Why Bioshock 2 will fail: Please Read

[Frank Fountaine]

Bioshock was one of the best games I've ever played. I have fond memories of playing it late at night during the warm summer nights. It's a game that inspired me, captivated me, and made me think and learn. But it's such a sad thing to see Bioshock turning into another cash cow. When I first heard of future Bioshock game, with a game coming out every other year, and a movie to boot I was excited! But why? Is it my love for anything Rapture? My love for the Big Daddies? Why?....

Bioshock 2 will fail. Not because I want it to fail....no, I want it to succeed. But it's failure is inevatable. Why you may be asking right now? Simple. There's no real reason for a seque! The game ended at a key note, you chose your ending and you were happy. There's was no big plot hole, or there was no WTF!??? end scene. So really Bioshock 2 is just another cash cow in the making. A prequel would've easily sufficed. But how else is the brillant 2K team going to extend this game to Bioshock 7? See that's another point with Bioshock 2, you know the game will just end in favor of continuing the story, with some cheesy ending. Not just once, but again, and again, and again, and so on...

Also why 2K did you ever have to go and make multiplayer for Bioshock 2!? Why suck up to those little 12 year old whiners? What made Bioshock stand out was that it was a single player adventure, it was like Ken Levine giving the middle finger to all fps developers saying "hey! look we don't need multiplayer to be succesfull..."

And for that I applauded to Levine, he did something different, something unique. It makes me wonder who approved a sequel to Bioshock more? Ken Levine, or those fat cats in the head 2K marketing office?

Bioshock was a game meant to be mystery. Didn't know it's past, and didn't know it's future. Just knew what is there at the moment. A new adventure is pointless because whatever they do, no matter how hard they try it'll never be like that first time entering the lighthouse with "somewhere beyond the sea" playing in the background. Never will I experience that again....

Watch you fools buying Bioshock 2, then Bioshock 3, then a Bioshock RTS, then Bioshock 7: Big Sister vs. Big Daddy the Rematch....

2K just another cash cow....:rolleyes:

[Judgeofwings]

Bioshock did not have a perfect ending,bioshock ended leaving many questions to be answered. One thing about bioshock is that it always left you wanting more and thats exactly what were getting,but in a good way.We want to know what happened we want to know the whys,hows,wheres of Rapture's past and BS2 will help answer them. Now i have a question for you....Why are you here? If you are just going to complain about a game that isn't even out yet why are you here,are you here to whine or are you here enjoy and appreciate all the hard work the people at 2K marin put into BS2?

Look, if you don't like seeing companies taking a risks then all you simply have to do is stop giving them business.Now if you are not happy that 2K is taking risks then complain elsewhere.It is their franchise and they will do as they please,and you just have to accept it.;)

Also if you want Bioshock to remain a mystery then maybe you should stop here and never play another BS title again.

[Frank Fountaine]

Look, if you don't like seeing companies taking a risks then all you simply have to do is stop giving them business.Now if you are not happy that 2K is taking risks then complain elsewhere.It is their franchise and they will do as they please,and you just have to accept it.


Lol...taking a risk? Please, the only risk there taking is how much revenue there hoping to make...

A REAL risk would've been if they just left one of the best games in this generation...just how it was. Just 1 story, 1 game, 1 amazing adventure...Not another a cash maker

[Circus of Values]

Exactly. The first Bioshock left many holes, open to speculation. Because of this, many things can be advanced in the sequel. Plus, the mystery of the new villain. Who was she in BS1? How did she do this? Who is the real bad guy?

Don't say it will "inevitably" fail, when no one has even played it.

[Gingerbeard]

a. Just because a game doesnt have a cliff hanger ending doesnt mean that a sequel isnt a viable option, and just because you dont NEED a sequel doesnt mean it cant be good.

b. Just because the developers are implementing multiplayer doesnt mean the single-player game will be negatively impacted. As a matter of fact that's why they had other people do it, so that the implementation would not detract from the quality of the single player. Why would you even be against multiplayer? If they have other people do it so that the focus of 2k is on the story, then there is nothing lost. Even if the multiplayer is horrendous, who cares? The game is and probably always will be centered around single player.

c. Sequels are not inherently bad. Yes there are some horrific examples of games merely produced to churn out a little more cash as they dig the series' grave just a little deeper, but no competent developer would besmirtch the name of their franchise by producing a sequel if they didnt think they had some good ideas.

