The Melee Weapon

[sac_boi]

We all know and love the iconic wrench from Bioshock.


Bioshock 2's drill: uh . . . iconic yes, but I don't think quite as loved as the wrench.


What should be the next loved and iconic melee weapon of Bioshock: Infinite?

[SHODANFreeman]

I vote wrench. It's a tradition.

[iglegacy_skizzo321]

Well, the wrench was used in both System Shock 2 and Bioshock, but the lead pipe from the first System Shock didn't get a repeat performance. So I might say lead pipe...


...However Booker is coming to Columbia not on accident, but with a purpose to rescue Elizabeth, who we know was kidnapped. So Booker should be carrying something a bit more purposeful going into a possible violent situation than picking up a spur-of-the-moment melee weapon.


So something a bit turn of the century, a truncheon perhaps. But I would want something either concealable or non-threatening in broad sight...a cane/umbrella/walking stick.


Why one of these? Well it just so happens that a book called "The Cane as a Weapon" was published in America and in the same year as when the game is supposed to take place. Here's a pdf of the book:


http://ad1542.tripod.com/cunningham.pdf ('http://ad1542.tripod.com/cunningham.pdf')

[Rybow73]

A wrench for sure.

[SPINEBLOOD]

did wrenches exsist in the 1912s

[iglegacy_fusion]

I vote a dagger

[Rybow73]

spineblood said:

did wrenches exsist in the 1912s

Yes.

[Invader]

I'd say go up there with a knife or something, but be able to swap it out for something either stabbier (machete) or bluntier (bat).

[benjaminshepherdpagan]

Unless the player starts in a room where a wrench is in a reasonable usable room then yes I vote wrench.


By the way I was thinking they could do some sorta hand to hand combat.

[Rybow73]

benjaminshepherdpagan said:

Unless the player starts in a room where a wrench is in a reasonable usable room then yes I vote wrench.

By the way I was thinking they could do some sorta hand to hand combat.

Kind of like Bond slaps in Goldeneye.

[benjaminshepherdpagan]

rybow73 said:



benjaminshepherdpagan said:

Unless the player starts in a room where a wrench is in a reasonable usable room then yes I vote wrench.

By the way I was thinking they could do some sorta hand to hand combat.



Kind of like Bond slaps in Goldeneye.



Something like that, yes LOL

[Systemaddict]

ball peen hammer?


Or Monkey Wrench.


Heh

[iglegacy_fusion]

Switchblade! It's something that fits in the with the whole reliable detective feel - who has a tool for every situtation

[Rybow73]

Isn't he a detective? Did they have night sticks?

[sac_boi]

rybow73 said:

Isn't he a detective? Did they have night sticks?



That would be more of like a cop.

That's why I think he would have more of a spur-of-the-moment weapon. Detectives wouldn't be quite as obvious as police officers.


How 'bout a folding chair?

[Rybow73]

sacboi said:



rybow73 said:

Isn't he a detective? Did they have night sticks?



That would be more of like a cop.

That's why I think he would have more of a spur-of-the-moment weapon. Detectives wouldn't be quite as obvious as police officers.

How 'bout a folding chair?



Haha, that has to be it. Every great detective has a folding chair at his disposal.

[iglegacy_skizzo321]

A cane would be a great object to swing at somebody, or jab them out a window....

[Rybow73]

skizzo321 said:

A cane would be a great object to swing at somebody, or jab them out a window....

Or if it was a hooked cane, it could be good for grabbing enemies for a closer melee kill.

[sh0dan]

Rifle butt or pistol whip would work for me, though a nightstick sounds fitting with the time period.


How about a Sabre?


The Cavalry still used them up until 1918. i'm thinking Booker could take one from an officer of some kind, one who carries a ceremonial sabre as part of his uniform.


Also that kinda makes me curious if there will be any military force (maybe navy?) on Columbia.

[Rybow73]

sh0dan said:

Rifle butt or pistol whip would work for me, though a nightstick sounds fitting with the time period.

How about a Sabre?

