair

[STOP@RED]

Rawcket lawn chair

Rock IT Lawn Chair!

[The ADAM Reaper]

no, no, no its the:

ALMIGHTY RAWKIT LUNCH ER OF DOOOOOOM *in a big thunderous voice*


...hehe :p

[STOP@RED]

no, no, no its the:

ALMIGHTY RAWKIT LUNCH ER OF DOOOOOOM *in a big thunderous voice*


...hehe :p

RAWK THE BOAT DONT TIP THE BOAT OVER

[The-Canadian]

Once I discovered the crossbow I have had no problems with GL people, even homing rocket nubs. I understand that it takes skill to use the GL by itself and if that is what you like to use great. If you like running around with a nailgun fully revved, thats fine by me. I have my counters and it feels great to murder people who are simple one-trick-ponies. :D

(not necessarily aiming this to you STOP@RED)

[STOP@RED]

Once I discovered the crossbow I have had no problems with GL people, even homing rocket nubs. I understand that it takes skill to use the GL by itself and if that is what you like to use great. If you like running around with a nailgun fully revved, thats fine by me. I have my counters and it feels great to murder people who are simple one-trick-ponies. :D

(not necessarily aiming this to you STOP@RED)

No offense taken, But I will ocasionally switch to my crossbow if Ol' Reliable is too dangerous to use in a certain situation (such as around oil traps)

[STOP@RED]

Ok lets get start a topic again,

How do you guys feel about Grenade Launching turrets?

[B3Chandler]

I like it when people use the Grenade Launcher.Just makes it easier to kill them with Telekinesis. Grenade Launching Turrets are also great for giving away free ammo.

[STOP@RED]

I like it when people use the Grenade Launcher.Just makes it easier to kill them with Telekinesis. Grenade Launching Turrets are also great for giving away free ammo.

except in laggggg

[Houdini Splicer]

Ok lets get start a topic again,

How do you guys feel about Grenade Launching turrets?

I like them where they're working for me... Otherwise...

Well for a steam powered, poorly made grenade spewing machine they are pinpoint accurate and hate you with a passion.

Theres been a few times I've emerged victorious from an Epic battle only to find a grenade turret headshotting me from half a mile away, through a tiny crack... In the dark... and it was almost broken.

[STOP@RED]

I like them where they're working for me... Otherwise...

Well for a steam powered, poorly made grenade spewing machine they are pinpoint accurate and hate you with a passion.

Theres been a few times I've emerged victorious from an Epic battle only to find a grenade turret headshotting me from half a mile away, through a tiny crack... In the dark... and it was almost broken.

sounds like a "Aint no rest for the wicked" kind of thing haha :D

[Houdini Splicer]

sounds like a "Aint no rest for the wicked" kind of thing haha :D

That pretty much sums it up. :D

[STOP@RED]

Well I officially just achieved my greatest kill ever.

The Guy Leg Up jumped and I shot him directly in the air and he smashed down to the ground like a meteor! :D DAMN I WISH I GOT IT ON CAMERA :mad:

[WolfsBane VII]

It's not that overpowered, I use it as a secondary weapon alongside the elephant gun.. so one hit with the elephant gun and a shot from the GL and you got yourself a dead splicer!

I use it mostly for atacking people who hide behind corners.

But say you were using it in a direct firefight you would or should lose hands down to anyone good out there.. it's like 2 direct hits and you die.. or 3-4 non-direct hits. It's more like an area of effect long range weapon.. if you're getting killed by it then you're getting baited in by your opponent and doing exactly what they want you to do.

It's hardly noob tubing : )

[Oberael]

I'd probably agree with you on that one, Wolfsbane. It's pretty difficult to use that weapon in an unfortified area or outwith a sort of "testudo" formation. Don't get all this nonsense about it being a noob weapon.

[SmushingGnomes]

Not noob tubing. Ha. Compare it to the other weapons (with the possible exception of the nailgun) in terms of ease of use. Which ones require actual precise aiming instead of just "point in general direction".

And don't give me that "it's hard to use in close quarters" because I've used it and have had it used on me on close quarters plenty of times. It's not that overpowered but annoyingly allows anyone to just spam and get kills. Try that with any other weapon and you'd get squat (again maybe with the exception of the nailgun). One does not just shoot a crossbow in the general direction of a target and get kills.

It's simply not balanced within the game in terms of how easy it is to use. If you think it's balanced with the likes of a crossbow or elephant gun, you're in serious denial.

[Useaname]

Not noob tubing. Ha. Compare it to the other weapons (with the possible exception of the nailgun) in terms of ease of use. Which ones require actual precise aiming instead of just "point in general direction".

And don't give me that "it's hard to use in close quarters" because I've used it and have had it used on me on close quarters plenty of times. It's not that overpowered but annoyingly allows anyone to just spam and get kills. Try that with any other weapon and you'd get squat (again maybe with the exception of the nailgun). One does not just shoot a crossbow in the general direction of a target and get kills.

It's simply not balanced within the game in terms of how easy it is to use. If you think it's balanced with the likes of a crossbow or elephant gun, you're in serious denial.

It is balanced with the crossbow and elephant gun... Electro bolt and crossbow ROF upgrade absoulutley owns, and the elephant gun is a one shot headshot and 2 shot kill (with damage upgrade), compared to 3 grenade laucher shots.

I'm not saying they're easier to use, just that a skilled player with a crossbow or elephant gun would anihillate a GL (Mr or Mrs Average) user any day.

[STOP@RED]

Not noob tubing. Ha. Compare it to the other weapons (with the possible exception of the nailgun) in terms of ease of use. Which ones require actual precise aiming instead of just "point in general direction".

And don't give me that "it's hard to use in close quarters" because I've used it and have had it used on me on close quarters plenty of times. It's not that overpowered but annoyingly allows anyone to just spam and get kills. Try that with any other weapon and you'd get squat (again maybe with the exception of the nailgun). One does not just shoot a crossbow in the general direction of a target and get kills.

It's simply not balanced within the game in terms of how easy it is to use. If you think it's balanced with the likes of a crossbow or elephant gun, you're in serious denial.

Lets name some other "cheap" tactics

- Electro bolt + Headhunter + Crossbow ROF = almost instant death
Elephant Gun + Electrobolt + Headshot = 1 hit KO
Nail Gun + Insect Swarm = spray blind opponents
Anything + Incinerate
Shotgun + Anything = 2 hit kill

[MalcolmK]

Lets name some other "cheap" tactics

- Electro bolt + Headhunter + Crossbow ROF = almost instant death
Elephant Gun + Electrobolt + Headshot = 1 hit KO
Nail Gun + Insect Swarm = spray blind opponents
Anything + Incinerate
Shotgun + Anything = 2 hit kill

Wow. You actually have to aim with these weapons. God forbid if someone has good aim, u might die. Get over it, stop defending the GL. It's like a broken record man. Every damn thread I see ur name in has some "GL" b.s. In it. Not tryin to be a dick but its gettin tired.

[STOP@RED]

Wow. You actually have to aim with these weapons. God forbid if someone has good aim, u might die. Get over it, stop defending the GL. It's like a broken record man. Every damn thread I see ur name in has some "GL" b.s. In it. Not tryin to be a dick but its gettin tired.

Wow its SO HARD to hit a blind/stunned/weakened target with these weapons :P. God would look down upon someone cant get a kill while an opponent is weakened,blinded, or stunned . Get over yourself, stop trying to defend weapons that can be just as cheap the GL. Stop critiquing the GL, it's not an "auto win tool" man. Why does every damn person think this! Everytime one of you "GL complainers" come around its all the same "DAT SO CHEAP MAN! BUT LET ME RUN AROUND WITH ME 2 SHOT WEAPON WHICH IS SO LEGIT!!" b.s. I'm not trying to be an ass but I'm just getting tired

[Useaname]

Agree with Red, each weapon has its situations where it will dominate. Put shotgun user and GL user in close quarter combat, and Shotgunner will own the GL. In another situation where the GL user is on the top floor of home of the poor shooting down on a shotgun user, he will dominate.