I'm not going to say that Bioshock 2 will be great, but give it chance (or dont, I really dont care). Will it live up to the standards of the origional? Maybe, but improving on a game that already set the bar so high is a pretty daunting task. Regardless, you can be rest assured that Bioshock 2 will be good. Great? unlikely, but that doesnt mean it's going to be steaming ****-pile of mediocrity.

[JacksfriendFabio]

I kind've get what your saying about how Bioshock needs to remain a single game, but I mean come-on, why would 2k specifically make a sequal in only the thought of squeezing every little last drop of money out of the Bioshock story? I'm sure that when 2k had finished making Bioshock 1 they weren't thinking of a sequal, they wanted to see if their game even flyed! It was such a new approach to the fps genre that they wanted to see if it did well or not. Later on when they saw how well Bioshock 1 did, and how the game had a great threshold for new ideas and stories, and the fact that fans started to crave more from the Bioshock franchise, it would probably be a great idea to make a sequal in their eyes. Everything was ready for it!

[Who_is_Atlas?]

Bioshock was one of the best games I've ever played. I have fond memories of playing it late at night during the warm summer nights. It's a game that inspired me, captivated me, and made me think and learn. But it's such a sad thing to see Bioshock turning into another cash cow. When I first heard of future Bioshock game, with a game coming out every other year, and a movie to boot I was excited! But why? Is it my love for anything Rapture? My love for the Big Daddies? Why?....Rosy nostalgia goggles are always bad for when judging something, for better or worse. Never let nostalgia blind you when making a decision on something. Why? Because you'll never be able to judge it accurately. Sure, BS2 might not live up exactly to expectations, but it doesn't mean it'll spectacularly fail either, in the sense you speak of. I'm quite content with what has been presented so far, and I'm sorry you haven't been.

Also, welcome to the business world: If it makes money, it will be used.


Bioshock 2 will fail. Not because I want it to fail....no, I want it to succeed. But it's failure is inevatable. Why you may be asking right now? Simple. There's no real reason for a sequel! The game ended at a key note, you chose your ending and you were happy. There's was no big plot hole, or there was no WTF!??? end scene. So really Bioshock 2 is just another cash cow in the making. A prequel would've easily sufficed. But how else is the brillant 2K team going to extend this game to Bioshock 7? See that's another point with Bioshock 2, you know the game will just end in favor of continuing the story, with some cheesy ending. Not just once, but again, and again, and again, and so on...Considering that you know nothing about the game's ending, I find this a rather hefty comment that needs supporting information. Where do you get off saying that it will lead to another game? After all, it seems to me that 2K Marin wants to keep each future sequel in BioShock a self-contained narrative. They essentially admitted, or mostly admitted, the start of this trend with the introduction of the prototype Big Daddy. Had they wanted to screw things up, they could have brought Jack back...but they didn't. As many have also pointed out, the endings, at their core, sucked hard. This is not Levine's fault, but 2K's (who apparently needed two endings for the game); you're either the devil or a saint and that wasn't fun at all, nor did it keep with the game's moral ambiguity.

That seems pretty open to me.


Also why 2K did you ever have to go and make multiplayer for Bioshock 2!? Why suck up to those little 12 year old whiners? What made Bioshock stand out was that it was a single player adventure, it was like Ken Levine giving the middle finger to all fps developers saying "hey! look we don't need multiplayer to be succesfull..."Except...this team does not have Levine on it. Heck, the time isn't 2K Marin developing the mutliplayer; that's Digital Extremes' job, and from what I've heard so far, they're doing a darn good job at it too. I'm sure they'll have an option to ignore people as well; the argument about 12-year-olds can, surprise, be made about any online gaming experience. It also lessened the replay value of BioShock to some, and 2K needs to find new ways to expand the market to a broader audience while pleasing its same fans.