The Cavalry still used them up until 1918. i'm thinking Booker could take one from an officer of some kind, one who carries a ceremonial sabre as part of his uniform.

Also that kinda makes me curious if there will be any military force (maybe navy?) on Columbia.

That's an interesting topic. I'm guessing the Big Daddy-like characters are kind of the "police" and "force" that they'll be using, but if they're used for something else...I too am curious of what they would use up there.

[v3nd3tta]

a bowie knife, like in the Wild West.

[Jub8Jub]

I think it should be a blunt object that wasn't made for killing people. It's always fun running around with a wrench killing people.

[Rybow73]

jub8jub said:

I think it should be a blunt object that wasn't made for killing people. It's always fun running around with a wrench killing people.

Perhaps an umbrella?

[sac_boi]

A rose.

[iglegacy_buddygz]

how about a blunt thorny stick, because that just sounds irritating.

[Rybow73]

jub8jub said:



rybow73 said:Perhaps an umbrella?



Your reading my mind. I thought about that but it seems to silly running around with a umbrella. I can be like Mary Poppins and fly from one part of the city to another detective style. :cool:

Haha, that's actually what I was thinking. As weird as running around with an umbrella would look, it would still be awesome to float down to lower ledges with it, haha.

[Jub8Jub]

rybow73 said:Perhaps an umbrella?



Your reading my mind. I thought about that but it seems to silly running around with a umbrella. I can be like Mary Poppins and fly from one part of the city to another detective style. :cool:

[X1 BLACKOUT 1X]

I'd prefer them allowing us to melee with everything. It makes combat smoother


Oh wait! I got it! A crowbar! Nobody else has done that before right?!

[sac_boi]

rybow73 said:


Haha, that's actually what I was thinking. As weird as running around with an umbrella would look, it would still be awesome to float down to lower ledges with it, haha.



That would be sick! :D

[Jub8Jub]

x1blackout1x said:I'd prefer them allowing us to melee with everything. It makes combat smoother

Oh wait! I got it! A crowbar! Nobody else has done that before right?!


I like the melee with everything but it should be a l4d2 style. Were Meleeing with your gun just shoves them back. While the melee weapon does more damage.


A crowbar brilliant, now If only a game will come out where you can use one. Better yet how about an episode three for it.

[sac_boi]

jub8jub said:



x1blackout1x said:I'd prefer them allowing us to melee with everything. It makes combat smoother

Oh wait! I got it! A crowbar! Nobody else has done that before right?!


I like the melee with everything but it should be a l4d2 style. Were Meleeing with your gun just shoves them back. While the melee weapon does more damage.

A crowbar brilliant, now If only a game will come out where you can use one. Better yet how about an episode three for it.



Left 4 Dead 2 lets you use a crow bar.

[Rybow73]

The bad guys on Home Alone used crowbars.

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sacboi said:



jub8jub said:



x1blackout1x said:I'd prefer them allowing us to melee with everything. It makes combat smoother

Oh wait! I got it! A crowbar! Nobody else has done that before right?!


I like the melee with everything but it should be a l4d2 style. Were Meleeing with your gun just shoves them back. While the melee weapon does more damage.

A crowbar brilliant, now If only a game will come out where you can use one. Better yet how about an episode three for it.



Left 4 Dead 2 lets you use a crow bar.



Haha that wasn't the game I was referencing. I still have yet to buy that and I'm still obsessed with zombies

[sac_boi]

It's pretty bad ass. :D

[Jub8Jub]

sacboi said:Left 4 Dead 2 lets you use a crow bar.


Well valve made that too, but I was talking about Half-Life. I'm sure you know and was just messing with me.

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jub8jub said:



sacboi said:Left 4 Dead 2 lets you use a crow bar.


Well valve made that too, but I was talking about Half-Life. I'm sure you know and was just messing with me.



Haha wow I can't believe I forgot that Valve made L4D2


Can't WAIT until Portal 2

[Rybow73]

x1blackout1x said:



jub8jub said:



sacboi said:Left 4 Dead 2 lets you use a crow bar.


