Gameplay hints and ideas to developers.

[Andycap]

I wanted to make a thread where the community could give the developers some hints or ideas about gameplay. So please no whining about some textures or some particle effects.
Okay, I'll start - I think that the cars blow up too fast. I would love to take cover behind a car, but whenever a bullet would hit the tank - it would blow up and kill me. Same thing with enemies near the cars - its really easy to take them out this way.
If it would be up to me, I would take this feature out altogether, because in reality, cars don't blow up like that, but I know there are gamers that love all the Hollywood special effects and stuff like that. So maybe you could make a little compromise and just make the cars resist bullets a little bit more?

And when the car has been hit in the tank, could you make it loose fuel. I remember doing so in mafia 1 in the "Ordinary Routine" mission - i shot the tank a few times and blew up the tires - so when the chase begun I had a great lead over the enemy. ;)

[Tommy_DeVito]

Nice thread. I'll start.

I'll explain it simply because my English is not very good. I hope you understand me. I'd like the charachters wear different clothes every day or each time they meet each other. I mean, they'd change the shirt, the tie, the suit... I mean just with a different colour who could be chosen at random by the CPU. I think this would a very cool thing and it'd make the game much more realistic because is not nice to see, for example, Henry, with the same red shirt during many years. I know it can be difficult and hard to introduce it in the game, but I'd very glad if you 2K guys do it, and I imagine all Mafia II fans too.

Regards.

[madeye]

My only advice would be: Don't listen to fans, don't listen to producers (sorry Denby), always stick with your vision.

[Zorro]

Mine would be for the controls... i would like to be able to alternate the camara between the right and left shoulder while aiming, "Uncharted: Drakes Fortune" style... this simple feature makes the combat so much better imo.

[2K Denby]

My only advice would be: Don't listen to fans, don't listen to producers (sorry Denby), always stick with your vision.

2K Games and 2K Czech are very collaborative on making this title (as we are on all our games...Bioshock is a great example) this has been the case since the development began before we even brought the studio under the 2K banner, asking 2K games (me) to butt out does nothing but piss us off.

I do think you guys in general need to get off the teams back. We know what our vision is, we know what game we are making, damn these guys made a wonderful game (something I might add I was involved in as well!!!) before and we are going to again...the key here is that what we are showcasing is work in progress it's not finished yet.

Now we could not show anything to you until the game is done but I am sure that is not what you want either...

I apologize if this comes off as a bit of rant, but we simply are starting to switch off from the forums to be honest, it's not this thread specifically but there is so much **** and noise coming from the forums that it becomes irrelevant. We don't like sky, Vito's shoes are too small, his nose too big, why does he sound like a 15 year old girl...judge us when we are done and stop spamming the **** outta of it.

I literally see 4 threads telling us how to make our game each day...it's got to stop because its in no way constructive for us

Thanks
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[Fugue]

ouch! :D

fair play, if it was my baby I would prob be the same, if not worse :o

[2K Denby]

Here's the deal we do listen to you guys, we genuinely do...but the truth is we are not going to please everyone and be able to do everything. We have to be realistic.

We have a vision, a very clear vision...and that game is going to be amazing.

Of course we appreciate feedback but seriously it's all I read on this place at the moment ("you need to do this?" "why don't you do that...")

You guys are cool an all, but you gotta trust us...any list of issues you give us, we'd have all those on on it already then times that by 10...believe me

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[Mark Meltzer]

holy shnizer Denby! Seriously Denby is right! We complain wayyyyyyy to MUCH! I think many of us forget that this game is not going to be released till NEXT FREAKIN' YEAR!!!!! Many of the things shown are still in development, and honestly (and I can take blame for this to) we complain like 12 year old pre-teen girls.

Instead of giving CONSTRUCTIVE critisim, and saying THANKS more often. Instead the first thing we do when we see a new trailer or gameplay vid is "oh how this isn't good enough", or "this is to bright"....