The fact is it tends not to be the weapon that dominates, just the positioning and tactics, which i'll admit are a bit easier for the GL user (be a bit far back and shoot). In retrospect the SGer could just use houdini/flank them/stun em get up close and kill them in two (quicker) shots.

So the way in which the GL is "so" superior, is not because it is overpowered, but because it is easier to get yourself in a position where it dominates, than say the shotgun where you have to be up close and personal, all the time. Every weapon has its own situation e.g. Nail gun (coming up behind them/when they can't see you), and the skill of the player is determined not by which gun he uses, but how uses superior positioning and tactics, to put himself in a posistion where he can "outclass" his opponent.

[MalcolmK]

Wow its SO HARD to hit a blind/stunned/weakened target with these weapons :P. God would look down upon someone cant get a kill while an opponent is weakened,blinded, or stunned . Get over yourself, stop trying to defend weapons that can be just as cheap the GL. Stop critiquing the GL, it's not an "auto win tool" man. Why does every damn person think this! Everytime one of you "GL complainers" come around its all the same "DAT SO CHEAP MAN! BUT LET ME RUN AROUND WITH ME 2 SHOT WEAPON WHICH IS SO LEGIT!!" b.s. I'm not trying to be an ass but I'm just getting tired

Better get ur facts straight, please find my posts where I complained about the GL and defended other weapons. WTF get over myself? hahahahahahah ur a joke. Ur obsessed with a weapon from a VIDEO GAME and it's so damn annoying to see ur pointless posts. U should prob read ur replies too before u post, you sound like a complete douche bag loser, especially when u target the wrong person.

[Useaname]

Better get ur facts straight, please find my posts where I complained about the GL and defended other weapons. WTF get over myself? hahahahahahah ur a joke. Ur obsessed with a weapon from a VIDEO GAME and it's so damn annoying to see ur pointless posts. U should prob read ur replies too before u post, you sound like a complete douche bag loser, especially when u target the wrong person.

He might be targeting the wrong person (i don't know), but he does have reason to be a bit irritated (more than a bit, a helluva lot), because he has been pretty much single handedley defended the GL across multiple threads and arguments, while maintaining good humour, good reason, and good arguments, since the game came out. So kudos to him, i personally would just flip and start a "everyone use grenade launchers thread" lol.

[PanKwik]

So first of all sorry for my english i know it sucks, but i hope you will get what I mean.
Now back on topic, I will put it as simple as that: GL is cheap and nooby weapon and I have no idea how can you argue about that. You can simply spam it and bunnyhop to kill almost everyone in almost every situation. GL has so many adventages and almost no diadventeges compered to other weapons that it really aint funny. And trust me, Ive played long enough to say so...

[Zoobi]

Man, I leave this thread for a few days and STOP@RED is back to defending anything and everything about the GL. I thought we'd come to the understanding that the GL needs to be changed, but I guess you sunk back into your old ways. Oh well, seems I'm wasting my time.

Edit: And hope to god Digital Extremes can see the imbalance in the GL and fix it accordingly.

[Useaname]

First off your English is great.

Please read my last post on the previous page to see what my opinion on the matter is (i can't be bothered reposting the same stuff like Red has to do (probably why he opened this thread)).

[SmushingGnomes]

It is balanced with the crossbow and elephant gun... Electro bolt and crossbow ROF upgrade absoulutley owns, and the elephant gun is a one shot headshot and 2 shot kill (with damage upgrade), compared to 3 grenade laucher shots.

I'm not saying they're easier to use, just that a skilled player with a crossbow or elephant gun would anihillate a GL (Mr or Mrs Average) user any day.

The GL is only balanced because with anything there is a diminishing returns effect. In other words, there's a cap to how far one can go with that weapon. The crossbow and elephant gun have higher potential in the hands of a skilled player but they are harder to use because they actually require you to aim.

BUT that doesn't mean that the GL's ease of use balances out with the other weapons. It gives too much leeway to non skilled players and the reason for that is the huge splash radius.

And to STOP RED, it's completely ridiculous to call a headshot "cheap". Because headshots are the easiest shot to get right? And using stuns/blinds as an example of how other weapons are overpowered? What? Last I saw, you can also stun/blind/freeze someone AND use GL on them.

[Useaname]

The GL is only balanced because with anything there is a diminishing returns effect. In other words, there's a cap to how far one can go with that weapon. The crossbow and elephant gun have higher potential in the hands of a skilled player but they are harder to use because they actually require you to aim.

BUT that doesn't mean that the GL's ease of use balances out with the other weapons. It gives too much leeway to non skilled players and the reason for that is the huge splash radius.

And to STOP RED, it's completely ridiculous to call a headshot "cheap". Because headshots are the easiest shot to get right? And using stuns/blinds as an example of how other weapons are overpowered? What? Last I saw, you can also stun/blind/freeze someone AND use GL on them.

Yes on diminishing returns, but i have seen some pretty s*** GL users before. Also if you practice enough with the Elly/Electro combo, i think that becomes a pretty cheap move. I remember reading that some guy played winterized (#1 on xbox) and could only kill him when he missed his elly headshot, which was not often i gathered.

One tatic that p***** me off at the moment is a shotgun user waiting in a corridor/room with a charged incinerate, they burn you then hit you as much as they can, that way even if they die they still kill you, before you can get rid of the flames.

[Platinum]

Also, quick note.

I noticed today in several civil war match against many GL users, it took one body shot and one splash shot to kill me. I am quite sure of this because it was tested on me... extensively.

[SmushingGnomes]

Yes on diminishing returns, but i have seen some pretty s*** GL users before. Also if you practice enough with the Elly/Electro combo, i think that becomes a pretty cheap move. I remember reading that some guy played winterized (#1 on xbox) and could only kill him when he missed his elly headshot, which was not often i gathered.

One tatic that p***** me off at the moment is a shotgun user waiting in a corridor/room with a charged incinerate, they burn you then hit you as much as they can, that way even if they die they still kill you, before you can get rid of the flames.

I don't see how the fact that there are ****ty GL users makes an argument for either side. There will always be bad players no matter what tools you give them. So far in all these arguments, no one has disputed the fact that GL takes far less aiming than any of the other weapons because of the big splash radius.

As for incinerate, I think a charged incinerate lasts far too long. I tested it on a friend on a private match and the damn thing almost killed him from full health. But I can't say that I've died too many times to a fully charged burn.

[PrivateJoker]

Velocity is better than Homing. Homing weakens the grenade. Velocity is essentially a non heat seeking rocket that does more damage than the Homing grenade (which is pretty much a rocket launcher). Using Velocity Grenade with Fire is a great way to clear a room, though you can kill yourself int he process and damage team mates with fire.

[MalcolmK]

Man, I leave this thread for a few days and STOP@RED is back to defending anything and everything about the GL. I thought we'd come to the understanding that the GL needs to be changed, but I guess you sunk back into your old ways. Oh well, seems I'm wasting my time.

Edit: And hope to god Digital Extremes can see the imbalance in the GL and fix it accordingly.

Isn't that dude absurd? Ha. Wait it's not even funny anymore

[STOP@RED]

Look Guys, Dont hate on the GL. My main class consists of Houdini and either a velocity (for open maps) or non upgraded GL and thats it. If I kill you then that means even WITH your automatic firing weapons AND your plasmids, I outmaneuvered you, dodged enough bullets and sent you packing.

The GL is a very tactical weapon in the hands of the right person. As with any weapon.

[STOP@RED]

So first of all sorry for my english i know it sucks, but i hope you will get what I mean.
Now back on topic, I will put it as simple as that: GL is cheap and nooby weapon and I have no idea how can you argue about that. You can simply spam it and bunnyhop to kill almost everyone in almost every situation. GL has so many adventages and almost no diadventeges compered to other weapons that it really aint funny. And trust me, Ive played long enough to say so...

GL Disadvantages

-Splash Damage hurts user in close situations
-Slow Reload and Firing Rate
-Small Magazine size
-Projectiles can be caught
-Ignites other explosives
"Bunnyhopping" causes the grenade arc to lift higher

[STOP@RED]

Also, quick note.