Well valve made that too, but I was talking about Half-Life. I'm sure you know and was just messing with me.



Haha wow I can't believe I forgot that Valve made L4D2

Can't WAIT until Portal 2

Same here!

[sac_boi]

x1blackout1x said:


Can't WAIT until Portal 2



YEAH!!!

When does that come out again?

[X1 BLACKOUT 1X]

sacboi said:



x1blackout1x said:

Can't WAIT until Portal 2



YEAH!!!

When does that come out again?



Oh ☺☺☺☺ Gameinformer says it'll release February 9. I don't even have it preordered yet!


Say, isn't that the day that Bioshock 2 came out?

[sac_boi]

x1blackout1x said:


Say, isn't that the day that Bioshock 2 came out?



Hey, I think it is!

Jeez, why do so many great game have to come out in the same quarter of the year? :(

I'm probably gonna be playing KZ3 at around that time.

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sacboi said:



x1blackout1x said:

Say, isn't that the day that Bioshock 2 came out?



Hey, I think it is!

Jeez, why do so many great game have to come out in the same quarter of the year? :(

I'm probably gonna be playing KZ3 at around that time.



Seriously, they'd sell better if they'd space them out or released them in dry seasons. That's the reason Halo 3: ODST did as well as it did

[sac_boi]

Yeah, I was really disappointed when Brink was postponed.

Good thing I just bought the protector trials . . .

Just 3239 minutes to go!

[Jub8Jub]

You're getting a little off topic. Send some messages to each other or start your own thread.

Also I was hoping for brink as well. Looks pretty good.

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jub8jub said:

You're getting a little off topic. Send some messages to each other or start your own thread.

Also I was hoping for brink as well. Looks pretty good.



Haha back seat moderator! What was this thread even about in the first place? I already forgot and I'm too busy lurking at the 2K forums to check haha


Oh yeah, we were talking about melee weapons haha wow did we get OT

[Rybow73]

Maybe a rope could be used. Lasso action!

[Jub8Jub]

rybow73 said:Maybe a rope could be used. Lasso action!


I choose you lasso. *thinks of all the stuff done with the lasso in RDR :D

Or you can make a monkey fist and hit people with it.

[Rybow73]

jub8jub said:



rybow73 said:Maybe a rope could be used. Lasso action!


I choose you lasso. *thinks of all the stuff done with the lasso in RDR :D

Or you can make a monkey fist and hit people with it.

I only know what a monkey fist is because of a Spongebob episode. When in doubt, turn to Spongebob, haha.

[X1 BLACKOUT 1X]

jub8jub said:



rybow73 said:Maybe a rope could be used. Lasso action!


I choose you lasso. *thinks of all the stuff done with the lasso in RDR :D

Or you can make a monkey fist and hit people with it.



Or I could have an actual monkey. I want one like Jack from Pirates :)


And un-☺☺☺☺ing-dead monkey. Hell yesh

[Jub8Jub]

rybow73 said:I only know what a monkey fist is because of a Spongebob episode. When in doubt, turn to Spongebob, haha.



Well just to let you know I dont think there is a knot to make an actual monkey. ;)



x1blackout1x said:Or I could have an actual monkey. I want one like Jack from Pirates :)

And un-☺☺☺☺ing-dead monkey. Hell yesh



best idea ever, an animal for a melee weapon. You can also throw it too.

[Rybow73]

I'm still leaning towards an umbrella. Whenever I think of the early 1900's, I always picture people using umbrellas.

[sac_boi]

rybow73 said:

I'm still leaning towards an umbrella. Whenever I think of the early 1900's, I always picture people using umbrellas.



I think I'm wanting this too.

Also, if I were an enemy, I'd be pretty embarrassed to be getting the hell beaten out of me by an umbrella. :p

[sh0dan]

Maybe they will go the other way with melee this time. Maybe it will be a power?


Stone fist or flaming palm or something like that.

[sac_boi]

sh0dan said:

Maybe they will go the other way with melee this time. Maybe it will be a power?