And for that I applauded to Levine, he did something different, something unique. It makes me wonder who approved a sequel to Bioshock more? Ken Levine, or those fat cats in the head 2K marketing office?The 2K marketing office because Levine is off making other 'cash cows' for the same company that greenlit the sequel. :rolleyes: You're also failing to mention that Levine has seen the sequel and given it his blessing, which is more than enough for me to say, "Alright."


Bioshock was a game meant to be mystery. Didn't know it's past, and didn't know it's future. Just knew what is there at the moment. A new adventure is pointless because whatever they do, no matter how hard they try it'll never be like that first time entering the lighthouse with "somewhere beyond the sea" playing in the background. Never will I experience that again....So really, this is more a self-centered rant? Ok, you could have said that in the beginning. You're basing an entire assumptions on a build. And concept art. How can you prove that this WON'T be just as grand an adventure?


Watch you fools buying Bioshock 2, then Bioshock 3, then a Bioshock RTS, then Bioshock 7: Big Sister vs. Big Daddy the Rematch....

2K just another cash cow....:rolleyes:While I enjoy my BioShock 2, you may enjoy whatever schlock another company puts out this year. There's nothing that I, personally, detest more than an air of superiority over something as trivial as this. We're all nerds: what does it matter for you to be 'better' than us by not buying the game? Nothing, pretty much.

[Adam Addict]

Yeah! F*** 2k Marin for making a sequel the majority of us wanted! Who do they think they are?!

Let's call them names and label all supporters of the game: 12 Year Olds!!!



I expected more of an argument from an experienced member...but all I got was

"WAAA WAAA WAAA....Bioshock 2 will fail....WAAA WAAA WAAA"


Watch you fools buying Bioshock 2...

So we won't ever catch you playing the game...correct?

Because no one likes a hypocrite...

[Sander C]

First of all, didn't you wonder at all what happened after the events of the last game? Didn't you wonder how everything got to where it was in the first place? Also, aren't you curious as to what other areas Rapture has to offer?

Those questions are answered through the storyline of Bioshock 2 as well as the multiplayer that has been developed. It gives us new places to explore, more story to unravel. There is no way in hell you can tell me you honestly did not care to see how Rapture became how it was or where the big daddies came from...you would not be here.

Sure, I feel that the first game had a great ending and it was perfect by itself. And of course, 2k is trying to capitalize on what they have in the Bioshock franchise. But I can honestly say that Bioshock 2 was not created solely for the purpose of making money. Yeah, it was a factor, but I believe that the developers feel that they had more to create and more story to unravel.

Anyone who feels differently needs to reevaluate why you are posting in the Bioshock 2 discussion to begin with.

[Maelias]

Lol...taking a risk? Please, the only risk there taking is how much revenue there hoping to make...

A REAL risk would've been if they just left one of the best games in this generation...just how it was. Just 1 story, 1 game, 1 amazing adventure...Not another a cash maker

You do realize that game development is a business not a hobby correct?
No idiot in their right mind would just dump an IP like Bioshock after its success. They would milk it like any other product until no more profit can be gained. Stakeholders want their share of the pie or they will no longer invest.

Will Bioshock 2 fail? I highly doubt it. Commercial sales of the game will be high and it will easily cover its cost.

Now if you want a game just to be made for fun, you are more than welcome to try your luck on your own, but I think you need to open your eyes and see that this is a business just like any other and profit is the purpose of the product that you are buying.

[lurchibald]

You do realize that game development is a business not a hobby correct?
No idiot in their right mind would just dump an IP like Bioshock after its success. They would milk it like any other product until no more profit can be gained. Stakeholders want their share of the pie or they will no longer invest.