Thanks Denby:D

[2K Elizabeth]

I echo Denby's sentiment and would like to say that threads like these, as I've said before, are spammish. Conversation should be constructive, and we should not duplicate topics. So a dozen different threads asking direct questions of the team, or reiterating personal dislikes, do not benefit the greater whole.

Stop posting them.

EDIT: I am keeping this thread open because I think everyone should read what Denby wrote.

[Enrico]

holy shnizer Denby! Seriously Denby is right! We complain wayyyyyyy to MUCH! I think many of us forget that this game is not going to be released till NEXT FREAKIN' YEAR!!!!! Many of the things shown are still in development, and honestly (and I can take blame for this to) we complain like 12 year old pre-teen girls.

Instead of giving CONSTRUCTIVE critisim, and saying THANKS more often. Instead the first thing we do when we see a new trailer or gameplay vid is "oh how this isn't good enough", or "this is to bright"....

Thanks Denby:D

Ok dude, you're one of the top most complainers, like what the hell .. I remember someone complaning over an mini mini car detail, that pissed me off really like what the hell, are you buying the awesome game Mafia 2 for amazing enjoyment or for whining over every little damn detail that you don't like

(This was not specificly aimed at you, Mark.)

[Mark Meltzer]

Okay....

I think that we just want this game to be perfect, and when developers are here chatting with us, we want to tell them what there needs to be to make this game perfect.

[Enrico]

Indeed, getting to chat with the actuall producers makes you give your opinions a lil' extra, but every thread is about how this is bad and how this should be and what they should do, as Denby said, and the complaints are over the most stupid things ever.

[Mark Meltzer]

and the complaints are over the most stupid things ever.


Agreed. But were humans, it's our nature to critize, and something that won't ever stop on these message boards.

[2K Elizabeth]

Okay....

I think that we just want this game to be perfect, and when developers are here chatting with us, we want to tell them what there needs to be to make this game perfect.

Everyone's "perfect" game is going to be different. If a studio even attempted to make every opinion happen, the game would possibly never come out, and if it did, I would personally question its quality.

This is besides the point. What you have to remember on this forum is that talking to the developers and producers is a privilege and not a right. If you abuse that privilege, which many of you have, the Denby and Martin will leave.

These guys are busting their butts for you, and I will not make the developers be treated with anything but respect.

That is non-negotiable.

[Fugue]

my 2 cents..

if it helps I love what I've seen so far, and as a huge fan of everything IS have done to date I know Mafia 2 will be something very special & I do understand where Denby etc are coming from.

I think most of the topics that do get closed are rightly so but it's also getting very confusing when trying to work out what is ok to ask/talk about and what isn't imo, even more so now....

it was kind of inevitable that this week would see a lot of feedback, and the nature of forums means it's not all going to be positive & not everyone will be aware about what has been posted before, what the state the game is in etc, I've been here ages and even I'm confused ;)

keep up the good work, this is a v good forum :cool:

[Mark Meltzer]

Liz, Liz, Liz, hey I agree with you! I understand that there doing everything they can for us! I'm just saying what other people EXPECT, and something that I've honstly learned.

[Playa]

Hi!

I'm really not gonna start complaining again, I mean new footage looks amazing, it's much better than last gameplay footage, we got shown. I'm really gonna buy this game again. :) Yes, there is still some things that I may not fan, like regenerating health ect but I can leave with them, If those can't be replaced. Anyway, I just wanted to say that I'm agree with Andycap in 1 thing, and that's is Car Damage. Please Dev's, can't you make cars more stronger, I mean they explode too fast in those new videos. In Mafia1 we had really nice car chases, like your car was pretty f***ed at the end, so as enemy. Also I fanned those bullet holes on cars and things that if you shoot into petrol tank It will run low. So only thing atm I would wanna point out for dev's would be Car Damaging system, please make them stronger for gun fire :)

Thank you and It's really nice that there is different seasons and time frames now. :cool:

Cya!