Stone fist or flaming palm or something like that.



That's a cool idea.


Now I'm hoping for either the umbrella or some sorta stone fist. :)

[Trie215]

Honestly I'd rather it go the way of Bioshock 2, and just use whatever weapon you are holding as a melee.


And to be even MORE honest, I did not care for the wrench in Bioshock 1. Not the most intuitive melee configuration. But if I had to vote for 1 melee weapon, I'd have to go with baseball bat with jutting nails.

[Muskel]

BAYONETTE!

[benporter]

What's wrong with a good, old-fashioned pistol whipping?

[Trie215]

sacboi said:

some sorta stone fist. :)



Holy heck. This would be a great power, and also one that is more passive as discussed in the powers thread. Imagine how sweet this would be with destructible (or semi destructible) environments! If it were up to us, the baddies in this game are in serious trouble.

[Trie215]

Or maybe just brass knuckles?


Damage Increase Upgrade: Sharpened diamond studs are affixed to the rings, rips through any lesser stone or metal.


Prolonged Damage Upgrade: Poisonous venom infused in diamond studs are injected into enemies when hit, causing a slow but constant drain on health.


Final Upgrade: Conductors at the base of the knuckles allow you to charge your punch with any elemental power you have equipped.

[Rybow73]

Yeah, I guess I forgot about the weapons each having their own melee. It fits more with what games are doing nowadays anyway.

[sac_boi]

drhhholmes said:

Or maybe just brass knuckles?

Damage Increase Upgrade: Sharpened diamond studs are affixed to the rings, rips through any lesser stone or metal.

Prolonged Damage Upgrade: Poisonous venom infused in diamond studs are injected into enemies when hit, causing a slow but constant drain on health.

Final Upgrade: Conductors at the base of the knuckles allow you to charge your punch with any elemental power you have equipped.



That's very well-thought out! :D

[Rybow73]

sacboi said:



drhhholmes said:

Or maybe just brass knuckles?

Damage Increase Upgrade: Sharpened diamond studs are affixed to the rings, rips through any lesser stone or metal.

Prolonged Damage Upgrade: Poisonous venom infused in diamond studs are injected into enemies when hit, causing a slow but constant drain on health.

Final Upgrade: Conductors at the base of the knuckles allow you to charge your punch with any elemental power you have equipped.



That's very well-thought out! :D



And it sounds badass.


EDIT: I am now on my 200th post, haha.

[IGlegacy_Felonious]

The hook you use to get around columbia (the latest egmnow says you will have one) will probably double up as a melee weapon.

[AdjundantReflex]

I guess it depends on Booker's entrance - if his trip to Columbia goes as planned, a combat-oriented melee weapon (knife, cane, etc.) would make sense. HOWEVER, if his entrance to Columbia goes awry, well, then, he might have to make use of a more impromptu weapon.


Sacboi, just one question: Where will he fit the folding chair when his guns are out?

[Rybow73]

virgil said:

I guess it depends on Booker's entrance - if his trip to Columbia goes as planned, a combat-oriented melee weapon (knife, cane, etc.) would make sense. HOWEVER, if his entrance to Columbia goes awry, well, then, he might have to make use of a more impromptu weapon.

Just one question: Where will he fit the folding chair when his guns are out?

He will fashion a folding chair backpack that conveniently fits comfortably on his upper-back.

[AdjundantReflex]

And his guns will fold up and fit into that backpack as well! Also, the backpack must be invisible.

[Rybow73]

virgil said:

And his guns will fold up and fit into that backpack as well! Also, the backpack must be invisible.

Of course! How could it not be?

[redslothx]

The game looks too steampunk-ish for something so... rugged.


A cane would fit, but it would look too weak. A pipe fits well.

[Rybow73]

redslothx said:

The game looks too steampunk-ish for something so... rugged.

A cane would fit, but it would look too weak. A pipe fits well.

It could be one of those canes with a solid end...good for cracking skulls, but yeah, I see what you mean.

[Mr Poggle]

A cane / umbrella is what gentlemen in those days and Mary Poppins use to get around.