I noticed today in several civil war match against many GL users, it took one body shot and one splash shot to kill me. I am quite sure of this because it was tested on me... extensively.

This is lag based

It takes

up to 4 splash shots (depending on how far away the explosion is from the target)
2 body shots
1 headshot with headhunter + Damage Research

[Platinum]

This is lag based

It takes

up to 4 splash shots (depending on how far away the explosion is from the target)
2 body shots
1 headshot with headhunter + Damage Research

Respectfully disagree.

EDIT:
By the way, you made this to be the end all GL threads. You even invited people to post their complaints. However, when they do, you attack them. I know you say you are defending the GL, but it reads more like you are on the offense.

The pattern I've noticed you take with posts that hate the GL is:
-Tell the person is full of himself
-Suggest other weapons/plasmids/combos are just as cheap or more so
-Restate some GL info that I find some of it not to be completely true
-Retort to complainers content
-Finish with the 'I'm not the upset one, you are' attitude which makes people who are not upset, upset

I'm not trying to attack you, but it seems like you've been inviting attacks since the start.

[STOP@RED]

Respectfully disagree.

EDIT:
By the way, you made this to be the end all GL threads. You even invited people to post their complaints. However, when they do, you attack them. I know you say you are defending the GL, but it reads more like you are on the offense.

The pattern I've noticed you take with posts that hate the GL is:
-Tell the person is full of himself
-Suggest other weapons/plasmids/combos are just as cheap or more so
-Retort to complainers content
-Finish with the 'I'm not the upset one, you are' attitude which makes people who are not upset, upset

I'm not trying to attack you, but it seems like you've been inviting attacks since the start.

Believe what you want Platinum, But note Its me vs 10000000000000000 other people. I mean if people are gonna trash the weapon then Im going to defend it. Ive opened a few eyes on this forum and thats all that matters. I wouldnt be so "aggressive" if people posted "constructive criticism" instead of "I HATE TEH GL OMG ITS 4 NOOBS, STOP@RED U R A NUB 4 USING IT HAHA I DLIKE UR OTHR THREDS *******!!!!

[STOP@RED]

Respectfully disagree.


Platinum I have tested this out, just now in a private nonlag match. it takes

up to 4 splash shots
2 bodyshots
or 1 headhunter tonic + damage research + Headshot

[Zoobi]

Except I posted constructive feedback with my own tests and you seem to have resorted back to your own ways regardless. You seemed to actually come to accept that something needed to be done to the GL the other day. Now it seems you're back in "Hyper-aggressive, you're a noob if you don't like the GL" way of thinking.

[STOP@RED]

Except I posted constructive feedback with my own tests and you seem to have resorted back to your own ways regardless. You seemed to actually come to accept that something needed to be done to the GL the other day. Now it seems you're back in "Hyper-aggressive, you're a noob if you don't like the GL" way of thinking.

No I still agree it needs to be fixed a little bit, but this MalcolmK kid pissed me off somewhat. And I retaliated in an aggressive demeanor. Come on guys give me a break, It gets tiring standing up for something sometimes and occasionally I lose it.

[Mr Goosell]

To your above post the GL splash damage does hurt the user in close situations but if they are killed the other team doesn't get a kill. It's pretty annoying when you are fighting a whole team of GL users and you never get a close range kill

[STOP@RED]

To your above post the GL splash damage does hurt the user in close situations but if they are killed the other team doesn't get a kill. It's pretty annoying when you are fighting a whole team of GL users and you never get a close range kill

Why dont you use nail gun + electrobolt? It makes the GL's rate of fire extremely slow.

[Platinum]

Believe what you want Platinum, But note Its me vs 10000000000000000 other people. I mean if people are gonna trash the weapon then Im going to defend it. Ive opened a few eyes on this forum and thats all that matters. I wouldnt be so "aggressive" if people posted "constructive criticism" instead of "I HATE TEH GL OMG ITS 4 NOOBS, STOP@RED U R A NUB 4 USING IT HAHA I DLIKE UR OTHR THREDS *******!!!!

I'd be more sympathetic if you didn't purposely put yourself in front of the 10000000000000000 people. Others have opinions, and I understand you have yours. But there's isn't a need to push one's own opinions on anyone else.

[SmushingGnomes]

Why dont you use nail gun + electrobolt? It makes the GL's rate of fire extremely slow.

So you're suggesting that the game just be nail guns and grenade launchers? That's not even addressing the issue.

[STOP@RED]

So you're suggesting that the game just be nail guns and grenade launchers? That's not even addressing the issue.

I'm giving some advice, and I'm addressing his specific issue.

[STOP@RED]

Ok Guys,
Ive think we've ranted enough for awhile

Lets get back on a topic,

We were previously guessing what the Grenade Launcher DLC upgrade would be. Heres my guesses

Proximity Mine - Maybe, but I'm not sure it will be implemented because prox mines are supposed to be "big daddy" specialized.

Molotov Cocktails - I could see definitely see this being implemented, Molotov's would burst ignite enemies on a body shot. Probably a really small splash radius in order to keep it fair

http://www.keepschoolssafe.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/molotov_cocktail200.jpg

Poison Cloud - these grenades explode into enormous poison clouds that linger for awhile. Anyone standing in the cloud would slowly lose health. Grenade splash is replaced by this

Laser Trajectory - Maybe, Kind of like a scope for your grenade launcher, you can use it to see where the grenade will land. http://cdn1.gamepro.com/article_img/gamepro/85408-23-1.jpg similar to the gears of war style of grenade aiming

Damage resistance upgrade- There is a good chance this may be it, becoming immune to your own grenades would help out occasionally.

[Platinum]

/ignore us

[STOP@RED]

/ignore us

I'm not ignoring you, but I'm not going to let this turn into a flame thread. These posts are deteriorating into trolling. Time to reset and start again. If you want to, you could always try posting about the current topic. Give that a try.

[Mr Goosell]

I'm giving some advice, and I'm addressing his specific issue.
How is using the nail gun and EB going to help with me not getting a kill because some idiot GL user kills both of us with a grenade close range right when he is about to die

[STOP@RED]

How is using the nail gun and EB going to help with me not getting a kill because some idiot GL user kills both of us with a grenade close range right when he is about to die

Why werent you more specific in your last post :P. Im not a mind reader, I can only assume what you are talking about when you leave ambiguous posts and comments. Anyway, Why didnt you kill your opponent faster? If you delay then someone will sweep up your kill. Dont blame the GL user for being at the right place at the time :P

[SmushingGnomes]

Why werent you more specific in your last post :P. Im not a mind reader, I can only assume what you are talking about when you leave ambiguous posts and comments. Anyway, Why didnt you kill your opponent faster? If you delay then someone will sweep up your kill. Dont blame the GL user for being at the right place at the time :P

It's nonsense posts like these that make people not take you seriously.

[STOP@RED]

It's nonsense posts like these that make people not take you seriously.

How is this nonsense? Smushing you sound really ignorant if your try to blame the GL User for being at the right place at the right time. If Goosell killed his opponent faster then he would of not had to worry about the GL User coming by and "taking" his kill.

[laikalappie]

Ok Guys,
Ive think we've ranted enough for awhile

Lets get back on a topic,

We were previously guessing what the Grenade Launcher DLC upgrade would be. Heres my guesses

Proximity Mine - Maybe, but I'm not sure it will be implemented because prox mines are supposed to be "big daddy" specialized.

Molotov Cocktails - I could see definitely see this being implemented, Molotov's would burst ignite enemies on a body shot. Probably a really small splash radius in order to keep it fair

http://www.keepschoolssafe.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/molotov_cocktail200.jpg

Poison Cloud - these grenades explode into enormous poison clouds that linger for awhile. Anyone standing in the cloud would slowly lose health. Grenade splash is replaced by this

Laser Trajectory - Maybe, Kind of like a scope for your grenade launcher, you can use it to see where the grenade will land. http://cdn1.gamepro.com/article_img/gamepro/85408-23-1.jpg similar to the gears of war style of grenade aiming

Damage resistance upgrade- There is a good chance this may be it, becoming immune to your own grenades would help out occasionally.