[Andycap]

I'm sorry if i upset anyone. My intentions were not to complain/whine, but to give developers some stuff to think about and maybe reconsider - an option, not a demand. Maybe some idea that they didn't think of before? I don't care about car interior textures or if the snow is a physical body or whatever, these are not important and do not interfere with gameplay...
But the car damage seemed a bit off to me - you could destroy a car too quickly with just 3-5 shots into the body (not even hitting a gas tank?). And of course I'm excited about Mafia 2, that's why i hang out in this forum.
Again, sorry Denby & Elizabeth if I upset you :o

[Mafiashock]

2K Games and 2K Czech are very collaborative on making this title (as we are on all our games...Bioshock is a great example) this has been the case since the development began before we even brought the studio under the 2K banner, asking 2K games (me) to butt out does nothing but piss us off.

I do think you guys in general need to get off the teams back. We know what our vision is, we know what game we are making, damn these guys made a wonderful game (something I might add I was involved in as well!!!) before and we are going to again...the key here is that what we are showcasing is work in progress it's not finished yet.

Now we could not show anything to you until the game is done but I am sure that is not what you want either...

I apologize if this comes off as a bit of rant, but we simply are starting to switch off from the forums to be honest, it's not this thread specifically but there is so much **** and noise coming from the forums that it becomes irrelevant. We don't like sky, Vito's shoes are too small, his nose too big, why does he sound like a 15 year old girl...judge us when we are done and stop spamming the **** outta of it.

I literally see 4 threads telling us how to make our game each day...it's got to stop because its in no way constructive for us

Thanks
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Uh oh y'all down pissed the don off now :) Na just playing lol. I have no doubt in my mind that the team will deliver and make a game thats beyond great. Keep up the good work. Can't wait to play Mafia 2...going through the first Mafia again right now. Man I hadn't played that game in forever. I used to just play it over and over again when it first came out. Looking forward to Mafia 2 having the same effect.

[ThaCrip]

I think that the cars blow up too fast.

i agree but then again in the final version of the game i suspect this will be fixed because it will probably be similar to the original Mafia game which you could empty a couple drums on it with the Tommy Gun before it would blow up. or maybe the machine gun that was used is powerful so it blows up faster because they might have cars blowing up varying depending on what gun is used ;)

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+1 to Denby's comments! ... my advice is IGNORE those who are complaining about your stuff.. i KNOW you guys wont disappoint us in the final product!. but as usual someone WILL ALWAYS 'NIT PICK' about something.

dont worry about them.... us hardcore fans of Mafia (on PC) KNOW it was a masterpiece so THAT ALONE should make 'most people' quite confident that you guys wont disappoint us with the final product ;) (especially since the 'core group' that worked on the original game is still there)

but as usual (and not just this game but practically every game) people start nit picking on the littlest stuff and even the final game (if people seen videos) would probably still complain. as you pretty much have to ignore those types of people as NOTHING will please them.

but i do thank you guys for what appears to be a big boost to the driving as it seems more like the first game (sorta sim like, which is a good thing) in recent videos vs the earliest ones we have seen ;)

but Denby is right... when everyone just complains all the time they will start to see these threads and it all just becomes noise and they probably don't even hear it anymore and i cant blame them.

but dont worry Denby i for one appreciate you guys being in here and please dont let a handful of people ruin it for the rest of us who KNOW the game will be great and WELL ABOVE pretty much all other games when it's released! (i personally think we got another masterpiece on our hands but ill reserve that comment til i play the game ;) )

people need to be more thankful we actually have producers that listen to us from time to time instead of most places who don't care at all and are only in it for the $$$.... 2k Czech actually have 'passion' (and the talent to back it up ;) ) behind Mafia 2 (which you don't see that with vast majority of games out there) ... there going the extra mile for it.

p.s. i also like to thank Elizabeth for being reasonable with people in here in general! ... because alot of places out there are power hungry and ban people for little stuff or wont allow negative comments towards a product in any way etc etc.

[Marcquez]

I'm really glad Denby did what he did in this topic!
This forum needed a little shake like that, because it was indeed getting bad lately :(
I was ashamed in their place, and this game really doesn't deserve the nitpicking.