Just like any business, take coca-cola
# Coca-Cola
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# Diet Coke (also known as Coca-Cola Light)
# Diet Coke Plus
# Coca-Cola C2
# Coca-Cola Zero
# Coca-Cola Cherry Zero
# Coca-Cola Cherry
# Diet Coke Cherry
# Coca-Cola with Lemon
# Diet Coke with Lemon
# Coca-Cola Vanilla Zero
# Coca-Cola Vanilla
# Diet Coca-Cola Vanilla
# Coca-Cola with Lime
# Diet Coke with Lime
# Coca-Cola Raspberry
# Diet Coke Raspberry
# Coca-Cola Black Cherry Vanilla
# Diet Coke Cherry Vanilla
# Coca-Cola Blāk
# Diet Coca-Cola with Citrus (Lemon and Lime)
# Coca-Cola with Orange
# TaB (original Diet Coke, still available in some countries)
# Passover Coca-Cola — a Kosher for Passover Coke made with pure cane sugar instead of corn syrup

Edit: This post almost makes me look like a spambot :P

[ADAMJUNKIE]

Fountaine
I admit that you hav a point in saying that some franchises have bled their games dry until they suck. But if you truly liked bs1 as much as you say then you should KNOW that there is more than enough backstory left from the first game to put into bs2 (at least) before the series is bled dry. Also all the info ive heard so far seems pretty promising.


There is a big difference between constructive criticism and being a downer

TIP: No one likes adowner

[A. Rand]

Wow, if you followed that mentality we would all be supported off of the first appearance of an item. "Hey, I made a hamburger, it tastes great. Well thats it! I am never gonna attempt to make another one or improve upon it."

Hey, George Lucas, Star Wars was great but your not allowed to make another because it will fail.

Come on man, wait for the game. If it fails it fails. We all know it won't be as good as the first.

Did you intentionally not watch any sequal to any movie ever made. No, I don't think so.

I will be buying every one that comes out in every wierd variety.....why, because I know it was good. I am not taking a chance on garbage. I just can't wait until Mortal Combat comes out with the characters so I can put a Big Daddy teamed with Batman against Subzero teamed with wonder woman.

[Rokashi]

BioShock was awesome, and forever will be awesome. The devs are talented and they know what they are doing. 2K has no room for fail, especially with BioShock...BIOSHOCK!:D

[japester]

Hey, George Lucas, Star Wars was great but your not allowed to make another because it will fail.

Rats! Ya beat me to it! :cool:

Hey, Luke blew up the Death Star. Great ending. Everyone is happy. Why make Empire or RotJ?

Bilbo gets to keep the ring, defeats Smaug, returns home after his wonderful adventure, why write anything else in the Middle-Earth realm?

Complaining about continuing a successful first attempt is about the dumbest form of pessimism I've seen. So if something sucks--you stop. And if something is great--you stop. Nice. Now tell me how "life is pain" and we can all buy goth clothes at Hot Topic together. :rolleyes:

BioShock 2 isn't a guaranteed success. Nor is it a guaranteed failure. What it does have going for it is that it's based in a rich new universe with a deep and interesting premise. Games based on gimmicks get tired and milked dry very quickly. Games based on good stories can go on and on.

[Rapturian]

We all know it won't be as good as the first.

Are you serious? First you say that he should "wait for the game", then you say it won't be as good as the first before playing the game. Contradiction, eh? And I have hopes the sequel will be better, because as great as BioShock is, it has some issues, like the ending.

[Sblade]

Here we have a marketing analyzer. Maybe a 2k mole who knows how Bioshock 2 and who it will be in the final version.

Your reasons, being one the ending of Bioshock 1, hold no weight man.

Unless you post this for attention, I don´t see the point of this thread.

[The Deej]

this is sch a stupid post, you think because they're making a sequel, they only care about the money and won't care about what goes into the game? Seriosuly, if they never made a Bioshock again I would be devastated, why throw away something so great, I want to know more and play more.
Take Half life 1 for example, A REVOLUTIONARY game, could say it even beats bioshock 1 for its time anyway. Imagine if they had never made another half life, it would be just a distant memory and people would be saying I wish they made another one. I don't want that to happen to Bioshock, and it's thankfully not going to, wait til the game comes out, and thenI will listen to your opinion because as of now, none of us know anything:)

[bigsmoke]

Loool the game might be just for the money but it can be made good, so we should better just wait and see:)

[the Riveter]

BS1 will always be BS1. No sequel will change that! If BS2 fails, it's not like BS1 will go down with it.