Look at the artbook. I did. I'm expecting an upgrade that allows you to shoot multiple smaller grenades at once or a damage upgrade (ftl).

[Platinum]

I'm not ignoring you, but I'm not going to let this turn into a flame thread. These posts are deteriorating into trolling. Time to reset and start again. If you want to, you could always try posting about the current topic. Give that a try.

I haven't flamed once and I've never really taken one side or the other on the GL issue. I was discussing your posts and reactions about the GL, with you. However, I see you will not have it. That's fine though, I'll let you keep what you want to yourself and I'll go on with the topic.


Look at the artbook. I did. I'm expecting an upgrade that allows you to shoot multiple smaller grenades at once or a damage upgrade (ftl).

Hm, I didn't see this. What page of the art book was this?

[Blood]

If you actually think the GL is balanced then you must either be blind or stupid, the homing and projectile addons arn't the problem, however homing missiles (is there any other reason not to give noobs the chance for free blind kills?). Grenade launcher on its own is a joke, all any person needs to do is fire it in the direction of an enemy and will have 100% chance of doing some form of damage. Alot of weapons are effective with atleast using a plasmid, this gun is effective solo. It's an effective way to counteract many plasmids e.g houdini shoot/spam anywhere where someone may have gone invisible and will probably result in their death, bee swarm: being blinded won't be effect how the gl user will still shoot in the direction of the enmy and still kill them. Plus if anyone comes in melee/shotgun range theres still the ability to kill them, however also killing yourself (still getting a kill), and if another player drops you to low health and you kill yourself they only get an assist. If a player tries to run away someone with a regular weapon would not be able to kill them or if they ran round a corner, however a grenade launcher can kill a player behind corners etc. Many weapons have different ranges or are easier/harder to use in different ranges. A grenade launcher is good at all ranges. All other weapons you need some form of accuracy gl can kill players easily even if you never hit them.

Btw if you mean by "reset", creating another post on this subject, then are u really that stupid, noone wants to see another post about this...

A Man chooses, a slave picks the gl
Would you kindly not use the ****ing gl

Btw Stop@Red, the only thing i can tell from your posts humping the gl is that your **** at all other weapons = **** overall and blind

[PanKwik]

GL Disadvantages

-Splash Damage hurts user in close situations - only if he is stupid enought to use it in melee range, otherwise it doesnt dmg him much if ofcourse it does at all...

-Slow Reload and Firing Rate - total bs... Realoding neilgun, xbow and shootgun takes same time as GL if not longer. Elegun takes a while too. Same is for FR.

-Small Magazine size - but you need maximum of 3 hits to kill someone. And its only if you dont aim at all and just spam it... Then again there are weapons like xbow shootgun and elegun (3 out of 7 including GL), with simillar magazine.

-Projectiles can be caught - only if you use tele as main plasmid. Also catching them is not possible in all cases.

-Ignites other explosives - is it really disadvantage? I dont think so. It can be "neutral", but for sure not dis.

"Bunnyhopping" causes the grenade arc to lift higher - Again its not much of disadvantage just like above.

So to sum it up: you didnt convince me at all. Compared to other weapons GL has the least of disadvantages. Now do you want me to post all advantages of GL or over 16 pages are enought already?

[Psimon]

Yeah, your love for the GL is evident, and in your favor you do attempt adult, rational (or rationalized, rather) arguments for it. However, it's pretty obvious the GL is overpowered, and a new player favorite, given you really don't have to aim it much. (The GL+Homing, I mean)

That doesn't mean that I personally want to see it nerfed. It amuses me to no end to hear the complaints about it, particuarly from the Electro+EG crowd, the second most abused combo in the game. It's good to give new or unskilled players some fun, too :D

I have seen experienced players using it, and they're deadly with it . . . . far outpacing the one-shot one-kill Elephant Gun and Crossbow. Those that aren't shamed by the other players into using something else, that is.

[Mr Goosell]

How is this nonsense? Smushing you sound really ignorant if your try to blame the GL User for being at the right place at the right time. If Goosell killed his opponent faster then he would of not had to worry about the GL User coming by and "taking" his kill.

You don't understand what I'm saying dude..................................

let me explain so you will understand..........................

Me and you are fighting 1v1 close range, you are using the GL, I am using pistol. You are about dead and so am I, you shoot me close range with the GL and we both die. You get a kill but me or my team don't get a kill, because the game counts your death as a suicide.

Now times this by 5 people using the GL close range.

[SmushingGnomes]

Yeah, I'm not going to bother replying to STOP RED's posts, especially since he's now resorting to call me ignorant, which is ironic, considering he didn't even understand the other guy's post.


I have seen experienced players using it, and they're deadly with it . . . . far outpacing the one-shot one-kill Elephant Gun and Crossbow. Those that aren't shamed by the other players into using something else, that is.

Hmm, I think you can only get one shot kills with the crossbow if you get a headshot with the damage upgrade AND Headhunter. But as far as I can tell, most people go for the rapid fire upgrade instead because the damage upgrade is far too slow and still takes 3 shots to the body to kill someone.

I almost exclusively use the rapid fire crossbow and it takes two shots to the head AFTER freezing them to kill someone and 3 to 4 shots to the body. It's not as easy as a one-shot one-kill as you suggested.

[Zoobi]

I'm personally back to using the EG, only without electrobolt. I use tele to counter grenade launcher users(in the case of 1v1) and aero dash for aero+shotty combos if I'm out of EG ammo and can't reload because it would result in my death. Damage upgrade on EG btw, 2 body shots=death.

[SmushingGnomes]

For some reason I just can't use the EG properly but I'm awesome with the crossbow. Maybe because the reload of the EG after each shot messes up my timing or something. That's why I have respect for the EG users and laugh when people complain about getting headshotted by them.

[STOP@RED]

If you actually think the GL is balanced then you must either be blind or stupid, the homing and projectile addons arn't the problem, however homing missiles (is there any other reason not to give noobs the chance for free blind kills?). Grenade launcher on its own is a joke, all any person needs to do is fire it in the direction of an enemy and will have 100% chance of doing some form of damage. Alot of weapons are effective with atleast using a plasmid, this gun is effective solo. It's an effective way to counteract many plasmids e.g houdini shoot/spam anywhere where someone may have gone invisible and will probably result in their death, bee swarm: being blinded won't be effect how the gl user will still shoot in the direction of the enmy and still kill them. Plus if anyone comes in melee/shotgun range theres still the ability to kill them, however also killing yourself (still getting a kill), and if another player drops you to low health and you kill yourself they only get an assist. If a player tries to run away someone with a regular weapon would not be able to kill them or if they ran round a corner, however a grenade launcher can kill a player behind corners etc. Many weapons have different ranges or are easier/harder to use in different ranges. A grenade launcher is good at all ranges. All other weapons you need some form of accuracy gl can kill players easily even if you never hit them.

Btw if you mean by "reset", creating another post on this subject, then are u really that stupid, noone wants to see another post about this...

A Man chooses, a slave picks the gl
Would you kindly not use the ****ing gl

Btw Stop@Red, the only thing i can tell from your posts humping the gl is that your **** at all other weapons = **** overall and blind


Lets break this quote down, shall we.

If you actually think the GL is balanced then you must either be blind or stupid,
Starting with an insult, nice :rolleyes: .I dont think I am blind
(I would probably not be able to play bs2 if i was) and I think my high GPA proves that I'm not stupid.

the homing and projectile addons arn't the problem, however homing missiles (is there any other reason not to give noobs the chance for free blind kills?
I dont use homing grenades, never have, never will.

Grenade launcher on its own is a joke, all any person needs to do is fire it in the direction of an enemy and will have 100% chance of doing some form of damage. Alot of weapons are effective with atleast using a plasmid, this gun is effective solo.