What I've seen so far is allready beyond my wildest dreams and I have complete faith they are going to deliver.
I hope we can all get back on their good side again. :)

We should stop asking them questions all the time and just discuss the things we saw with each other.
If Denby/Martin... see something they feel is worth responding to, they will.

[Chunkk]

I just wanted to add something for all the mafia fans out there regarding cars blowing up too fast:

the MG42 gun used in the gameplay footage is capable of 1200 - 1500 rpm (rounds per min). Effective range ~ 700m to 1000m. Just something to consider since Vito is sitting across the street with the gun.


I don't have a problem with what I seen so far with all of the footage that has been released. Hats off to everyone involved in getting this game developed.

You've already earned my money.....

[Enrico]

I just wanted to add something for all the mafia fans out there regarding cars blowing up too fast:

the MG42 gun used in the gameplay footage is capable of 1200 - 1500 rpm (rounds per min). Effective range ~ 700m to 1000m. Just something to consider since Vito is sitting across the street with the gun.



LOL ! that made me crack up for some reason, good point.

[Marcquez]

+ this car explosion thing is probably something the developers are still toying with...
It doesn't have to be final, as the game still has a long (:() way to go

[Fugue]

of course cars should blow up, and what does it really matter that it happens so fast, this is entertainment! stuff needs to explode.

emptying X number of clips into a car because it's "realistic" will add absolutely nothing, all it'll do is keep a v small number of ppl happy until they find something else not quite right,while everyone else is complaning about cars not exploding.

no wonder they get angry reading some of this stuff :p

it's a freaking game!!!

[Hashshashin]

I couldn't agree more to Denby. There is so much whining here that there will be a time when the developers are not putting any more attention to the posts here, because it's just full of whining on tiny stupid things.

The blood is not enough! Vito's voice is different! Why did he drive a red car, I like blue! What's up the the textures! The explosions are not perfect! I saw a little glitch in the very early alpha version! I saw a pop-up when driving through the city! I didn't see a bullet hole when he shot at the door! The horn of the car sounds funny! Etc. etc.

Little things like that not only ruins the fun for the developer (at least, I think it does), it also ruins the fun on the forums. I love to chat here about how good the game is going to be, and I also liked the discussions about the handling of the cars (by the way it looks perfect after seeing the latest gameplay footage). Having a discussion about something in the game is ok once in a while and could be very usefull for 2K. But if there are 100 topics where people whine about little details, I don't think 2K will be putting any attention to them. At least I don't because it's getting really annoying.

Why don't we talk about how great the game looks, on how cool the missions were we've seen etc. I loved the news bulletin on the radio, I loved the car handling, the diner where the mission started looked really cool with a great ambiance, with Vito sitting at the bar :D It really looks like you can do something in all the locations. There are people buying newspapers at a stand.

I even saw cops who pulled over another car and fined him, how cool is that? Grand Theft Auto made a promise that the police will be hunting for other criminals too, since Vice City, but I've never actually seen something like this in GTA. It looked really cool.

Also, during the chase, you can see a police car parked along the side of the road, and two police men come running from an alley to enter their car and help their buddies chase you. Perhaps they were busy with fining another driver, but their AI told them that the chase with Vito was more important so they choose to get back into their car and go after Vito. And let the old man who was being fined go.

I also loved the shootouts, and shooting down the people around their cars with the machinegun was really cool. You could totally destroy the car and shoot everything, and the car even blew up, with the bullet holes and other damage still on it.

The part where a bunch of enemies fire their tommyguns through a door because they know Vito and his buddies are behind it, looks really cool. Vito had to flank them in order to take them out.

All in all there was not much to whine for me when I looked at the latest videos and I really think this is going to be the best game of 2010, and I think it will also do something what nobody had dreamed of before: Being better than Mafia 1 :D

I can't wait to get my steering wheel installed again and start cruising around the city, the handling looks really goods and the police will still fine you, I can't wait :D :D

[MafiaFan]

I haven't posted much lately. This is specifically because of what Denby and Elizabeth have powerfully pinpointed - all the non-constructive topics. This doesn't mean you shouldn't share your opinions/ideas (it is a forum after all), but you can do it more constructively (best word).