C'mon, you gotta admit that city of Rapture is such an interesting place it deserves a second visit. I'll play the game before I claim "IT FAILED." Give it a chance!

[Sports Boost]

Hey Frank,
Grand Theft Auto is a prime example of sequels done right. Each one a self contained story which looks at the breakdown of the american dream from the eyes of one character. The Mob, Gang life in LA, The trouble invovling immigrents. Same devs, same basic playstyle, new stories.

And for the record Street fighter two is way better than Streetfighter One.
EMpire strikes back is better than star wars
God father 2
REsident Evil 2
REsident Evil 4
Amazing Sequels are rare but happen.

Did you know Frank that George Lucas wrote and directed Star Wars, but than for Empire Strikes back, he hired a screenwriter and a director.

New creative people in charge don't sink everyship.

Look at Alien and Aliens, totally different amazing movies, made by different people with the same source material.

SB

[Ghilliedraptor]

Making assumptions on what bioshock 2 will be like is silly.Bioshock 2 will cover a different side of rapture, one that was not touched by bioshock.I think it deserves a chance, shame you don't feel the same.I still respect your opinion though.

[rootbeertapper]

Just because BS2 will have multiplayer doesn't mean that 12 year old's with real world ego problems are going to be the only ones that play it.

The multiplayer aspect of BS2 looks promising because it will tell the story of the fall of Rapture. I doubt it will explain everything entirely but we will get a good idea of what happened to turn Rapture into a civil war. A game where the multiplayer tells a story as you battle eachother is a lost idea that few games fail to use to further market their franchises.

I personally don't see how Rapture can go into 6-7 games. NASA said humans would be living on the moon in 2010 back in 1967 and we are still waiting. They over hyped themselves up and I think 2K has done the same. The last thing I want the BS franchise to turn into is a FF franchise -_-

Based on what I have seen BS2 may surpass BS1. The team has fixed many flaws that BS1 had in terms of ambient environment interaction. They are trying to stem away from the linear corridor shooter that BS1 was supposed to do but didn't quite achieve. There may be a inventory system this time around. One complaint in BS1 was that you couldn't use plasmids and weapons at the same time, this matter was discussed and fixed in BS2.

The team listens to the community pretty closely and they are aware that BS2 has a big responsibility to deliver but I think it will pass with flying colors.

[BioShockWins]

Multiplayer shouldn't be taking anything away from the main game, seeing as a completley different developer is working on the online component.

[collective10]

Multiplayer shouldn't be taking anything away from the main game, seeing as a completley different developer is working on the online component.

That's one thing I'm happy 2K decided to go with, a separate developer for the multiplayer leaves all the immersion and well-written storyline for 2K to feast themselves on :)

[Hector_Spector]

Watch you fools buying Bioshock 2, then Bioshock 3, then a Bioshock RTS, then Bioshock 7: Big Sister vs. Big Daddy the Rematch....

A rather disparaging remark there, what gives you right to rain on everyone's parade just so you can feel a sense of superiority. The only "fool" here is you, the game isn't even out yet and your basing your rather hollow conviction on what exactly?

[Fief]

I highly doubt Bioshock 2 will fail. There where plenty of things left unanswered in the first on. And from the looks of things I think Bioshock 2 will be better than the first. Although ilm kinda iffy on the multi player option. Don't really know how that will turn out but regardless the single player campain will surely be great.

[Electric Flesh]

Great point. :D Have a virtual cookie.

[Drow]

There's no real reason for a seque!

And that's where you are wrong [or you simply don't know anything about Bioshock 2]:
Bioshock 2 is not a straight sequel, it's a different story, involving as for now, only two characters that are from the first one, and we only really know Tenenbaum, we know pretty much nothing on this generic Little Sister who - as it turns out - has some mental problems.

Bioshock 2's story is somewhat of a consequence of the first one's story, but it isn't straight sequel.

So I personally don't see a reason to fail anything.