Have I not agreed that the splash needs to be reduced? And what is wrong with being able to "solo" a gun?
Last time I recall there was no "rule" of BS2 multiplayer saying "you must always hit someone with a plasmid in order to kill them"



It's an effective way to counteract many plasmids e.g houdini shoot/spam anywhere where someone may have gone invisible and will probably result in their death, bee swarm: being blinded won't be effect how the gl user will still shoot in the direction of the enmy and still kill them.

This is a GOOD thing, The GL keeps Insect Swarm and Houdini from becoming ultra overpowered plasmids. The GL is the mold breaker that can counteract these plasmids. Also remember not EVERY GL user is good at predicting where the houdini user will go, and not every gl user will kill someone while affected by insect swarm.

Plus if anyone comes in melee/shotgun range theres still the ability to kill them, however also killing yourself (still getting a kill), and if another player drops you to low health and you kill yourself they
only get an assist

Now that is the somewhat decent point, but there is a penalty for shooting someone at point blank range with a GL. A damage penalty against the user and the potential for the user to kill himself. The blast may or may not kill your opponent. But I do agree, if a person kills another person with a "grenade suicide" then that kill should not count.



If a player tries to run away someone with a regular weapon would not be able to kill them or if they ran round a corner, however a grenade launcher can kill a player behind corners etc.

Bull**** Ive been killed numerous times (by "normal" weapons) while "running away"or going around corners . Many Plasmids do a fine job of stunning/slowing down opponents in order to catch them and Houdini/Aero Dash are plasmids built primarily for evasion and escape. Also Dont say that Grenade Launcher is the only way to get "corner kills" in this game because its not. The Nailgun is very effective in tight spaces and does not potentially hurt the user like the GL does


Many weapons have different ranges or are easier/harder to use in different ranges. A grenade launcher is good at all ranges. All other weapons you need some form of accuracy gl can kill players easily even if you never hit them.

The Grenade Launcher struggles in CQ. Why? because you can potentially kill/damage yourself. Therefore it is harder to use at a close range. Also the GL does require accuracy. Splash shots may chip away at an opponents health but any automatic gun can empty a clip into a GL user and kill them before they get the third or (with a reload in between) fourth shot. The GL depends on body shots in order to get an effective 2 hit kill. But since it arcs usually its harder to get bodyshots. Also dont complain if the GL splash damage kills you at low health (After fighting another opponent). You were basically an easy kill for any opponent nearby.

A Man chooses, a slave picks the gl
Would you kindly not use the ****ing gl

Btw Stop@Red, the only thing i can tell from your posts humping the gl is that your **** at all other weapons = **** overall and blind

Nice conclusion :rolleyes:

[STOP@RED]

So to sum it up: you didnt convince me at all. Compared to other weapons GL has the least of disadvantages. Now do you want me to post all advantages of GL or over 16 pages are enought already?

Sure go ahead.

[STOP@RED]

Yeah, your love for the GL is evident, and in your favor you do attempt adult, rational (or rationalized, rather) arguments for it. However, it's pretty obvious the GL is overpowered, and a new player favorite, given you really don't have to aim it much. (The GL+Homing, I mean)

That doesn't mean that I personally want to see it nerfed. It amuses me to no end to hear the complaints about it, particuarly from the Electro+EG crowd, the second most abused combo in the game. It's good to give new or unskilled players some fun, too :D

I have seen experienced players using it, and they're deadly with it . . . . far outpacing the one-shot one-kill Elephant Gun and Crossbow. Those that aren't shamed by the other players into using something else, that is.

I realize that the splash radius should be reduced, But thanks for not posting another insult/rant comment :o

[STOP@RED]

You don't understand what I'm saying dude..................................

let me explain so you will understand..........................

Me and you are fighting 1v1 close range, you are using the GL, I am using pistol. You are about dead and so am I, you shoot me close range with the GL and we both die. You get a kill but me or my team don't get a kill, because the game counts your death as a suicide.

Now times this by 5 people using the GL close range.

Ive agreed that the "suicide" GL kills should not be counted as an "actual kill". But I must question why you did not switch to a close range if your fighting a gl user in close range?; Alternatively why didnt you just try to evade the GL user? I;m sure you know that a pistol is no match for a GL at a very close range because of the pistol's semi weak damage.

[STOP@RED]

Yeah, I'm not going to bother replying to STOP RED's posts, especially since he's now resorting to call me ignorant, which is ironic, considering he didn't even understand the other guy's post.



Hmm, I think you can only get one shot kills with the crossbow if you get a headshot with the damage upgrade AND Headhunter. But as far as I can tell, most people go for the rapid fire upgrade instead because the damage upgrade is far too slow and still takes 3 shots to the body to kill someone.

I almost exclusively use the rapid fire crossbow and it takes two shots to the head AFTER freezing them to kill someone and 3 to 4 shots to the body. It's not as easy as a one-shot one-kill as you suggested.

But most people combine the ROF Crossbow upgrade with Electrobolt and the HH tonic. Meaning one electro bolt shot + one head shot + one body shot. which is a quick and easy kill considering the fast ROF.

[Zoobi]

I have seen experienced players using it, and they're deadly with it . . . . far outpacing the one-shot one-kill Elephant Gun and Crossbow. Those that aren't shamed by the other players into using something else, that is.

First off, crossbow doesn't one shot regardless of whether or not you use the damage upgrade and have the person you're shooting researched.

Second off, that's the problem with the grenade launcher. It is a far superior weapon to weapons that take precise aim(EG/Crossbow). It SHOULD be a(this is from a competitive team vs a competitive teams perspective) cause splash damage to get them(aka the whole other team) low enough for your crossbow/eg users to finish them off. As it is now, it is far too deadly in a person with any inkling of skill(they can hit the broad side of a barn) hands.

[SmushingGnomes]

But most people combine the ROF Crossbow upgrade with Electrobolt and the HH tonic. Meaning one electro bolt shot + one head shot + one body shot. which is a quick and easy kill considering the fast ROF.

Again, you don't bother reading the posts and the context they're in. But since you're replying to so many people, you're forgiven this time.

First off, my point was that the crossbow is not a one shot kill weapon which the other guy claims it was. Second, "quick and easy" with the crossbow STILL requires precise aiming TWICE since even you admit that it needs two shots to kill, and one of them being a headshot! As opposed to the GL, where "close enough" is good enough.

Funny how you keep saying that it's "quick and easy" for crossbows and elephant guns. So what the hell does that make grenade launchers? Oh that's right, GL takes even far LESS skill than the "quick and easy" crossbows and elephants guns.

[STOP@RED]

First off, crossbow doesn't one shot regardless of whether or not you use the damage upgrade and have the person you're shooting researched.

Second off, that's the problem with the grenade launcher. It is a far superior weapon to weapons that take precise aim(EG/Crossbow). It SHOULD be a(this is from a competitive team vs a competitive teams perspective) cause splash damage to get them(aka the whole other team) low enough for your crossbow/eg users to finish them off. As it is now, it is far too deadly in a person with any inkling of skill(they can hit the broad side of a barn) hands.

Im sure that with the headhunter tonic it does. or it takes out 95% of the opponent's health. The GL is not far superior to the Crossbow or EG because
there are very effective combos that level the playing field.

The EG + Electro Headshot, and the HH + ElectroBolt + RoF Crossbow.
The Nailgun + Damage Upgrade + Insect Swarm etc.
And Zoobi instead of complaining about the GL how about you modify your playstyle to fight against it? Try Evasion instead of attacking first. Once the GL user has to reload, shoot them with electrobolt or something and take them out.

[STOP@RED]

Again, you don't bother reading the posts and the context they're in. But since you're replying to so many people, you're forgiven this time.

First off, my point was that the crossbow is not a one shot kill weapon which the other guy claims it was. Second, "quick and easy" with the crossbow STILL requires precise aiming TWICE since even you admit that it needs two shots to kill, and one of them being a headshot! As opposed to the GL, where "close enough" is good enough.

Funny how you keep saying that it's "quick and easy" for crossbows and elephant guns. So what the hell does that make grenade launchers? Oh that's right, GL takes even far LESS skill than the "quick and easy" crossbows and elephants guns.