I have some ideas for those who are overly-critical of aspects of the game. You know who you are.

1. Relax and take deep breaths.
2. Think before you type your post.
3. Proof-read your post and ask yourself, "Is this constructive?"
4. Instead of being so critical, come up positive/constructive ideas with what you would like to see. As long as you keep it positive and constructive, I don't see how it can be taken negatively.

Lastly...
Have faith in the 2K Games/2K Czech teams and in all of the good people involved. We already KNOW what they (including 2K Czech's previous self, Illusion Softworks) are capable of, just by looking at the original MAFIA and recognizing all that was achieved with it.

Since news broke about Mafia returning, there has been nothing respect for the original coming from all those involved. They have stated numerous times that they will stay true to what made the first one great and we've seen it in everything they've made available for us so far.

Every franchise needs to evolve. Otherwise it would become stale and boring. If there is something you don't agree with, just relax and have a little faith that the finished product will blow us all away. There is no need to act like a bunch of teenagers who have to everything tailored to OUR vision. Changes that you may not initially like could be the best thing when you actually try it. Now, go eat your vegetables.

[Fugue]

all very good suggestions,I completely with but you know it's never going to happen don't you? :p

whilst I agree in part with what Denby said I really don't think there'smuch wrong with these forums, they're well moderated, the really nit picky topics get locked pretty fast & the trolls don't last long.

most of the recent "problems" are the result of Denby & Martin being here (I don't mean it's their fault of course ;) ) & some fans that are very passionate about Mafia 1 and 2, which is a good thing really.... and I don't see anything here that you can't find on any number of game-in-development forums.

there have been plenty of good topics and some very useful polls imo.

the issues of nit picking, repetition in topics, not reading rules/announcements/stickies is just the way it is, in a week or so this'll drop off the first page and someone will be along to point out the snow is the wrong shade of white :D

I hope Denby & Martin stick around, it's not a bad place really :)

[Fraz]

I agree with both of u (MafiaFan and Fugue) here and I second everything you just said there ... we need to remain positive about this forum and everything else that we do here ...

[ThaCrip]

I really think this is going to be the best game of 2010, and I think it will also do something what nobody had dreamed of before: Being better than Mafia 1

i think a lot of the reason it has a good chance to beat Mafia 1 (on PC) is mostly due to updated visuals, because graphics in general got quite a bit better over a 7-8 years time span vs say 2005 range to date which got better but nothing huge like it was from around that 2002 range to date.

and i think it's got a bigger budget this time around to which cant be a bad thing. ;)

so between those two things (updated graphics/bigger budget) i think the odds are in it's favor that it has a good chance to top the original game which wont be a easy feat.

but yeah... i have NO doubts it will be the best game of 2010 or anything in that general time frame (and in my opinion... there 'might' be a handful of games AT BEST that even can come close to Mafia II, but the ones that do aint even the same type of game as Mafia II is for the most part).... because if it's even similar to the original game that means ill be replaying the game many times over the years and probably be replaying it closer to 2020 (maybe more, who knows ;) ) ... because i am still not tired of the first game and even though the first game's age is setting in (mainly visual wise it's getting dated) it's still one of the best (if not THE BEST ;) ) single player games ever since the dawn of the 3D era (i.e. 1995-1996ish) to date. (GoldenEye on N64 was great in it's day but nowadays it's just plain dated and not even remotely close to being great like i was in the old days)

so as long as Mafia II can deliver that 'feeling' you got at the end of Mafia 1 (on PC) i wont be disappointed but that feeling ain't easy to get. but if they cant pull it off, no one can ;) (i think they can though)

[cruelstein]

I think we have a problem here...