[Atlas165]

Bioshock was one of the best games I've ever played. I have fond memories of playing it late at night during the warm summer nights. It's a game that inspired me, captivated me, and made me think and learn. But it's such a sad thing to see Bioshock turning into another cash cow. When I first heard of future Bioshock game, with a game coming out every other year, and a movie to boot I was excited! But why? Is it my love for anything Rapture? My love for the Big Daddies? Why?....

Bioshock 2 will fail. Not because I want it to fail....no, I want it to succeed. But it's failure is inevatable. Why you may be asking right now? Simple. There's no real reason for a seque! The game ended at a key note, you chose your ending and you were happy. There's was no big plot hole, or there was no WTF!??? end scene. So really Bioshock 2 is just another cash cow in the making. A prequel would've easily sufficed. But how else is the brillant 2K team going to extend this game to Bioshock 7? See that's another point with Bioshock 2, you know the game will just end in favor of continuing the story, with some cheesy ending. Not just once, but again, and again, and again, and so on...

Also why 2K did you ever have to go and make multiplayer for Bioshock 2!? Why suck up to those little 12 year old whiners? What made Bioshock stand out was that it was a single player adventure, it was like Ken Levine giving the middle finger to all fps developers saying "hey! look we don't need multiplayer to be succesfull..."

And for that I applauded to Levine, he did something different, something unique. It makes me wonder who approved a sequel to Bioshock more? Ken Levine, or those fat cats in the head 2K marketing office?

Bioshock was a game meant to be mystery. Didn't know it's past, and didn't know it's future. Just knew what is there at the moment. A new adventure is pointless because whatever they do, no matter how hard they try it'll never be like that first time entering the lighthouse with "somewhere beyond the sea" playing in the background. Never will I experience that again....

Watch you fools buying Bioshock 2, then Bioshock 3, then a Bioshock RTS, then Bioshock 7: Big Sister vs. Big Daddy the Rematch....

2K just another cash cow....:rolleyes:

i'm just discussing the multiplayer.
Call me one of those"12 year old whiners" or whatever you want, i thik it's a great idea! this will give people an incentive to buy the ame, because when you think about it, the only people that originally bought it where those who liked one player first person shooters. And while thats alot of people, i think the multiplayer will get others to buy it, maybe get bored one day and play the campaign, and realize how fun one can be!!!
And, i'm not gonna lie, i reall want to run into a cyclone trap!!!

[Zangdar]

I think that Bioshock 2 is not much a cash cow...because they always said that Bioshock 1 has lots of things undiscovered and I think that the creators were always fantazing over "being a Big Daddy" For my "point de vue" Bioshock 2 is more made for the creators than for everybody else

One more thing...I ...am dying wanting to see the movie...damn it...I want a plasmid that can accelerate time...Even if it has a money goal, I don't care, long life to...errrrrr....to the big daddy's :D

[Unbentbird]

Bioshock was one of the best games I've ever played. I have fond memories of playing it late at night during the warm summer nights. It's a game that inspired me, captivated me, and made me think and learn. But it's such a sad thing to see Bioshock turning into another cash cow. When I first heard of future Bioshock game, with a game coming out every other year, and a movie to boot I was excited! But why? Is it my love for anything Rapture? My love for the Big Daddies? Why?....

Bioshock 2 will fail. Not because I want it to fail....no, I want it to succeed. But it's failure is inevatable. Why you may be asking right now? Simple. There's no real reason for a seque! The game ended at a key note, you chose your ending and you were happy. There's was no big plot hole, or there was no WTF!??? end scene. So really Bioshock 2 is just another cash cow in the making. A prequel would've easily sufficed. But how else is the brillant 2K team going to extend this game to Bioshock 7? See that's another point with Bioshock 2, you know the game will just end in favor of continuing the story, with some cheesy ending. Not just once, but again, and again, and again, and so on...

Also why 2K did you ever have to go and make multiplayer for Bioshock 2!? Why suck up to those little 12 year old whiners? What made Bioshock stand out was that it was a single player adventure, it was like Ken Levine giving the middle finger to all fps developers saying "hey! look we don't need multiplayer to be succesfull..."

And for that I applauded to Levine, he did something different, something unique. It makes me wonder who approved a sequel to Bioshock more? Ken Levine, or those fat cats in the head 2K marketing office?