Smushing, your looking at the GL in the context of. I want THIS KILL and ONLY THIS KILL. Your not looking at it stragetically as I am, for killstreaks and such. The GL has a small clip, many potential user hurting abilities, Slow RoF, and I must reload constantly. Sure, I can get that ONE kill but the question is can I get consecutive kills without dieing? I like having a high K/D ratio and simply spamming around grenades will not get me into that first place position. (I know you know this,)

[SmushingGnomes]

Smushing, your looking at the GL in the context of. I want THIS KILL and ONLY THIS KILL. Your not looking at it stragetically as I am, for killstreaks and such. The GL has a small clip and I must reload constantly. Sure, I can get that ONE kill but the question is can I get consecutive kills without dieing? I like having a high K/D ratio and simply spamming around grenades will not get me into that first place position. (I know you know this,)

Haha. Looking at it stragetically? Are you just throwing words out without knowing what they mean? What the hell does that mean and how is it relevant to what we're discussing at all?

Anyway, the crossbow has a small clip too and only 20 shots total ammo. 4 shots (rapid fire) and you have to reload. And if you have the damage upgrade, it's reload after every shot. And with the elephant gun, it's reload after 2 shots. You talk as if though the crossbow can go on a long killing spree without reloading.

You give me a headache.

[Virtues]

No other weapon lets you hit people around corners, and even if there must be such a thing, it should not re-fire so quickly. But whatever, my personal thoughts aside, let everyone play with what they want, but give me an option to not play with them(no nades option for matches). I don't want to have to click on avoid in GFWL every time I see someone using grenades because there may come a time when they chose not to and then we can have fun.

[STOP@RED]

No other weapon lets you hit people around corners, and even if there must be such a thing, it should not re-fire so quickly. But whatever, my personal thoughts aside, let everyone play with what they want, but give me an option to not play with them(no nades option for matches). I don't want to have to click on avoid in GFWL every time I see someone using grenades because there may come a time when they chose not to and then we can have fun.

So your basically being extremely prejudice? No I hope they do not include that option. Changing the game just because people are unwilling to accept a certain playstyle.

[PanKwik]

Well I give up. You wont change your mind no matter how many advantages of GL poeple will post here. Also many of your examples contain little to none stright facts about GL. For example your list of "disadvantages". Still i see no respond from you about what i have posted above... Thought that this topick was mdae to "open our minds on GL users", but for me it seems like you are the stubborn one here. Once again you are using the small clip size argument which is pure bs...

[STOP@RED]

Haha. Looking at it stragetically? Are you just throwing words out without knowing what they mean? What the hell does that mean and how does it relevant to what we're discussing at all?

Anyway, the crossbow has a small clip too and only 20 shots total ammo. 4 shots (rapid fire) and you have to reload. And if you have the damage upgrade, it's reload after every shot. And with the elephant gun, it's reload after 2 shots. You talk as if though the crossbow can go on a long killing spree without reloading.

You give me a headache.

The GL has only 9 rounds of Ammo and 3 projectiles per clip
-NO ONE USES THE DAMAGE UPGRADE CROSSBOW :rolleyes: it utterly sucks
-The Elephant gun has a one hit kill combo so that evens out the reloading.
-You talk as if the Grenade Launcher is an "auto" winning tool and lacks any sort of strategy :P

[STOP@RED]

Well I give up. You wont change your mind no matter how many advantages of GL poeple will post here. Also many of your examples contain little to none stright facts about GL. For example your list of "disadvantages". Still i see no respond from you about what i have posted above... Thought that this topick was mdae to "open our minds on GL users", but for me it seems like you are the stubborn one here. Once again you are using the small clip size argument which is pure bs...

No one posts advantages, they post rants,complaints, and insults :o.
And the small clip size is no bs argument. For example The Nail gun can slice through multiple opponents quickly because of a large clip size (if the person can aim well). The GL can take down multiple people too but it usually involves luck (two people fighting each other and are at low enough health that you can double kill them both with one grenade)

[Zoobi]

And Zoobi instead of complaining about the GL how about you modify your playstyle to fight against it? Try Evasion instead of attacking first. Once the GL user has to reload, shoot them with electrobolt or something and take them out.

Ha, you try to bring this up as if it is some kind of point away from the GL being vastly superior. Of course if you get the drop on a GL user when he doesn't know you're there you can kill him. You can do that with ANY weapon/combo. I'm strictly talking from the perspective where you see eachother at the same time and then proceed to start fighting eachother.

Also you talk about the crossbow+hh+eb combo as if its some kind of easymode thing. You can do the same thing with the grenade launcher with velocity upgrade and eb, except you have more freedom with your tonics because you don't need HH.

I'm pretty fed up with this topic because the other side doesn't want to let go, so this'll be my last post in this topic.

[PanKwik]

-You talk as if the Grenade Launcher is an "auto" winning tool and lacks any sort of strategy :P

Because it is in most cases... Im curious... What is your total play time?
And also have you ever tried ANY other weapon? Because it seems like you are exclusively using gl.

[SmushingGnomes]

*slams head into brick wall repeatedly* Ok I'm done.

[Useaname]

Agree with Red, each weapon has its situations where it will dominate. Put shotgun user and GL user in close quarter combat, and Shotgunner will own the GL. In another situation where the GL user is on the top floor of home of the poor shooting down on a shotgun user, he will dominate.

The fact is, it tends not to be the weapon that dominates, just the positioning and tactics, which i'll admit are a bit easier for the GL user (be a bit far back and shoot). In retrospect the SGer could just use houdini/flank them/stun em get up close and kill them in two (quicker) shots.

So the way in which the GL is "so" superior, is not because it is overpowered, but because it is easier to get yourself in a position where it dominates, than say the shotgun where you have to be up close and personal, all the time. Every weapon has its own situation e.g. Nail gun (coming up behind them/when they can't see you), and the skill of the player is determined not by which gun he uses, but how uses superior positioning and tactics, to put himself in a posistion where he can "outclass" his opponent.

Repost of my own post.

[STOP@RED]

Ha, you try to bring this up as if it is some kind of point away from the GL being vastly superior. Of course if you get the drop on a GL user when he doesn't know you're there you can kill him. You can do that with ANY weapon/combo. I'm strictly talking from the perspective where you see eachother at the same time and then proceed to start fighting eachother.

Also you talk about the crossbow+hh+eb combo as if its some kind of easymode thing. You can do the same thing with the grenade launcher with velocity upgrade and eb, except you have more freedom with your tonics because you don't need HH.

I'm pretty fed up with this topic because the other side doesn't want to let go, so this'll be my last post in this topic.

Look Zoobi, A user with good aim can take out a GL user before he gets the second or third shot out. Your reasoning completely lacks (or ignores) the involvement of plasmids. For example an Electro bolt from the non-GL user would allow enough time for the non-gl user to kill the GL user.

You on the other hand talk about the GL like it takes no strategy or tactics to win a match. You honestly believe that "spamming away" will get you a win.

Goodbye Zoobi :o

[STOP@RED]

Because it is in most cases... Im curious... What is your total play time?
And also have you ever tried ANY other weapon? Because it seems like you are exclusively using gl.

I play survival of the fittest mostly and I dont remember my exact playtime, and I have used every other weapon. I have a damage pistol as my secondary weapon.

[PanKwik]

And the small clip size is no bs argument. For example The Nail gun

How about the weapons i posted above? You are not constructive at all. You keep seying same stuff over and over again but no facts... HALF of the wapons in game have small clip size...

[STOP@RED]

*slams head into brick wall repeatedly* Ok I'm done.

Thank the Lord! :p

[STOP@RED]

How about the weapons i posted above? You are not constructive at all. You keep seying same stuff over and over again but no facts... HALF of the wapons in game have small clip size...