I totally agree with Denby in his complaining about the spamming of irrelevant details that sometimes fill this forum. Making a game like Mafia II is a huge project and it must be extremely irritating when people complain about things like noses.

But I could see this coming since I have witnessed it before on other fan sites. When producers/creators officially invites people to show their opinions it´s kind of natural that negative opinions are dominitating since everyone wants their favourite game to be as great as possible.

I think that the main problem is that there is a lack of structure behind this meeting place between developers and fans. People are constantly starting new threads about same things and the overview are more or less gone. My advice is to make subforums and strictly pre-done threads that are divided between different subjects.

For example: One subforum that deals with thoughts about the story, one about the graphics, one about the music etc etc. There can also be some sort of summary of questions and thoughts (preferebly done by a moderator).

I think this would make it so much easier for both old and (specially) new visitors at this forum. And I´m sure that Denby & co would prefer summarys of our questions instead of tons of scattered wining.

I´m not saying that this forum isn´t good - in fact I find it very pleasing! Elisabeth and her collegues are doing a fine job. Just arrange it a little more structured and it would be super...

[Andycap]

I think cruelstein idea is great. :)

[Mark Meltzer]

Agreed! Cruelstein great idea:D Liz how does something like that sound???:D:D

[Fugue]

I think they would just spend more time moving topics to the right forum, is a nice idea but it's relying on ppl posting in the right place.... I'm not optimistic ;)

[Fief]

yea, I really don't stop by this forum as much as I use to, just because of all the repetitive whining and crying... and I kind have expected this to happen as time goes by ... and ESPECIALLY after E3. Bottom line is I have seen more than my fill of videos and pictures of this game. Actually I think I may have seen to much. And everybody crying over textures or graphics is pointless. I mean anybody who has played the first MAFIA game should know this team is MORE THAN CAPABLE of creating another masterpiece. So I am not worried, my question is why is everybody else?

[2K Elizabeth]

Agreed! Cruelstein great idea:D Liz how does something like that sound???:D:D

I'm not going to be making more subforums because I fully believe you are capable of keeping thoughts about story, graphics, cars, etc. in separate, single threads. Creating a subforum so you guys can create many threads only creates a special forum for spammish and duplicate topics. If you guys search, and think through your posts and questions, I am confident you can find proper places to post.

As for questions to the devs, this is simple: Martin and Denby are very busy and should not be expected to answer any of your questions. You should not ask them questions. This is not the place for Q&A and they are not here to answer individual inquiries. If you have questions, PM or email them to me, as I will compile Q&As for our community site. But do not ask questions here. This is not what they are here to do, and if you can't stop, I'll ask them to stop posting to keep the forum in order.

[Ganja]

I think everyone needs to stfu and stop complaining about a game that isnt out nor even finished. I think 2K is fully capable of being able to fix and polish the game. I dont think anyone here is a game developer, therefore noone can complain to the game developers about how to make THEIR game better. All this nitpicking is opinionated and not everyone thinks something is wrong with the game as of now. Everyone has different views so the game will have different flaws for each person

[Alex1911]

I think everyone needs to stfu and stop complaining about a game that isnt out nor even finished. I think 2K is fully capable of being able to fix and polish the game. I dont think anyone here is a game developer, therefore noone can complain to the game developers about how to make THEIR game better. All this nitpicking is opinionated and not everyone thinks something is wrong with the game as of now. Everyone has different views so the game will have different flaws for each person

and of course (for the PC at least) there is always the possibility of patching things up;)

[FlashHawk4]

Well, if Denby here hadn't said that, I expect the very next thread would have been along the lines of "The skin on the inside of Vito's ears is slightly too yellow" or something totally pointless like that. Seriously, we need to do less complaining about how the game looks, sounds, etc, because this is NOT the finished game, or even a full demo. We need to think about what we're posting, whether its a pointless statement that just makes no sense.