[sac_boi]

I still like the brass knuckles idea.

It's concealable and it shows that he came prepared.

[Ged42]

What about one of those walking canes with a fencing sword hidden inside it.


Stealthy and stylish

[Rybow73]

Or he could go Sweeney Todd style and give everyone a "close" shave with barber blades.


I still think a cane and/or an umbrella would fit the period nicely.

[NathWFC]

A big wet fish.

[sh0dan]

^ Ha, a big wet sword fish, (secret weapon) and an homage to rapture. :p j/k


I gotta say, a cane / umbrella doesn’t sound particularly fitting to Booker. He’s a an ex Pinkerton agent remember, which I don’t really picture as a upper class gentleman of the period. He sounds like a guy who gets things done, and not always in the most gentlemanly manor. He is probably someone who would be armed with a pistol from the beginning.


Of course as virgil mentioned it really depends on his entrance onto Columbia. But I think if there is a melee weapon, it will be acquired from the city.


Felonious mentioned the grapple hook thingy, I can definitely see that device as filling some dual purpose (last resort) sort of melee weapon.


But actually I think it would be cool to see many of the melee weapons mentioned in this thread. Rather than just one, why not have a choice about what type we want to take?


In fact why not have a choice about all the weapons we want to take?


It worked in BioShock having unlimited carrying capacity, but I actually prefared the inventory mechanic in System Shock 2, in which you had to make choices about what you take and what you don’t.

[adventecho]

one of those croquet mallets or Cricket bat :)

[pixelshock]

A fine old golf club :p, and besides golf is an ancient sport , also guessing from the the vegetation present in the real-time images one can assume that is was practised in Columbia


Haha just imagine the golf ball flying from part of the flying city to another and imagine how many golf balls are lost everyday!

[Rybow73]

pixelshock said:

A fine old golf club :p, and besides golf is an ancient sport , also guessing from the the vegetation present in the real-time images one can assume that is was practised in Columbia

Haha just imagine the golf ball flying from part of the flying city to another and imagine how many golf balls are lost everyday!

I feel bad for the poor civilians below...

[pixelshock]

rybow73 said:



pixelshock said:

A fine old golf club :p, and besides golf is an ancient sport , also guessing from the the vegetation present in the real-time images one can assume that is was practised in Columbia

Haha just imagine the golf ball flying from part of the flying city to another and imagine how many golf balls are lost everyday!



I feel bad for the poor civilians below...



There you have it! Weather manipulation with golf balls has just been confirmed for bioshock: infinite as a key feature of the game.

[Rybow73]

pixelshock said:



rybow73 said:



pixelshock said:

A fine old golf club :p, and besides golf is an ancient sport , also guessing from the the vegetation present in the real-time images one can assume that is was practised in Columbia

Haha just imagine the golf ball flying from part of the flying city to another and imagine how many golf balls are lost everyday!



I feel bad for the poor civilians below...



There you have it! Weather manipulation with golf balls has just been confirmed for bioshock: infinite as a key feature of the game.

You probably just convinced at least three people that golf balls will have a major part in Infinite...and now they are crying for joy.

[pixelshock]

rybow73 said:



pixelshock said:



rybow73 said:



pixelshock said:

A fine old golf club :p, and besides golf is an ancient sport , also guessing from the the vegetation present in the real-time images one can assume that is was practised in Columbia

Haha just imagine the golf ball flying from part of the flying city to another and imagine how many golf balls are lost everyday!



I feel bad for the poor civilians below...



There you have it! Weather manipulation with golf balls has just been confirmed for bioshock: infinite as a key feature of the game.



You probably just convinced at least three people that golf balls will have a major part in Infinite...and now they are crying for joy.



You never know especially when you looking at the bizarreness of a world like bioshock, one day you might very well be surprised when you find it embedded into the game. xD


Seriously though what's wrong with a golf club. I mean it's classy and it's a strong iconic reference to the first bioshock although maybe used indirectly . (besides what could be more fulfilling when you saw the damage it can do!?