Bioshock was a game meant to be mystery. Didn't know it's past, and didn't know it's future. Just knew what is there at the moment. A new adventure is pointless because whatever they do, no matter how hard they try it'll never be like that first time entering the lighthouse with "somewhere beyond the sea" playing in the background. Never will I experience that again....

Watch you fools buying Bioshock 2, then Bioshock 3, then a Bioshock RTS, then Bioshock 7: Big Sister vs. Big Daddy the Rematch....

2K just another cash cow....:rolleyes:



First of all bioshock 1 had its question.Bioshock 1 was just a journey to discover rapture.Now the fun begins when you kill frank fontain at the ending it let so many questions that the second we finished the game we knew there was bioshock 2 and if you want it to be more mystry then stick with bioshock 1.I have a question for you have you ever heard of halo 15 gears of war 7 have you ever heard of gta 10? games dont go that long they might go till bioshock 3 but after that they will start a new game or the same bioshock but diffrent story like jack is back in the surface or somethings thats a prediction.So you can stick with bioshock 1 and don't discover the truth!

[ATLAS IS WATCHING]

didnt frank fountaine made a thread like this already? i remember it was closed. i think the answer to this thread is "lets play the game first.." then close it. we already had a thread like this and it failed. very ironic

[Blood]

2k made bioshock, yes to make some money but they also made it as lots of people where begging for a sequel. Bioshock 2 seems to have some very interesting and new ideas which could both make or break it, but iv got a feeling this could be just as good or even better than the original. I would gladly see a new bioshock game be created as bioshock and the story behind it is amazing and the way in which they portray rapture. Its good to see that their also putting a bit more effort into multiplayer and i hope it becomes really popular and may become a competitor amongst the other popular multiplayers (win win for bioshock). But i just think its stupid already saying bioshock will fail, if u think its gonna fail don't buy/play it and we'll experience how awesome its gonna be. Btw lol at the vote i see 1 vote saying its gonna fail is that u? :P

[BioShockWins]

The Original Poster didn't vote.

You can see who voted by clicking on the numbers of voters.

[thesuperjman]

You sir, are quite the sleuth^^^^^^^

Well, personally I think the game can still be good. The sequel doesnt have to be tied directly to the prequel. Sure, these things took place after the events of Bioshock 1, but this could be a nearly irrelevant soryline to the events of the first bioshock.

[LookBehindU]

The Original Poster didn't vote.

You can see who voted by clicking on the numbers of voters.

EF... voted ....twice?

[ADAMJUNKIE]

If yu look closely it says multiple choice poll right under the bar graph

[LookBehindU]

If yu look closely it says multiple choice poll right under the bar graph

OOOOOhhh I didn't see that. Thanks for pointing it out:o

[ADAMJUNKIE]

You are very welcome!

Anyway this frank fountaine guy just registered so he cud post this crappy thread and complain a in a few posts! I bet we'll never hear from him again.

[Adam Addict]

2 thumbs way down for "Dacey49"

[Judgeofwings]

2 thumbs way down for "Dacey49"

Were not here to point fingers at those who don't agree with our opinion.;)

[brendensavi]

Adam Addict was just stating his opinion on someone who had a different opinion than a large majority of us :p

I don't think it will fail, it looks amazing so far, and it has a really top notch and dedicated team working on making Bio2 just as beautiful, breathtaking, shocking, and enthralling as the first, if not more-so. The worst possibility is that it won't be as good as the first, which is impossible to tell at the moment since we hardly know anything about it.

[Adam Addict]

Were not here to point fingers at those who don't agree with our opinion.;)

speak for yourself...:p

[Judgeofwings]

speak for yourself...:p

Ha ha boy is this place fun or what?:D
you got me there.:p

[RightUnderUrNose]

hater. your just a big ol' hater. Whats a hater like you doing on a bioshock forum? Just come here to spout ur hate words?:confused:

[japester]

It looks like Frank got plenty of attention with his little outburst, but he's not interested in replying. Since nothing good is coming of this thread, we'll close it.