[Dsmooth16]

Well, if Denby here hadn't said that, I expect the very next thread would have been along the lines of "The skin on the inside of Vito's ears is slightly too yellow" or something totally pointless like that. Seriously, we need to do less complaining about how the game looks, sounds, etc, because this is NOT the finished game, or even a full demo. We need to think about what we're posting, whether its a pointless statement that just makes no sense.

like 30 people said that already we all get the point,and nobody made a complain thread yet so lets move on.

[dexter23]

Well, I agree with Mr. Grace.
Complaining about little details is pointless and sometimes ridiculous, but (!) if the community is complaining about little things such as "the big nose of Vito", everything else (that means the main parts of the game!) seem to be perfect.

So, if the only worry of the community is the size of Vitos shoes, you (2k) did everything properly and may catch a breath! ;)

On the other hand, you want our money so it is our right to criticise. We have too many buggy and ill-conseived games out there and this circumstance makes gamers unsure.
For this reason, a developer should be glad to have such a driven community because we have another distanced view on the game which might help you sometimes. What you take seriously and what not is your decision.

So please don't take everything we say too personal, but run rings around us if we go too far. :)
(I think Mr. Grace's post on the first page or so was a try to do that)

I want to wish everyone of 2k good luck! I think one the most ambitious game of the last years awaits us.

Ps: Sry for my Englisch.^^

[MetalliTooL]

Pointless whining should be stopped (like "waaahhh, this looks arcady, I will never buy a 2k game again!!!). But we should be allowed to civilly discuss what we've seen of the game so far, the good and the bad. Yes, we know that this is only early footage of the game, but this is all we have to go on so far. And I think pointing out flaws in the game can actually help developers. It's possible that we might notice things that they missed.

[2K Elizabeth]

Pointless whining should be stopped (like "waaahhh, this looks arcady, I will never buy a 2k game again!!!). But we should be allowed to civilly discuss what we've seen of the game so far, the good and the bad. Yes, we know that this is only early footage of the game, but this is all we have to go on so far. And I think pointing out flaws in the game can actually help developers. It's possible that we might notice things that they missed.

Everyone is free to discuss the game -- what you like, and what you don't. The only thing I ask is that you place things in proper threads, and don't start new threads when ones already exist. So, for example, all E3 topics can lump together, all opinions on a group of screenshots, or a video -- those all go in one thread.

I also ask that when you share your opinions, you state them as opinions, and don't ask developers to change things. And yes, sometimes the feedback is very helpful, but a lot of what has been said here has been more of a burden to the overall community than anything like a help.

Hope that helps clarify!

[MetalliTooL]

I hear ya.

[Ganja]

and of course (for the PC at least) there is always the possibility of patching things up;)

Exactly :D

[GAAndrey]

Well, hope the devs will read this. I REALLY liked the last gameplay trailer! The game is miles ahead GTA 4 the way it is already. But please improve the combat system. It is way too mechanical and static. In-game detail is pretty impressive but the guy moves like a puppet shooting from/taking cover. Add some random moves. And maybe you could improve explosion physics - the way cars blow up.

[Dbeat]

2K Games and 2K Czech are very collaborative on making this title (as we are on all our games...Bioshock is a great example) this has been the case since the development began before we even brought the studio under the 2K banner, asking 2K games (me) to butt out does nothing but piss us off.

I do think you guys in general need to get off the teams back. We know what our vision is, we know what game we are making, damn these guys made a wonderful game (something I might add I was involved in as well!!!) before and we are going to again...the key here is that what we are showcasing is work in progress it's not finished yet.

Now we could not show anything to you until the game is done but I am sure that is not what you want either...

I apologize if this comes off as a bit of rant, but we simply are starting to switch off from the forums to be honest, it's not this thread specifically but there is so much **** and noise coming from the forums that it becomes irrelevant. We don't like sky, Vito's shoes are too small, his nose too big, why does he sound like a 15 year old girl...judge us when we are done and stop spamming the **** outta of it.