But 95% of them have larger than a 3 clip magazine :rolleyes:

[Mr Goosell]

Dude just stop arguing, out of all the weapons in the game the GL is the least skilled. You probably cant even use any other weapon. Your boner for the GL is a little out of control. You stick up for it like it's one of your children. Your arguments for why it's not cheap are flawed and just plain retarded. Look at this thread, there have maybe been a couple people who agree with you but overall everyone is against you. What does that say to you, that maybe you are wrong?

[PanKwik]

Look Zoobi, A user with good aim can take out a GL user before he gets the second or third shot out. Your reasoning completely lacks (or ignores) the involvement of plasmids. For example an Electro bolt from the non-GL user would allow enough time for the non-gl user to kill the GL user.


Not true if we are talking about elegun + plasmid (like ebolt) vs non-retarded gl user. GL>elegun in that case.

[STOP@RED]

Dude just stop arguing, out of all the weapons in the game the GL is the least skilled. You probably cant even use any other weapon. Your boner for the GL is a little out of control. You stick up for it like it's one of your children. Your arguments for why it's not cheap are flawed and just plain retarded. Look at this thread, there have maybe been a couple people who agree with you but overall everyone is against you. What does that say to you, that maybe you are wrong?

This is going on the front page, Congrats

Anyway, I wont just give in to your interests.
Hope you understand ;)

[STOP@RED]

Not true if we are talking about elegun + plasmid (like ebolt) vs non-retarded gl user. GL>elegun in that case.

The Elephant gun has a faster rate of fire, meaning
The Electrobolt + headshot combo is completely doable in the Electrobolt stun time.

[Mr Goosell]

The Elephant gun has a faster rate of fire, meaning
The Electrobolt + headshot combo is completely doable in the Electrobolt stun time.

You just don't get it dude

[Useaname]

Dude just stop arguing, out of all the weapons in the game the GL is the least skilled. You probably cant even use any other weapon. Your boner for the GL is a little out of control. You stick up for it like it's one of your children. Your arguments for why it's not cheap are flawed and just plain retarded. Look at this thread, there have maybe been a couple people who agree with you but overall everyone is against you. What does that say to you, that maybe you are wrong?

WORST ARGUMENT EVER, just because everyone thinks something doesn't make it true, you learn that in primary school. 500 years ago everyone thought the world was flat, does that make the guy who thought it might be a globe wrong?

This thread i will admit is very repetaive, it can be summed up with
"GL is nooby/overpowered"
"no it's not"
"YES it is"
"NO it's not"
"YES IT IS!!!!!"

and so on, it's 20 odd pages of some of the most childish arguing ever:p Although Red has a reason in that he's usually the only one on his side.

Either 2k will nerf it or they won't, they will have already have seen your complaints and taken them into consideration, so for now live with it.

[PanKwik]

The Elephant gun has a faster rate of fire, meaning
The Electrobolt + headshot combo is completely doable in the Electrobolt stun time.

And now we come to same question as above: how long have you played the mp? How many kills do ypou have? Whats your k/d ratio? Because it looks for me like you havnt played long enought... I can be wrong though.

About the clip size... Ofc shootgun and xbow have clipsize of 4 but it deosnt change much, especialy that they cant killl multiple targets at once like gl.

[Mr Goosell]

WORST ARGUMENT EVER, just because everyone thinks something doesn't make it true, you learn that in primary school. 500 years ago everyone thought the world was flat, does that make the guy who thought it might be a globe wrong?

This thread i will admit is very repetaive, it can be summed up with
"GL is nooby/overpowered"
"no it's not"
"YES it is"
"NO it's not"
"YES IT IS!!!!!"

and so on, it's 20 odd pages of some of the most childish arguing ever:p Although Red has a reason in that he's usually the only one on his side.

Either 2k will nerf it or they won't, they will have already have seen your complaints and taken them into consideration, so for now live with it.

It is a fine argument you have people who are posting who have played the MP plenty and know for a fact that the GL is OP. Comparing a weapon in a game to the world and history is a pretty stupid argument IMO.

The big fact though is stop@red is arguing so much because he knows w/o the GL he couldn't even play the game and get kills

[STOP@RED]

And now we come to same question as above: how long have you played the mp? How many kills do ypou have? Whats your k/d ratio? Because it looks for me like you havnt played long enought... I can be wrong though.

About the clip size... Ofc shootgun and xbow have clipsize of 4 but it deosnt change much, especialy that they cant killl multiple targets at once like gl.

But how often does a GL User Kill 2 people AT ONCE? Not very often. And I have killed 2 people at once with a shotgun before.
Also Im level 40 and I have a K/D of around 1.45 ish cant remember of the top of my head how many hours I have.

[STOP@RED]

It is a fine argument you have people who are posting who have played the MP plenty and know for a fact that the GL is OP. Comparing a weapon in a game to the world and history is a pretty stupid argument IMO.

The big fact though is stop@red is arguing so much because he knows w/o the GL he couldn't even play the game and get kills

Goosell stop trolling

[Mr Goosell]

Goosell stop trolling

Everyone is flaming and trolling this thread

[Useaname]

It is a fine argument you have people who are posting who have played the MP plenty and know for a fact that the GL is OP. Comparing a weapon in a game to the world and history is a pretty stupid argument IMO.

The big fact though is stop@red is arguing so much because he knows w/o the GL he couldn't even play the game and get kills

If you all know it's a fact then how come the game designers still put it in. If it's so obvious how come they didn't remove it or nerf it, before the game came out. Don't argue that you know more than the game designers, and if my comparison is so stupid the how is it?

In the end the develpopers believed it to be balanced, and a whining bunch of a small percentage of games population complaining about it will not make them change their mind.

[Mr Goosell]

If you all know it's a fact then how come the game designers still put it in. If it's so obvious how come they didn't remove it or nerf it, before the game came out. Don't argue that you know more than the game designers, and if my comparison is so stupid the how is it?

In the end the develpopers believed it to be balanced, and a whining bunch of a small percentage of games population complaining about it will not make them change their mind.

Developers do not make most multiplayer games balanced.

[PanKwik]

But how often does a GL User Kill 2 people AT ONCE?
Too often. And its not argument that you have killed 2 poeple at once with shotgun. It almost doesnt happen, you are talking about some extreamly rare situation. Also shootgun and gl are the only weapons alowing you to do so and thats only in theory, in reality GL is the only weapon which is another advantage of it over other weapons.

[Useaname]

Developers do not make most multiplayer games balanced.

WTH! what do you think they spend so much time doing! If thats the case why not just make one weapon kill everyone in the game and end it with one bullet, or a plasmid that makes you invincible. Of course they balance it, or at least try.

[STOP@RED]

Developers do not make most multiplayer games balanced.

But they TRY to. Thats why the GL in BS2 is a 2-4 hit kill instead of the usual one hit kill like in other games

[STOP@RED]

Too often. And its not argument that you have killed 2 poeple at once with shotgun. It almost doesnt happen, you are talking about some extreamly rare situation. Also shootgun and gl are the only weapons alowing you to do so and thats only in theory, in reality GL is the only weapon which is another advantage of it over other weapons.

But the Shotgun cant potentially kill the user. Can it?

[Mr Goosell]

But they TRY to. Thats why the GL in BS2 is a 2-4 hit kill instead of the usual one hit kill like in other games
They tried to but failed.

I've been killed multiple times by one direct grenade and another with splash damage. So essentially it is a 1.5 shot kill.

[PanKwik]

But the Shotgun cant potentially kill the user. Can it?

So? You have to be an idiot to kill yourself with gl if you are at full (or close to full) hp.

[The-Canadian]

OMG this tread is so fun to read about how butthurt people get over a gun in a video game XD

Seriously just stop complaining and play the game, if you don't like it then play something else.

[STOP@RED]

They tried to but failed

I've been killed multiple times by one direct grenade and another with splash damage. So essentially it is a 1.5 shot kill

I question this because I have tested out the GL Damage and it goes

3-4 splash shots )depending on closeness)
2 direct body hits
1 direct body hit and 2 splash shots.

[STOP@RED]

OMG this tread is so fun to read about how butthurt people get over a gun in a video game XD

Seriously just stop complaining and play the game, if you don't like it then play something else.