I literally see 4 threads telling us how to make our game each day...it's got to stop because its in no way constructive for us

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hey first of all i think youre right in some way and we know(be shure of that) we know that we are lucky here if someones idea is readed by a developer, we know that sometimes complain with every little ***** thing(including me) and its so frustrating to you guys reading ever single day a stupid complain but also you cant take serious all that you know everyone here loves the game and the complains here are sometimes very rough in some way but hey we are only saying what we think in that time but be shure that later the 99% of the members will be telling the how stupid is that thread including the one who complained before so hey you're doing a great **** work , really is so keep going and we or at least i promise that i wont complain for every **** thing.

[Michele Castellano]

In reality we will have to wait and see ifany of the ideas were heard and implemented.In my opinion a person who knows nothing about making a game shouldn't whine about a person's walk or his nose.We should try to focus on the things we like .... Take a look at your own walk and shoes.

[gangsterlife]

Let wait and see. Anyway the game look great. it hopefully it going to be the greatest game ever

[FlashHawk4]

Suggestions like "Vito's too short" don't really do much, as the producers can see that, the designers can see that, and they're no doubt fixing it.
On the other hand, original ideas that aren't so far-fetched that they can't be programmed would probably be nice. I'm not telling 2K how to run their show, but I'm just saying that if someone on the forums comes up with something like the useable trunk feature, please at least discuss it and see if it's cool and doable.

[FlashHawk4]

By the way, I would like to say that if Modern Warfare 2 has a perk that allows use of two sidearms at once, that was a fan's (my) idea. This post is proof that sometimes fans can have good ideas, and also is going to be timestamped proof to my friends that I'm not making this up.

[GhostB5]

I thought to open a new thread but I found this one and I think it will do just fine for a couple of my suggestions. And if I repet something that's been already said/suggested, I apologize.

1. I'd really like if Mafia 2 will have a free ride unlocked after the completion of the game, and I think is very possible for this to happen, but my sugestion is to make a totally free roam ride, not like in the first Mafia where were a lot of unaccessible spaces, like factory yards and stuff where one could have hide from the cops, but the most frustrating was the closed, vast port. And equally frustrating was the impossibility to climb fire escape stairs, scaffolds and the cranes in the port (in those two missions there) to gain a vantage point from where to snipe some gangsters.

2. Somehow in the continuity of the previous suggestion, is it possible to do a remake of Mafia with the engine of Mafia 2 (like Half Life Source) ? And if you can do this, please open those spaces. :) I think it will be wonderful to have the old Mafia with the new look. Not that Mafia didn't look very well and still does, but with the new engine and technology, I think it will look superb and it will be practically a new game. And so we'll get two games with (almost, I think) the price of one. :)

3. This one I know for sure it was already suggested, but I want to support it: Please, make a fully moddable game, like the first Mafia, to allow us to change the cars, the textures, etc.

And I hope it will be a collector's edition with some goodies, like a miniature car from the game or the miniature figure of one of the "good fellows".

Thank you for your time.

[Greaser]

We have a vision, a very clear vision...and that game is going to be amazing.
Well, I put myself in your shoes, Denby. Just keep go on with this business.

[495]

I'm pretty sure mafia 2 will be at least a great game, and why is that? because i heard that the team which is making the game, remained partly complete from the team that made the first game!

for me that is great news, i would have hate it if a new company with new devs and new team would have made the mafia 2 game!...

[Vito_Luciano]

you can ban me from this site for saying this idc but denby man you got to remember were the customers who are buying your product and your visions fine but atleast take some into consideration

and its veedough not vtoe :D

[Dbeat]

you can ban me from this site for saying this idc but denby man you got to remember were the customers who are buying your product and your visions fine but atleast take some into consideration

and its veedough not vtoe :D

i think they took some ideas from us, i dont think that they are totally ingnoring us...

[xixoxuxa]

Yes, Denby wrote this in one post that they apreciate our suggestions but making everybody's game is impossible so it means they would include some ideas (but of course not the contradicting ones). I think it is the only reasonable way: they are responsible for the game and therefore they should decide. Denby also added that they have a vision and we should trust them and i think as we all love Mafia1 they deserve our trust