Good idea! But people need to vent their anger and denial somewhere. And this GL thread is it :o

[Useaname]

OMG this tread is so fun to read about how butthurt people get over a gun in a video game XD

Seriously just stop complaining and play the game, if you don't like it then play something else.

^ Quote of the day anybody?

[STOP@RED]

So? You have to be an idiot to kill yourself with gl if you are at full (or close to full) hp.

Not really, All it takes is an explosive barrel that you dont know about.
Accidentally ignite the barrel and BOOM your dead.

[PanKwik]

Good idea! But people need to vent their anger and denial somewhere.

Maybe they have a reason...

[PanKwik]

Not really, All it takes is an explosive barrel that you dont know about.
Accidentally ignite the barrel and BOOM your dead.

So is your enemy. But he will only get assist. Also it seems like barrels always spawn in same places (dont they?), its not hard to remember where they are and take adavantage of it. But you know... You have to aim...

[STOP@RED]

Maybe they have a reason...

What Reason?

[PanKwik]

What Reason?

Its top secret.

[STOP@RED]

So is your enemy. But he will only get assist. Also it seems like barrels always spawn in same places (dont they?), its not hard to remember where they are and take adavantage of it. But you know... You have to aim...

I wouldnt know, I dont depend on barrels for kills.
My tactic is usually hit them on the body with a non upgraded GL or Velocity then houdini around them and shoot them in the back. My gene loadout is EVE SAVEr, META EVE, and FAST FEET

[Sharky]

I wouldnt know, I dont depend on barrels for kills.
My tactic is usually hit them on the body with a non upgraded GL or Velocity then houdini around them and shoot them in the back. My gene loadout is EVE SAVEr, META EVE, and FAST FEET

Fast Feet does not increase your speed by a lot. I think it's useless.

[PanKwik]

I wouldnt know, I dont depend on barrels for kills.
My tactic is usually hit them on the body with a non upgraded GL or Velocity then houdini around them and shoot them in the back. My gene loadout is EVE SAVEr, META EVE, and FAST FEET

So? You agree that killing yourself with gl is not that easy if your are just not using gl at melee range, standing next to barrel full of oil?

[STOP@RED]

Fast Feet does not increase your speed by a lot. I think it's useless.

It boosts the performance of the Houdini Plasmid

Faster + Slower Eve Drain = More Bang for your Houdini Buck

[STOP@RED]

So? You agree that killing yourself with gl is not that easy if your are just not using gl at melee range, standing next to barrel full of oil?

Well Everyone knows that your supposed to aim the GL at a \ angle towards the persons legs so they get caught in most of the epicenter of the explosion while not having to worry about missing as much. Lets say you do this but accidentally aim too low or walk into the explosion by accident. You could potentially kill yourself if your not at full health

[PanKwik]

Well Everyone knows that your supposed to aim the GL at a \ angle towards the persons legs so they get caught in most of the epicenter of the explosion while not having to worry about missing as much. Lets say you do this but accidentally aim too low or walk into the explosion by accident. You could potentially kill yourself if your not at full health

So is your enemy... See post above. And if you messed it SO bad its your foult.
Doing so means only that you have probably spamed gl withuot even thinking what could happen....

In fps games your mistake means your death, and its for all weapons. The only thing that changes is the "type" of mistake. But ofc some weapons are more tolerant then others... In bs2 GL is the most forgivng one.

[Platinum]

Hey STOP@RED, what's your loadout?

I want to give it a try and see how it runs.

[STOP@RED]

Hey STOP@RED, what's your loadout?

I want to give it a try and see how it runs.

Ok Here ya go

Primary Weapon Grenade Launcher (with either velocity or no upgrade)
Secondary Weapon: Crossbow with ROF upgrade

Plasmid 1: Houdini
Plasmid 2: Aerodash

Tonics
EVE SAVER
METABOLIC EVE
FAST FEET

[Platinum]

Ok Here ya go

Primary Weapon Grenade Launcher (with either velocity or no upgrade)
Secondary Weapon: Crossbow with ROF upgrade

Plasmid 1: Houdini
Plasmid 2: Aerodash

Tonics
EVE SAVER
METABOLIC EVE
FAST FEET

Thanks!
ten characters

[Platinum]

Sorry to double post.

I've played with the loadout a tad, and...
What/when do you use aero dash for? I'm not seeing the best situations for it? Is it kinda like an escape mechanism, for fun, or is it something i'll discover on me own?

EDIT:
Also, how often do you hack or research?
I'm also guessing you switch to xbow for super long range or super short range, right?

[STOP@RED]

Sorry to double post.

I've played with the loadout a tad, and...
What/when do you use aero dash for? I'm not seeing the best situations for it? Is it kinda like an escape mechanism, for fun, or is it something i'll discover on me own?

EDIT:
Also, how often do you hack or research?
I'm also guessing you switch to xbow for super long range or super short range, right?

Aero Dash is for escaping traps, and flying across gaps. haha
I research occasionally, I'm not a fanatic. Also who needs RB if your using a Grenade Launcher?

Yup I use the xbow for super long range and short range sweeping .

[Platinum]

Aero Dash is for escaping traps, and flying across gaps. haha
I research occasionally, I'm not a fanatic. Also who needs RB if your using a Grenade Launcher?

Yup I use the xbow for super long range and short range sweeping .

Ok, thanks.

Btw, have you ever used gyser and GL? I've seen it done a few times and the whole thing really F***ed me up. I've that a try much later.

[STOP@RED]

So I tried experimenting with electrobolt and damage research.
I'm in love with electro bolt, but I dont really like DR, I think its a waste of a gene tonic slot

[Platinum]

So I tried experimenting with electrobolt and damage research.
I'm in love with electro bolt, but I dont really like DR, I think its a waste of a gene tonic slot

So I've been playing since I got your load out and I gotta say:
Tis a tad harder than a thought. Not much though.
However, I am in love is velocity nades. They are most fair nades will ever get, I swear to the almighty powers.

Velo nades have reduced splash, making it necessary to body shot at least once, or switch to off-hand. Btw, good choice with the xbow and upgrade, worked great. It isn't my kinda play style, but I wish all naders used Velocity upgrade. Twould make it much more balanced.

[STOP@RED]

So I've been playing since I got your load out and I gotta say:
Tis a tad harder than a thought. Not much though.
However, I am in love is velocity nades. They are most fair nades will ever get, I swear to the almighty powers.

Velo nades have reduced splash, making it necessary to body shot at least once, or switch to off-hand. Btw, good choice with the xbow and upgrade, worked great. It isn't my kinda play style, but I wish all naders used Velocity upgrade. Twould make it much more balanced.

Glad you enjoyed it some.

I'm thinking about replacing Aero Dash with electrobolt in my class. I mean Aero is fun, but i need a way to stop those damn nail guns.

[Platinum]

Glad you enjoyed it some.

I'm thinking about replacing Aero Dash with electrobolt in my class. I mean Aero is fun, but i need a way to stop those damn nail guns.

Also, if you shock em at a distance, you could Velo nade em.

Hm, I wonder if a charged shock and velo nade would insta kill...

[Psimon]

Is it the velocity upgrade that makes it, if not impossible, very difficult to counter the GL with telekinesis?

[Platinum]

Is it the velocity upgrade that makes it, if not impossible, very difficult to counter the GL with telekinesis?

Do to lag or my own incompetence, I've never been able to catch grenades. I always end up with a rock and an explosion in my face. However, the velocity grenades do move super fast. So it might be safe to say that you are right.

However, I still find them rather fair as far as nades go.

[Psimon]

I can catch nades, at least of the homing and regular variety. Thing is, though, in Survivor there's really no point except to annoy the enemy. They're only as strong as his own nades and you have to hit him (unfortunately, they won't "home" back on him). About the only kills I've got with catching is to grab a turret's nade and hit an enemy player with it.

In team play it's more useful, though. You can effectively "jam" his weapon while your teammates take him out.

You're right about the lag. Even a little renders this dubious defense completely useless.